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(Salon)   Mother nearly falls into a fit of apoplexy and is forced to confront her irrational fear of the color pink when her daughter asks for a pink pair or "sparkly princess tennis shoes." Because FEMINISM   (salon.com) divider line 333
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2014-02-02 12:08:59 AM
Do people actually read slate or is it some type of autoerotic literary outlet for the people who write that drivel?
 
2014-02-02 12:21:19 AM

feckingmorons: Do people actually read slate or is it some type of autoerotic literary outlet for the people who write that drivel?


This is Salon, but it's a fair question here too.
 
2014-02-02 12:38:00 AM

violentsalvation: feckingmorons: Do people actually read slate or is it some type of autoerotic literary outlet for the people who write that drivel?

This is Salon, but it's a fair question here too.


I like Glenn Greenwald's columns, he wrote for Salon for awhile.
 
2014-02-02 12:53:05 AM
1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist
 
2014-02-02 01:20:51 AM
Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.
 
2014-02-02 02:28:10 AM
Another uncomfortable thought occurs to me. If I had a little boy who wanted to wear dresses, or only wear pink, I would make sure I nurtured that.

Yup, another open-minded feminist.  She'd probably yell at you in the store if you told your boy he couldn't wear a dress, too.
 
2014-02-02 07:16:07 AM
Two points: At least she has the awareness to self reflect on her feelings and opinions; and she nought her daughter those shoes. She's still a fairly judgmental person. My wife, a successful physician, mother and big fan of Disney Princesses would probably tell her to lighten up. You can let your daughters be themselves and still instill confidence in them.
 
2014-02-02 08:05:11 AM
Take a Xanax, lady.
 
2014-02-02 08:17:36 AM
Oh good, another strawman RadFem that everyone can use to claim represents the actual philosophy of Feminism and dismiss arguments about civil and wage inequality, impropriety in prosecution of rape and abuse cases, and other bullshiat.
 
2014-02-02 08:18:28 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: 1. They're just shoes.
2. You don't have to buy them.

Signed,
- a feminist


3. Pink is just a color
4. LPGA or Tennis may help your cause
 
2014-02-02 08:18:37 AM

feckingmorons: Do people actually read slate


No, especially people who submit Salon articles
 
2014-02-02 08:18:45 AM

BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.


Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them
 
2014-02-02 08:22:06 AM

Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them


Thanks for mansplaining that.
 
2014-02-02 08:22:32 AM
Nutters come in all varieties. They are the spice of life.
 
2014-02-02 08:23:06 AM

Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them


Oh don't stop there. Tell us their sinister agenda.
 
2014-02-02 08:23:53 AM
"She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, where she is working on her first novel."

Hmm, sometimes I worry about how mankind seems to be regressing into autocracy because of the indifference of most people to the loss of the freedoms they gained over the last several centuries, but I guess sparkly pink princess shoes are just as valid a concern to San Francisco writers.
 
2014-02-02 08:24:13 AM

hardinparamedic: Oh good, another strawman RadFem that everyone can use to claim represents the actual philosophy of Feminism and dismiss arguments about civil and wage inequality, impropriety in prosecution of rape and abuse cases, and other bullshiat.


looks like you got some sand in your vagina sugartits...
 
2014-02-02 08:24:40 AM
Almost as fun as when I find a serious researcher who tries to rationalize the pink/blue dimorphism as either a evolutionary selection or some shiat like "blue dyes were expensive and reserved for boys, but pinks were cheap and leftover for girls". You know, because the trend of dressing small children differently is modern. Before 1930 we saw girls dressed in "calming blues" and pink was a warm male color.

For example, before colorization Shirley Temple didn't wear loads of pink.


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2014-02-02 08:24:43 AM
Damn, it's a good thing the kid wasn't looking at a bicycle instead of shoes.
 
2014-02-02 08:25:24 AM

ghare: Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them

Thanks for mansplaining that.


How many feminists do you know that will argue for equality of men in cases where females have an advantage over males?
 
2014-02-02 08:25:47 AM
I barely made it a few paragraphs in, but I find it strange that she lets her children wear whatever they want, unless it's the Barbie pink crap. How about being a parent and help guide your child into appropriate social behaviour, like not wearing pajamas in public, and that sometimes you can't do whatever you want (like wearing boots in the summer), so you just have to live with it?
 
2014-02-02 08:25:56 AM
Wow, that article was a really long winded way of explaining "author is from the San Francisco Bay Area.
 
2014-02-02 08:26:33 AM
 
2014-02-02 08:27:29 AM

PawisBetlog: looks like you got some sand in your vagina sugartits...


Well, I can see you failed fourth grade sexual education. ^_^

Since you're new here, allow me to elaborate: People like this are wet dream wank material for MRAs and general idiots, because they serve as living proof of the strawmen they like to construct about feminists.

Warlordtrooper: How many feminists do you know that will argue for equality of men in cases where females have an advantage over males?


You mean the inequality in family court situations which MRAs tend to wank about as the reason they're general pigs to women?
 
2014-02-02 08:27:35 AM

I Am The Bishop Of East Anglia: "She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, where she is working on her first novel."

Hmm, sometimes I worry about how mankind seems to be regressing into autocracy because of the indifference of most people to the loss of the freedoms they gained over the last several centuries, but I guess sparkly pink princess shoes are just as valid a concern to San Francisco writers.


I like the fact that it convienently leaves out the mention of the guy who helped her have those 2 kids, and is supporting her and her kids shoe shopping sprees while she tries to find herself most likely somewhere in her late 30s, working on her first novel.
 
2014-02-02 08:27:40 AM
As the father of a two year old girl who I hope will grow up to be whatever she wants to be... it's almost impossible to avoid/resist the Pink.  It's everywhere, and unless you sew your own or make your girl dress in boys' clothes (options: military themed, construction themed, or Cars) you will have to give in at some point.
 
2014-02-02 08:28:32 AM
Your mom-blog sucks, and you are a double-standard pushing idiot.  You are not helping, stop.
 
2014-02-02 08:29:34 AM
Wow. Just wow.
 
2014-02-02 08:30:03 AM
If you cannot let your daughter have these shoes because of your ideas, then you are just as controlled by gender conformity rules as anyone else.  You just react AGAINST rather than TO.  Either way you are not as enlightened as you think you are.
 
2014-02-02 08:31:33 AM
This is like the polar opposite of that other mom who was worried that her kid girl was emotionally damaged since she didn't want a PINK bike, but instead wanted a blue one.
 
2014-02-02 08:33:17 AM
My little brother and his sweetie swore up and down that their daughters wouldn't go down that pink Disney Princess road.

Yeah, that lasted maybe three years.
 
2014-02-02 08:33:59 AM
Feminism is a shield weak willed women use to protect themselves against the world.
 
2014-02-02 08:35:07 AM
That was very feminist of her to describe her daughter as physically attractive.  Because at the root of it, that's what really counts...

She needs to continue her journey of self discovery, she's young still, she has time.

I raised two princesses decades ago, they're feminists now.  Every little girl is a princess, but as a parent, it was up to me to define what "princess culture" was.  Princesses have responsibilities, they have to earn trust, they have learn to work hard and think for themselves.  In short, you can be willing to lay down your life for your princess, but you can't shelter them from the the world.  Let them escape for a few hours in the princess movies or with sparkly pink shoes.  You're teaching them critical thinking after all, they'll work it all out on their own.
 
2014-02-02 08:35:29 AM

maxheck: My little brother and his sweetie swore up and down that their daughters wouldn't go down that pink Disney Princess road.

Yeah, that lasted maybe three years.


No one can escape what the mouse has wrought. He watches us from upon high as we mortals quiver at his next seasonal toy line.
 
2014-02-02 08:36:11 AM
The kid is 3. Just concentrate on the big stuff, like not screaming in restaurants. The princess shoes thing will sort itself out.
 
2014-02-02 08:36:43 AM
While not always the case, it seems to me that children wearing ridiculous clothing is the result of a parent being lazy and not wanting to deal with a tantrum. Yes, allowing children to make choices for themselves and self-identify is definitely necessary to raising a successful well adjusted adult. You also have to teach them to make the right choices. Sweaters and winter clothes in summer is not one of them, and it's your duty to explain *why*. Not because "people will look at you funny" or "people will judge you based on appearances", even though they will and that in itself can be cause of limits in life (news flash: appearances and how you present yourself matters!), but because "you'll get dehydrated if you try and play soccer in a parka. Now get in short sleeves and a t-shirt before I jump down your throat and stomp on your damn liver, asshole. You make daddy want to drink."
 
2014-02-02 08:36:57 AM

Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thought occurs to me. If I had a little boy who wanted to wear dresses, or only wear pink, I would make sure I nurtured that.

Yup, another open-minded feminist.  She'd probably yell at you in the store if you told your boy he couldn't wear a dress, too.


You do realize that this is autobiographical, right?  She's admitting this to herself and to the reader.  It's like she's undergoing some growth and evolving her viewpoint as she confronts her own prejudices.  Gosh, what a horrible person.

/You might want to examine yourself, or at least your reading comprehension.
 
2014-02-02 08:37:11 AM
Mommy blogger? Not reading
 
2014-02-02 08:38:59 AM
What i want to know is why this mother is so obviously transphobic and hateful to her proud queer toddler

It's OBVIOUS that her 3 year old daughter is gender self identified as female, and needs to be supported as a FtF transition candidate.  I would even go so far as to say that the child should start hormone replacement therapy so as not to miss the critical window to be able to look as girly as possible despite her bad luck to be born as the wrong sex.


Without the support this little GIRL(yes really, you can call someone like this by the gender they choose) needs, she could die. What do you cis people even know about these issues.
 
2014-02-02 08:42:23 AM
First world problems.
 
2014-02-02 08:42:27 AM
My wife grew up wearing pinks and purples, and can sing every song Disney has ever produced by heart.  She's also an Army officer with a Combat Action Badge, served with a Field Artillery battalion and an infantry brigade, and does Tough Mudder and Spartan runs for fun.  She still loves pink sparkly stuff, and went with a friend to the Frozen Sing Along last night.  This woman reads way too much into color choices.
 
2014-02-02 08:43:41 AM
This actually reminds me of an acquaintance from years back that wanted to raise their child gender neutral. If they started playing more with "Boy Toys", they would push more "Girl Toys" on them, and vice versa. Every now and then I wonder how that turned out.
 
2014-02-02 08:44:00 AM

ghare: Warlordtrooper: BizarreMan: Talk about a self-hating woman.

So she's okay with her son wearing dresses and pink (if she had one) but her daughter can't.

Feminism might be about a lot of things but true equality is not one of them

Thanks for mansplaining that.


"Mansplaining"... 90% of the time it is used as a feminists way of telling men to sit down, shut up, and learn their place.
 
2014-02-02 08:44:18 AM
She would die if she saw my 8yos room. Pink curtains, pink bunk bed, pink fan, pink butterflies.

Hell if my son wanted his room pink id be ok with that too.

Its just a color. Get over it.

/purle is best though
 
2014-02-02 08:44:44 AM

lanabanabutt: Wow, that article was a really long winded way of explaining "author is from the San Francisco Bay Area.


I'm from Berkeley and I say yeah this.
 
2014-02-02 08:46:08 AM

Slartibreakfast: "Mansplaining"... 90% of the time it is used as a feminists way of telling men to sit down, shut up, and learn their place.


You sound incensed that someone would tell you to STFU when talking about something you're blatantly wrong about or trying to spin.
 
2014-02-02 08:46:19 AM

XveryYpettyZ: Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thought occurs to me. If I had a little boy who wanted to wear dresses, or only wear pink, I would make sure I nurtured that.

Yup, another open-minded feminist.  She'd probably yell at you in the store if you told your boy he couldn't wear a dress, too.

You do realize that this is autobiographical, right?  She's admitting this to herself and to the reader.  It's like she's undergoing some growth and evolving her viewpoint as she confronts her own prejudices.  Gosh, what a horrible person.

/You might want to examine yourself, or at least your reading comprehension.


Reading comprehension has a well known feminist bias
 
2014-02-02 08:47:36 AM

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2014-02-02 08:47:45 AM

willfullyobscure: What i want to know is why this mother is so obviously transphobic and hateful ...


I know you're thrilled to think you've found someone who shares your POV, just keep it down for a few more hours. The grownups are sleeping.
 
2014-02-02 08:47:52 AM

Slartibreakfast: "Mansplaining"... 90% of the time it is used as a feminists way of telling men to sit down, shut up, and learn their place.


Just hit her till sandwiches appear.
 
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