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2014-02-02 03:08:24 PM  
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2014-02-02 03:13:44 PM  
If by "begins" you mean "is a continuation of a patent they filed for 8 years ago, and which got patented."
 
2014-02-02 03:22:16 PM  

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]


Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.
 
2014-02-02 03:32:57 PM  

cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.


unless all the providers colude to maximize profits and stick it to the consumers .like they do with cable. it will probably happen.
 
2014-02-02 03:36:20 PM  

sithon: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

unless all the providers colude to maximize profits and stick it to the consumers .like they do with cable. it will probably happen.


Not saying its not possible, but Globalization has made that nearly impossible.

There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks. Any collusion to do something like that wont hold up under economic pressure
 
2014-02-02 03:41:05 PM  

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]


That will never happen because who the f*ck is going to pay $50/mo. for access to f*ckin' Digg?
 
2014-02-02 03:54:49 PM  

Shostie: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

That will never happen because who the f*ck is going to pay $50/mo. for access to f*ckin' Digg?


Well... would you pay $5.00 a month, then?
 
2014-02-02 04:01:25 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Shostie: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

That will never happen because who the f*ck is going to pay $50/mo. for access to f*ckin' Digg?

Well... would you pay $5.00 a month, then?


Nobody is dumb enough to pay $5 a month to a website. $4.16 a month however is quite the bargain
 
2014-02-02 04:50:21 PM  
i.walmart.com
 
2014-02-02 04:52:57 PM  

sithon: like they do with cable.


Then they can sit on their asses until whatever Netflix translation shows up and ruins them.


static2.wikia.nocookie.net

The internet...uh...finds a way.
 
2014-02-02 05:23:50 PM  
I'm sure this is not at all obvious.
 
2014-02-02 05:45:07 PM  
Bandwidth Abuse

Is that what they're calling it these days?
 
2014-02-02 05:47:52 PM  

sithon: unless all the providers colude to maximize profits and stick it to the consumers .like they do with cable. it will probably happen.


Or it might be an opportunity for Google to take over the Internet.
 
2014-02-02 06:34:42 PM  

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]


Wait, wait, wait. You mean I'll be able to not get Facebook AND pay less for it? Sign me up!
 
2014-02-02 06:47:53 PM  

cman: Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.


Yeah, if my internet provider pushes too hard, I'll just go to another one which doesn't exist.

My grievance will be filed in the same dumpster that my concerns on power rate increases go into.
 
2014-02-02 06:48:46 PM  
This is actually a...big deal.. and I say that with great reservation.  Hopefully the entire supreme court are not puppets... o gawd honey where is my passport?
 
2014-02-02 06:49:41 PM  

Shostie: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

That will never happen because who the f*ck is going to pay $50/mo. for access to f*ckin' Digg?


Broadband starts at $49.95 here...  ugh
 
2014-02-02 06:49:44 PM  
Maybe AT&T's patent on squashing Net Neutrality is a good thing, for everybody else.... Other ISPs will have to maintain neutrality or pay AT&T royalties.
 
2014-02-02 06:54:01 PM  
cman
DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]
Will never happen.
The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.
Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

The next logical step would be consumers going secure VPN sites to encrypt. Then either service level (speed or measured data) would be adjusted according the plan, or providers would have to restrict vpn usage.
 
2014-02-02 06:57:00 PM  
The phrase "I told you so" doesn't even begin to cover this madness.
 
2014-02-02 06:58:20 PM  
once upon a time children there used to be floppy disks, and net neutrality, freedom of information was still a dream,  but it was something else back in the day.

one day I will tell you of the myth when a pop, hot dog made of real meat, and a small bag of chips cost a n ickle.

"whats a nnickle?"
 
2014-02-02 06:58:35 PM  
I have to give it to AT&T, they could create added value to American shareholders.

May I suggest that the water company also charge according to the purpose of the water used.
For instance, washing your car, that would be at the lowest tier.  Bathing, that would be set at higher tier.  Water used for cooking and and drinking, that would be set at the highest tier.

Why are water companies not taking advantage of tiered price options.  They could make so much more money for their shareholders.
 
2014-02-02 07:00:52 PM  
I swear to god they already are doing this and have been violating "Net Neutrality" in my area for at least two years.  I can sit around gaming, commenting on fark, facebooking, and doing research all day, and my DSL is running correctly.  Mind you this is DSL on AT&T in the middle of podunk Arkansas, where my only other internet options are:  56k dial up (yeah really) or highly unreliable satellite service that goes out every time it gets cloudy outside. Anyway, the second I start streaming, be it YouTube, Netflix, or Amazon Prime, and suddenly, my DSL is a shaky, slow POS.  It will literally slow down to the point that Netflix thinks it has dropped the server altogether.  So, I call and talk to "customer service" and get some moron in India that does not even know where podunk, Arkansas IS and he tries to make like this is a hardware problem on my end...until I tell him it happens on my PC, on my PS 3, on my Wii, and on my Tivo with equal reliability.  At which point, my phone call is conveniently "dropped" because, duh, Indian dude needs that job at the call center!
 
2014-02-02 07:03:33 PM  
Start home-based business

Sign up for business internet plan

Do anything you want - no port blocking, no DNS redirecting, no bandwidth limits, run servers 24/7

Write off cost of business internet as business expense

3) - profit

Point and laugh at the poors and the stupids
 
2014-02-02 07:04:08 PM  

LesserEvil: Maybe AT&T's patent on squashing Net Neutrality is a good thing, for everybody else.... Other ISPs will have to maintain neutrality or pay AT&T royalties.


AT&T will just charge a small royalty so it's still profitable to the licenees, in order to make the practice widespread and reduce incentive to change providers.
 
2014-02-02 07:06:24 PM  
Hm.

ElLoco: Wait until the decision in favor of Verizon just recently regarding accessing premium and streaming content over broadband starts to filter down into the broadband payment plan options.

 
2014-02-02 07:07:01 PM  

cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks.


When's the last time someone ran a new wire to your house? On the backend this is easy to route around (and big exchanges aren't interested in such a thing in the first place), but over the last mile there is no competition, and no other choice if you're unhappy with your provider.
 
2014-02-02 07:08:59 PM  
I've been on AT&T as an ISP for the last half a year or so, and I can tell you it's been an absolute nightmare.  Their technology sucks, there are constant intermittent outages or random unexplained lag, and despite having called the technicians to come out and look at it at least 5 times, all they've ever done is replace the modem, as if it'll work this time even though it didn't work last time.

As soon as our commitment with AT&T is up we're getting the fark off AT&T.  Time Warner were assholes but at least their shiat worked.
 
2014-02-02 07:12:03 PM  

profplump: cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks.

When's the last time someone ran a new wire to your house? On the backend this is easy to route around (and big exchanges aren't interested in such a thing in the first place), but over the last mile there is no competition, and no other choice if you're unhappy with your provider.


Yeah, look at Canada as an example. We went with a smaller company that didn't have data caps (all the majors do), but had to pay royalties for using Bell Canada's wires. It was all damned expensive.
 
2014-02-02 07:13:28 PM  

cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks. Any collusion to do something like that wont hold up under economic pressure


If I want internet speed faster than DSL, I have exactly two choices: Cablevision or Verizon.

I consider myself lucky for actually having a choice, as some places in the US don't.
=Smidge=
/I do love my FiOS.
 
2014-02-02 07:14:06 PM  

soundguy: Start home-based business

Sign up for business internet plan

Do anything you want - no port blocking, no DNS redirecting, no bandwidth limits, run servers 24/7

Write off cost of business internet as business expense

3) - profit

Point and laugh at the poors and the stupids


My business requires access to esoteric servers. I'm already there.
 
2014-02-02 07:18:28 PM  
Seriously, you are living large with two options. I live in NYC and Time Warner is the only choice.
 
2014-02-02 07:18:56 PM  
AT&T sucks. I'm quitting them tomorrow after a really lousy 3/4 of a month with frequent drop-outs, slow-downs, and snotty reps on the phone.

Back to the cable company, for me.
 
2014-02-02 07:20:00 PM  
Boycott AT&T and Verizon.

It's easy if you try.  They're begging you to do it.  Their other subscribers are begging you to do it.
 
pla
2014-02-02 07:21:41 PM  
cman : Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers.

To whom, exactly?

Most Americans have zero, one, or two realistic choices for internet access (I'll exclude bad jokes like HughesNet and going back to dialup). Personally, I have exactly one choice for "broadband", and by that word I mean only one tiny notch above satellite internet.

If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.
 
2014-02-02 07:22:32 PM  

Smidge204: cman: There are too many companies in competition who have no problem investing in building their own computer networks. Any collusion to do something like that wont hold up under economic pressure

If I want internet speed faster than DSL, I have exactly two choices: Cablevision or Verizon.

I consider myself lucky for actually having a choice, as some places in the US don't.
=Smidge=
/I do love my FiOS.


Two choices aside from DSL is good. Most places have one choice, unless they spend a lot more and go with SkyWeb (satellite).
 
2014-02-02 07:26:18 PM  

pla: cman : Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers.

To whom, exactly?

Most Americans have zero, one, or two realistic choices for internet access (I'll exclude bad jokes like HughesNet and going back to dialup). Personally, I have exactly one choice for "broadband", and by that word I mean only one tiny notch above satellite internet.

If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.


Wait a second, you get lube?!
 
2014-02-02 07:26:27 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I have to give it to AT&T, they could create added value to American shareholders.

May I suggest that the water company also charge according to the purpose of the water used.
For instance, washing your car, that would be at the lowest tier.  Bathing, that would be set at higher tier.  Water used for cooking and and drinking, that would be set at the highest tier.

Why are water companies not taking advantage of tiered price options.  They could make so much more money for their shareholders.


Our water company takes the amount you use in the winter and sets a baseline. Higher use in the summer is charged at a higher rate (e.g. watering the garden).
 
2014-02-02 07:27:01 PM  
Douchebags.
 
2014-02-02 07:36:33 PM  

Teresaol31: I swear to god they already are doing this and have been violating "Net Neutrality" in my area for at least two years.  I can sit around gaming, commenting on fark, facebooking, and doing research all day, and my DSL is running correctly.  Mind you this is DSL on AT&T in the middle of podunk Arkansas, where my only other internet options are:  56k dial up (yeah really) or highly unreliable satellite service that goes out every time it gets cloudy outside. Anyway, the second I start streaming, be it YouTube, Netflix, or Amazon Prime, and suddenly, my DSL is a shaky, slow POS.  It will literally slow down to the point that Netflix thinks it has dropped the server altogether.  So, I call and talk to "customer service" and get some moron in India that does not even know where podunk, Arkansas IS and he tries to make like this is a hardware problem on my end...until I tell him it happens on my PC, on my PS 3, on my Wii, and on my Tivo with equal reliability.  At which point, my phone call is conveniently "dropped" because, duh, Indian dude needs that job at the call center!


I also live in Podunk Arkansas
Like have all the same issues you describe.
But my saving grace is excellent cell service and I use mifi with little difficulty.
 
2014-02-02 07:38:19 PM  
whimofsteel
Our water company takes the amount you use in the winter and sets a baseline. Higher use in the summer is charged at a higher rate (e.g. watering the garden).


You got me.
 
2014-02-02 07:39:45 PM  

pla: cman : Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers.

To whom, exactly?

Most Americans have zero, one, or two realistic choices for internet access (I'll exclude bad jokes like HughesNet and going back to dialup). Personally, I have exactly one choice for "broadband", and by that word I mean only one tiny notch above satellite internet.

If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.


Same here. Where I live it's Comcast or nothing.
 
2014-02-02 07:42:05 PM  
I laugh so hard at people who think everything is about to move to the cloud. Internet access in most of the country sucks. Just because the Bay Area has good service doesn't mean everyone else does.
 
2014-02-02 07:47:15 PM  

Teresaol31: I swear to god they already are doing this and have been violating "Net Neutrality" in my area for at least two years.  I can sit around gaming, commenting on fark, facebooking, and doing research all day, and my DSL is running correctly.  Mind you this is DSL on AT&T in the middle of podunk Arkansas, where my only other internet options are:  56k dial up (yeah really) or highly unreliable satellite service that goes out every time it gets cloudy outside. Anyway, the second I start streaming, be it YouTube, Netflix, or Amazon Prime, and suddenly, my DSL is a shaky, slow POS.  It will literally slow down to the point that Netflix thinks it has dropped the server altogether.  So, I call and talk to "customer service" and get some moron in India that does not even know where podunk, Arkansas IS and he tries to make like this is a hardware problem on my end...until I tell him it happens on my PC, on my PS 3, on my Wii, and on my Tivo with equal reliability.  At which point, my phone call is conveniently "dropped" because, duh, Indian dude needs that job at the call center!


There was talk of some ISPs forging Reset (RST) packets to streams they didn't approve of.

If you were into that sort of thing, you could install Wireshark, a packet sniffer program, to catch that sort of thing.  Often you can set your firewall to drop all inbound RST packets.   Its probably not something a novice wants to deal with.

To shield your whole house you'd need a router with a real rule based firewall, like an access point reflashed with something like DD-WRT
 
2014-02-02 07:51:09 PM  

sithon: cman: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

Will never happen.

The Internet is not going to devolve into BBS-like systems.

Its against its culture. The Internet is decentralized. Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers. They do push hard but they would never push that hard.

unless all the providers colude to maximize profits and stick it to the consumers .like they do with cable. it will probably happen.


 This is why I can't help but wonder if one of the companies is trying to patent it, wouldn't that prevent the other companies from following suit?  Meaning if AT&T were to actually utilize their patent, and threaten to sue anyone who infringed upon it, they'd lose their clients to their competitors?
 
2014-02-02 08:00:07 PM  
There are few companies I hate more than AT&T.

Most of my hate is professional. I have to deal with them as a vendor. But if they pull this on the internet, they make the top of my list.
 
2014-02-02 08:00:25 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I have to give it to AT&T, they could create added value to American shareholders.

May I suggest that the water company also charge according to the purpose of the water used.
For instance, washing your car, that would be at the lowest tier.  Bathing, that would be set at higher tier.  Water used for cooking and and drinking, that would be set at the highest tier.

Why are water companies not taking advantage of tiered price options.  They could make so much more money for their shareholders.


You can get tiered water, depending on your usage. Most of the time the water you pay for also includes a sewage fee, but if you also have a lawn/garden system and a pool that is not tied into the sewage system, you may not have to pay this fee on that.  It may also be cheaper to have a well drilled on your property for some of these usages.
 
2014-02-02 08:01:55 PM  

LesserEvil: Maybe AT&T's patent on squashing Net Neutrality is a good thing, for everybody else.... Other ISPs will have to maintain neutrality or pay AT&T royalties.


That's kinda what I'm optimistically thinking.
 
2014-02-02 08:02:12 PM  

Tellingthem: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Shostie: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 666x485]

That will never happen because who the f*ck is going to pay $50/mo. for access to f*ckin' Digg?

Well... would you pay $5.00 a month, then?

Nobody is dumb enough to pay $5 a month to a website. $4.16 a month however is quite the bargain


Excellent job.
 
2014-02-02 08:04:01 PM  

fusillade762: pla: cman : Anyone who tries to subvert this will lose all their customers.

To whom, exactly?

Most Americans have zero, one, or two realistic choices for internet access (I'll exclude bad jokes like HughesNet and going back to dialup). Personally, I have exactly one choice for "broadband", and by that word I mean only one tiny notch above satellite internet.

If my ISP decided to ban the entire world of Google (search, GMail, YouTube, etc), I couldn't do a damned thing about it except smile and apply the complimentary lube.

Same here. Where I live it's Comcast or nothing.


Here it's Charter or AT&T. There's a satellite company too, but it's useless for gaming or streaming.

Both AT&T and Charter have already been doing some of this, especially with filesharing programs. On Charter, I can stream multiple sources at once, but as soon as I activate any torrent-based filesharing program, my internet stops working and I have to reboot the modem. I can fix it with a proxy or VPN, but even then the connection is slowed by more than it should be.
 
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