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(Medium)   How did the bicycle cross the highway? On a Hovenring, of course. I didn't get it either, until I saw the pictures... what a feat of engineering   (medium.com) divider line 96
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2014-02-02 02:02:19 PM
Anything found on a site that has quotes about bikes replacing public transportation is not to be taken seriously.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-02 02:37:18 PM
a remarkable feat of engineering that allows for the unimpeded flow of cyclist traffic without inconveniencing cars and trucks in the least!

I thought that was the whole point of being a douchey biker.
 
2014-02-02 05:37:18 PM
the Hovenring (or "Ring of the Hovens")

Wow, thanks for explaining!
 
2014-02-02 05:50:44 PM
It would suck to be a skydiver, lose control of your chute, and end up coming down smack-dab in the middle of that thing!
 
2014-02-02 05:53:56 PM
So they allow scooters on those too?
 
2014-02-02 06:25:25 PM
That looks like fun. I would like to ride that.

In a similar vein, the California Cycleway existed over 100 years ago.

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2014-02-02 06:25:51 PM
Cycling is almost completely free.

For now.

Were bikes to seriously dent the number of cars on the road, you can bet that would change.

To whit: in Virginia, hybrid and electric vehicles have to pay an additional $68 annual registration fee.
 
2014-02-02 06:30:26 PM
Hasn't this thing been shown in about half a dozen threads already?
 
2014-02-02 06:31:41 PM
well, if it gets more people riding bicycles I'm all for it. It keeps them off of my roads, and they use less of my gasoline. Now if they could only figure out a way to keep slow drivers out of the left lane, we'd be set.
 
2014-02-02 06:31:51 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Cycling is almost completely free.

For now.

Were bikes to seriously dent the number of cars on the road, you can bet that would change.

To whit: in Virginia, hybrid and electric vehicles have to pay an additional $68 annual registration fee.


Is this why we can't have nice things like that?
 
2014-02-02 06:32:38 PM
I've been living in Portland, OR

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2014-02-02 06:32:43 PM
If they really wanted me to cycle to work, they'd install public showers around town first.
 
2014-02-02 06:35:45 PM

albuquerquehalsey: I've been living in Portland, OR

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That's an interesting way to deal with people smarter and more successful than you...   Oh CYCLISTS, never-mind, that's the right place for that opinion then.
 
2014-02-02 06:38:37 PM
You forgot to mention the cost. I am sure it was just an omission that would be part of any Portland hipster's view of the world.
 
2014-02-02 06:39:27 PM
Yawn.
 
2014-02-02 06:40:19 PM
Cycle rings to care about

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hoven, adj.: afflicted with bloat
 
2014-02-02 06:40:47 PM
"I would like to propose slow cycling. Commute by bike. At a stroke, you remove the need for and absurd cost of public transport. "

Are you going to pay me the difference between a train ride that takes 45min and a bike ride that takes 3 hours?  How about rain?  How about if I want to bring something with me?  No, well then shut the fark up.

These people are possibly the most self centered idiots I have EVER met.
 
2014-02-02 06:40:55 PM

Kahabut: albuquerquehalsey: I've been living in Portland, OR

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That's an interesting way to deal with people smarter


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/also, he won't have sex with you
//educated =/= smarter
 
2014-02-02 06:40:56 PM

volodya: You forgot to mention the cost. I am sure it was just an omission that would be part of any Portland hipster's view of the world.


Didn't you RTA? Cycling is nearly free.
 
2014-02-02 06:42:05 PM

volodya: You forgot to mention the cost. I am sure it was just an omission that would be part of any Portland hipster's view of the world.


In portland, I actually watched a cyclist tell people that roads would be made for free if everyone cycled, because of all the money everyone would save from not having car.  I didn't have the heart to tell him he was hopelessly stupid.
 
2014-02-02 06:42:52 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Kahabut: albuquerquehalsey: I've been living in Portland, OR

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That's an interesting way to deal with people smarter

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/also, he won't have sex with you
//educated =/= smarter


Yeah, that was meant to be snarky, and not quite so elitist.  :(  Definitely came out wrong.
 
2014-02-02 06:43:47 PM
ArcadianRefugee: To whit: in Virginia, hybrid and electric vehicles have to pay an additional $68 annual registration fee.

Because in some areas, road maintenance is paid via gas taxes. And while hybrids and electric vehicles do damage to the roads (they're cars after all), they don't pay in the same amount of gas tax that a gas vehicle of the similar weight would pay.

Roads, OTOH, don't give much of a crap about a bike and rider, from a wear and tear standpoint.

// I wonder though, if these same areas gouge big rigs, busses and SUVs for the damage they do to the road. Or is it expected that they use more gas, so pay more gas tax? What about those natural gas vehicles? Or are they paying gas tax too?

// In short, how do you pay for the maintenance of the roads without resorting to retarded shiat?
 
2014-02-02 06:46:24 PM
A feat of engineering?  FFS, it's an EL for BICYCLES.

go clean your room, AGAIN, subby.
 
2014-02-02 06:49:55 PM

flucto: Anything found on a site that has quotes about bikes replacing public transportation is not to be taken seriously.


Clearly, you have yet to travel on the 504 King car around 8:15 am. I cycle 12 months a year in Toronto and if I use public transport once a week (and there's a streetcar stop in front of my house), it's an unusual week.

Not owning a car has left a lot more money in my pocket for housing, leisure and a low heart rate and BP. We bought a house pretty far downtown to facilitate a carless life. And don't get me wrong. I like driving, but it's a big waste of time in the city centre.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-02 06:51:47 PM

Kahabut: "I would like to propose slow cycling. Commute by bike. At a stroke, you remove the need for and absurd cost of public transport. "

Are you going to pay me the difference between a train ride that takes 45min and a bike ride that takes 3 hours?  How about rain?  How about if I want to bring something with me?  No, well then shut the fark up.

These people are possibly the most self centered idiots I have EVER met.


Certainly the sort of hobbyists that think not only should every share their hobby, but it embiggens and ennobles us all. I mmean, fishermendodon't go on about how we all need to catch our own fish
 
2014-02-02 06:52:31 PM
Is there a chance the track couldl bend?
 
2014-02-02 06:54:46 PM
lordargent:
// I wonder though, if these same areas gouge big rigs, busses and SUVs for the damage they do to the road. Or is it expected that they use more gas, so pay more gas tax?

Every state has extra taxes and fees for larger vehicles like buses and tractor-trailers. The average state fee/tax (over and above fuel taxes) per semi is over $1600.

Overall, commercial trucks account for about 1/3 of all taxes and fees collected for highway and road use.
 
2014-02-02 06:58:50 PM

volodya: You forgot to mention the cost. I am sure it was just an omission that would be part of any Portland hipster's view of the world.


well, OBVIOUSLY the 1% should pay for it.
 
2014-02-02 07:00:57 PM
Making bikes and peds go up a bunch of ramps is a surprisingly cars-first approach for the Dutch. You'd think they'd know better than this.
 
2014-02-02 07:08:45 PM
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2014-02-02 07:09:53 PM
Nice idea but not very practical.  What city is going to pay all the money needed to build something like that?  Its not like pedestrians don't already have bike lanes and crosswalks.
 
2014-02-02 07:10:21 PM
Valiente:

I cycle 12 months a year in Toronto


And cyclists wonder why they get in accidents with cars.  Riding a bike, in city traffic, in a Canadian winter is guaranteed to get you nominated for a Darwin Award.
 
2014-02-02 07:13:10 PM
Nice, but how will the cyclists flout traffic laws in that situation?  The ones around here have a visceral need to run red lights, ignore stop signs and go the wrong way on one-way streets.
 
2014-02-02 07:24:29 PM

a_bilge_monkey: ArcadianRefugee: Cycling is almost completely free.

For now.

Were bikes to seriously dent the number of cars on the road, you can bet that would change.

To whit: in Virginia, hybrid and electric vehicles have to pay an additional $68 annual registration fee.

Is this why we can't have nice things like that?


If you lived in a place with these anti-commercial things in place you'd probably have to either subscribe or have higher taxes.

Businesses have learned to hate highways, what with people travelling miles and miles without seeing their storefronts, bypassing their small towns. They also hate well timed lights, they paid to be on road, they damn well want you to stop and pay attention to their signs, maybe come inside and spend money.

This essentially moves bicyclists into the same catagory, moving along without being tempted by the businesses.
 
2014-02-02 07:27:06 PM
Subby and modmins, that was pretty darn cool. I'd love to see things like that spring up.
 
2014-02-02 08:04:40 PM

Ima4nic8or: Its not like pedestrians don't already have bike lanes.


Right, and the trains have canals, and there are bus lanes for the dirigibles.

Wait, what?
 
2014-02-02 08:10:54 PM

lordargent: Roads, OTOH, don't give much of a crap about a bike and rider, from a wear and tear standpoint.


But how much wear and tear comes from usage, and how much from natural effects? If you live in a place where it drops below freezing, I suspect that  freezing does more damage than cars themselves.

lordargent: road maintenance is paid via gas taxes.


This is the real problem. I understand why it arose, and it definitely has its place, but the lions' share of road maintenance should be paid for out of the general fund. Even if I never drive a car, the road network is a positive externality that brings me benefits. Which, as a note- I almost never drive a car. I drove from Pittsburgh to Albany, NY and back this year, which was more driving in one weekend than I do in an entire year. I'm essentially a "free rider" in terms of roadways- I benefit from them without paying as much in taxes as other drivers do.
 
2014-02-02 08:13:33 PM

LordOfThePings: Cycle rings to care about



hoven, adj.: afflicted with bloat


Lest we forget the doughnut race riding kiddie bikes...
 
2014-02-02 08:19:29 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: If they really wanted me to cycle to work, they'd install public showers around town first.


That's a big part of my problem. I wear a suit to work and usually meet with CEO's, ambassadors, generals, etc.. I also sweat like a pig and it gets ridiculously hot and humid here in DC. I just can't show up to meet a client in a sopping wet suit, drenched head to toe in sweat. That isn't going to fly. But I'd really love it if I could bike to work. Save money, get excercise... what's not to like?
 
2014-02-02 08:24:31 PM
Perfect for a YSR.
 
2014-02-02 09:17:19 PM

mongbiohazard: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: If they really wanted me to cycle to work, they'd install public showers around town first.
That's a big part of my problem. I wear a suit to work and usually meet with CEO's, ambassadors, generals, etc.. I also sweat like a pig and it gets ridiculously hot and humid here in DC. I just can't show up to meet a client in a sopping wet suit, drenched head to toe in sweat. That isn't going to fly. But I'd really love it if I could bike to work. Save money, get excercise... what's not to like?


If you need to be pristine that is one thing, but most people just got to look nice. It can be done on the bike. I was struck by each time I was in Amsterdam. It was not rare to see people in business clothes biking around town. Either they have great deodorants or the are just that much more fit than I am. It could also be distance. They have dense cities. I am sure they don't have to travel 13 miles each way like I do. At any rate, they got lots of people dressed nice biking all the time. Even in light rain.
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2014-02-02 09:23:40 PM
Well, that looks dumb. You have to go up and down a big hill to get up and down it, expending extra energy. It has to be at least 20-30' high. If they had built tunnels under the road instead, then the amount a bicycle rider would have to go up and down would be much less, maybe 8-12'.
 
2014-02-02 09:26:05 PM

The_Philosopher_King: mongbiohazard: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: If they really wanted me to cycle to work, they'd install public showers around town first.
That's a big part of my problem. I wear a suit to work and usually meet with CEO's, ambassadors, generals, etc.. I also sweat like a pig and it gets ridiculously hot and humid here in DC. I just can't show up to meet a client in a sopping wet suit, drenched head to toe in sweat. That isn't going to fly. But I'd really love it if I could bike to work. Save money, get excercise... what's not to like?

If you need to be pristine that is one thing, but most people just got to look nice. It can be done on the bike. I was struck by each time I was in Amsterdam. It was not rare to see people in business clothes biking around town. Either they have great deodorants or the are just that much more fit than I am. It could also be distance. They have dense cities. I am sure they don't have to travel 13 miles each way like I do. At any rate, they got lots of people dressed nice biking all the time. Even in light rain.


The difference is that Amsterdam's summer highs are colder than DC's summer lows.

DC is more like Madrid.
 
2014-02-02 09:27:55 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: Well, that looks dumb. You have to go up and down a big hill to get up and down it, expending extra energy. It has to be at least 20-30' high. If they had built tunnels under the road instead, then the amount a bicycle rider would have to go up and down would be much less, maybe 8-12'.


Physics much?
 
2014-02-02 09:33:44 PM

vpb: I thought that was the whole point of being a douchey biker.


My cousin is a professional bike douche - he runs a Soros-funded bike advocacy group.

he doesn't quite get the idea that spending millions on transportation infrastructure that's going to be used by (at most) .1% of the population isn't good public policy.
 
2014-02-02 09:41:15 PM

a_bilge_monkey: ArcadianRefugee: Cycling is almost completely free.

For now.

Were bikes to seriously dent the number of cars on the road, you can bet that would change.

To whit: in Virginia, hybrid and electric vehicles have to pay an additional $68 annual registration fee.

Is this why we can't have nice things like that?


No, Virginia just likes to tax the shiat out of anything motor vehicle related.   An extra tax on Hybrids is just a way for the Republican mouthbreathers in Richmond to say 'Fark You' to the tree hugging hippies in NoVA.
 
2014-02-02 09:43:25 PM

This text is now purple: DC is more like Madrid.


DC was a malarial swamp before Le'Enfant drained it.

Now it's home to a different breed of blood-sucking parasites.
 
2014-02-02 09:47:23 PM

clyph: spending millions on transportation infrastructure that's going to be used by (at most) .1% of the population isn't good public policy


Non-cyclists benefit, too.

More bikes = fewer cars
Fewer cars = less time in stuck in traffic and less money spent on roads
 
2014-02-02 10:49:19 PM

clyph: vpb: I thought that was the whole point of being a douchey biker.

My cousin is a professional bike douche - he runs a Soros-funded bike advocacy group.

he doesn't quite get the idea that spending millions on transportation infrastructure that's going to be used by (at most) .1% of the population isn't good public policy.


Maybe you don't quite get that if the infrastructure were there to make it safer for people to ride their bicycles, that number would increase significantly. I ask people why they don't ride more often, and the number one reason cited is safety, or perceived safety.

People like you should take the bus.
 
2014-02-02 10:52:08 PM

flucto: Anything found on a site that has quotes about bikes replacing public transportation is not to be taken seriously.


Anything found following the handle flucto is not to be taken seriously.

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Because nobody uses bicycles at the same level as numbers/milage public transport anywhere.
 
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