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(Salon)   Mother nearly falls into a fit of apoplexy and is forced to confront her irrational fear of the color pink when her daughter asks for a pink pair or "sparkly princess tennis shoes." Because FEMINISM   (salon.com ) divider line
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2014-02-02 08:47:36 AM  
8 votes:

Welcome to Fark Feminism Discussion Club


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2014-02-02 08:38:59 AM  
8 votes:
What i want to know is why this mother is so obviously transphobic and hateful to her proud queer toddler

It's OBVIOUS that her 3 year old daughter is gender self identified as female, and needs to be supported as a FtF transition candidate.  I would even go so far as to say that the child should start hormone replacement therapy so as not to miss the critical window to be able to look as girly as possible despite her bad luck to be born as the wrong sex.


Without the support this little GIRL(yes really, you can call someone like this by the gender they choose) needs, she could die. What do you cis people even know about these issues.
2014-02-02 08:25:56 AM  
8 votes:
Wow, that article was a really long winded way of explaining "author is from the San Francisco Bay Area.
2014-02-02 08:22:06 AM  
5 votes:

Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them


Thanks for mansplaining that.
2014-02-02 08:24:13 AM  
3 votes:

hardinparamedic: Oh good, another strawman RadFem that everyone can use to claim represents the actual philosophy of Feminism and dismiss arguments about civil and wage inequality, impropriety in prosecution of rape and abuse cases, and other bullshiat.


looks like you got some sand in your vagina sugartits...
2014-02-02 05:18:55 PM  
2 votes:
Articles like this is why it's harder and harder for people to not roll their eyes at the word "feminism". I'd tell you to stop representing ideas with the dumbest members of the bunch, but that'd cut down on pageclicks.

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2014-02-02 01:52:28 PM  
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist


Even though you're a feminist, I'd still bang the crap out of you.
GCD
2014-02-02 10:38:37 AM  
2 votes:
A little late to the party here, but I used to do MMA...have several actual cage fights under my belt...and I have a pair of pink sparring gloves.

They're actually my wife's, but I wore them for a bit to help break the leather in for her....but honestly, I wouldn't care if they were mine because it really adds to the hilarity factor.

You want to see people's confused reactions to watching a 6'1, 250 lbs. guy like me doing Muay Thai and MMA wearing pink gloves. They look, see the pink gloves, stop, stare, then watch me punch and kick the Thai pads...and you can just see their brain snap in confusion. "I want to laugh, but probably shouldn't."

I wish that I had video of the reactions that I get.
2014-02-02 08:27:35 AM  
2 votes:

I Am The Bishop Of East Anglia: "She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, where she is working on her first novel."

Hmm, sometimes I worry about how mankind seems to be regressing into autocracy because of the indifference of most people to the loss of the freedoms they gained over the last several centuries, but I guess sparkly pink princess shoes are just as valid a concern to San Francisco writers.


I like the fact that it convienently leaves out the mention of the guy who helped her have those 2 kids, and is supporting her and her kids shoe shopping sprees while she tries to find herself most likely somewhere in her late 30s, working on her first novel.
2014-02-02 08:18:37 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: Do people actually read slate


No, especially people who submit Salon articles
2014-02-02 12:21:19 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: Do people actually read slate or is it some type of autoerotic literary outlet for the people who write that drivel?


This is Salon, but it's a fair question here too.
2014-02-02 12:08:59 AM  
2 votes:
Do people actually read slate or is it some type of autoerotic literary outlet for the people who write that drivel?
2014-02-02 04:38:03 PM  
1 vote:

baconbeard: Toriko, could you please provide some examples where the only choice a girl (or a woman for that matter) has is different shades of pink?


The joke is taking the phenomenon to the extreme, which is what jokes do but it is pretty frustrating to wander into a toy shop and be told via signs (GIRLS!) and culture that pink is all they want. The same goes for clothes shopping. There might be a few other colours to choose from, but the majority of clothes for girls of a infant to toddler age are pink. Now I agree and practice that at the toy store you can move to the (BOYS!) isle and buy whatever your child wants, but when your child knows they are a girl and they see signs that tell them this is the girls section, and all their friends play with pink things and wear pink clothes because the majority of what is on offer is pink, its almost a self-fulfilling prophesy that girls like pink. I want my child to link pink because she likes pink, not because this is what she sees when she goes to the section of the store that she is told is meant for her.
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Now there are much more important things in the world to care about that being faced with this in a toy store, like teaching my child to think for herself and read and write and count and care about other people's feelings and not to spill her goddamned milk all over the couch again. But then again, this is fark, and I posed a comic. I wasn't trying to do anything other than make someone who's seen a toy isle like this chuckle. I'm not oppressed by pink, pink did not kill my father nor touch me in a funny way.
2014-02-02 04:04:32 PM  
1 vote:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Careful, everyone knows we bite the male's heads off after mating


That's why I use bite guards and handcuffs.
2014-02-02 02:50:20 PM  
1 vote:

Oblio13: I actually read crap about "patriarchy" and "rape culture" because feminism is the one-track train my daughters are on. My inescapable conclusion:  Feminism is a hypocritical, narrow-minded cult of hate selling gross distortions and attacking anyone who questions them. The movement is dominated by young, white, middle-class women who have never worried about whether they will be allowed to see their children, let alone about food or even air conditioning. They demonize men, teach women to view themselves as victims, and lobby for special privileges.


I have some terrible news for you. I have it on good authority that your "daughters" don't actually exist and instead are mere "straw men" created by the MRA community in an attempt to discredit "True" feminism.

My condolences.
2014-02-02 01:48:18 PM  
1 vote:

Ivan the Tolerable: When will self-hating insecure radfem coonts ever figure out women have the freedom to be a princess if they want to be, right alongside also being a complete badass?
 People like this articles author are the type of knee-jerk idiots that refuse to even cook for themselves because that would 'oppress' them, then talk about being independent and being a whole person. Its as obscene as it is pathetic.


TFA: But that is way too much information for a 3-year-old, so what I say is, "Eva, I love your shoes. They're great. I'm sorry I didn't listen to you the first time."

Who's knee-jerk idiot now?
2014-02-02 11:50:36 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: Slartibreakfast: "Mansplaining"... 90% of the time it is used as a feminists way of telling men to sit down, shut up, and learn their place.

You sound incensed that someone would tell you to STFU when talking about something you're blatantly wrong about or trying to spin.


That's pretty funny coming from someone who lost their shiat in this very thread without provocation. You'll get over it.
2014-02-02 11:43:56 AM  
1 vote:

Ker_Thwap: hardinparamedic: TwistedFark: I agree, there is little difference between the way hardinparamedic has dismissed his emotional well being as a concern as to how a extreme religious conservative would dismiss the emotional well being of his ex-girlfriend for doing what she did.

Pointing out how his emotional objections to what happened do not justify the road he is leading down with that statement is the same as telling a woman that God was the one that had her rapist brutalize her, violate her in the most intimate way possible, and forcibly impregnate her against her will with a fetus she never wanted in the first place, and then forcing her to carry that child to term where it will allow that rapist to continue to manipulate her life for the rest of her natural?

Really.

Yeah, you're arguing in your own head at this point.  Granted, it was a clumsy analogy, but you're trying to build a rocketship out of scooter parts.

/Speaking of clumsy analogies...


Yeah, I know that I'm riding the Scootie Puff Jr. of arguments at this point.

speedhero.files.wordpress.com

Oh well. Back to politics.
2014-02-02 11:37:36 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: TwistedFark: I agree, there is little difference between the way hardinparamedic has dismissed his emotional well being as a concern as to how a extreme religious conservative would dismiss the emotional well being of his ex-girlfriend for doing what she did.

Pointing out how his emotional objections to what happened do not justify the road he is leading down with that statement is the same as telling a woman that God was the one that had her rapist brutalize her, violate her in the most intimate way possible, and forcibly impregnate her against her will with a fetus she never wanted in the first place, and then forcing her to carry that child to term where it will allow that rapist to continue to manipulate her life for the rest of her natural?

Really.


Yeah, you're arguing in your own head at this point.  Granted, it was a clumsy analogy, but you're trying to build a rocketship out of scooter parts.

/Speaking of clumsy analogies...
2014-02-02 11:32:38 AM  
1 vote:

feckingmorons: Do people actually read slate or is it some type of autoerotic literary outlet for the people who write that drivel?


It's pretty obvious that neither Subby nor 95% of the idiots commenting in this thread read the article.
2014-02-02 11:26:11 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: MRAs are excusable for their vile behavior because they happen to tout that


I have no idea what this means.

hardinparamedic: That the system should be thrown out, and protections based on gender should be thrown out because of exceptions to the system as a whole


I never said that.

But you are right, there is no point in discussing any of this with someone like you.  Interesting conversation though  Will probably have to look into this MRA thing because anything opposed to your confrontational and hostile position must have some merit.  Thanks for the heads up.
2014-02-02 11:20:46 AM  
1 vote:
FTA: I want to ask them if they worry about the ramifications of allowing their child to worship a culture that teaches them girls are for looking pretty and rescuing.

Apparently she hasn't seen a princess movie in 30 years.
2014-02-02 11:15:55 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: TwistedFark: But the thing is, you're not deconstructing anything. You're painting strawmen all around this guy and then using that to be condescending.

Why are you doing this? What sort of benefit are you getting out of it?

I'm actually not. He's using the fact that his girlfriend got an abortion without his permission to do so as a reason to try to justify forcing women to carry a fetus against their will to term, OR forcing them to sign away their right to seek remediation and child support because someone was gaming the system and he happened to be the unfortunate victim of that, ignoring the fact that he is the exception rather than the rule of the deadbeat dad evading the system.

The fact he actually compared what happened to him with the plight of a rape victim being blamed for her rape and forced to cary his rapist's offspring as being exactly similar demonstrates how separate from reality that belief is.

And I'm getting a paycheck from Big Feminism. Seriously?


I read his explanation differently.  I read that he was talking about his emotional reaction as being comparable.  After someone so rudely told him to seek counseling for having emotions.  Nuances.
2014-02-02 11:10:02 AM  
1 vote:

TwistedFark: hardinparamedic: AngryDragon: What the fark is wrong with you?

You really shouldn't have brought this up.

You should have NEVER brought this up if you didn't expect it to be deconstructed in this conversation.

But the thing is, you're not deconstructing anything. You're painting strawmen all around this guy and then using that to be condescending.

Why are you doing this? What sort of benefit are you getting out of it?


Welcome to FARK. Some people thrive on that sort of thing around here.
2014-02-02 10:39:54 AM  
1 vote:

lanabanabutt: Wow, that article was a really long winded way of explaining "author is from the San Francisco Bay Area.


fark you.
2014-02-02 10:38:58 AM  
1 vote:
It's funny that the article makes no reference to feminism at any point.  Amusing.  I am amused.  I has an amuse.
2014-02-02 10:33:15 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: Oh good, another strawman RadFem that everyone can use to claim represents the actual philosophy of Feminism and dismiss arguments about civil and wage inequality, impropriety in prosecution of rape and abuse cases, and other bullshiat.


Exactly. "No True Feminist" would do such a thing.
2014-02-02 10:27:32 AM  
1 vote:
The color pink has been scientifically proven to make people chill the fark out.

http://psychology.about.com/od/sensationandperception/a/color_pink.h tm

HINT HINT.
2014-02-02 10:21:04 AM  
1 vote:
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Princess bubblegum kicks butt
2014-02-02 09:43:05 AM  
1 vote:
hasty ambush: Zasteva:  Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.

hasty ambush: Family court, child custody, Obamacare (all that free stuff attached for women's health issues)etc.
Look at child support. In many states DNA evidence can prove a man is not the father of the child  but he  still can get stuck with child support.  When was the last time a woman got stuck paying child support for a child that was not hers?

Feminism like other similar movements is not so much about equal treatment under the law  but special treatment.

Look at the whole birth control abortion debate.  for the Feminist the battle cry is my body my business and men should not be making laws about women's bodies.  But when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their bodies  they sure don't object to the concept of male tax payers having to pay for them (Federally funded abortions)

 Here is a hint for you  girls if you use other people's money they are going to want some say so in how it is spent even if it used on your body.  If you are using your own money to engage in your own little form of eugenics feel free to tell them to STFU.

Of course should the woman decide to keep the child and not terminate it, she has all the power  in that decision/  Sure the guy choose to or not to exchange bodily fluids with a some slut but it takes to and since the woman is the one who gets pregnant (sorry girls but its science) One could argue she has a greater responsibility in the matter and since chicks want all the power/decision making authority when ti comes to keeping or killing the unborn child the can assume the financial responsibility to unless they are willing to share the authority.

I have notice that those who claim there is a war on women don't really claim about issues attacking equality but the free stuff and  special treatment issues (which they call women's issues) Maternity leave , child care etc..

Look at eh Violen ...


Yep, that was indeed amusing!
2014-02-02 09:41:34 AM  
1 vote:

AngryDragon: If you want the child and the father doesn't though, he should be able to sign off on parental/financial responsibility.  I have both had a girlfriend have an abortion against my wishes and have been sued (falsely) for paternity.  I can assure you that men have absolutely no say whatsoever in family matters and the courts and healthcare professions treat us like second class citizens.


And in reality, it doesn't work like that because our society got tired of leaving broke, uneducated, and multiple-child women thanks to men spreading their seed like little Johnny Apples across the United States, and having to pick up the tab.

And the wonderful thing about that is that you're actually arguing you should be able to violate the constitutional rights and basic human rights of a woman by forcing her to carry to term a fetus, but you say you're not treated fairly by the healthcare and legal establishment.

Hang on. I'm drinking in the irony of this.
2014-02-02 09:26:48 AM  
1 vote:

pxlboy: Zasteva: Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.

pxlboy: Getting out of traffic violations?


Cannonball Run for the win!
2014-02-02 09:23:49 AM  
1 vote:

lack of warmth: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist

She didn't buy them.  The conflict wasn't just her views, but with her forcing them on her daughter in a manner that really isn't something to fight a child over.  Shoes only have to be able to do the job you are asking of them and be in the price range that you wish to spend, after that, I don't really care what my daughter picks.  My daughter likes dresses, and clothes in bright colors including pink with peace symbols, but I don't care for it.  I reduce the girlie-ness by introducing her to sports watching with me and boxing, not watching boxing, actually putting on gloves and swinging at me.  Anyways, the child will decide for themselves who they are and the parent is to love them and teach them to be safe.  It drives me crazy watching people push their own agendas and taste on children that just doesn't want to spend two hours brushing really long hair.

Signed
-someone who read the article.

/my daughter like pink camouflage


Uh... She DID buy them. Aparrently you didn't read too closely.
2014-02-02 09:19:47 AM  
1 vote:

onyxruby: ghare: Thanks for mansplaining that.

Mansplaining is an offensive word, used to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with feminism or questions how it actually deals with equality. It is however quite useful for letting the world know that the person using it is radical with no interest in equality.


Excuse, I'm posting the satirical/ironic fake Poe responses here. Back off, claim jumper.
2014-02-02 09:11:53 AM  
1 vote:
You can be as feminist as you want but I'm still going to cut you slack on your crazy because you're a woman and I'm sexist.
2014-02-02 09:11:01 AM  
1 vote:

Yogimus: Feminism is a shield weak willed women use to protect themselves against the world.


Your dadaist poetry is coming along nicely. Keep up the good work! You might try more repetitive syllables though, lest someone mistake it for having actual meaning.
2014-02-02 09:10:24 AM  
1 vote:

pxlboy: The only person on my blog is an old friend of mine, her posts are full of the aforementioned. I go for the humor and art blogs.


I deleted my tumblr after a post about another user which used the word "attention whore" got me several multi-paragraph, angry replies about "slut shaming".

The person in question was using a non-existent illness (Chronic Lyme Disease) to beg for money.
2014-02-02 09:07:03 AM  
1 vote:

Slartibreakfast: First of all, i never gave my opinion on the article, just pointed out that some feminists love to always act like victims, doesn't matter if it's real or imagined.

Second, oh fark OFF... there is no rational debate with coonts like you.


Because when I want rational debate about feminism, I refer to someone as a coont.

And that would be dick, if you want to be anatomically correct, sir. ^_^
2014-02-02 09:05:34 AM  
1 vote:

pxlboy: I've seen posts like that on Tumblr written without a hint of irony.


Tumblr is a wretched hive of sum, villainy, PC ridiculousness, and ACTUAL RadFem.

Hell. Even I make fun of those people, and I'm pretty into feminism and social justice causes.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The only really serious scenario for men's rights activists I can think of involves allegations of sexual contact with children.


That's the thing. There is no serious scenario for MRA. They really don't care about men's rights as a whole - they legitimately refer to any male who does not share their views as "traitors to their gender", akin to the whole "Traitor to their race" thing that is so popular in white supremacy. They just latch on to certain issues of judicial and social reform, such as the area you just mentioned, or false rape allegations, or family court reform issues, and like a parasite or a creationist wedge theory use it to promote their idea that treating women sub-human and like a pig is justified because of X and Y.
2014-02-02 09:04:22 AM  
1 vote:

Zasteva: Warlordtrooper: ghare: Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them

Thanks for mansplaining that.

How many feminists do you know that will argue for equality of men in cases where females have an advantage over males?

About half of the women I know who consider themselves feminist would, when confronted with those extremely rare circumstances.

Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.


Getting out of traffic violations?
2014-02-02 09:00:01 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: You mean the inequality in family court situations which MRAs tend to wank about as the reason they're general pigs to women?


The only really serious scenario for men's rights activists I can think of involves allegations of sexual contact with children.

Male child with female teacher, telling the truth= "Good job, slugger"
Male child with female teacher, lying = "Eh, she's innocent. Boys will be boys, but he needs a talking to"

Female child with male teacher, telling the truth = "Hang him high"
Female child with male teacher, lying = "Hang him high, just to be safe"

There IS a disproportionate burden for proof of innocence on men involved with care of children. And some of the more vindictive children learn that they can bully a male adult with threats of "he touched me". I've worked with children in previous jobs (and loved it), but I will admit to coming to a rational conclusion: if the threat of child molesting is real, it's better to murder the kid. Even if proven guilty, you can be a reformed murderer. And secondly, they'd perform an autopsy on the body and find claims of sexual contact are false. Small comfort, but it still beats being labeled "accused sex offender".
2014-02-02 08:59:45 AM  
1 vote:

Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them


Your post may be about a lot of things, but understanding anything in the article is not one of them.
2014-02-02 08:59:43 AM  
1 vote:
Going to brainwash my newborn daughter that light purple is better than pink. Don't mind pink, but lavender is in fact better.
2014-02-02 08:57:24 AM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.


Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thought occurs to me. If I had a little boy who wanted to wear dresses, or only wear pink, I would make sure I nurtured that.

Yup, another open-minded feminist.  She'd probably yell at you in the store if you told your boy he couldn't wear a dress, too.


Didn't actually read the article, did you two?

/show us on the doll where the feminist touched you.
2014-02-02 08:47:52 AM  
1 vote:

Slartibreakfast: "Mansplaining"... 90% of the time it is used as a feminists way of telling men to sit down, shut up, and learn their place.


Just hit her till sandwiches appear.
2014-02-02 08:46:19 AM  
1 vote:

XveryYpettyZ: Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thought occurs to me. If I had a little boy who wanted to wear dresses, or only wear pink, I would make sure I nurtured that.

Yup, another open-minded feminist.  She'd probably yell at you in the store if you told your boy he couldn't wear a dress, too.

You do realize that this is autobiographical, right?  She's admitting this to herself and to the reader.  It's like she's undergoing some growth and evolving her viewpoint as she confronts her own prejudices.  Gosh, what a horrible person.

/You might want to examine yourself, or at least your reading comprehension.


Reading comprehension has a well known feminist bias
2014-02-02 08:36:43 AM  
1 vote:
While not always the case, it seems to me that children wearing ridiculous clothing is the result of a parent being lazy and not wanting to deal with a tantrum. Yes, allowing children to make choices for themselves and self-identify is definitely necessary to raising a successful well adjusted adult. You also have to teach them to make the right choices. Sweaters and winter clothes in summer is not one of them, and it's your duty to explain *why*. Not because "people will look at you funny" or "people will judge you based on appearances", even though they will and that in itself can be cause of limits in life (news flash: appearances and how you present yourself matters!), but because "you'll get dehydrated if you try and play soccer in a parka. Now get in short sleeves and a t-shirt before I jump down your throat and stomp on your damn liver, asshole. You make daddy want to drink."
2014-02-02 08:35:29 AM  
1 vote:

maxheck: My little brother and his sweetie swore up and down that their daughters wouldn't go down that pink Disney Princess road.

Yeah, that lasted maybe three years.


No one can escape what the mouse has wrought. He watches us from upon high as we mortals quiver at his next seasonal toy line.
2014-02-02 08:31:33 AM  
1 vote:
This is like the polar opposite of that other mom who was worried that her kid girl was emotionally damaged since she didn't want a PINK bike, but instead wanted a blue one.
2014-02-02 08:27:29 AM  
1 vote:

PawisBetlog: looks like you got some sand in your vagina sugartits...


Well, I can see you failed fourth grade sexual education. ^_^

Since you're new here, allow me to elaborate: People like this are wet dream wank material for MRAs and general idiots, because they serve as living proof of the strawmen they like to construct about feminists.

Warlordtrooper: How many feminists do you know that will argue for equality of men in cases where females have an advantage over males?


You mean the inequality in family court situations which MRAs tend to wank about as the reason they're general pigs to women?
2014-02-02 08:23:06 AM  
1 vote:

Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them


Oh don't stop there. Tell us their sinister agenda.
2014-02-02 08:18:45 AM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.


Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them
2014-02-02 01:20:51 AM  
1 vote:
Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.
 
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