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(Salon)   Mother nearly falls into a fit of apoplexy and is forced to confront her irrational fear of the color pink when her daughter asks for a pink pair or "sparkly princess tennis shoes." Because FEMINISM   (salon.com) divider line 334
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2014-02-02 09:17:47 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist


She didn't buy them.  The conflict wasn't just her views, but with her forcing them on her daughter in a manner that really isn't something to fight a child over.  Shoes only have to be able to do the job you are asking of them and be in the price range that you wish to spend, after that, I don't really care what my daughter picks.  My daughter likes dresses, and clothes in bright colors including pink with peace symbols, but I don't care for it.  I reduce the girlie-ness by introducing her to sports watching with me and boxing, not watching boxing, actually putting on gloves and swinging at me.  Anyways, the child will decide for themselves who they are and the parent is to love them and teach them to be safe.  It drives me crazy watching people push their own agendas and taste on children that just doesn't want to spend two hours brushing really long hair.

Signed
-someone who read the article.

/my daughter like pink camouflage
 
2014-02-02 09:18:02 AM

hardinparamedic: onyxruby: ghare: Thanks for mansplaining that.

Mansplaining is an offensive word, used to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with feminism or questions how it actually deals with equality. It is however quite useful for letting the world know that the person using it is radical with no interest in equality.

Now that. That is riled up. Wow!


Men who have never had a woman show any interest in them are frequently angry little failures.
 
2014-02-02 09:19:06 AM

Yogimus: You refuse to work for other women, you partake in slut shaming, you actively destroy each other socially, and god help any woman that refuses to conform to social norms. I refer to feminists as cows not just for their general appearance, but for the herd instinct. You don't breastfeed? OSTRICIZE! You don't WANT a career? OSTRICIZE!

This of course applies only to feminists, because normal women are real human beings deserving of respect. (Cue the outcries of projection where you tell me what my interpretation of a normal woman is)


Sorry. No. THIS is riled up.

I was wrong about the previous riling of the ups.

I mean, I can feel the CAPS LOCK anger through my monitor from this one.
 
2014-02-02 09:19:47 AM

onyxruby: ghare: Thanks for mansplaining that.

Mansplaining is an offensive word, used to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with feminism or questions how it actually deals with equality. It is however quite useful for letting the world know that the person using it is radical with no interest in equality.


Excuse, I'm posting the satirical/ironic fake Poe responses here. Back off, claim jumper.
 
2014-02-02 09:20:50 AM

ghare: hardinparamedic: onyxruby: ghare: Thanks for mansplaining that.

Mansplaining is an offensive word, used to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with feminism or questions how it actually deals with equality. It is however quite useful for letting the world know that the person using it is radical with no interest in equality.

Now that. That is riled up. Wow!

Men who have never had a woman show any interest in them are frequently angry little failures.


I guess that explains a lot.
 
2014-02-02 09:20:50 AM

BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.


She actually covered that:

"What's all the panic about? Oh, you can probably already guess. I grew up wanting to be pretty and waiting to be rescued. I'd like something different for my daughters."

So she's insane, but knows it.   Thats half the battle.
 
2014-02-02 09:23:49 AM

lack of warmth: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist

She didn't buy them.  The conflict wasn't just her views, but with her forcing them on her daughter in a manner that really isn't something to fight a child over.  Shoes only have to be able to do the job you are asking of them and be in the price range that you wish to spend, after that, I don't really care what my daughter picks.  My daughter likes dresses, and clothes in bright colors including pink with peace symbols, but I don't care for it.  I reduce the girlie-ness by introducing her to sports watching with me and boxing, not watching boxing, actually putting on gloves and swinging at me.  Anyways, the child will decide for themselves who they are and the parent is to love them and teach them to be safe.  It drives me crazy watching people push their own agendas and taste on children that just doesn't want to spend two hours brushing really long hair.

Signed
-someone who read the article.

/my daughter like pink camouflage


Uh... She DID buy them. Aparrently you didn't read too closely.
 
2014-02-02 09:24:14 AM

hasty ambush: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

That sums up modern feminism for the most part


And that's how we know you didn't RTFA.
 
2014-02-02 09:24:22 AM

AntiGravitas: If you cannot let your daughter have these shoes because of your ideas, then you are just as controlled by gender conformity rules as anyone else.  You just react AGAINST rather than TO.  Either way you are not as enlightened as you think you are.


This.

/breaking down a wall allows you to be on both sides of it
 
2014-02-02 09:24:23 AM

Nabb1: I guess that explains a lot.


To be fair, that narcissism is a REAL thing in some people.

TheAmazingAtheist, famously, said that women are the real pigs because he's an attractive young man, and they won't even look at him.

How could you resist this face, ladies?

static.tvtropes.org
 
2014-02-02 09:26:04 AM

cannibalparrot: lack of warmth: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist

She didn't buy them.  The conflict wasn't just her views, but with her forcing them on her daughter in a manner that really isn't something to fight a child over.  Shoes only have to be able to do the job you are asking of them and be in the price range that you wish to spend, after that, I don't really care what my daughter picks.  My daughter likes dresses, and clothes in bright colors including pink with peace symbols, but I don't care for it.  I reduce the girlie-ness by introducing her to sports watching with me and boxing, not watching boxing, actually putting on gloves and swinging at me.  Anyways, the child will decide for themselves who they are and the parent is to love them and teach them to be safe.  It drives me crazy watching people push their own agendas and taste on children that just doesn't want to spend two hours brushing really long hair.

Signed
-someone who read the article.

/my daughter like pink camouflage

Uh... She DID buy them. Aparrently you didn't read too closely.


Well, I read half and got bored.  So.
 
2014-02-02 09:26:20 AM
Feminism is about Women deciding things for themselves. If your trying to stop your daughter from deciding what colour clothes she wants to wear then that is the exact opposite of feminism. This is now the state of affairs for most self described feminists. What they really want to do is tell other women how to behave feminism is pretty much dead and it's control freaks posing as "feminists" that are killing it.
 
2014-02-02 09:26:26 AM

Zasteva: Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.


Moving up the career ladder at a government job.  One of the thing government managers are evaluated on for their performance reviews is EEO.  If a woman/minority working for you gets promoted, you get an "exceeds expectations" and a good chance at a nice little bonus.

I'm not opposed to EEO in general, but in the specific it's annoying when you see less qualified people pass you by.  (I had no problem when the brighter ones passed me) I can't say I liked paying for the sins of the prior generation.  Level the playing field, sure, but let's not tilt it in the other direction.
 
2014-02-02 09:26:48 AM

pxlboy: Zasteva: Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.

pxlboy: Getting out of traffic violations?


Cannonball Run for the win!
 
2014-02-02 09:26:51 AM
To be fair, 'princess culture' is going pretty far in the US, in places. Not as far as in some places in South America and South-east Asia, but pretty far nonetheless.
 
2014-02-02 09:27:02 AM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist

3. Pink is just a color
4. LPGA or Tennis may help your cause


Until she sees Paula Creamer.
 
2014-02-02 09:29:04 AM

Zasteva: pxlboy: Zasteva: Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.

pxlboy: Getting out of traffic violations?

Cannonball Run for the win!


That was actually pretty damn funny. I would love to be the proverbial fly on the wall for that.
 
2014-02-02 09:29:25 AM

bbfreak: True feminism is something that benefits both men and women, and even transgender people. Unfortunately so many people, women and men included misunderstand what feminism is. You are one of them


So according to this woman, Feminism is the ability for her little girl to choose her own path, unless that path conflicts with mommy dearest's world view?  Oh, and also those same rules would apply to her son.

I see nothing wrong with this at all.
 
2014-02-02 09:29:25 AM

Nabb1: Two points: At least she has the awareness to self reflect on her feelings and opinions; and she nought her daughter those shoes. She's still a fairly judgmental person. My wife, a successful physician, mother and big fan of Disney Princesses would probably tell her to lighten up. You can let your daughters be themselves and still instill confidence in them.


I really feel like anyone complaining about Disney Princess Syndrome hasn't really watched anything Disney has put out in 20 years. I mean yeah, I get it, the original Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etc are pretty bad in retrospect. But between Sophia, Doc McStuffins, Tinkerbell, and Izzy from Jake and the Neverland Pirates, Disney essentially has a whole channel now that is trying to teach toddler girls how to solve problems, be confident in themselves, etc. Even recent direct to DVD stuff involving older properties like Cinderella or Ariel have the princesses kicking ass and taking names.
 
2014-02-02 09:30:16 AM

goatan: Feminism is about Women deciding things for themselves. If your trying to stop your daughter from deciding what colour clothes she wants to wear then that is the exact opposite of feminism. This is now the state of affairs for most self described feminists. What they really want to do is tell other women how to behave feminism is pretty much dead and it's control freaks posing as "feminists" that are killing it.


Beat me by minutes, but what you said too.
 
2014-02-02 09:30:27 AM
Feminists fought to open up possibilities for women and to create a culture where they have choices, something she is apparently against when it comes to her daughter.
 
2014-02-02 09:30:46 AM

onyxruby: ghare: Thanks for mansplaining that.

Mansplaining is an offensive word, used to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with feminism or questions how it actually deals with equality. It is however quite useful for letting the world know that the person using it is radical with no interest in equality.


You do realize this is Fark you are posting on, don't you?
 
2014-02-02 09:31:29 AM

ghare: Ah, little boys and their problems.


I'm sure you had the same dismissive attitude about how women were traditionally treated. If you had any interest at all in equality you would reflect on what you wrote and realize that being an ass about things shows your prejudice, inflames sexist attitudes and makes feminism look bad. Really what it does though is show that you have no interest in equality.
 
2014-02-02 09:32:54 AM

Zasteva: Warlordtrooper: ghare: Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them

Thanks for mansplaining that.

How many feminists do you know that will argue for equality of men in cases where females have an advantage over males?

About half of the women I know who consider themselves feminist would, when confronted with those extremely rare circumstances.

Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.


Family court, child custody, Obamacare (all that free stuff attached for women's health issues)etc.
Look at child support. In many states DNA evidence can prove a man is not the father of the child  but he  still can get stuck with child support.  When was the last time a woman got stuck paying child support for a child that was not hers?

Feminism like other similar movements is not so much about equal treatment under the law  but special treatment.

Look at the whole birth control abortion debate.  for the Feminist the battle cry is my body my business and men should not be making laws about women's bodies.  But when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their bodies  they sure don't object to the concept of male tax payers having to pay for them (Federally funded abortions)

 Here is a hint for you  girls if you use other people's money they are going to want some say so in how it is spent even if it used on your body.  If you are using your own money to engage in your own little form of eugenics feel free to tell them to STFU.

Of course should the woman decide to keep the child and not terminate it, she has all the power  in that decision/  Sure the guy choose to or not to exchange bodily fluids with a some slut but it takes to and since the woman is the one who gets pregnant (sorry girls but its science) One could argue she has a greater responsibility in the matter and since chicks want all the power/decision making authority when ti comes to keeping or killing the unborn child the can assume the financial responsibility to unless they are willing to share the authority.


I have notice that those who claim there is a war on women don't really claim about issues attacking equality but the free stuff and  special treatment issues (which they call women's issues) Maternity leave , child care etc..

Look at eh Violence Against Women Act. Not the Violence against domestic partners, shack ups or violence against  people or men act  but Women.

 Special funding for extra prosecution effort and enhanced penlites for violence against the alleged equal gender of female.

It is not about wanting equal treatment but want special treatment and free stuff.
 
2014-02-02 09:34:32 AM

jayhawk88: Nabb1: Two points: At least she has the awareness to self reflect on her feelings and opinions; and she nought her daughter those shoes. She's still a fairly judgmental person. My wife, a successful physician, mother and big fan of Disney Princesses would probably tell her to lighten up. You can let your daughters be themselves and still instill confidence in them.

I really feel like anyone complaining about Disney Princess Syndrome hasn't really watched anything Disney has put out in 20 years. I mean yeah, I get it, the original Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etc are pretty bad in retrospect. But between Sophia, Doc McStuffins, Tinkerbell, and Izzy from Jake and the Neverland Pirates, Disney essentially has a whole channel now that is trying to teach toddler girls how to solve problems, be confident in themselves, etc. Even recent direct to DVD stuff involving older properties like Cinderella or Ariel have the princesses kicking ass and taking names.


Rapunzel in "Tangled" is a string willed character, too. And "Frozen" really departed from the typical Disney princess archetype. On "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse," Minnie runs her own business. There are a lot of positive messages for little girls these days in Disney things.
 
2014-02-02 09:35:13 AM

Yogimus: I refer to feminists as cows not just for their general appearance, but for the herd instinct.


No, you refer to feminists as cows because you want to dehumanize them. It's nothing special. It's common for haters to dehumanize the subjects of their hatred.
 
2014-02-02 09:36:51 AM

hasty ambush: Family court, child custody, Obamacare (all that free stuff attached for women's health issues)etc.
Look at child support. In many states DNA evidence can prove a man is not the father of the child  but he  still can get stuck with child support.  When was the last time a woman got stuck paying child support for a child that was not hers?


In every one of those cases, the men who were ordered to pay child support had their names willingly placed on the birth certificate as the legal father of that child. You seem to leave that fact out.

hasty ambush: Look at the whole birth control abortion debate.  for the Feminist the battle cry is my body my business and men should not be making laws about women's bodies.  But when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their bodies  they sure don't object to the concept of male tax payers having to pay for them (Federally funded abortions)

 Here is a hint for you  girls if you use other people's money they are going to want some say so in how it is spent even if it used on your body.  If you are using your own money to engage in your own little form of eugenics feel free to tell them to STFU.


That's an incredibly long winded and idiotic way to tell us you have no clue what you're talking about, since the various Hyde amendments prohibit the federal funding of abortion outside of a court order or medical necessity.

hasty ambush: Look at eh Violence Against Women Act. Not the Violence against domestic partners, shack ups or violence against  people or men act  but Women.

 Special funding for extra prosecution effort and enhanced penlites for violence against the alleged equal gender of female.

It is not about wanting equal treatment but want special treatment and free stuff.


Okay, you can solve this easily.

Give me objective numbers on how many men versus how many women are abused each year in the United States. How many end up in the ER or in hospital because of that abuse? How many end up murdered or forced into prostitution?

I'll wait.
 
2014-02-02 09:37:25 AM
Headline: Mother nearly falls into a fit of apoplexy and is forced to confront her irrational fear of the color pink when her daughter asks for a pink pair or "sparkly princess tennis shoes." Because FEMINISM

Actual Article: Mother feels irrationally uncomfortable about pink shoes but then thinks about it and realizes she's being ridiculous.  Writes an article urging parents to love their children for who they are, rather than trying to shield them from everything they don't like in the world
 
2014-02-02 09:37:25 AM

hasty ambush: Look at the whole birth control abortion debate.  for the Feminist the battle cry is my body my business and men should not be making laws about women's bodies.  But when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their bodies  they sure don't object to the concept of male tax payers having to pay for them (Federally funded abortions)


I'm fine with women getting abortions.  If you want the child and the father doesn't though, he should be able to sign off on parental/financial responsibility.  I have both had a girlfriend have an abortion against my wishes and have been sued (falsely) for paternity.  I can assure you that men have absolutely no say whatsoever in family matters and the courts and healthcare professions treat us like second class citizens.
 
2014-02-02 09:39:33 AM

ghare: Men who have never had a woman show any interest in them are frequently angry little failures.


Wow, your up to third grade insults! Hate to brake it to you but I've had my share of women in my life, women as friends for decades and rely on women for professionals needs. I'm not the least bit misogynistic, even though I'm opposed to radical feminism. I'm about the most mellow person you'll meet in real life. Continue on with your fantasies though.
 
2014-02-02 09:40:04 AM

edmo: Feminists fought to open up possibilities for women and to create a culture where they have choices, something she is apparently against when it comes to her daughter.


Read the whole article.
 
2014-02-02 09:41:34 AM

AngryDragon: If you want the child and the father doesn't though, he should be able to sign off on parental/financial responsibility.  I have both had a girlfriend have an abortion against my wishes and have been sued (falsely) for paternity.  I can assure you that men have absolutely no say whatsoever in family matters and the courts and healthcare professions treat us like second class citizens.


And in reality, it doesn't work like that because our society got tired of leaving broke, uneducated, and multiple-child women thanks to men spreading their seed like little Johnny Apples across the United States, and having to pick up the tab.

And the wonderful thing about that is that you're actually arguing you should be able to violate the constitutional rights and basic human rights of a woman by forcing her to carry to term a fetus, but you say you're not treated fairly by the healthcare and legal establishment.

Hang on. I'm drinking in the irony of this.
 
2014-02-02 09:43:05 AM
hasty ambush: Zasteva:  Just for everyone's amusement, why don't you give us some examples of places were you think women have advantages over men.

hasty ambush: Family court, child custody, Obamacare (all that free stuff attached for women's health issues)etc.
Look at child support. In many states DNA evidence can prove a man is not the father of the child  but he  still can get stuck with child support.  When was the last time a woman got stuck paying child support for a child that was not hers?

Feminism like other similar movements is not so much about equal treatment under the law  but special treatment.

Look at the whole birth control abortion debate.  for the Feminist the battle cry is my body my business and men should not be making laws about women's bodies.  But when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their bodies  they sure don't object to the concept of male tax payers having to pay for them (Federally funded abortions)

 Here is a hint for you  girls if you use other people's money they are going to want some say so in how it is spent even if it used on your body.  If you are using your own money to engage in your own little form of eugenics feel free to tell them to STFU.

Of course should the woman decide to keep the child and not terminate it, she has all the power  in that decision/  Sure the guy choose to or not to exchange bodily fluids with a some slut but it takes to and since the woman is the one who gets pregnant (sorry girls but its science) One could argue she has a greater responsibility in the matter and since chicks want all the power/decision making authority when ti comes to keeping or killing the unborn child the can assume the financial responsibility to unless they are willing to share the authority.

I have notice that those who claim there is a war on women don't really claim about issues attacking equality but the free stuff and  special treatment issues (which they call women's issues) Maternity leave , child care etc..

Look at eh Violen ...


Yep, that was indeed amusing!
 
2014-02-02 09:43:49 AM

onyxruby: I'm not the least bit misogynistic, even though I'm opposed to radical feminism. I'm about the most mellow person you'll meet in real life.


You have no idea what radical feminism is if you think TFA is it.
 
2014-02-02 09:44:48 AM

hardinparamedic: onyxruby: I'm not the least bit misogynistic, even though I'm opposed to radical feminism. I'm about the most mellow person you'll meet in real life.

You have no idea what radical feminism is if you think TFA is it.


Ow, my brain.
 
2014-02-02 09:46:23 AM

hardinparamedic: Now that. That is riled up. Wow!


How is that riled up? Someone uses an offensive terms and I politely explain why it's offensive. I read several of your posts and I must say your the one that appears to be riled up. How about a civil discussion without personal attacks?
 
2014-02-02 09:49:03 AM

hardinparamedic: onyxruby: I'm not the least bit misogynistic, even though I'm opposed to radical feminism. I'm about the most mellow person you'll meet in real life.

You have no idea what radical feminism is if you think TFA is it.


Wow.

That chick needs to get laid. Badly.
 
2014-02-02 09:49:07 AM

Zasteva: You do realize this is Fark you are posting on, don't you?


I do, once upon a time the radicals were quickly shut down for being asshats and civil discussions about things were much more common. It's too bad that Fark doesn't go back to the no asshat days.
 
2014-02-02 09:49:29 AM
Why is it that when black people ask for equal rights, they are fighting for racial equality, and when gay people ask for equal rights, they are asking for sexual equality, but when women ask for equal rights, they decided to label themselves "Feminists"?

Why is it that, what I would consider to be called "being a decent human being", ie "treating women equally", has to be labelled as "feminism" by women?  It makes it sound like if a woman wants to fight for equality, she's on THEIR side.  Like she HAS to take sides.

Ladies, please stop using the feminism label.  The very wording of it makes it sound like it puts women above every other race and gender and identity.
 
2014-02-02 09:49:38 AM

onyxruby: How is that riled up? Someone uses an offensive terms and I politely explain why it's offensive. I read several of your posts and I must say your the one that appears to be riled up. How about a civil discussion without personal attacks?


Yep. Jimmies rustled. I'm totes furious. So like, mission accomplished /b/ro.^_^

If you want a civil discussion without "personal attacks", I, personally, wouldn't try to start one by expressing your righteous indignation that someone would use sarcasm and mocking towards a dismissive post towards someone who is just as fundamentalist on this site as the straw-men you have accused others of being, and then act with disbelief that someone would call your post, for lack of a better word, stupid.

But no. Please present your civil argument about Feminism and Equality. I'm all ears.
 
2014-02-02 09:50:22 AM
^from someone, not towards someone.
 
2014-02-02 09:51:38 AM

RockofAges: Brittabot: I'm pregnant with my 2nd child at the moment, first daughter, and I've been thinking a lot about the whole princess thing.

I farking HATE "princess culture", always have, even when I was a kid, and I absolutely will not encourage it with my little girl when she is very young. However, once she reaches an age where she's more influenced by her peers, if she wants to watch princess movies and play with princess things I won't forbid it and won't make her feel bad for liking these things (while still encouraging her to have other interests, of course).

I'll probably try to steer her more towards the more competent princesses though. Like Princess Bubblegum from Adventure Time. She smart, gets shiat done and doesn't take crap from anyone. If more princesses were written like her I'd have a lot fewer issues with the whole genre.

And man, pink is almost impossible to avoid! I'm aiming for a less than 25% concentration for her wardrobe at the moment but I'm not sure how I'll fare.

Yes. Actively steering your child away from normative behaviour is just so chic! It's the progressive thing to do nowadays. Bonus points for Adventure Time reference. The show is okay but fans (cultists) would drink the kool aid if someone told them it would take them to the land of Finn and Jake.

I have to say, this type of "modern" parenting is pretty hilarious. Just let the damn kids be themselves, discover their own personalities (unless shiat goes really "weird"). Making this enormous "cultural shaping and steerage" thing over colours, princesses, and girls liking girl toys is farking ludicrous.

I am so glad we didn't have this shiat going on to this degree in the 80s. Prince Adam was progressive enough for us.


Hey man, all I'm really saying is that I'm not going to INTRODUCE princess shiat to my daughter because I can't stand it. If she learns about it on her own eventually (which I'm sure she will) and is interested I'm certainly not going to stop her from watching princess stuff (and if I were the mom in TFA I would buy the pink sparkly princess shoes if that's what my kid really wanted). I do the same with my son, there are things I don't particularly like/get that I would never introduce him to on my own (like those freaking bey blades), but if he hears about it from his friends at school and wants to play with them it's fine with me. *shrugs*
 
2014-02-02 09:51:39 AM

No Such Agency: As the father of a two year old girl who I hope will grow up to be whatever she wants to be... it's almost impossible to avoid/resist the Pink.  It's everywhere, and unless you sew your own or make your girl dress in boys' clothes (options: military themed, construction themed, or Cars) you will have to give in at some point.


You forgot dinosaurs, skateboards, and dinosaurs riding skateboards.

Little kids' clothing seems to have gotten awfully boring. Girls' too.
 
2014-02-02 09:51:51 AM

hardinparamedic: And in reality, it doesn't work like that because our society got tired of leaving broke, uneducated, and multiple-child women thanks to men spreading their seed like little Johnny Apples across the United States, and having to pick up the tab


Yes.  The ready access to abortion and removal of any choice from the fathers has completely eliminated the scourge of single parent homes especially in the urban environments.   That's why the number of single parent homes has doubled since 1970.  Reality doesn't agree with your skewed perspective..

But it's the men's fault for spreading their seed and not the women's fault for spreading their legs?  If a woman has the right to choose, she should also have the responsibility of living with her choice 100%, especially if the other partner is unwilling.  Choice should go both ways.  Not "I have the right to choose, but I'm not doing this by myself!"
 
2014-02-02 09:55:29 AM

hardinparamedic: You have no idea what radical feminism is if you think TFA is it.


Wow, you are desperate this morning. I was raised by feminists, two of them. The organize the march and protest in the streets kind. My parents had me study feminism from when I was young. You could say it's something I've studied my entire life.

At no point did I ever say or infer anything about the article. There are fundamentally 2 schools of feminism. The first school is simply interested in equality between the sexes and wants to ensure this happens. The second school is interested in getting women as many as many special privileges over men as possible. I have no problem with the first school and with equality between the sexes. Which school are you in?
 
2014-02-02 09:55:37 AM
"Men will soon become the most disadvantaged group in the country when it comes to going to university, the head of UCAS predicts today." - http://ind.pn/1ecLUo6

Simply put, if women want equality they need to embrace a new platform of equality that is inclusive of men (which feminism isn't) or accept the existence of the MRA movement.

The amount of hate and vitriol that the MRA movement gets from feminists is quite simply disgusting. And the movement exists because men are being disadvantaged in a lot of areas that now matter more to them. When a dad, who is denied access to see his children, is ridiculed and attacked for trying to fix the inherent problems in the system it's obvious that despite feminism's claims to be for 'equality' it's blatantly not.

If you are a feminist and you dislike the MRA movement, realise it's a response to the fundamentally sexist nature of your own movement. If feminism was about equality the MRA movement wouldn't be a thing.
 
2014-02-02 09:56:15 AM

AngryDragon: Yes.  The ready access to abortion and removal of any choice from the fathers has completely eliminated the scourge of single parent homes especially in the urban environments.   That's why the number of single parent homes has doubled since 1970.  Reality doesn't agree with your skewed perspective..


Mm. I was referring more to child support and parental responsibility laws there, but you go right ahead and misrepresent what I say. It's usually par for the course for these conversations.

And the man does have a choice.

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Hell. If you're too cheap, you can get them from your local health department for free.

And if you're going to lecture on responsibility, at least see the irony in the fact you're arguing that you should be able to get someone pregnant whenever you want and not take your own responsibility for that.

AngryDragon: But it's the men's fault for spreading their seed and not the women's fault for spreading their legs?  If a woman has the right to choose, she should also have the responsibility of living with her choice 100%, especially if the other partner is unwilling.


Really dude? Your argument boils down to the fact that as a man, you are so enthralled and weakened by vagina that you can't control your basic human instincts to bang the woman at the first chance?

Christ. I can't imagine what it would be like to live with the mentality that getting my dick wet was more important than common sense.
 
2014-02-02 09:58:47 AM

pxlboy: hardinparamedic: onyxruby: I'm not the least bit misogynistic, even though I'm opposed to radical feminism. I'm about the most mellow person you'll meet in real life.

You have no idea what radical feminism is if you think TFA is it.

Ow, my brain.


Some girls just want to play the part of "the princess"  in the same way some want to play "the victim".

I raised two girls- "playing princess " seemed to all part of a development stage they go through.  "P.P." was not about just wearing sequined Disney clothing, but also meant wearing skirts and dresses only- as only boys wear pants-- and doing really girlie things like playing house or with make-up.  Enjoy the phase as it only lasts a few years- then it's tight jeans, sports gear, and t-shirts.  At 16 and 18, we're finally starting to see a renaissance in which they will wear skirts for formal occasions or job hunting.
 
2014-02-02 09:59:30 AM

meep3d: If you are a feminist and you dislike the MRA movement, realise it's a response to the fundamentally sexist nature of your own movement. If feminism was about equality the MRA movement wouldn't be a thing.


You should seek out employment in a dictatorship somewhere. That kind of propaganda writing doesn't come easily. Herr Goebbels would be proud.

onyxruby: Wow, you are desperate this morning. I was raised by feminists, two of them. The organize the march and protest in the streets kind. My parents had me study feminism from when I was young. You could say it's something I've studied my entire life.


So either you're full of shiat, or you read at or below a fourth grade level. Which is it? Because it's either ONE or the other with the way you've been ranting in this thread.
 
2014-02-02 10:00:03 AM

ghare: hardinparamedic: onyxruby: ghare: Thanks for mansplaining that.

Mansplaining is an offensive word, used to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with feminism or questions how it actually deals with equality. It is however quite useful for letting the world know that the person using it is radical with no interest in equality.

Now that. That is riled up. Wow!

Men who have never had a woman show any interest in them are frequently angry little failures.


So women just like successful men?
 
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