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2014-02-02 04:03:57 AM

DrBenway: Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.


I have to admit that I believed a few of those. Not that I've ever had a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it's easy to just start believing things when you hear them repeated over and over again.

I came into this thread thinking the allegations were probably true, but after reading that article, not so much.
 
2014-02-02 04:06:10 AM

frestcrallen: log_jammin: notsureifserious.jpg

No.  Is there a tongue in cheek font?

/Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face


I watced a couple of videos yesterday where people thought the snow storm in Georgia was from "chemical snow" created by the government to....something. I'm not sure what.

so yeah...you never can tell these days.
 
2014-02-02 04:08:16 AM
It's just weird the internet has so much power to distort. His relationship with soon-yi especially. Not his daughter. Not his step-daughter. Didn't hang out with her until after she was legal. He's guilty of dating and marrying someone a lot younger than him. So what. All the old guys here would do so if they weren't in a relationship. Mia Farrow was married to much older men too.

So after Woody Allen humiliates Mia Farrow by dating her adopter daughter, the molestation charges appear. No doubt at all.

Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.
 
2014-02-02 04:14:35 AM

gund: It's just weird the internet has so much power to distort. His relationship with soon-yi especially. Not his daughter. Not his step-daughter. Didn't hang out with her until after she was legal. He's guilty of dating and marrying someone a lot younger than him. So what. All the old guys here would do so if they weren't in a relationship. Mia Farrow was married to much older men too.

So after Woody Allen humiliates Mia Farrow by dating her adopter daughter, the molestation charges appear. No doubt at all.

Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.


It's not the internet. the media did just fine at misinforming people long before the internet was around. and I'm a prime example of one the people who believed the hype until a few minutes ago.

The internet has the power to distort the people who want to be distorted and told what they want to hear. it is also very liberating for teh people who want to find out the actual facts and not the sensationalism. unfortunately one group is a lot bigger that the other.
 
2014-02-02 04:25:25 AM

log_jammin: DrBenway: Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.

I have to admit that I believed a few of those. Not that I've ever had a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it's easy to just start believing things when you hear them repeated over and over again.

I came into this thread thinking the allegations were probably true, but after reading that article, not so much.


I never had paid especially close attention except to register that it had all eventually gone away. There were some angles that were at best more than a little weird, but once they declined to press charges I never thought about it much one way or the other. And whatever fuzziness there is about the allegations, I do find it telling that he's been allowed to adopt two children in the interim. I don't care who you are, unless you resort to some very weird back street international shenanigans, that's not likely to be allowed, is it, unless there's a fair degree of certainty that you're okay?

The one other point not mentioned in the article -- don't molesters generally have a history? In other words, aren't there often a string of victims over a number of years, rather than just a single instance? Where are any of these other victims?
 
2014-02-02 04:27:19 AM
A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.
 
2014-02-02 04:28:11 AM

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


On the other hand, Mia does still think Roman Polanski is being wrongly persecuted.  The hypocrisy stinks when the shoe's on the other foot...
 
2014-02-02 04:37:09 AM

broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.


Again, he didn't raise Soon Yi or help in any way, he wasn't her father and according to Soon Yi they didn't really met until she was 16/17 years old.
 
2014-02-02 04:43:19 AM

log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.


25.media.tumblr.com

THIS!

/although I did notice the author pimped his documentary with Woody in the first paragraph or so.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html
 
2014-02-02 04:49:05 AM

broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like: "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already? He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc. "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?" STOP IT! Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.


You missed the parts about how he still types on an old manual typewriter and his emails are sent by an assistant, and that his daughters think he's an idiot for not being even the slightest bit net-savvy?

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia. So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what? So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split. He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her. Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

Annnnnddd you're repeating the very points that you just acknowledged him rebutting. Maybe you could save yourself a lot of time and just go with "I don't care what anyone says, he did it." And then you can go on ahead with your own business.

It's not that people shouldn't be skeptical about any of this -- there's enough to be skeptical about. But it would be nice if they wouldn't be willful idiots in the bargain.
 
2014-02-02 04:50:54 AM

broktune: He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!


you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!

broktune: Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.


He did n't say he was "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia, he said he was  "blissfully unaware" about of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting

broktune:
Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?

you must have just skimmed the bullets points that you say you hate, because it says he didn't raise her.

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"
 
2014-02-02 04:52:00 AM

broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.


How did you go from "he met her" to "helped raise her"?
 
2014-02-02 04:56:48 AM

worlddan: I have no sympathy for people who keep trying to smear someone's name. There is a time that is called "put up or shut up". It is the height of irony that they claim that they cannot prosecute because of subjecting the child to further trauma and yet said child has no problem subjecting herself to further trauma by bringing the topic up again and again. So either the mother and and daughter are sadists or they have some other agenda.

In my observation and experience genuine victims want to move on with their lives sooner or later. Constantly picking at a wound can do him no harm and only make them look bad..In fact, they are probably helping Woody under the theory that bad publicity is better than no publicity.


The "child", as I understand, is now in her twenties.

Also, she had already been questioned by likely dozens of doctors, police, therapists, her other relatives, etc. That's before taking to Allen, her mom, or the lawyers from either side trying to make her say something to help their case. And then a trial will force her to do it all over again. And appeal will prolong it.

I wish she testified, but remember that this is a seven year old. She had no ability to see how her decisions in a courtroom might impact other children or victims.
 
2014-02-02 05:21:48 AM

gund: Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.


Really? You can't think of a single instance in history of repeated lies being used for political, social or legal gain to the point of being accepted as truth?
 
2014-02-02 06:24:55 AM

YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html



That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-02 06:30:06 AM
 
2014-02-02 06:37:27 AM

DrBenway: broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like: "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already? He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc. "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?" STOP IT! Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

You missed the parts about how he still types on an old manual typewriter and his emails are sent by an assistant, and that his daughters think he's an idiot for not being even the slightest bit net-savvy?

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia. So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what? So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split. He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her. Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

Annnnnddd you're repeating the very points that you just acknowledged him rebutting. Maybe you could save yourself a lot of time and just go with "I don't care what anyone says, he did it." And then you can go on ahead with your own business.

It's not that people shouldn't be skeptical about any of this -- there's enough to be skeptical about. But it would be nice if they wouldn' ...


YAWN!  Yes, you're smarter than me, you win. (BTW, why the personal attacks when I didn't insult you, only the good friend of a potential pedo?  Must people prove their superior intelligence.  We get it, you're a genius, probably a real doctor known around the globe...UGH!  Never having the guts to say that in person of course.  Keep it up.)   I wouldn't say "He did it."  I don't know the facts.  I just don't go to bat for potential pedos.  You do.  This should be a proud moment for you.  "I really told that Broktune guy off on Fark.  Hey Lenny, this guy thinks that Woody Allen might have molested a little girl and didn't like a couple points in an article.  Yeah, I called him an idiot.  Oh yeah, I got him....look he's so upset, he wrote a paragraph about me.  I win.  Where's my shotgun, I need to brush my teeth."

"you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!"

Do you?  Must be a big fan.  I have no idea.  But to keep playing the eccentric New Yorker card is old.  He knows what Twitter is was my point.

So he didn't raise her?  So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?   About how many times a week did they see each other?  How many times did they have dinner together when she was a child?   People are very quick to dismiss their relationship around here.
 
2014-02-02 06:41:46 AM

GungFu: That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.


that very well may be true, but that doesn't make him wrong.
 
2014-02-02 06:43:42 AM
So, if I understand the Allen proponents correctly; Dylan Farrow was not abused but simply a misguided tool of her vindictive mother and Woody isnt a pedophile, he only married a much younger woman.

If I got that correct; it seems so neat and tidy that I have to wonder where all the outrage was supposedly manufactured from?

As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

But I can say this with all certainty.  I have never cared for Woody Allen's work.  He's like Mel Brooks only without the funny.
 
2014-02-02 06:44:00 AM

broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?


http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)
 
2014-02-02 06:45:15 AM

Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.


there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.
 
2014-02-02 06:49:32 AM

log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.


Well there is always a chance that the girl was molested, but it wasn't Woody; she just chose him as an easy way to tell she was molested without being attacked by the real person who molested her. There is a chance she was so afraid of the person who did molest her, that she picked the closet and safest male figure in her life to say who did it. However, there is a chance Woody did molest her, but no one really knows except the people involved in this situation. We will probably never know what actually happened, so we really shouldn't speculate.
 
2014-02-02 06:50:09 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: /although I did notice the author pimped his documentary with Woody in the first paragraph or so.


It's called disclosure. Anyway, people who believe Mia remind me of

i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-02 06:51:40 AM

log_jammin: broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)


To be fair, they all look alike
 
2014-02-02 06:53:01 AM

cretinbob: To be fair, they all look alike


*golf clap*
 
2014-02-02 06:56:06 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.

that very well may be true, but that doesn't make him wrong.



Maybe not wrong factually but wrong by skewing those facts ie, as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted. If Mia has a problem with it, Woody's pedofilia got the better of him.

So, yeah, he's a creepy fark.
 
2014-02-02 06:58:00 AM

cretinbob: log_jammin: broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)

To be fair, they all look alike

arr rook arike.

FTFY!
 
2014-02-02 07:04:31 AM

GungFu: as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted.


*sigh*

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir,  until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"
 
2014-02-02 07:08:45 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted.

*sigh*

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir,  until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"



*sigh*

I think you are missing the point.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-02 07:11:18 AM

broktune: So he didn't raise her?  So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?


Do you think you could try and not move the discussion backwards next time you post?
 
2014-02-02 07:12:05 AM

GungFu: I think you are missing the point.


I'm sorry. how is that picture supposed to disprove what Mia said?
 
2014-02-02 07:17:19 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: I think you are missing the point.

I'm sorry. how is that picture supposed to disprove what Mia said?



It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.
 
2014-02-02 07:18:18 AM

Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.


THIS!
 
2014-02-02 07:22:51 AM

GungFu: It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.


ok. so you're just going to say "nu-uh!" over and over again.
 
2014-02-02 07:25:17 AM

BeatrixK: Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.

THIS!


I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested. Woody's adopted kids. Y'know, for future reference when the TMZ shiat hits the fan for Woody again.

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2014-02-02 07:26:59 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.

ok. so you're just going to say "nu-uh!" over and over again.


Nope. Guess you have nothing.
 
2014-02-02 07:38:40 AM

Flint Ironstag: darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.

And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?


She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, after all.  Especially a woman disturbed enough to have a very odd relationship with Allen in the first place.

All things considered, that's the more likely tale.
 
2014-02-02 07:41:11 AM

GungFu: Nope. Guess you have nothing.


just no point in providing citations to someone who chooses to ignore them.
 
2014-02-02 07:42:40 AM

broktune: Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."


Celine Dion.
 
2014-02-02 07:47:17 AM
If this is true it's horrible and he should go to prison. But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks
 
2014-02-02 08:01:35 AM

Warlordtrooper: But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks


A disturbing amount of farkers don't have that moral obstacle.  Hell, half of them are that in in the face of evidence that goes directly against their theories.

/not just this topic
//Similar to religious fanaticism

Really, I think they get a chemical high from being "right".
"Right" for disliking pedophilia, but get so euphoric that they lose any ability to be rational, so they just chase the dragon, regardless of evidence or presented logical thought.  It's so heinous that white knighting the victim outweighs all information, not letting anything in it's way, even such things about how there might not be a victim at all.

It's centered on BeliefTM, which is why it's so similar to religious fanaticism.  Same psychological events are happening, just with a different subject.

They like to Believe.  In many ways, they don't classify as self aware at all.

Sad, really.  These are your neighbors and co-workers.  Even atheists aplenty fall into that trap.  It's not that religious people are delusional, it's that humanity is dumb and very capable of convincing itself of crazily stupid things, and rationalizing them away as addicts are known to do with wanton abandon.
 
2014-02-02 08:09:35 AM

omeganuepsilon: She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.


THIS

I've known guys who got caught farking a woman on the side, and their wives turned into mushroom-cloud laying motherfarkers who tried to destroy them for their betrayal. I've seen some really crazy shiat and if you said to me that women used that against their husbands, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

And most guys are terrible hypocrites about this age difference thing. Lots of them would bang the shiat out of the teenage babysitter/intern/girl next door if the opportunity arose.
 
2014-02-02 08:09:46 AM

omeganuepsilon: Flint Ironstag: darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.

And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?

She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, after all.  Especially a woman disturbed enough to have a very odd relationship with Allen in the first place.

All things considered, that's the more likely tale.


The only thing I'd take issue with is your use of "child" in quotes. Soon-Yi is absolutely Farrow's child, no quotes about it.

An adoptive parent is a parent, period.

Allen, on the other hand, was not related to Soon-Yi in any way until they got married.
 
2014-02-02 08:16:56 AM

omeganuepsilon: Warlordtrooper: But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks

A disturbing amount of farkers don't have that moral obstacle.  Hell, half of them are that in in the face of evidence that goes directly against their theories.

/not just this topic
//Similar to religious fanaticism

Really, I think they get a chemical high from being "right".
"Right" for disliking pedophilia, but get so euphoric that they lose any ability to be rational, so they just chase the dragon, regardless of evidence or presented logical thought.  It's so heinous that white knighting the victim outweighs all information, not letting anything in it's way, even such things about how there might not be a victim at all.

It's centered on BeliefTM, which is why it's so similar to religious fanaticism.  Same psychological events are happening, just with a different subject.

They like to Believe.  In many ways, they don't classify as self aware at all.

Sad, really.  These are your neighbors and co-workers.  Even atheists aplenty fall into that trap.  It's not that religious people are delusional, it's that humanity is dumb and very capable of convincing itself of crazily stupid things, and rationalizing them away as addicts are known to do with wanton abandon.


Farkers did the same thing during the Duke rape case. If fark had been around in the '80s, they would have done it with the Tawana Brawley case.
 
2014-02-02 08:21:16 AM
I respect his art regardless, the same way I respect Roman Polanski's. People are multifaceted creatures capable being awful and brilliant at the same time.

However obviously if this is true, and I see no reason why she'd make this up, it is abhorrent and condemnable.
 
2014-02-02 08:53:41 AM
I tend to believe Dylan, for the simple fact that Woody Allen is a creepy little fark that would do something like that.

/oh you know it's true.
 
2014-02-02 08:58:39 AM
Kind of off topic - but saw Ronan Farrow on Real Time Friday night.

If that kid doesn't have Sinatra's DNA in him, I'll eat a bug!
 
2014-02-02 09:11:56 AM
I love threads about trains

www.atlaso.com
 
2014-02-02 09:29:34 AM
I read the Daily Beast article. The author threw in so much other smarmy stuff, it's obvious he's biased in favor of Woody.

The one conclusion I have is that Mia Farrow has the toxic relationship attitude toward Woody, although it may not be returned. That doesn't speak to whether Woody molested kids. In any case he married his GF's adopted daughter at a young age and that's pretty gross.

\will be waiting to see if the other shoe drops when Woody's current adopted kids get older ...
 
2014-02-02 09:33:18 AM
Thanks, Dylan.  Now I have Ozzy's "Mr. Tinkertrain" stuck in my head.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ozzyosbourne/mrtinkertrain.html
 
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