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(Orlando Sentinel)   Cop-chemist steals drugs, replaces them with over-the-counter pills. Thousands of court cases could be in jeopardy. Florida tag facepalms   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 51
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-02 10:47:00 AM
FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey revealed Saturday that roughly 2,600 cases since 2006 have been linked to the chemist, whose name was not released.

Is that all? A state chemist in Massachusetts is serving 3-5 years for faking test results in over 10 times as many cases.  Surely Florida can do better.
 
2014-02-02 10:50:05 AM

ZAZ: FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey revealed Saturday that roughly 2,600 cases since 2006 have been linked to the chemist, whose name was not released.

Is that all? A state chemist in Massachusetts is serving 3-5 years for faking test results in over 10 times as many cases.  Surely Florida can do better.


Anyone convicted or who took a plea based on the evidence that this person handled should immediately be given a new trial, with said evidence excluded, at the expense of the state.
 
2014-02-02 11:01:28 AM
That chemist, who worked in FDLE's Pensacola Regional Crime Laboratory, is under a criminal investigation and has been relieved of duty with pay.

Sounds about right.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-02 12:27:01 PM
TuteTibiImperes

The Massachusetts situation is a mess. There are tens of thousands of cases to review. As a general policy, the system has agreed to a do-over on drug charges based on test results from the "rogue" chemist. Unfortunately that policy does not cover all the tainted cases, possibly not even a majority of cases. A typical situation has a guy caught with drugs, a gun, and a prior felony conviction. Often there was a plea bargain and you can not say anything as simple as "throw out the drug conviction and keep the gun conviction." They were intertwined, part of a package deal. The guy (legally) belongs in prison even if the drug test results were faked. Maybe for less time.

A special court is working through all these cases. I expect most of these guys had public defenders so everything is at state expense.

I was very disappointed that she got only 3-5 years.
 
2014-02-02 01:21:45 PM
That chemist, who worked in FDLE's Pensacola Regional Crime Laboratory, is under a criminal investigation and has been relieved of duty with pay.

--Nuff said
 
2014-02-02 01:21:50 PM
Wait. Isn't that a perk?
 
2014-02-02 01:28:24 PM
"The quantities are large,'' Bailey said during a news conference in Tallahassee on Saturday. "The chemist has lawyered up."

nice phraseology there bailey, especially for the FDLE commissioner.

the guy was hired in 2006 and immediately started stealing drugs or they are just going back to then since they don't know? but hey on the upside they won't have time to drug test folks on welfare, unemployment or SNAP now.
 
2014-02-02 01:29:11 PM
Hooray!
 
2014-02-02 01:32:23 PM
Ahh, the ol "One for me, one for evidence, one for me, one for evi...me...me...evidence...me...me, me, me me." routine.
 
2014-02-02 01:35:01 PM
Routine evidence falsification is the norm. It's rather amazing this came to light.
 
2014-02-02 01:38:05 PM

berylman: Routine evidence falsification is the norm. It's rather amazing this came to light.


chemist was acting like a dick or someone with more power didn't like chemist.
 
2014-02-02 01:38:20 PM
but how else is Dexter gonna knock out those creeps into submission?  those syringes aint gonna fill themselves.
 
2014-02-02 01:41:44 PM

Lsherm: That chemist, who worked in FDLE's Pensacola Regional Crime Laboratory, is under a criminal investigation and has been relieved of duty with pay.

Sounds about right.


Normal procedure in cases like this. They can't terminate the person without evidence, and they can't leave the person on the job. Once they have sufficient evidence, they'll either terminate or suspend without pay. Of course on Fark this is considered a "paid vacation" because cops.
 
2014-02-02 01:42:42 PM

ZAZ: TuteTibiImperes

The Massachusetts situation is a mess. There are tens of thousands of cases to review. As a general policy, the system has agreed to a do-over on drug charges based on test results from the "rogue" chemist. Unfortunately that policy does not cover all the tainted cases, possibly not even a majority of cases. A typical situation has a guy caught with drugs, a gun, and a prior felony conviction. Often there was a plea bargain and you can not say anything as simple as "throw out the drug conviction and keep the gun conviction." They were intertwined, part of a package deal. The guy (legally) belongs in prison even if the drug test results were faked. Maybe for less time.

A special court is working through all these cases. I expect most of these guys had public defenders so everything is at state expense.

I was very disappointed that she got only 3-5 years.


Should get life and forfeiture of all assets.

Also keep in mind people that this is ALL her cases, NOT all the cases where the drugs are the only evidence.  If you catch you in the middle of a bank robbery with cocaine on you, with 20 cameras, 30 witnesses including your mother testifying you did the robbery, with fingerprints and dna and a youtube video uploaded by you detailing your plans to rob the bank, they're still going to test the cocaine to see if it's really cocaine.
 
2014-02-02 01:43:37 PM
That's just messed up.
 
2014-02-02 01:46:47 PM

Curious: "The quantities are large,'' Bailey said during a news conference in Tallahassee on Saturday. "The chemist has lawyered up."

nice phraseology there bailey, especially for the FDLE commissioner.

the guy was hired in 2006 and immediately started stealing drugs or they are just going back to then since they don't know? but hey on the upside they won't have time to drug test folks on welfare, unemployment or SNAP now.


I like how they're showing him decency after he's f*cked up so many lives.
Being put in a position of 'authority' or power is reason enough for some people to go mad with it and feel they are above reproach.
They should be punished twice as harshly as others.
 
2014-02-02 01:50:03 PM
And now from TotalFutureFark:

Dateline 2015
Defence lawyers are holding charity balls and fund-raising events all over the country today to show their gratitude to police chemists who got their clients off thanks to contaminated evidence. In Colorado, the Colorado Bar is holding a marijuana brownie bake sale that has already attracted bands and crowds that ensure it will be bigger than Woodstock. It is being called Browniestock. The Girl Scouts and Brownies of America have contributed a large part of the pastries and cakes.

Meanwhile the GOP continues to endear itself to women by calling the Girl Scouts "Jezebels" and "the Great Harlot of Babylon".

TotalFutureFark. Making the headlines before they happen, just like the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Only $20 a month.
 
2014-02-02 01:53:33 PM

www.trbimg.com

It's times like these that I say to myself, "Jesus what I wouldn't give for a Xanax"

 
2014-02-02 01:54:08 PM
He was not a chemist or a cop, he was a lab technician. Crime lab techs are about equal to hospital lab techs in education and pay. They don't have chemistry degrees, nor do they carry badges. At least not in my part of the country.
 
2014-02-02 01:54:55 PM

Lsherm: That chemist, who worked in FDLE's Pensacola Regional Crime Laboratory, is under a criminal investigation and has been relieved of duty with pay.

Sounds about right.


Yeah, I'm sure the defendants suing his ass will be a bit relieved that he has some money coming in to pay them.
 
2014-02-02 02:00:39 PM

pueblonative: Lsherm: That chemist, who worked in FDLE's Pensacola Regional Crime Laboratory, is under a criminal investigation and has been relieved of duty with pay.

Sounds about right.

Yeah, I'm sure the defendants suing his ass will be a bit relieved that he has some money coming in to pay them.


Why would defendants be suing him? There is no accusation he falsified reports, just that he stole drugs that were evidence. If anything, they would be getting retrials and possibly get their verdicts reversed.
 
2014-02-02 02:03:46 PM
And now from TotalFutureFark:

Dateline 2015
CORRECTION: It was incorrectly stated in next week's news that defence lawyers were showing support for police chemists. This should be emended to read "underpaid lab technicians who supplemet their meager incomes by stealing drugs". Please raise your hands in the air like you just don't care. Our underpaid moderators will get around to fixing this mistake next week. Or not. Beer bong party at Drew's as soon as he turns his back!
 
2014-02-02 02:04:01 PM
Cops always have the best drugs.
 
2014-02-02 02:05:45 PM

TuteTibiImperes: ZAZ: FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey revealed Saturday that roughly 2,600 cases since 2006 have been linked to the chemist, whose name was not released.

Is that all? A state chemist in Massachusetts is serving 3-5 years for faking test results in over 10 times as many cases.  Surely Florida can do better.

Anyone convicted or who took a plea based on the evidence that this person handled should immediately be given a new trial, with said evidence excluded, at the expense of the state.


You're missing something. TFA says he took actual drugs of abuse and replaced them with OTC look-alikes. Presumably he tested the pills, correctly noted they were in fact Vicodin or whatever, then refilled the containers with generic acetaminophen or something. The same with those who correctly certify that a substance in in fact crack and then switch it with rock candy. There's no injustice toward the defendants in that, at least not that kind.

Would you rather have the State waste the pills by throwing them away? They don't even get donated to clinics for very poor folks. If there was a program like that in place then I might get irked, but this? Eh. I'm saving my outrage for murdering baby-rapers who don't get executed.
 
2014-02-02 02:09:31 PM
Is it time to have an adult conversation in this country about legalizing ALL drugs for adults?
 
2014-02-02 02:10:52 PM

abhorrent1: Wait. Isn't that a perk?


Some of them were percs.

Some were oxy, some were xanax, some were vikes, some were roxies...
 
2014-02-02 02:13:45 PM

The One True TheDavid: TuteTibiImperes: ZAZ: FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey revealed Saturday that roughly 2,600 cases since 2006 have been linked to the chemist, whose name was not released.

Is that all? A state chemist in Massachusetts is serving 3-5 years for faking test results in over 10 times as many cases.  Surely Florida can do better.

Anyone convicted or who took a plea based on the evidence that this person handled should immediately be given a new trial, with said evidence excluded, at the expense of the state.

You're missing something. TFA says he took actual drugs of abuse and replaced them with OTC look-alikes. Presumably he tested the pills, correctly noted they were in fact Vicodin or whatever, then refilled the containers with generic acetaminophen or something. The same with those who correctly certify that a substance in in fact crack and then switch it with rock candy. There's no injustice toward the defendants in that, at least not that kind.

Would you rather have the State waste the pills by throwing them away? They don't even get donated to clinics for very poor folks. If there was a program like that in place then I might get irked, but this? Eh. I'm saving my outrage for murdering baby-rapers who don't get executed.


ROFL
there is zero way to verify that he did any tests, that any of his reports are real.
the problem with FACTUAL EVIDENCE is that it can be verified.
his reports now have zero factual value and can no longer be entered into evidence.
he can no longer testify. period.

it is all hearsay.

he TAMPERED with the evidence, making it no longer evidence.
fark em
 
2014-02-02 02:14:43 PM

Stone Meadow: Is it time to have an adult conversation in this country about legalizing ALL drugs for adults?


this
period

this would totally solve the problem of patients being able to get pain meds when they need them.

BOO HOOO the addicts get meds, lets punish EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!

/asshole puritan farktards
 
2014-02-02 02:23:07 PM
Florida tag spikes ball, fist-pumps and dances in the end zone.  No "face-palm," Subby.  The year is still young; and we're still the only state tag on Fark.  There are rivals, but that's points on the board.  Yay!
 
2014-02-02 02:25:09 PM

Stone Meadow: Is it time to have an adult conversation in this country about legalizing ALL drugs for adults?


Sadly, no not yet.

Not AT LEAST until the vast majority of the Baby Boomers have aged out of the voting pool, and probably not for 10+ years after that.

In the meantime we're just just going to let all the nonviolent drug offenders rot in prison.
 
2014-02-02 02:33:15 PM
This will source episodes of CSI and Law & Order within a week.
 
2014-02-02 02:33:20 PM
If instead of taking the drugs after he tested them, he had switched them before testing them and gotten people off of the drug charges, he would be a Fark hero. Who knows, maybe he did in some cases. That would be kind of like the cops back in the 70s that would confiscate your weed and let you off with a stern warning.
 
2014-02-02 02:46:38 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-02 02:51:31 PM
I'm curious to hear how they found out about it.  Was it a trial where a police officer with an eidetic memory was on the witness stand handling seized evidence and said "Uh, these aren't the pills we found"?
 
2014-02-02 02:57:19 PM

CruiserTwelve: Lsherm: That chemist, who worked in FDLE's Pensacola Regional Crime Laboratory, is under a criminal investigation and has been relieved of duty with pay.

Sounds about right.

Normal procedure in cases like this. They can't terminate the person without evidence, and they can't leave the person on the job. Once they have sufficient evidence, they'll either terminate or suspend without pay. Of course on Fark this is considered a "paid vacation" because cops are almost never terminated (or even reprimanded) for their actions, regardless of what they've done.


You left a bit off the end of that sentence.
 
2014-02-02 03:19:55 PM

mrmopar5287: I'm curious to hear how they found out about it.  Was it a trial where a police officer with an eidetic memory was on the witness stand handling seized evidence and said "Uh, these aren't the pills we found"?


That would be interesting.

Perhaps somebody that was accustomed to helping themselves to the stash complained?
 
2014-02-02 03:45:20 PM

JoieD'Zen: mrmopar5287: I'm curious to hear how they found out about it.  Was it a trial where a police officer with an eidetic memory was on the witness stand handling seized evidence and said "Uh, these aren't the pills we found"?

That would be interesting.

Perhaps somebody that was accustomed to helping themselves to the stash complained?


Maybe someone who had been convicted was able to get an appeal and the defense was able to get a court order for their own tests on the evidence.
 
2014-02-02 03:45:35 PM
Awww. Poor l'i'l Florida Department of Law Enforcement ..

s15.postimg.org
 
2014-02-02 03:54:24 PM

MarkEC: Why would defendants be suing him? There is no accusation he falsified reports, just that he stole drugs that were evidence. If anything, they would be getting retrials and possibly get their verdicts reversed.


Yeah.  It doesn't sound like he actually turned in any false data.  It's just when the stuff he was testing was drugs he then swiped it.

mrmopar5287: I'm curious to hear how they found out about it. Was it a trial where a police officer with an eidetic memory was on the witness stand handling seized evidence and said "Uh, these aren't the pills we found"?


The OTC stuff will have different markings.  Or perhaps some defendant requested an independent test of the stuff.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-02 04:14:59 PM
Or perhaps some defendant requested an independent test of the stuff.

In a previous thread on a similar subject one of Fark lawyer's described a courtroom scene. His client was accused of a drug offense. Police brought the drugs into court and testified about the chain of custody. They testified that the drugs had been tested and come back as something illicit. Defendant told his lawyer those weren't the drugs the police took from him. Lawyer asked for a test in court, the substitute substance tested legal, the guilty as sin defendant got off, and some crooked cops probably got a verbal reprimand.
 
2014-02-02 04:25:20 PM

Loren: The OTC stuff will have different markings.  Or perhaps some defendant requested an independent test of the stuff.


I knew it would be different pills with different markings, etc.  Just wondered how long it took and in what circumstances that someone noticed.

Kinda the old "hiding in plain sight" trick, right?  The pills are in a sealed bag as evidence of a crime, 100% in the possession of law enforcement for chain of evidence, etc.  So 99.999% of people don't look twice when surrounded by those circumstances and I am just extremely curious who the one person was that noticed something amiss.
 
2014-02-02 04:26:31 PM
They were drug cases.
ingat.info
 
2014-02-02 04:50:25 PM
Judge: "you stand here convicted of the possession and distribution of 100,000 ecstasy pills, how do you plead?"

Defendant: "Um your Honor, I only see 6 pills here as evidence. Where are the rest?"

Judge: "yea, where is the rest of the evidence?"

Prosecutor/Cop: "Errr, we, like, destroyed it in some way or another and WHY CAN'T YOU TRUST US TO WRITE THE CORRECT NUMBER AND USE THAT AS EVIDENCE!!!?!?!??!"

Judge: "Case dismissed."
 
2014-02-02 05:21:54 PM
You people speculate too much.  Yes I said you people. Got a problem with that?
/meta
 
2014-02-02 06:20:47 PM

CourtroomWolf: They were drug cases.
[ingat.info image 400x400]


Exactly.
img.fark.net

I won't cry one bit for drug cases getting thrown out.  This guy did the public a service.
 
2014-02-02 06:29:42 PM

CourtroomWolf: They were drug cases.
[ingat.info image 400x400]


what drug cases?
the innocent citizens were framed
could you please produce the evidence?
wait, that is a picture of some pills, what do you mean the pills are gone??

cases dismissed
 
2014-02-02 08:18:51 PM
So what channel is this on again?
 
2014-02-02 08:31:46 PM

Stone Meadow: Is it time to have an adult conversation in this country about legalizing ALL drugs for adults?


jesusjesusjesus.
 
2014-02-03 01:06:27 AM
Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings and Donna Brock are praying right now that this guy was involved in their cases.
 
2014-02-03 08:51:34 AM

MarkEC: He was not a chemist or a cop, he was a lab technician. Crime lab techs are about equal to hospital lab techs in education and pay. They don't have chemistry degrees, nor do they carry badges. At least not in my part of the country.


Many do here. They must have a bachelor's degree in a science, and must attend the state LEO academy. They are sworn peace officers.
 
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