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(Omaha World Herald)   Doctor infects his patients with Hep-C in the US, flees back to Pakistan. Is arrested & extradited to face tri.....what? They didn't arrest him? What did they do with him? Made him Pakistan's new Health Minister? FUUUUUUUUU-   (omaha.com) divider line 84
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2014-02-02 08:09:43 PM

AgentPothead: Guess what? People suck regardless of where they are from. FARK proves that well enough for everybody.


I know, right?  Hurting the feelings of someone you haven't met, trying to kill 99 people who trusted you to make them better; same thing, right?

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How's that professional in-sourcing working out for you, America?  Yes, let's keep shutting out US-born and professionally-trained people to cut costs regardless of consequences.
 
2014-02-02 10:05:43 PM

Spiralmonkey: You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one but a broad rule of thumb is that Pakistani and Indian universities don't have the same quality of teaching that is found in western countries.  That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.That's more on the criminal side than the ignorant side. What's the betting he will never face any judicial hearing over this? The Pakistani government won't willingly give him up and the normal press response there is to always say the accusations are false, manufactured to make a political point somehow.


Too funny. You are actually using India and Pakistan in the same sentence. One is a Islamic state where education consists primarily of madrassas and bomb-head mohammed(s), the other is a Indo-European country that goes back 5000 years science wise.

Weird.
 
2014-02-02 10:35:19 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-02 10:36:38 PM
Can't do actual good work? Politics, baby!
 
2014-02-02 11:02:58 PM
Don't we have a James Bond?
 
2014-02-02 11:10:29 PM
We had no brown people to blame when the same thing happened to patients getting colonoscopies in a VA hospital a couple of years ago.

Were his nurses pakistani? They were the ones not rinsing the syringes with saline.

Was the state pakistani? Apparently,there had,been reports about thisthis oncology clinic.
 
2014-02-02 11:19:40 PM

pstudent12: Spiralmonkey: You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one but a broad rule of thumb is that Pakistani and Indian universities don't have the same quality of teaching that is found in western countries.  That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.That's more on the criminal side than the ignorant side. What's the betting he will never face any judicial hearing over this? The Pakistani government won't willingly give him up and the normal press response there is to always say the accusations are false, manufactured to make a political point somehow.

Too funny. You are actually using India and Pakistan in the same sentence. One is a Islamic state where education consists primarily of madrassas and bomb-head mohammed(s), the other is a Indo-European country that goes back 5000 years science wise.

Weird.


www.troll.me
 
2014-02-02 11:38:32 PM
Not sure how this is related, but it sure is cool map.


desalas.org

/Yes it's in spanish
//I always though "West Pakistan", now Bangladesh, was one of the craziest European impositions ever.
 
2014-02-03 12:09:05 AM
some say the English left the subcontinent because they couldn't get the people to stop bathing in their own waste.
 
2014-02-03 12:11:11 AM
The derp and bigotry has come out very strongly in this thread.

Also, fark that guy.

/Pakistani
//Muslim
///Doctor
 
2014-02-03 12:15:02 AM

gmpilot: pstudent12: Spiralmonkey: You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one but a broad rule of thumb is that Pakistani and Indian universities don't have the same quality of teaching that is found in western countries.  That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.That's more on the criminal side than the ignorant side. What's the betting he will never face any judicial hearing over this? The Pakistani government won't willingly give him up and the normal press response there is to always say the accusations are false, manufactured to make a political point somehow.

Too funny. You are actually using India and Pakistan in the same sentence. One is a Islamic state where education consists primarily of madrassas and bomb-head mohammed(s), the other is a Indo-European country that goes back 5000 years science wise.

Weird.

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Stupid, most likely.  India and Pakistan are quite different in a number of ways, and they play up their differences politically really hard, so it's easy to get taken in and ignore all their similarities.

And to be honest, Pakistan is worse.  It's a rather fine distinction but essentially true.  Pakistan has to deal with a MUCH larger population of the middle-eastern equivalent of Teabaggers sitting around pretending to be proud Pakistanis while also openly supporting the destruction of the federal government and the other half of the country that DOESN'T live in backwards rural farktard zones.

The local politics are an ever-complicated dance of false-friendships, diplomatic backstabbing (complete with real knives), and the occasional open revolt.

Meanwhile India has their ancient Caste system that says "born poor, deserve to die poor," I could try to be more comprehensive as to India's problems but I don't think I *need* to after that.

Buuuut, this doesn't have a whole lot to do with the story at hand.  The fact remains that if someone comes from over there and becomes a doctor over here, they usually had enough money they could graft and crony their way through the not-immune-to-corruption American medical education system.   But the inherent sexism and classism of Pakistan means such folk are going to be male, politically-connected, and familiar with the kind of games involving bribes, crimes, and fleeing the country if you seriously fark up.
 
2014-02-03 12:17:46 AM

gmpilot: pstudent12: Spiralmonkey: You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one but a broad rule of thumb is that Pakistani and Indian universities don't have the same quality of teaching that is found in western countries.  That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.That's more on the criminal side than the ignorant side. What's the betting he will never face any judicial hearing over this? The Pakistani government won't willingly give him up and the normal press response there is to always say the accusations are false, manufactured to make a political point somehow.

Too funny. You are actually using India and Pakistan in the same sentence. One is a Islamic state where education consists primarily of madrassas and bomb-head mohammed(s), the other is a Indo-European country that goes back 5000 years science wise.

Weird.

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I think it's a little from column A and a little from column B. Wonder if he knows they were the same country until fairly recently.
 
2014-02-03 12:28:33 AM

Spiralmonkey: That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.


FTFA: "Javed's nurses repeatedly didn't change the syringe while flushing cancer patients' ports using saline from a community saline bag."

...And we pass the savings on to you!

What kind of syringe? How much would it cost? If you've GOT to reuse syringes, why not dunk them in bleach for a few seconds?
 
2014-02-03 12:31:38 AM

dionysusaur: foo monkey: They somehow blame the US for the idea that the EU (Germany) is attempting to drive out native Greeks and turn the country into a resort destination.  I heard the term, "Europe's Florida", but I don't think he understands Greece already is Europe's Florida.

But, it's not shaped like a wang.  More of a ... mossy, unkempt cave.


Europe's Florida is Turkey. Or NATO's anyway.
 
2014-02-03 12:36:00 AM

Ronin_S: have a friend from India and she told me the whole reason her family left was her parents couldn't stand the corruption. A degree from there is worthless because anyone with enough money can basically buy their sheepskin, paying someone else to take their tests for them and bribing the teachers to give them good marks. The ones with money also have the family and influence to land the plum jobs and keep everyone else out.


But several news outlets including the BBC keep referring to India as "the world's biggest democracy."

Maybe in the sense that the rulers of China are the "Communist" Party.
 
2014-02-03 12:48:21 AM

Ronin_S: TV's Vinnie: Spiralmonkey:

You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one

You can when Pakistan makes them the freakin' Health Minister.

Given that they only have 0.8 doctors per 1000 people (compared with 2.0-2.4 for industrialized countries), he was probably the most qualified well-connected guy they could find.


So why are there so many Pakistani doctors in the USA? With numbers like that I wouldn't kvetch if the Pakistani government required their doctors to practice in their own country for a certain number of years after graduation, under penalty of death if need be. And shoot people who do shiat like this. (Though at the very worst such malpracticioners would reduce Pakistan's overpopulation.)

Cuba OTOH has for decades been training more doctors than it needs and sending them overseas to serve. Perhaps the USA should hire some doctors from Cuba instead.
 
2014-02-03 01:29:25 AM
The doctor mentioned in the article from Las Vegas is Indian. His clinic shared syringes between patients getting endoscopy procedures and some of the patients who were infected died.
 
2014-02-03 02:09:54 AM

Walker: Pakistan hates the US. Hates us more than any country on Earth hates us. Yet we give them billions of dollars of tax payer money. Are we crazy? Well duh.

Here are the 10 nations with the least favorable impression of the U.S., according to Pew:
1. Pakistan (percentage with a favorable view of the United States: 11%)
2. Jordan (14%)
3. Palestinian territories (16%)
4. Egypt (16%)
5. Turkey (21%)
6. Greece (39%)
7. China (40%)
8. Argentina (41%)
9. Tunisia (42%)
10. Lebanon (47%)

Let's not forget what they did to the doctor who turned in Bin Laden. Made him a national hero? No, they arrested him.


If you compare that list to the list of countries that have had the most people killed by US foreign policy, it makes a lot of sense.
 
2014-02-03 02:56:02 AM

TheBigJerk: Fissile: My father's doctor is Pakistani, she's great, helped my father tremendously where other doctors, including American born doctors, were clueless.  However, I admit that foreign doctors are a mixed bag, and usually don't measure up to their US trained counterparts.  I've seen some who were complete dumb-shiats, or worse, outright psycho.

Keyword!

My unfair and personal anecdotal evidence is that middle eastern doctors (Pakistan counts) tend to be male, old money incompetents who are usually bad at their job (from a reliance on cheaper and/or riskier techniques) and work in the Midwest (because it's easier to get political clout and/or snow the locals).  If he works in the city or is actually a she the doc is more likely to have their job because they are actually good at it.

The Midwest has a severe doctor shortage though, not 100% on the reasons (though I can guess it's the dollars) which tends to exacerbate the problem.

But most of this is from friend in the biz.  And as I mentioned it is anecdotal.


Somewhat related.  My dentist is a middle eastern woman and she is awesome.
 
2014-02-03 03:19:06 AM
pstudent12:

Too funny. You are actually using India and Pakistan in the same sentence. One is a Islamic state where education consists primarily of madrassas and bomb-head mohammed(s), the other is a Indo-European country that goes back 5000 years science wise.

Uh-huh. A country that turned the "holy" Ganges River into a soup of toxic waste and human & animal shiat that millions of Hindus flock to to drink from. Without treating, filtering or boiling it first. Because it's the holy Ganges River, see? Religion trumps common sense in India too.

One one side, wacky Muslims; on the other wacky Hindus.

But I'm not sure how to view the history so I'll ask y'all Farkers for input: was British domination of India beneficial in the long run ("What did the Romans ever do for us?") or did it ultimately do more harm than good?
 
2014-02-03 03:44:07 AM
First Pakistan blatantly harbors Osama Bin Laden. Now they're harboring a psycho doctor who spreads incurable disease. And we're supposed to be surprised why, exactly..?

/didn't RTFA
 
2014-02-03 03:44:43 AM
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I'm quite sure this won't affect the billions in aid Pakistan receives from the American tax payer.
 
2014-02-03 04:40:15 AM

Maul555: Walker: Pakistan hates the US. Hates us more than any country on Earth hates us. Yet we give them billions of dollars of tax payer money. Are we crazy? Well duh.

Greece, wtf?


I assume because they keep claiming that they invented democracy. IT WAS AMERICANS IN AMERICAN WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
 
2014-02-03 07:46:16 AM

The One True TheDavid: Ronin_S: TV's Vinnie: Spiralmonkey:

You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one

You can when Pakistan makes them the freakin' Health Minister.

Given that they only have 0.8 doctors per 1000 people (compared with 2.0-2.4 for industrialized countries), he was probably the most qualified well-connected guy they could find.

So why are there so many Pakistani doctors in the USA? With numbers like that I wouldn't kvetch if the Pakistani government required their doctors to practice in their own country for a certain number of years after graduation, under penalty of death if need be. And shoot people who do shiat like this. (Though at the very worst such malpracticioners would reduce Pakistan's overpopulation.)

Cuba OTOH has for decades been training more doctors than it needs and sending them overseas to serve. Perhaps the USA should hire some doctors from Cuba instead.


There is a great host of connected things in there.

In the middle east, along with "holy man" and "military leader" one of the most respected and highly-valued jobs is "doctor."  To be a doctor is to be a great man, it is considered a path in life that is righteous and good and desirable.  Therefore when someone is rich/politically connected (they are usually the same thing) a popular choice for their children's education (well, the male children) is to send them to America and pay in cash for their medical schooling.  Medical schools give them preferential treatment because they pay in cash and probably pay extra (you know the old "donate to the school's fund, get preferential admission" game that nearly every university falls prey to) rather than begging for scholarships or taking out loans and having a chance of dropping out from money issues.

This valuing of medical education is also true for other cultures, including Cuba.  Cuba goes the extra (and quite intelligent) mile of using public funds to increase the education of doctors, the production of medicine and medical products, and researching ways to make the most expensive stuff cheaper.

But in Modern America things have changed, though I get the distinct impression that only changed within the last 1 or 2 generations.  For America the most lauded and culturally-valued life paths seem to be Lawyer and Entertainer.  People who make a lot of money while not necessarily doing anything useful.  So we produce less doctors, less nurses, and have shortages all over the place because the best and brightest are taught from an early age, "If you want to be a great person, be rich, be famous, be a parasite."  And our national obsession with the free market and the inherent unprofitability of medical education and competing with existing med-tech providers (there are some deeply-entrenched semi-monopolies in hospital bed manufacturers, etc. and it is HUGELY expensive to try and break into the market) means there is nothing trying to increase supply to our ever-increasing demand of medical care.

And the hardest-hit locations are the flyover states because, frankly, they aren't very attractive places to stay, work, and live.

So Cuba's getting better and we're getting worse, and with a rapidly-aging population needing more care and producing less care (doctors retire) we gots us some problems.  Government spending (scary boogeyman that it is) on new medical schools, price-reducing R&D, and start-ups trying to break into the business of (oh let's just spitball) making MRIs would probably help, but it would take 10 or 20 years for the benefits to show up, and that would not help any elected official who championed it because long-term investments do not result in short-term re-elections.

And so...here we are.
 
2014-02-03 08:07:39 AM

The One True TheDavid: Ronin_S: have a friend from India and she told me the whole reason her family left was her parents couldn't stand the corruption. A degree from there is worthless because anyone with enough money can basically buy their sheepskin, paying someone else to take their tests for them and bribing the teachers to give them good marks. The ones with money also have the family and influence to land the plum jobs and keep everyone else out.

But several news outlets including the BBC keep referring to India as "the world's biggest democracy."

Maybe in the sense that the rulers of China are the "Communist" Party.


You can have a country that is a democracy in every sense of the word that is also horribly corrupt. They're two very different things.
 
2014-02-03 08:36:14 AM

DrPainMD: Walker: Pakistan hates the US. Hates us more than any country on Earth hates us. Yet we give them billions of dollars of tax payer money. Are we crazy? Well duh.

Here are the 10 nations with the least favorable impression of the U.S., according to Pew:
1. Pakistan (percentage with a favorable view of the United States: 11%)
2. Jordan (14%)
3. Palestinian territories (16%)
4. Egypt (16%)
5. Turkey (21%)
6. Greece (39%)
7. China (40%)
8. Argentina (41%)
9. Tunisia (42%)
10. Lebanon (47%)

Let's not forget what they did to the doctor who turned in Bin Laden. Made him a national hero? No, they arrested him.

If you compare that list to the list of countries that have had the most people killed by US foreign policy, it makes a lot of sense.


China? In direct conflict? Same goes for a lot of other countries on that list.

Also. I'm confused to see Argentina is ranked higher than North Korea for example. Or maybe North Korea isn't listed... which would cast a doubtful shadow on the validity or usefulness of this little ranking right here.
 
2014-02-03 09:43:45 AM

Maul555: Walker: Pakistan hates the US. Hates us more than any country on Earth hates us. Yet we give them billions of dollars of tax payer money. Are we crazy? Well duh.

Here are the 10 nations with the least favorable impression of the U.S., according to Pew:
1. Pakistan (percentage with a favorable view of the United States: 11%)
2. Jordan (14%)
3. Palestinian territories (16%)
4. Egypt (16%)
5. Turkey (21%)
6. Greece (39%)
7. China (40%)
8. Argentina (41%)
9. Tunisia (42%)
10. Lebanon (47%)

Let's not forget what they did to the doctor who turned in Bin Laden. Made him a national hero? No, they arrested him.

Greece, wtf?


I swear, you support ONE dictatorship...
 
2014-02-03 10:08:57 AM

OgreMagi: TheBigJerk: Fissile: My father's doctor is Pakistani, she's great, helped my father tremendously where other doctors, including American born doctors, were clueless.  However, I admit that foreign doctors are a mixed bag, and usually don't measure up to their US trained counterparts.  I've seen some who were complete dumb-shiats, or worse, outright psycho.

Keyword!

My unfair and personal anecdotal evidence is that middle eastern doctors (Pakistan counts) tend to be male, old money incompetents who are usually bad at their job (from a reliance on cheaper and/or riskier techniques) and work in the Midwest (because it's easier to get political clout and/or snow the locals).  If he works in the city or is actually a she the doc is more likely to have their job because they are actually good at it.

The Midwest has a severe doctor shortage though, not 100% on the reasons (though I can guess it's the dollars) which tends to exacerbate the problem.

But most of this is from friend in the biz.  And as I mentioned it is anecdotal.

Somewhat related.  My dentist is a middle eastern woman and she is awesome.


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My dentist is an Italian born woman, living in the US since she was little, and she's great.   Honestly, I think women make better medical professionals than men.
 
2014-02-03 10:16:50 AM

Ronin_S: I have a friend from India and she told me the whole reason her family left was her parents couldn't stand the corruption. A degree from there is worthless because anyone with enough money can basically buy their sheepskin, paying someone else to take their tests for them and bribing the teachers to give them good marks. The ones with money also have the family and influence to land the plum jobs and keep everyone else out.


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Sounds just like New Jersey.  Maybe that's why NJ has one of the highest concentrations of Indian immigrants in the US.
 
2014-02-03 10:51:49 AM

Fissile: My dentist is an Italian born woman, living in the US since she was little, and she's great. Honestly, I think women make better medical professionals than men.


I think it really depends on how well you click with your doctors. I had a great dentist as I have been going to her all my life till about 5 years ago when she retired though I still went to the same office she worked in. Her boss, the owner, was also a great dentist and was always fun to talk to him. He gave me a root canal several years ago and for hours we, I mean he, talked, as I just spoke gibberish.

My old primary doctor was the same way. Though I am not a sports fan, I still made fun of his college team when they were playing and loosing. He would, in turn, pick on something I liked.

Though I did have one hell of a crush on this one nurse when I was a 10. Hit by a car and spent Christmas in the hospital in ISU. This nurse would always come in and talk to me. Really developed a nice friendship when I needed one.
 
2014-02-03 11:10:28 AM

WTFDYW: Cincinnati had a Pakistani Dr. that fled a few months ago after butchering people. Fark these people.


"these people?"
 
2014-02-03 02:11:02 PM

TheBigJerk: And the hardest-hit locations are the flyover states because, frankly, they aren't very attractive places to stay, work, and live.


Kentucky and West Virginia have beautiful scenery. As for the social climate, that can change. Instead of putting down the majority of our country maybe y'all could "gentrify" it a bit.

The FBI is helping already.
 
2014-02-03 02:13:55 PM

Ronin_S: You can have a country that is a democracy in every sense of the word that is also horribly corrupt. They're two very different things.


Not in spirit, no. With horrible corruption you can have the appearance of democracy but non-rich people get very little say in how they're governed.
 
2014-02-03 02:19:20 PM

Famous Thamas: I swear, you support ONE dictatorship...


One?? I don't have the data on hand yet, but I'd think that during the Cold War the USA supported as many dictatorships as the USSR. E.g., we bought Egypt away from Russia and American oil companies turned Saudia Arabia into the economic world power it is today.
 
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