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(The New York Times)   Woody Allen's adoptive daughter gives new disturbing details on the sexual abuse he allegedly inflicted on her   (kristof.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 92
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2014-02-02 11:44:51 AM
8 votes:
Here are my thoughts for what they're worth.

1. Woody Allen has/had some boundary issues in his life. If you don't think marrying the stepdaughter of your girlfriend is farking weird, then you need to get your head checked. His "creep" label has been well earned regardless of the veracity of Dylan's claims.

2. Mia Farrow strikes me as the type of hysterical lunatic who wouldn't think twice about inflating the story of abuse Woody inflicted upon her children as a way to punish him for his 'crime' of marrying Soon-Yi. I suspect that there probably was something strange about the way he interacted with Dylan, but I wager that the magnitude of it has been severely amplified. I have no doubt that Mia was constantly in her kids' ears for the past 20 years reminding them of what a scumbag Woody is. No amount of inappropriate behavior is acceptable, but the order in which this sequence of events has played out should give any logical person a moment of pause before wanting to burn Woody at the stake.

3. Dylan is a victim either way. She's either suffered legitimate sexual abuse from her creepy stepfather or mental abuse from her loony mother. Maybe a combination of both. I truly feel awful for the girl because there will never be any resolution to this story for her.

4. None of this will affect Woody's career at all.
2014-02-01 11:26:51 PM
7 votes:
I'm inclined to believe her...what does she have to gain?  There was evidence that he did sexually assault her but it was dropped.
2014-02-02 06:24:55 AM
6 votes:

YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html



That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.

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2014-02-02 02:17:39 AM
6 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.

You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?

We needed "this thread again" until one got greened.


But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo (of Allen with his daughter Bechet in his lap* which he continues to allege is his wife as a child) in this thread like he has in every other one? Yeah, that thread again. I don't know what did or didn't happen -- the fact that nothing came of the case doesn't necessarily clear him as far as I'm concerned -- but it's more than a little bit lame if that's what you resort to to try and make a point, wouldn't you agree?

*for reference, see also: NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)
2014-02-02 12:37:16 AM
6 votes:
You don't go from this:

rememberinghistory.files.wordpress.com

To This:
storyflakes.files.wordpress.com

Without some thing going on.

The Citation of the first photo is here: http://rememberinghistory.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/on-this-day-in-199 7 -woody-allen-marries-his-adopted-step-daughter-soon-yi-previn/
2014-02-01 11:18:42 PM
6 votes:

doglover: If it's true, call the police. There's literally nothing you can tell me about Woody Allen short of actionable crimes I don't already just assume. He's like a mix of Garey Busey weird, Mel Brooks Jewish, and Jeff Dahlmer creepy.


Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma.  Money has it's privileges. Mia was painted as a nut case in the trails..however even then the judges wouldn't award custody of their biological children to Woody. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20782501,00.html
2014-02-02 03:45:40 AM
5 votes:
I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.
2014-02-02 02:52:52 AM
5 votes:
2014-02-01 10:59:59 PM
5 votes:
If it's true, call the police. There's literally nothing you can tell me about Woody Allen short of actionable crimes I don't already just assume. He's like a mix of Garey Busey weird, Mel Brooks Jewish, and Jeff Dahlmer creepy.
2014-02-02 12:02:16 PM
4 votes:
Special thanks to Darth Macho, who Boobiesed this:

If you want "Star Wars vs. Annie Hall" outrage look at how the public treats the creators.

Woody Allen: molests his daughter while grooming his adopted daughter to be his wife; makes a movie about a neurotic New Yorker. Result: acclaimed by fans as genius and hailed as a visionary artist.

George Lucas: adopts children, donates to charities and by all accounts is an ethical man; makes a movie with Jar Jar Binks. Result: reviled by fans as a monster and will have to be buried in concrete to avoid corpse desecration.

Think on that.
2014-02-02 06:44:00 AM
4 votes:

broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?


http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)
2014-02-02 06:43:42 AM
4 votes:
So, if I understand the Allen proponents correctly; Dylan Farrow was not abused but simply a misguided tool of her vindictive mother and Woody isnt a pedophile, he only married a much younger woman.

If I got that correct; it seems so neat and tidy that I have to wonder where all the outrage was supposedly manufactured from?

As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

But I can say this with all certainty.  I have never cared for Woody Allen's work.  He's like Mel Brooks only without the funny.
2014-02-02 04:27:19 AM
4 votes:
A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.
2014-02-02 03:07:42 AM
4 votes:
When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.
2014-02-01 11:38:38 PM
4 votes:

doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.


Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.
2014-02-03 11:05:06 AM
3 votes:

Phoenix_M: nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.

He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He married the adult adopted daughter of his ex girl friend whom he didn't meet until she was a teenager.



It wasn't "his girlfriend" it was a woman whom he had a child with. Close enough to a wife in my book, making the adopted girl his adopted daughter by default. His son considered Soon his sister.  In either case if you knew somebody personally that did that you would think it was creepy. For some reason celebrities get a pass on this kind of stuff. This is not healthy behavior.

Oh yeah, I remember meeting the love of my life. She was 14 and I was 40. I just knew one day that I would bang her.

Definitely a real class act and not a weirdo at all.
2014-02-02 06:03:37 PM
3 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.


THIS. I could give a frack about Mia Farrow, and yeah, she's always seemed kind of nuts.  But that doesn't mean Dylan is making anything up. What reason does she have (other than perhaps knowing the public has been discussing her past as of late, and thinking...hey, maybe I should stand up to myself and tell these farkers what really happened.)


She can't take him to court, as the statute of limitations has long since passed. Her mom's Mia Farrow, so I'm pretty sure she's not in need of cash.  I really don't see the point in coming forward sharing graphic, painful stories, knowing you will face judgement from strangers all over the internet if the allegations aren't true. There's nothing for her to gain.
2014-02-02 04:38:56 PM
3 votes:
Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.
2014-02-02 11:01:50 AM
3 votes:

demonfaerie: log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.

Well there is always a chance that the girl was molested, but it wasn't Woody; she just chose him as an easy way to tell she was molested without being attacked by the real person who molested her. There is a chance she was so afraid of the person who did molest her, that she picked the closet and safest male figure in her life to say who did it. However, there is a chance Woody did molest her, but no one really knows except the people involved in this situation. We will probably never know what actually happened, so we really shouldn't speculate.


The fact the abuse did not surface until the middle of a child custody hearing would lend one to be a bit suspicious as it is a rather common technique used to deny custody and visitation rights.
2014-02-02 09:29:34 AM
3 votes:
I read the Daily Beast article. The author threw in so much other smarmy stuff, it's obvious he's biased in favor of Woody.

The one conclusion I have is that Mia Farrow has the toxic relationship attitude toward Woody, although it may not be returned. That doesn't speak to whether Woody molested kids. In any case he married his GF's adopted daughter at a young age and that's pretty gross.

\will be waiting to see if the other shoe drops when Woody's current adopted kids get older ...
2014-02-02 08:53:41 AM
3 votes:
I tend to believe Dylan, for the simple fact that Woody Allen is a creepy little fark that would do something like that.

/oh you know it's true.
2014-02-02 03:29:13 AM
3 votes:

darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.


And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?
2014-02-02 01:05:46 AM
3 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.

What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.


Thats a perfectly valid point.  Take the O.J. Simpson case.  Some said he should be expelled from the Hall of Fame and his records expunged.  I'd disagree.  A bad persons achievements should stand.  As well as their evils.

But certainly, IMO, no excuses or leniency given to people who've done evil -regardless of anything else.

Sometimes a lot can be learned by looking at where the protectionism comes from, especially in terms of the motivation for that protection.
2014-02-01 11:53:50 PM
3 votes:

DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!


Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.
2014-02-01 11:47:56 PM
3 votes:
Is the statute of limitations expired here? If so, how about civil court?

Why should Woody Allen get treated any different than Catholic priests?
2014-02-01 11:20:47 PM
3 votes:

optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

2014-02-03 09:26:23 AM
2 votes:
So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.
2014-02-02 09:31:39 PM
2 votes:
Three things:

1.  Can we stop with the "Rape/Rape" nonsense?  In a discussion involving the specific statutory provision (under California Criminal Laws) involved in the Polanski case, Whoopi noted that Polanski had only plead guilty to one of the SIX crimes for which he was indicted.   One of the original SIX for which he was charged was for the crime of rape, however, that is not the crime to which he had entered his guilty plea.  She was simply trying to clarify the SPECIFIC violation involved (which turned out to be "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor") to which Polanski had agreed to accept as part of his plea bargain.

Guess What?   She was 100% correct, Polanski did not plead guilty to the criminal charge of rape. Whoopi taking the time and making an effort to make certain that the correct legal language was used in an accurate basis, should be something that should be commended, not ridiculed. (and I am no fan of hers.)


2.  Shared a law office with a divorce attorney in the mid 80's when I was just starting out.  I can't tell you the number of cases where he said that a female client was trying to get him to allege "child sexual abuse" as part of their divorce proceedings because they knew it would instantly get the husband on the defensive.   Most of the time the women would admit outright they had no evidence or even a reason to actually believe their husbands were molesting the kids, but they either wanted their pound of flesh (for unrelated reasons) or they thought it would be an easy way to force a settlement in their favor in a big way.

If you think kids at that age can't be convinced (and implanted) with stories that have no truth to the point they completely believe that such things happened themselves, then I suggest you read up on what happened in Kern County, CA around that era and how many completely innocent people ended up in jail due to that very thing.

3.  The fact that the adopted son, who was age 15 when all of this went down, is now on the side of Woody and mentions that "brain washing" was going on, says a lot to me in helping me form my opinion.  I saw way too much of that crap in the early days of my law practice when kids were used by a scorned spouse to make allegations against men on a daily basis.
2014-02-02 06:48:53 PM
2 votes:
Both Mia and Woody Allen are farking nuts, that doesn't mean Dylan's claims shouldn't be taken any less seriously than anyone else.

Hell Sandusky was able to keep his molestation a secret for decades, despite parental allegations, until a witness came forward.

Considering how horribly people treat victims (see this thread, Steubenville, maryville, New Zealand) it isn't too much of a strech for the cops to decline to prosecute a well-off person.
2014-02-02 04:44:38 PM
2 votes:

Komplex: Carth: Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.

Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.

Right now I can't find any press accounts of when the scandal was made public, but according to this Mia found out about the affair in January 1992, the main claim of abuse happened in August 1992.


That is what i meant the timeline doesn't add up.

So Mia finds pornographic pictures of Soon-Yi  taken by Allen in January. Allen refuses to sign the agreement giving up custody and giving Mia  $200,000 for each movie he makes and shortly after the video tape comes out. Here is an article from when the story first broke in November 1992.

I have a hard time believe the guy who has the entire world looking at him during a messy breakup caused by him taking his old girlfriends step daughter decides to molest a 7 year old in the 5-10 minutes they are alone together. If he was that sick I'd expect a bunch of allegations to have come out during the past decade. He would have to either be sick, stupid or both to have improper contact with any kids during the Soon-Yi dating years.
2014-02-02 12:11:51 PM
2 votes:

Frederick: But I can say this with all certainty.  I have never cared for Woody Allen's work.  He's like Mel Brooks only without the funny.


THIS.

/ for some reason, I just don't find neurotic NYC characters amusing....(just punchable)
2014-02-02 11:40:16 AM
2 votes:

broktune: YAWN! Yes, you're smarter than me, you win. (BTW, why the personal attacks when I didn't insult you, only the good friend of a potential pedo? Must people prove their superior intelligence. We get it, you're a genius, probably a real doctor known around the globe...UGH! Never having the guts to say that in person of course. Keep it up.) I wouldn't say "He did it." I don't know the facts. I just don't go to bat for potential pedos. You do. This should be a proud moment for you. "I really told that Broktune guy off on Fark. Hey Lenny, this guy thinks that Woody Allen might have molested a little girl and didn't like a couple points in an article. Yeah, I called him an idiot. Oh yeah, I got him....look he's so upset, he wrote a paragraph about me. I win. Where's my shotgun, I need to brush my teeth."


Simply put, you insult the intelligence of everyone reading your remarks. Sorry if that ruffles your feathers. "I don't know the facts," but you're more than willing to  jump on someone with both feet by repeating things that were very clearly discounted at various points in the very text you're complaining about. I'm not sure how you can claim higher moral ground with that technique no matter what someone is accused of. Nor when someone pointing out any of this is responded to with a suggestion they brush their teeth with a shotgun.

"you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!"

Do you? Must be a big fan. I have no idea. But to keep playing the eccentric New Yorker card is old. He knows what Twitter is was my point.


Settle down, hoss. You're so whipped up that you're pulling other people's comments and attributing them to me? Very sloppy, angry guy.

So he didn't raise her? So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment? About how many times a week did they see each other? How many times did they have dinner together when she was a child? People are very quick to dismiss their relationship around here.

As has been noted repeatedly, that photo is of Allen with his adopted daughter Bechet on his lap and it was taken around 2008. One more time, here's a similar photo of the two, but with an actual attribution rather than "what some dude on the internet told me": NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage) You don't help yourself when this is typical of all your arguments, which is why I suggested you do everyone, yourself included, a big favor and leave it very simply at "I don't like him."  No-one would think the worse of you, no-one would blame you, and no-one would think you less quick.

Phew.
2014-02-02 10:47:48 AM
2 votes:
Sexual assault aside, Woody Allen is still a really creepy guy.
2014-02-02 10:05:08 AM
2 votes:

Egalitarian: read the Daily Beast article. The author threw in so much other smarmy stuff, it's obvious he's biased in favor of Woody.


Yeah, that was what I thought too, this being my favorite:

FTA: "The only parent-child tensions I've been privy to are that his girls think their father's mean for not letting them have a dog, and that he's an idiot for not knowing how to work a computer. Lest anyone accuse me of being in Woody's pocket, I'll confess that I side with his kids on both counts."

'Look at me, I'm an impartial judge of whether Woody Allen molested a kid because, get this, I think he's crap at using computers'
2014-02-02 07:47:17 AM
2 votes:
If this is true it's horrible and he should go to prison. But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks
2014-02-02 07:42:40 AM
2 votes:

broktune: Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."


Celine Dion.
2014-02-02 07:04:31 AM
2 votes:

GungFu: as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted.


*sigh*

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir,  until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"
2014-02-02 06:56:06 AM
2 votes:

log_jammin: GungFu: That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.

that very well may be true, but that doesn't make him wrong.



Maybe not wrong factually but wrong by skewing those facts ie, as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted. If Mia has a problem with it, Woody's pedofilia got the better of him.

So, yeah, he's a creepy fark.
2014-02-02 06:50:09 AM
2 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: /although I did notice the author pimped his documentary with Woody in the first paragraph or so.


It's called disclosure. Anyway, people who believe Mia remind me of

i18.photobucket.com
2014-02-02 05:21:48 AM
2 votes:

gund: Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.


Really? You can't think of a single instance in history of repeated lies being used for political, social or legal gain to the point of being accepted as truth?
2014-02-02 04:56:48 AM
2 votes:

worlddan: I have no sympathy for people who keep trying to smear someone's name. There is a time that is called "put up or shut up". It is the height of irony that they claim that they cannot prosecute because of subjecting the child to further trauma and yet said child has no problem subjecting herself to further trauma by bringing the topic up again and again. So either the mother and and daughter are sadists or they have some other agenda.

In my observation and experience genuine victims want to move on with their lives sooner or later. Constantly picking at a wound can do him no harm and only make them look bad..In fact, they are probably helping Woody under the theory that bad publicity is better than no publicity.


The "child", as I understand, is now in her twenties.

Also, she had already been questioned by likely dozens of doctors, police, therapists, her other relatives, etc. That's before taking to Allen, her mom, or the lawyers from either side trying to make her say something to help their case. And then a trial will force her to do it all over again. And appeal will prolong it.

I wish she testified, but remember that this is a seven year old. She had no ability to see how her decisions in a courtroom might impact other children or victims.
2014-02-02 04:28:11 AM
2 votes:

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


On the other hand, Mia does still think Roman Polanski is being wrongly persecuted.  The hypocrisy stinks when the shoe's on the other foot...
2014-02-02 04:08:16 AM
2 votes:
It's just weird the internet has so much power to distort. His relationship with soon-yi especially. Not his daughter. Not his step-daughter. Didn't hang out with her until after she was legal. He's guilty of dating and marrying someone a lot younger than him. So what. All the old guys here would do so if they weren't in a relationship. Mia Farrow was married to much older men too.

So after Woody Allen humiliates Mia Farrow by dating her adopter daughter, the molestation charges appear. No doubt at all.

Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.
2014-02-02 03:56:00 AM
2 votes:

log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.


Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.
2014-02-02 03:09:08 AM
2 votes:
Bieber's been in the press a lot lately, now they're bringing out this smelly 20-year-old cheese.

The military-industrial complex must have some serious shiat going on that they're trying to distract us from.
2014-02-02 12:38:12 AM
2 votes:

jaylectricity: Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.

I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.


I think the important thing here is that your own sexual abuse has left you with healthy thoughts about children and sexuality.

/I think a 13 year old would realize deliberately spraying her groin has a sexual connotation.
2014-02-02 12:23:25 AM
2 votes:
I couldn't make it to the second paragraph
2014-02-02 12:10:37 AM
2 votes:

jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.


Dude....she was seven.
2014-02-02 12:07:33 AM
2 votes:
I was molested at the age of three. I spent the next couple decades thinking about that every single day. But at first it wasn't until somebody told me it was wrong that it damaged me.

What if making a big deal out of it was the reason it has such lasting effects on the victim?

Let me make a distinction. Penetrating a young orifice and hurting a child is definitely wrong. But what if we're just talking about playful spraying on a 13 year-old girl's groin area with the sprinkler from the yard? The only reason that's damaging is because we convince ourselves so. Because she has to live with the pain of being wanted by an uncle who has no way of fulfilling his fantasy.

Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

I'll admit...I'm a little creeped out by typing that. But I can't help but wonder if that's what goes through some peoples' heads.
2014-02-01 11:49:37 PM
2 votes:

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.
2014-02-03 01:06:43 PM
1 votes:

DrBenway: nocturnal001: Phoenix_M: nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.

He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He married the adult adopted daughter of his ex girl friend whom he didn't meet until she was a teenager.


It wasn't "his girlfriend" it was a woman whom he had a child with. Close enough to a wife in my book, making the adopted girl his adopted daughter by default. His son considered Soon his sister.  In either case if you knew somebody personally that did that you would think it was creepy. For some reason celebrities get a pass on this kind of stuff. This is not healthy behavior.

Oh yeah, I remember meeting the love of my life. She was 14 and I was 40. I just knew one day that I would bang her.

Definitely a real class act and not a weirdo at all.

I think there are very few here who will dispute the "weirdo" angle. And we all know that all weirdos are pedophiles, right? Nice parsing job on the "adopted daughter" riff, too.

If I'm not mistaken, skeezy old guys who dig teenagers and skeezy old guys who dig 7-year-olds don't overlap much. Maybe the Woodman is an exception. Or maybe not. You're lucky, though. Because you know.


Right. This is exactly the same as an old guy who wants to bang an 18 year old, as opposed to a man who marries a woman, lives with her for years, has a kid with her while presumably acting as the father figure to the older kids around at the time, and who meets this girl who is as young as 13/14 at the time and winds up having an affair and marrying her.

You are mistaken on your entire premise actually. There are plenty of cases of abusers who don't just stop abusing their victims when said victim hits puberty. Also your post automatically fails because I didn't say "I know" but rather "there is a chance she is telling the truth". Let's not pretend that you don't assume guilt or innocence based on how you see other cases. That shtick get's really old.
2014-02-02 09:42:19 PM
1 votes:
Woody Allen casts himself as the old man who has relationships with pretty young starlets.  Every.  Time.  Don't tell me that's not wish fulfillment.
2014-02-02 06:41:51 PM
1 votes:

CaitMonster: JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.

THIS. I could give a frack about Mia Farrow, and yeah, she's always seemed kind of nuts.  But that doesn't mean Dylan is making anything up. What reason does she have (other than perhaps knowing the public has been discussing her past as of late, and thinking...hey, maybe I should stand up to myself and tell these farkers what really happened.)


She can't take him to court, as the statute of limitations has long since passed. Her mom's Mia Farrow, so I'm pretty sure she's not in need of cash.  I really don't see the point in coming forward sharing graphic, painful stories, knowing you will face judgement from strangers all over the internet if the allegations aren't true. There's nothing for her to gain.


What has she to gain? REVENGE for her mom. Her mother is known to be rather ruthless when it comes to relationships, and it's no secret that when she and Woody split up and he went off her Mia's adopted daughter, there was some serious pride-wounding going on. In short, Mia HATED Woody for that. She began a campaign against him that began with accusing him of molesting Dylan-- WHICH WAS INVESTIGATED AND CAME UP EMPTY--  And has continued to this day.

So you're damn right Mia might have put the idea in Dylan's head... Or Dylan hates Woody enough on behalf of her mother to keep up a lie they began over 20 years ago. The point is that they have PLENTY of motivation to lie, just as Dylan may genuinely believe something happened when it didn't because an unbalanced, vindictive Mia messed with her head when she was just a child.

Either way, an accusation is not evidence. They had their chance to prove the accusations were true, and they couldn't do it, despite a genuine, sincere effort on their part. The police found nothing. Polygraph exonerated Woody. Counselors didn't find any reason to believe Dylan's accusations, and there was suspicion EVEN THEN that Dylan was being led by Mia-- Being used as a weapon to harm her ex.

Again, if Woody did it, he deserves punishment, but I suspect the only abuse in Dylan's life has been mental abuse from Mia.
2014-02-02 06:29:27 PM
1 votes:
SOME PERSPECTIVE

Mia Farrow was 21 years old when she hooked up with Andre Previn (Soon-Yi's actual adoptive father), who was 50 at the time.

Soon-Yi Previn was 19 years old when she hooked up with Woody Allen, who was 55 at the time.

Mia Farrow was in her early 40s when she hooked up with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra and had a kid who she then told Woody was HIS kid, while proceeding to LIE about her affair with Sinatra.

Woody never raised Soon-Yi. Yes, he saw her when she was with the rest of her adopted siblings, but she was not a child while he was around. ANDRE PREVIN raised her. Woody came along much later.

The picture of Woody with a kid on his lap is of the daughter he and Soon-Yi adopted. IT IS NOT SOON-YI and anyone who is asshole enough to keep saying it is deserves a cockpunch. The first time Woody took Soon-Yi to a basketball game was when she was an ADULT and it was at Mia's request because she wanted Woody to get to know her, as he had AVOIDED her while dating Mia.

Woody and Mia were NEVER MARRIED. He was never a father to Soon-Yi.

The accusations of sexual assault didn't happen until AFTER Mia was dumped by Woody. Dylan never made any accusations before Mia began her public smear campaign against Woody for leaving her for her adopted daughter. Yes, it was tacky of Woody to do this, but it wasn't "pedophilia" (SHE WAS 19) and it wasn't incest (SHE WAS NEVER HIS DAUGHTER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM).

Mia, however, has a history of LYING about the parentage of her kids and making other men think they're the father. She has a history of cheating with much-older men. She has a history of being a complete nutbag, too. She also STRONGLY SUPPORTED Roman Polanski when he was accused (and he WAS guilty).

How can ANYONE take the word of Mia, or the daughter that she likely convinced? How can anyone condemn Woody for being 50 and dating a 19-year-old when Mia was 21 and dating a 50-year old? How can anyone take her word as gospel when she FARKED FRANK SINATRA, GOT PREGNANT, AND THEN TOLD WOODY THE KID WAS HIS?

If you want to side with crazy, you go right ahead and do it. It just makes you look like a gullible idiot who bought into the "I hate my ex now please support my son's new show" campaign of Mia Farrow.
2014-02-02 06:02:40 PM
1 votes:
www.newyorker.com
"Morning Everyone!
Let's see what's in Le Monde this fine morning.
Interesting,, Weather's good,,
let's just turn to the Entertainment Sec,, ,, ohmy ,, "


Mia Farrow is a world famous star. Her accusations were taken very seriously.
Woody Allen was accused, investigated, and never prosecuted, for anything ever, sorry she's a nutter, like her mum
2014-02-02 06:01:55 PM
1 votes:
I think that family , is kinda f 'd up in general. Mia seemed to be very into hoarding children. Woody is creepy.

And Ronan Farrow looks alot like Sinatra in his younger days.
2014-02-02 05:46:43 PM
1 votes:

Kyosuke: Fano: Wait, isn't Dylan the one that claimed Soon Yi was "legally retarded"?

Yup, but we can ignore that as a lie because it wasn't about Woody.


Legally retarded is a compliment.  Illegally retarded is an insult.  Or, as I prefer to call them, undocumented retard.
2014-02-02 05:24:49 PM
1 votes:

ChrisDe: Sexual assault aside, Woody Allen is still a really creepy guy.


And his movies suck.
2014-02-02 05:17:43 PM
1 votes:

Fano: Wait, isn't Dylan the one that claimed Soon Yi was "legally retarded"?


Yup, but we can ignore that as a lie because it wasn't about Woody.
2014-02-02 04:50:52 PM
1 votes:

mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.


Except she was never his adopted daughter...  Some people like to forgo facts to drum up a witchunt and pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Just like the pic that people continue to post with the little asian girl in his lap, was not her.
2014-02-02 04:47:53 PM
1 votes:

Fano: borg: Brainwashed girl with false memories yeah that's credible.

Letqs call in Elizabeth Loftus on this one.


I had a friend who had recovered memories of sexual abuse at the hands of her step-father. Until she didn't.

/had I been the step-father I would have sued the shiat out of the therapist but of course a public trial against a person who helped spread the rumor of you being a incestuous pederast isn't that attractive
2014-02-02 03:58:20 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Komplex: Carth: Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.

Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.

Right now I can't find any press accounts of when the scandal was made public, but according to this Mia found out about the affair in January 1992, the main claim of abuse happened in August 1992.

And?

You do understand there's something implied in that, that the break-up began in January, and Woody wouldn't have much, if any, visitation with the kids, much less completely unsupervised run of Mia's house.


Well other than undermining your claim that the abuse happened before Mia and the public found out about Woody & Soon-Yi. 
 

Woody Allen isn't going to sleep with you.
2014-02-02 03:23:22 PM
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.


But it lends credence to the theory, and does not discount it at all, because it's a very common phenomenon.

Hell, it's easy enough to accidentally mislead young kids.  Human memory is incredibly unreliable.  You can get a "yes' answer to just about any querry about if you ask a certain way, even if the kid know's for certain it didn't happen, because kids is just smart enough to think that's what you want to hear, but not understand the broader scope of meaning of anything.

Ask a group of young children if the one armed man that visited their class last week(even though none did).  If you keep asking, eventually the kid will say yes, keep inquiring after that and the fictional man will develop details.  Every kid will swear an oath that the guy was there, what was discussed, what color his hair and eyes were, etc.

All because you ask a question, and react in a way that's deemed "positive" to the child's psyche.  It's basic psychology at it's finest, the little rugrats are just seeking their treats, coupled with a young and undeveloped mind that has an infirm grasp on reality and consequences, and false memories are actually very common, you probably have a lot of them yourself.  Only typically they are not as life shattering.

I saw a space-ship as a kid.  Not really, but the memory is there, the impression of sureness is still there when I recall the memory, even though I understand and have seen the optical illusion since.(in the same spot even).  I know exactly all the features that led my younger mind to think that, yet the memory is etched in that way.

It didn't even involve an adult, much less one asking questions hopefully.
2014-02-02 03:10:13 PM
1 votes:
i.imgflip.com
2014-02-02 02:45:22 PM
1 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her damned whore mouth shut.


FTFY
2014-02-02 02:18:01 PM
1 votes:
Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.
2014-02-02 02:12:46 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Komplex: log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.


I've heard of enough cases where men sexually assault children as a way to punish their wife/girlfriend. So they wouldn't have any sexual desire for the child except as an avenue of hurting the mother.


Drugs, drinking and a breakup were usually involved as well, but I don't put this past somebody like Allen. He thinks he did nothing wrong/sleazy/inappropriate/bad optics with Soon-Yi and the shiatstorm he got in the press I'm betting there could be "I'll show her..."


Wat?


Again...sigh
The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started(at which time there was no bad press until the allegations came out), the breakup was started by Mia because of Woody's relationship with Soon-Yi.


You have some serious issues with understanding chronological order, in my opinion.


So, according to you, he molested the girl, to get revenge for bad press of having molested the girl....?


Do you not see the flaw in your theory?


Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter. During those years, Woody was booed at the Garden, NYC was on Mia's side. Or to get revenge when Mia started implying Woody isn't the father of one of his kids. Or when Mia said she had an affair with Frank Sinatra, or whoever else she farked when she was supposed to be exclusive with Woody.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/02/23/reviews/farrow-verdict.html

Here's why you might not want to trust those therapist who cleared Allen...

Justice Wilk, however, questioned the manner in which the Yale-New Haven team carried out its investigation of the allegations, as well as conclusions by two psychotherapists who treated Dylan that she had not been abused. "I am less certain, however, than is the Yale-New Haven team, that the evidence proves conclusively that there was no sexual abuse," Justice Wilk wrote.
The justice said he believed the conclusions of the psychotherapists had been "colored by their loyalty to Mr. Allen." He added that the unwillingness of members of the Yale-New Haven team to testify at the trial, except through a deposition by the team leader, and the destruction of the team's notes had "compromised my ability to scrutinize their findings and resulted in a report which was sanitized and, therefore, less credible."
2014-02-02 01:27:41 PM
1 votes:

Bith Set Me Up: Woody Allen: molests his daughter


So few words, but still so extremely full of horse shiat.
2014-02-02 01:05:52 PM
1 votes:
On St. Valentine's Day, the embattled ex-lovers exchanged gifts. In the kitchen of Mia Farrow's Central Park West apartment Woody Allen gave her an embroidered heart and a red satin box of chocolates. She looked at him, friends of Mr. Allen say, with a gentle, almost kindly glance and handed him a slim box, neatly wrapped.
"I got you this," she said.
A month and a day after Ms. Farrow discovered Mr. Allen had been sleeping with her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn, it seemed as if nothing were wrong, his friends say. Mr. Allen's driver waited downstairs to take him back to his Fifth Avenue duplex and Mr. Allen opened the box on the drive through the park.


Inside lay an ornate Victorian Valentine meticulously adorned with a photograph of Ms. Farrow and her children in the center. The picture included the three children she and Mr. Allen share, as well as Soon-Yi. Ms. Farrow had stuck steel turkey skewers through the hearts of the children and she had carefully slid a steak knife into her own heart, according to Mr. Allen's friends.


Mia Farrow is a farking looney toon. I remember seeing a picture published of it, but since it was before the net it's gone.


//Love and Death is his best
2014-02-02 10:41:15 AM
1 votes:

ryarger: The only thing I'd take issue with is your use of "child" in quotes. Soon-Yi is absolutely Farrow's child, no quotes about it.

An adoptive parent is a parent, period.

Allen, on the other hand, was not related to Soon-Yi in any way until they got married.


Pedantic quibble, she was also a legal adult at the time the relationship started, not a "child".
2014-02-02 10:36:12 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.


there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.


I've heard of enough cases where men sexually assault children as a way to punish their wife/girlfriend. So they wouldn't have any sexual desire for the child except as an avenue of hurting the mother.

Drugs, drinking and a breakup were usually involved as well, but I don't put this past somebody like Allen. He thinks he did nothing wrong/sleazy/inappropriate/bad optics with Soon-Yi and the shiatstorm he got in the press I'm betting there could be "I'll show her..."
2014-02-02 08:58:39 AM
1 votes:
Kind of off topic - but saw Ronan Farrow on Real Time Friday night.

If that kid doesn't have Sinatra's DNA in him, I'll eat a bug!
2014-02-02 08:21:16 AM
1 votes:
I respect his art regardless, the same way I respect Roman Polanski's. People are multifaceted creatures capable being awful and brilliant at the same time.

However obviously if this is true, and I see no reason why she'd make this up, it is abhorrent and condemnable.
2014-02-02 08:16:56 AM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Warlordtrooper: But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks

A disturbing amount of farkers don't have that moral obstacle.  Hell, half of them are that in in the face of evidence that goes directly against their theories.

/not just this topic
//Similar to religious fanaticism

Really, I think they get a chemical high from being "right".
"Right" for disliking pedophilia, but get so euphoric that they lose any ability to be rational, so they just chase the dragon, regardless of evidence or presented logical thought.  It's so heinous that white knighting the victim outweighs all information, not letting anything in it's way, even such things about how there might not be a victim at all.

It's centered on BeliefTM, which is why it's so similar to religious fanaticism.  Same psychological events are happening, just with a different subject.

They like to Believe.  In many ways, they don't classify as self aware at all.

Sad, really.  These are your neighbors and co-workers.  Even atheists aplenty fall into that trap.  It's not that religious people are delusional, it's that humanity is dumb and very capable of convincing itself of crazily stupid things, and rationalizing them away as addicts are known to do with wanton abandon.


Farkers did the same thing during the Duke rape case. If fark had been around in the '80s, they would have done it with the Tawana Brawley case.
2014-02-02 08:09:46 AM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Flint Ironstag: darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.

And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?

She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, after all.  Especially a woman disturbed enough to have a very odd relationship with Allen in the first place.

All things considered, that's the more likely tale.


The only thing I'd take issue with is your use of "child" in quotes. Soon-Yi is absolutely Farrow's child, no quotes about it.

An adoptive parent is a parent, period.

Allen, on the other hand, was not related to Soon-Yi in any way until they got married.
2014-02-02 07:26:59 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: GungFu: It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.

ok. so you're just going to say "nu-uh!" over and over again.


Nope. Guess you have nothing.
2014-02-02 07:25:17 AM
1 votes:

BeatrixK: Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.

THIS!


I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested. Woody's adopted kids. Y'know, for future reference when the TMZ shiat hits the fan for Woody again.

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
2014-02-02 07:22:51 AM
1 votes:

GungFu: It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.


ok. so you're just going to say "nu-uh!" over and over again.
2014-02-02 07:12:05 AM
1 votes:

GungFu: I think you are missing the point.


I'm sorry. how is that picture supposed to disprove what Mia said?
2014-02-02 07:11:18 AM
1 votes:

broktune: So he didn't raise her?  So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?


Do you think you could try and not move the discussion backwards next time you post?
2014-02-02 04:50:54 AM
1 votes:

broktune: He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!


you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!

broktune: Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.


He did n't say he was "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia, he said he was  "blissfully unaware" about of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting

broktune:
Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?

you must have just skimmed the bullets points that you say you hate, because it says he didn't raise her.

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"
2014-02-02 04:14:35 AM
1 votes:

gund: It's just weird the internet has so much power to distort. His relationship with soon-yi especially. Not his daughter. Not his step-daughter. Didn't hang out with her until after she was legal. He's guilty of dating and marrying someone a lot younger than him. So what. All the old guys here would do so if they weren't in a relationship. Mia Farrow was married to much older men too.

So after Woody Allen humiliates Mia Farrow by dating her adopter daughter, the molestation charges appear. No doubt at all.

Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.


It's not the internet. the media did just fine at misinforming people long before the internet was around. and I'm a prime example of one the people who believed the hype until a few minutes ago.

The internet has the power to distort the people who want to be distorted and told what they want to hear. it is also very liberating for teh people who want to find out the actual facts and not the sensationalism. unfortunately one group is a lot bigger that the other.
2014-02-02 04:03:57 AM
1 votes:

DrBenway: Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.


I have to admit that I believed a few of those. Not that I've ever had a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it's easy to just start believing things when you hear them repeated over and over again.

I came into this thread thinking the allegations were probably true, but after reading that article, not so much.
2014-02-02 04:02:08 AM
1 votes:
Oh yeah -- one other thing about that piece: the comments. A substantial number of them appear to be by people who didn't actually read it (surprise!) as they parrot many of the very things which he spent time discussing and in most instances dismissing.
2014-02-02 03:29:23 AM
1 votes:

YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html


thank you for that.
2014-02-02 03:03:30 AM
1 votes:
I have no sympathy for people who keep trying to smear someone's name. There is a time that is called "put up or shut up". It is the height of irony that they claim that they cannot prosecute because of subjecting the child to further trauma and yet said child has no problem subjecting herself to further trauma by bringing the topic up again and again. So either the mother and and daughter are sadists or they have some other agenda.

In my observation and experience genuine victims want to move on with their lives sooner or later. Constantly picking at a wound can do him no harm and only make them look bad..In fact, they are probably helping Woody under the theory that bad publicity is better than no publicity.
2014-02-02 02:53:59 AM
1 votes:

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


I think it's been pretty well established that if you are successful in Hollywood, you can fark anybody.
2014-02-02 01:21:30 AM
1 votes:

jaylectricity: As long as you agree they're healthy thoughts, I have no problem with your other assumptions.


If can't tell if your sarcasm meter is broken or if my troll meter is broken.
2014-02-02 12:03:07 AM
1 votes:
jesus
just

jesus
2014-02-01 11:59:11 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: What a monster. Who names a girl "Dylan"?


Wealthy NYC bohemians bowing at the altar of the "Voice of their Generation"TM?
2014-02-01 11:52:37 PM
1 votes:
He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother's electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me.

That's not rape-rape, so it's OK.
2014-02-01 11:51:38 PM
1 votes:
Oh, boy! It's this thread again!
 
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