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2014-02-02 08:08:46 PM  

pla: If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.


Or, you know, you could save the $50 a month and dig the impressive lack of lag, incredible bandwidth, and exquisite graphics of real life.
 
2014-02-02 08:10:58 PM  

pla: cman : Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers.

To whom, exactly?

Most Americans have zero, one, or two realistic choices for internet access (I'll exclude bad jokes like HughesNet and going back to dialup). Personally, I have exactly one choice for "broadband", and by that word I mean only one tiny notch above satellite internet.

If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.


Hey, at least you got it complementary. I have to pay a fee. :(
 
2014-02-02 08:12:55 PM  

cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.


It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.
 
2014-02-02 08:19:18 PM  

Kahabut: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.


ISPs have never allowed one to run some sort of web browser on their network.
 
2014-02-02 08:20:09 PM  

cman: Kahabut: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.

ISPs have never allowed one to run some sort of web server on their network.


lol, wow. Let me try that again. Fixt
 
2014-02-02 08:22:00 PM  
I remember having them for my cell phone. Krept dropping calls, though the building I was working in supposedly had a cell site in it. Went to the ATT store to complain, not resolved, told them I wanted out, the said there was a termination fee, I didn't complain just handed them my card and told them to do it. Horrible, seemingly uncaring staff, DIAF.
 
2014-02-02 08:23:32 PM  

cman: Kahabut: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.

ISPs have never allowed one to run some sort of web browser on their network.


They did before the ISPs decided to start charging more for node level access to the internet.  Don't worry, this all happened before you were born.
 
2014-02-02 08:30:58 PM  

Kahabut: cman: Kahabut: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.

ISPs have never allowed one to run some sort of web browser on their network.

They did before the ISPs decided to start charging more for node level access to the internet.  Don't worry, this all happened before you were born.


I was born in 1983.

ISPs in the sense that we know them didn't exist.
 
2014-02-02 08:42:44 PM  

cman: Kahabut: cman: Kahabut: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.

ISPs have never allowed one to run some sort of web browser on their network.

They did before the ISPs decided to start charging more for node level access to the internet.  Don't worry, this all happened before you were born.

I was born in 1983.

ISPs in the sense that we know them didn't exist.


Which is because the sense we know them now, is a service provider with limited access, and restricted functions.

The internet was built on the concept that each node (computer) would have equal access and could both serve and receive the same as any other node.  However, ISPs decided that they could make a lot more money by metering access and restricting what kind of access you got for your money.

Like I said, most of this happened before you were born.  Just because you aren't aware of just how far the ideal has fallen, doesn't make it not true.
 
2014-02-02 08:52:23 PM  
If anybody thinks that all this free e-mail, free research browsing, free videos, free VoIP video chat and free every other internet (which my spell check says should have a capital " I ") application was ever supposed to remain free and should be capable of supporting multi billion dollar global conglomerates on just ad revenue, it's nice that you believe in the benevolence of leviathanesque corporations, but the other shoe IS going to drop.
 
2014-02-02 09:07:20 PM  

Solutare: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

So how much are they paying you to spout this bullshiat, corporate bootlicker? Or are you doing it for free? That's sad.


Corporate bootlicker?

What are you, 12 years old? Be a man. "Corporate Ass-kisser" or "Corporate shiatlicker" works better.
 
2014-02-02 09:09:52 PM  
Soon as Google fiber gets here it's "screw you too" to cable, phone, satellite etc.
 
2014-02-02 09:15:18 PM  

Teresaol31: I swear to god they already are doing this and have been violating "Net Neutrality" in my area for at least two years.  I can sit around gaming, commenting on fark, facebooking, and doing research all day, and my DSL is running correctly.  Mind you this is DSL on AT&T in the middle of podunk Arkansas, where my only other internet options are:  56k dial up (yeah really) or highly unreliable satellite service that goes out every time it gets cloudy outside. Anyway, the second I start streaming, be it YouTube, Netflix, or Amazon Prime, and suddenly, my DSL is a shaky, slow POS.  It will literally slow down to the point that Netflix thinks it has dropped the server altogether.  So, I call and talk to "customer service" and get some moron in India that does not even know where podunk, Arkansas IS and he tries to make like this is a hardware problem on my end...until I tell him it happens on my PC, on my PS 3, on my Wii, and on my Tivo with equal reliability.  At which point, my phone call is conveniently "dropped" because, duh, Indian dude needs that job at the call center!


I had a similar issue but with Cocks Cable, turned out being an old cat5 cable in my spare bedroom sending feedback and causing issues.  It's very possible that you're having the same issue during the time that your cruising Fark, you just don't notice it because it does not require a persistent connection like streaming does.  You can try a persistent ping to someplace like google.com and watch to see if there is any interruption during normal use.  I think on windows it's something like 'ping -t www.google.com'.
 
2014-02-02 09:18:01 PM  

Enemabag Jones: cman
DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]
Will never happen.
The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.
Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

The next logical step would be consumers going secure VPN sites to encrypt. Then either service level (speed or measured data) would be adjusted according the plan, or providers would have to restrict vpn usage.


Of course VPN usage would be restricted.  You'd have to subscribe to the "business" service to use VPN.  Home users don't need that feature.  Duh.
 
2014-02-02 09:25:00 PM  

Cork on Fork: Seriously, you are living large with two options. I live in NYC and Time Warner is the only choice.


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And most of the city will never see FIOS.  Verizon has already stated that wiring up older apartment buildings is not worth it to them.
 
2014-02-02 09:26:51 PM  
AloysiusSnuffleupagus
Of course VPN usage would be restricted. You'd have to subscribe to the "business" service to use VPN. Home users don't need that feature. Duh.

It would be really interesting to see residential accounts access to secure vpn restricted. Because that would be a new layer of fun for people trying to vpn into work accounts from home.
 
2014-02-02 09:29:45 PM  
BBS's...we're showing our age! I remember letting that 2400 baud modem run its ass off all nite long just for a 1 meg file or so. Took up a buncha' space on my 20 meg HD. Good thing I had Double-disk installed.....Good times.....

/had to choose D/L's wisely
//after many PBR's, generally didn't..... :)
 
2014-02-02 09:31:00 PM  

Fissile: Cork on Fork: Seriously, you are living large with two options. I live in NYC and Time Warner is the only choice.

==============

And most of the city will never see FIOS.  Verizon has already stated that wiring up older apartment buildings is not worth it to them.


You'll miss out on all that goodness of being on an oversold node on the network where they "traffic shape" all moderate to heavy users so it's not easily obvious to everyone else that they oversold the hell out of the service with the peak hour speed issues.
 
2014-02-02 09:34:46 PM  

Teresaol31: I swear to god they already are doing this and have been violating "Net Neutrality" in my area for at least two years.  I can sit around gaming, commenting on fark, facebooking, and doing research all day, and my DSL is running correctly.  Mind you this is DSL on AT&T in the middle of podunk Arkansas, where my only other internet options are:  56k dial up (yeah really) or highly unreliable satellite service that goes out every time it gets cloudy outside. Anyway, the second I start streaming, be it YouTube, Netflix, or Amazon Prime, and suddenly, my DSL is a shaky, slow POS.  It will literally slow down to the point that Netflix thinks it has dropped the server altogether.  So, I call and talk to "customer service" and get some moron in India that does not even know where podunk, Arkansas IS and he tries to make like this is a hardware problem on my end...until I tell him it happens on my PC, on my PS 3, on my Wii, and on my Tivo with equal reliability.  At which point, my phone call is conveniently "dropped" because, duh, Indian dude needs that job at the call center!


I feel for ya, sis. Partially solved my problem by using my smartphone as a modem. If you have a solid phone signal you oughta be able to purchase PDAnet and use that phone signal as your internet connection. It is invisible to your phone service, you won't have to pay the $ per month Big Red wants to charge for THEIR plan.
Speeds are good- I can watch a movie with few if any hiccups.

/podunk Florida
//used to live in podunk Arkansas
 
2014-02-02 09:36:36 PM  

Enemabag Jones: AloysiusSnuffleupagus
Of course VPN usage would be restricted. You'd have to subscribe to the "business" service to use VPN. Home users don't need that feature. Duh.

It would be really interesting to see residential accounts access to secure vpn restricted. Because that would be a new layer of fun for people trying to vpn into work accounts from home.


You act like you are utterly unaware that there is a fairly solid history of these kinds of things.  You can't run a webserver from your house, you used to be able to.  You can't run a mail server, you used to be able to.  You can't run an FTP server... etc etc etc.  Slow boil.

VPN restrictions already exist on some carriers.  I had to call the tech line and get a exception registered for my mom's house on her DSL to be able to VPN to her office (INTEL for crying out loud).

I've personally had various services either cancel my service, or threaten to over the years over a number of issues.  From running a private FTP to having bit torrent to having (actual quote) "a lot of encrypted traffic".  (comcast actually canceled me for that)  And again a year later for "exceeding your bandwidth limits" on my unlimited access plan.  Apparently if you transfer 200gigs a month, they get pissy.  To be fair, I saw that one coming.
 
2014-02-02 09:37:49 PM  
Why does greed go so unchecked in this country?
 
2014-02-02 09:40:11 PM  

soundguy: Start home-based business

Sign up for business internet plan

Do anything you want - no port blocking, no DNS redirecting, no bandwidth limits, run servers 24/7

Write off cost of business internet as business expense

3) - profit

Point and laugh at the poors and the stupids


Get sued. Spend $15,000 to start defense...
 
2014-02-02 09:42:40 PM  

Cpl.D: Fissile: Cork on Fork: Seriously, you are living large with two options. I live in NYC and Time Warner is the only choice.

==============

And most of the city will never see FIOS.  Verizon has already stated that wiring up older apartment buildings is not worth it to them.

You'll miss out on all that goodness of being on an oversold node on the network where they "traffic shape" all moderate to heavy users so it's not easily obvious to everyone else that they oversold the hell out of the service with the peak hour speed issues.


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I've got a Verizon POTS line with DSL, I think I've got the last such set up in this hood....everyone else having gone FIOS or cable.   Verizon had been on my ass for over a year, trying everything to get me to switch to FIOS, including lies and threats.  I called the state board of public utilities and filed a complaint.  They've left me alone since, but I know my time is numbered.  Fact is the POTS lines will stay active only as long as they don't need any repair.  Once it dies, they will refuse to repair the line and that's It.
 
2014-02-02 09:44:59 PM  
Kahabut ,
You act like you are utterly unaware that there is a fairly solid history of these kinds of things. You can't run a webserver from your house, you used to be able to. You can't run a mail server, you used to be able to. You can't run an FTP server... etc etc etc. Slow boil.
VPN restrictions already exist on some carriers. I had to call the tech line and get a exception registered for my mom's house on her DSL to be able to VPN to her office (INTEL for crying out loud).
I've personally had various services either cancel my service, or threaten to over the years over a number of issues. From running a private FTP to having bit torrent to having (actual quote) "a lot of encrypted traffic". (comcast actually canceled me for that) And again a year later for "exceeding your bandwidth limits" on my unlimited access plan. Apparently if you transfer 200gigs a month, they get pissy. To be fair, I saw that one coming.


I am hardly a n00b to vpn issues. NAT issues at some hotels, ect. I have heard of other restrictions but have never heard of having to tell people to contact their service provider to enable secure vpn networks. That one is completely new for me.
 
2014-02-02 09:46:48 PM  

DubtodaIll: Why does greed go so unchecked in this country?


Freedom.
 
2014-02-02 09:47:42 PM  

pla: cman : Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers.

To whom, exactly?

Most Americans have zero, one, or two realistic choices for internet access (I'll exclude bad jokes like HughesNet and going back to dialup). Personally, I have exactly one choice for "broadband", and by that word I mean only one tiny notch above satellite internet.

If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.


My options are:
Verizon Fios
AT&T DSL
Comcast Cable

Had AT&T in the past, not a fan.

Fios was nice, but was too expensive.

Comcast has been both reliable and costs about 1/2 what I was paying for Fios. It's not as fast, but the trade off has been worth it for the last year.
 
2014-02-02 09:48:14 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: DubtodaIll: Why does greed go so unchecked in this country?

Freedom.


+1
 
2014-02-02 09:51:37 PM  

T-Servo: profplump: cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks.

When's the last time someone ran a new wire to your house? On the backend this is easy to route around (and big exchanges aren't interested in such a thing in the first place), but over the last mile there is no competition, and no other choice if you're unhappy with your provider.

Yeah, look at Canada as an example. We went with a smaller company that didn't have data caps (all the majors do), but had to pay royalties for using Bell Canada's wires. It was all damned expensive.


When the UK opened up the market for phone service, before the internet took off, it made it law that the phone company that owned the network must allow any company access to the network on equal terms, and that carried over to the internet. I could start an ISP tomorrow from my bedroom and serve the entire country and be competitive on price. Result is I have literally two hundred ISP to choose from, all offering different deals, prices, speeds etc. The network has been upgraded to FTTC and FTTP is on the way.
 
2014-02-02 09:53:39 PM  
For me it's DSL from the phone company or nothing.  Cable tv doesn't reach this area.
 
2014-02-02 09:55:36 PM  

Cpl.D: Fissile: Cork on Fork: Seriously, you are living large with two options. I live in NYC and Time Warner is the only choice.

==============

And most of the city will never see FIOS.  Verizon has already stated that wiring up older apartment buildings is not worth it to them.

You'll miss out on all that goodness of being on an oversold node on the network where they "traffic shape" all moderate to heavy users so it's not easily obvious to everyone else that they oversold the hell out of the service with the peak hour speed issues.




Even if FIOS isn't perfect, if it was an option at least I would have some sort of leverage against TWC. My service sucks and they keep raising prices because, well, F me, that's why. What else am I going to do?
 
2014-02-02 09:58:07 PM  

DubtodaIll: Why does greed go so unchecked in this country?


Because it was touted as a nostrum for an ailing economy in 1980 after a lot of meetings between a lot of greedy old men who decided they needed better PR.  It has been sold as a bolt hole, not a failing and as an admirable trait and not a despicable sin in a nation that runs on money and little else.


Because it moves money upchain,  and that's been the only interest of those with enough money to influence the movement of money for a long time.  A handful or billionaires became Skynet style self aware and noticed the 50 mile wide ass print they had on the economy at large, and so they formed a club.


Because somebody told us it was good, and that it was a virtue because it made wealthy people wealthier and gave us somebody to rot for while we sat in front of the 27" Sony watching reruns over a plate of mac and cheese.  Because we're gullible chicken sh*ts.  Because behind every billion dollars is a thug with a badge and we better not start any trouble.


Because the people who are served by picking our pockets clean and emptying the national safe into the trunk of the getaway car have very large ad budgets that let them say greed is normal.
 
2014-02-02 10:03:29 PM  
Nothing blows the 'corporations do things better than the government' than Internet Access.  All this talk of a 'bandwidth shortage' shows corporations simply cannot handle infrastructure to save their lives.
 
2014-02-02 10:06:06 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Nothing blows the 'corporations do things better than the government' than Internet Access.  All this talk of a 'bandwidth shortage' shows corporations simply cannot handle infrastructure to save their lives.


crabbygolightly.com
                            "Depends on how you mean "handle"
 
2014-02-02 10:06:44 PM  

Flint Ironstag: T-Servo: profplump: cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks.

When's the last time someone ran a new wire to your house? On the backend this is easy to route around (and big exchanges aren't interested in such a thing in the first place), but over the last mile there is no competition, and no other choice if you're unhappy with your provider.

Yeah, look at Canada as an example. We went with a smaller company that didn't have data caps (all the majors do), but had to pay royalties for using Bell Canada's wires. It was all damned expensive.

When the UK opened up the market for phone service, before the internet took off, it made it law that the phone company that owned the network must allow any company access to the network on equal terms, and that carried over to the internet. I could start an ISP tomorrow from my bedroom and serve the entire country and be competitive on price. Result is I have literally two hundred ISP to choose from, all offering different deals, prices, speeds etc. The network has been upgraded to FTTC and FTTP is on the way.


Yes, and mobile service in the UK costs a pittance compared to Canada. Bell Canada's level of evil makes AT&T look amateurish in comparison.

/hate Rogers, too
 
2014-02-02 10:07:45 PM  

profplump: cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks.

When's the last time someone ran a new wire to your house? On the backend this is easy to route around (and big exchanges aren't interested in such a thing in the first place), but over the last mile there is no competition, and no other choice if you're unhappy with your provider.


When you can't go over them, under them or around them.

www.privateinternetaccess.com

Go straight through them.

/they can't block what they can't see
 
2014-02-02 10:16:47 PM  
The problem with a "global" economy and "diversified interests" is that it wipes it's ass with every law, every SEC rule, and every sense of loyalty to king and country by simply allowing the handful of people who own all this sh*t to make a few phone calls before lunch and set the course for trillions of dollars and business policies for *everything*, and when called on it, they just say "Hey, I don't work there, I'm not a broker, I'm simply an investor looking out for my interests.  I broke no laws".  And if you think everybody with a server rack and a backbone connection aren't all having breakfast in the same bed, you're not paying attention.  When you own the building, the individual tenant's businesses are just board tokens.
 
2014-02-02 10:45:04 PM  
The phenomenon of "bandwidth abuse" results directly from vaguely describing parameters of a use contract, and intentionally falsely stating that a class of service is "unlimited", then accusing high-bandwidth users of "abuse". Stop lying about the parameters of your service, and the "abuse" bullshiat goes away. But that isn't what you are up to, is it?
 
2014-02-02 10:45:37 PM  
So would they slow down the whole internet except the channels you pay for or would they speed up the channels you pay for and keep the net the same speed?

If the first then I want cheaper net as it is slower, if the second I want faster net because I know you can do it.
 
2014-02-02 10:50:57 PM  
DubtodaIll: Why does greed go so unchecked in this country?

Because we do not burn these people at the stake, perhaps?
 
2014-02-02 10:53:25 PM  

cman: cman: Kahabut: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

It's pretty funny to hear this.  If you knew anything about the actual construction of the internet, you'd know that we already pretty much missed that bus.  The internet was BUILT with those concepts, but it hasn't been operated that way in a very long time.

As a for instance, try and run a server on your home internet connection and see how that goes for you.

ISPs have never allowed one to run some sort of web server on their network.

lol, wow. Let me try that again. Fixt


Fine. So far. For years I've run servers on every internet connection that I've had; cable, DSL, even 3g. FTP, SSH, WWW, email. Never any problems. They are all low traffic, and just for testing purposes, and remote backup for when I'm traveling. I've never had any kind of commercial account.

/also always known my days are numbered
 
2014-02-02 11:00:18 PM  
I'm gonna suggest RCN.  I work for 'em, full disclosure, but we still obey net neutrality.  Our UBRs are intentionally undersold, so peak hour issues are impossible.  And we don't traffic shape or cut bandwidth.  And we're anal about keeping up internet speeds.

I've said more than once, to a customer, "Run that sucker as hard as you can, all you can, all day and all night, and the only reaction over here might be a cursory examination to make sure you're getting all the bandwidth."

We're a small company though.
 
2014-02-02 11:18:13 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: soundguy: Start home-based business

Sign up for business internet plan

Do anything you want - no port blocking, no DNS redirecting, no bandwidth limits, run servers 24/7

Write off cost of business internet as business expense

3) - profit

Point and laugh at the poors and the stupids

Get sued. Spend $15,000 to start defense...


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Sued by whom? For what?
 
2014-02-02 11:24:21 PM  
hmmmm  what politician said that the internet made ruling much harder

choking it back would help to fix that

(paranoid)
 
2014-02-02 11:38:47 PM  

cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.


Most areas have only 2 options for high-speed internet access, some only have one. If both decide on restrictive pricing, then you're farked. I mean, I guess you could do dial-up.
 
2014-02-02 11:39:32 PM  

fusillade762: Bandwidth Abuse

Is that what they're calling it these days?


I always called it flogging the bishop, but there ya go.
 
2014-02-02 11:51:08 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Shostie: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

That will never happen because who the f*ck is going to pay $50/mo. for access to f*ckin' Digg?

Well... would you pay $5.00 a month, then?

Any paywall at all

causes traffic to plummet. You ever notice how nobody ever quotes an ESPN Insider article?
 
2014-02-02 11:51:45 PM  

LincolnLogolas: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

Most areas have only 2 options for high-speed internet access, some only have one. If both decide on restrictive pricing, then you're farked. I mean, I guess you could do dial-up.


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There's always the option to simply move to someplace that doesn't suck balls. I run an online business, so internet access is a primary concern for me. When I bought my current house, I limited my search to only those suburban Seattle areas that were served by FIOS. With each succeeding generation, fast, reliable internet access becomes more and more of a requirement for a "normal" life. Eventually, areas with limited options for shiatty, overpriced service will suffer lower property values as "connected" people refuse to move there. That's going to hit taxing authorities right in the wallet and ultimately, we might see some intelligent last-mile regulation being put on the table.
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hej
2014-02-02 11:52:10 PM  

cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.


Next you'll tell me there's no way cell carriers would start capping the data plans, for the same reason.
 
2014-02-03 12:00:42 AM  

fusillade762: Bandwidth Abuse

Is that what they're calling it these days?


I got a kick out of that too. "Abuse?" Really? F*ck you, AT&T. God forbid I use something I'm paying you for.

/Disclaimer: I do not pay AT&T for my Internet access.
 
2014-02-03 12:23:37 AM  
In the end its always the consumer that gets screwed. What really pisses me off, is they say thats how we want it. Like cable TV packages.
 
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