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(The New York Times)   Woody Allen's adoptive daughter gives new disturbing details on the sexual abuse he allegedly inflicted on her   (kristof.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 204
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2014-02-01 10:36:48 PM
On the one hand, anyone with some sort of grudge can make any allegation to anyone and even if it's false, he or she (usually he), will have a scarlet letter on him forever.

On the other hand fark Woody Allen, Annie Hall beat Star Wars for best picture.
 
2014-02-01 10:43:54 PM
Disgusting imagery, but I know there'll be opinions all over the place on veracity.
 
2014-02-01 10:59:59 PM
If it's true, call the police. There's literally nothing you can tell me about Woody Allen short of actionable crimes I don't already just assume. He's like a mix of Garey Busey weird, Mel Brooks Jewish, and Jeff Dahlmer creepy.
 
2014-02-01 11:18:42 PM

doglover: If it's true, call the police. There's literally nothing you can tell me about Woody Allen short of actionable crimes I don't already just assume. He's like a mix of Garey Busey weird, Mel Brooks Jewish, and Jeff Dahlmer creepy.


Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma.  Money has it's privileges. Mia was painted as a nut case in the trails..however even then the judges wouldn't award custody of their biological children to Woody. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20782501,00.html
 
2014-02-01 11:20:47 PM

optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

 
2014-02-01 11:26:51 PM
I'm inclined to believe her...what does she have to gain?  There was evidence that he did sexually assault her but it was dropped.
 
2014-02-01 11:38:38 PM

doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.


Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.
 
2014-02-01 11:47:56 PM
Is the statute of limitations expired here? If so, how about civil court?

Why should Woody Allen get treated any different than Catholic priests?
 
2014-02-01 11:49:37 PM

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.
 
2014-02-01 11:51:38 PM
Oh, boy! It's this thread again!
 
2014-02-01 11:52:04 PM
Is this why Woody himself can't star in his own brilliant movies because people are just creeped out by him?
 
2014-02-01 11:52:37 PM
He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother's electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me.

That's not rape-rape, so it's OK.
 
2014-02-01 11:53:50 PM

DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!


Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.
 
2014-02-01 11:55:36 PM
Brainwashed girl with false memories yeah that's credible.
 
2014-02-01 11:56:17 PM
What a monster. Who names a girl "Dylan"?
 
2014-02-01 11:59:11 PM

fusillade762: What a monster. Who names a girl "Dylan"?


Wealthy NYC bohemians bowing at the altar of the "Voice of their Generation"TM?
 
2014-02-02 12:03:07 AM
jesus
just

jesus
 
2014-02-02 12:07:33 AM
I was molested at the age of three. I spent the next couple decades thinking about that every single day. But at first it wasn't until somebody told me it was wrong that it damaged me.

What if making a big deal out of it was the reason it has such lasting effects on the victim?

Let me make a distinction. Penetrating a young orifice and hurting a child is definitely wrong. But what if we're just talking about playful spraying on a 13 year-old girl's groin area with the sprinkler from the yard? The only reason that's damaging is because we convince ourselves so. Because she has to live with the pain of being wanted by an uncle who has no way of fulfilling his fantasy.

Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

I'll admit...I'm a little creeped out by typing that. But I can't help but wonder if that's what goes through some peoples' heads.
 
2014-02-02 12:10:37 AM

jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.


Dude....she was seven.
 
2014-02-02 12:16:05 AM

Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.


I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.
 
2014-02-02 12:23:25 AM
I couldn't make it to the second paragraph
 
2014-02-02 12:27:02 AM

Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.


he had a point and made it.


Whether tis nobler to be trolled by the slings and arrows. and some such stuff.

I duuno.
 
2014-02-02 12:32:56 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.


You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?
 
2014-02-02 12:37:16 AM
You don't go from this:

rememberinghistory.files.wordpress.com

To This:
storyflakes.files.wordpress.com

Without some thing going on.

The Citation of the first photo is here: http://rememberinghistory.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/on-this-day-in-199 7 -woody-allen-marries-his-adopted-step-daughter-soon-yi-previn/
 
2014-02-02 12:38:12 AM

jaylectricity: Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.

I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.


I think the important thing here is that your own sexual abuse has left you with healthy thoughts about children and sexuality.

/I think a 13 year old would realize deliberately spraying her groin has a sexual connotation.
 
2014-02-02 12:39:31 AM
Reminds me of the old joke about Woody Allen's films being released in a single set. The set will be designed to be like him in that it comes in a small yellow box.

/aisle seat
 
2014-02-02 12:47:07 AM

Lsherm: jaylectricity: Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.

I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.

I think the important thing here is that your own sexual abuse has left you with healthy thoughts about children and sexuality.

/I think a 13 year old would realize deliberately spraying her groin has a sexual connotation.


As long as you agree they're healthy thoughts, I have no problem with your other assumptions.
 
2014-02-02 01:05:46 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.

What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.


Thats a perfectly valid point.  Take the O.J. Simpson case.  Some said he should be expelled from the Hall of Fame and his records expunged.  I'd disagree.  A bad persons achievements should stand.  As well as their evils.

But certainly, IMO, no excuses or leniency given to people who've done evil -regardless of anything else.

Sometimes a lot can be learned by looking at where the protectionism comes from, especially in terms of the motivation for that protection.
 
2014-02-02 01:21:30 AM

jaylectricity: As long as you agree they're healthy thoughts, I have no problem with your other assumptions.


If can't tell if your sarcasm meter is broken or if my troll meter is broken.
 
2014-02-02 01:54:30 AM

DrBenway: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.

You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?


We needed "this thread again" until one got greened.
 
2014-02-02 02:17:39 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.

You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?

We needed "this thread again" until one got greened.


But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo (of Allen with his daughter Bechet in his lap* which he continues to allege is his wife as a child) in this thread like he has in every other one? Yeah, that thread again. I don't know what did or didn't happen -- the fact that nothing came of the case doesn't necessarily clear him as far as I'm concerned -- but it's more than a little bit lame if that's what you resort to to try and make a point, wouldn't you agree?

*for reference, see also: NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)
 
2014-02-02 02:26:40 AM

DrBenway: But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo


PROTIP for optikeye: never ever use wordpress as a source for anything, other than as an example of how bad it is to use wordpress as a source.
 
2014-02-02 02:52:52 AM
 
2014-02-02 02:52:56 AM
"I won't disturb you with the details, they would only..."
"Yes?"
"...disturb you."
 
2014-02-02 02:53:59 AM

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


I think it's been pretty well established that if you are successful in Hollywood, you can fark anybody.
 
2014-02-02 02:59:52 AM
never stick your dick in crazy
 
2014-02-02 03:01:13 AM

slayer199: I'm inclined to believe her...what does she have to gain?  There was evidence that he did sexually assault her but it was dropped.


She got your attention, didn't she?
 
2014-02-02 03:03:30 AM
I have no sympathy for people who keep trying to smear someone's name. There is a time that is called "put up or shut up". It is the height of irony that they claim that they cannot prosecute because of subjecting the child to further trauma and yet said child has no problem subjecting herself to further trauma by bringing the topic up again and again. So either the mother and and daughter are sadists or they have some other agenda.

In my observation and experience genuine victims want to move on with their lives sooner or later. Constantly picking at a wound can do him no harm and only make them look bad..In fact, they are probably helping Woody under the theory that bad publicity is better than no publicity.
 
2014-02-02 03:07:42 AM
When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.
 
2014-02-02 03:09:08 AM
Bieber's been in the press a lot lately, now they're bringing out this smelly 20-year-old cheese.

The military-industrial complex must have some serious shiat going on that they're trying to distract us from.
 
2014-02-02 03:29:13 AM

darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.


And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?
 
2014-02-02 03:29:23 AM

YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html


thank you for that.
 
2014-02-02 03:30:22 AM

frestcrallen: Bieber's been in the press a lot lately, now they're bringing out this smelly 20-year-old cheese.

The military-industrial complex must have some serious shiat going on that they're trying to distract us from.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2014-02-02 03:37:27 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?


I would. People are complex. They can do both bad and good things without one diminishing the other; very few people are either "good" or "evil" and I'd argue that attempting to classify anyone that way is likely a net loss for society, and not anything like a useful model of the truth.

If you're looking for an example of a good father, Woody Allen is not your guy. He's maybe even a criminally bad, and if that's the case he should be held accountable just like anyone else (to be clear, I'm not being dismissive -- it might well be true -- I just don't feel that I have the information to make an informed judgement). But that has essentially no impact on his movies, just like Sandusky's abuse has no impact on his football contributions. It's wrong to ignore his harm because of his accomplishments (or fame, or money, or whatever other excuse we might use), but the reverse is equally true.
 
2014-02-02 03:45:40 AM
I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.
 
2014-02-02 03:56:00 AM

log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.


Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.
 
2014-02-02 03:57:01 AM

profplump: If you're looking for an example of a good father, Woody Allen is not your guy.


In what way is he not a good father?
 
2014-02-02 03:58:28 AM

log_jammin: notsureifserious.jpg


No.  Is there a tongue in cheek font?

/Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face
 
2014-02-02 04:02:08 AM
Oh yeah -- one other thing about that piece: the comments. A substantial number of them appear to be by people who didn't actually read it (surprise!) as they parrot many of the very things which he spent time discussing and in most instances dismissing.
 
2014-02-02 04:02:22 AM

log_jammin: DrBenway: But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo

PROTIP for optikeye: never ever use wordpress as a source for anything, other than as an example of how bad it is to use wordpress as a source.


I can think of a dozen other websites that applies to.

I'm looking at you Slate, American Thinker, Daily Mail, Jezebel, Fox News, CNN, and irs.gov.
 
2014-02-02 04:03:57 AM

DrBenway: Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.


I have to admit that I believed a few of those. Not that I've ever had a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it's easy to just start believing things when you hear them repeated over and over again.

I came into this thread thinking the allegations were probably true, but after reading that article, not so much.
 
2014-02-02 04:06:10 AM

frestcrallen: log_jammin: notsureifserious.jpg

No.  Is there a tongue in cheek font?

/Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face


I watced a couple of videos yesterday where people thought the snow storm in Georgia was from "chemical snow" created by the government to....something. I'm not sure what.

so yeah...you never can tell these days.
 
2014-02-02 04:08:16 AM
It's just weird the internet has so much power to distort. His relationship with soon-yi especially. Not his daughter. Not his step-daughter. Didn't hang out with her until after she was legal. He's guilty of dating and marrying someone a lot younger than him. So what. All the old guys here would do so if they weren't in a relationship. Mia Farrow was married to much older men too.

So after Woody Allen humiliates Mia Farrow by dating her adopter daughter, the molestation charges appear. No doubt at all.

Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.
 
2014-02-02 04:14:35 AM

gund: It's just weird the internet has so much power to distort. His relationship with soon-yi especially. Not his daughter. Not his step-daughter. Didn't hang out with her until after she was legal. He's guilty of dating and marrying someone a lot younger than him. So what. All the old guys here would do so if they weren't in a relationship. Mia Farrow was married to much older men too.

So after Woody Allen humiliates Mia Farrow by dating her adopter daughter, the molestation charges appear. No doubt at all.

Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.


It's not the internet. the media did just fine at misinforming people long before the internet was around. and I'm a prime example of one the people who believed the hype until a few minutes ago.

The internet has the power to distort the people who want to be distorted and told what they want to hear. it is also very liberating for teh people who want to find out the actual facts and not the sensationalism. unfortunately one group is a lot bigger that the other.
 
2014-02-02 04:25:25 AM

log_jammin: DrBenway: Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.

I have to admit that I believed a few of those. Not that I've ever had a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it's easy to just start believing things when you hear them repeated over and over again.

I came into this thread thinking the allegations were probably true, but after reading that article, not so much.


I never had paid especially close attention except to register that it had all eventually gone away. There were some angles that were at best more than a little weird, but once they declined to press charges I never thought about it much one way or the other. And whatever fuzziness there is about the allegations, I do find it telling that he's been allowed to adopt two children in the interim. I don't care who you are, unless you resort to some very weird back street international shenanigans, that's not likely to be allowed, is it, unless there's a fair degree of certainty that you're okay?

The one other point not mentioned in the article -- don't molesters generally have a history? In other words, aren't there often a string of victims over a number of years, rather than just a single instance? Where are any of these other victims?
 
2014-02-02 04:27:19 AM
A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.
 
2014-02-02 04:28:11 AM

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


On the other hand, Mia does still think Roman Polanski is being wrongly persecuted.  The hypocrisy stinks when the shoe's on the other foot...
 
2014-02-02 04:37:09 AM

broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.


Again, he didn't raise Soon Yi or help in any way, he wasn't her father and according to Soon Yi they didn't really met until she was 16/17 years old.
 
2014-02-02 04:43:19 AM

log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.


25.media.tumblr.com

THIS!

/although I did notice the author pimped his documentary with Woody in the first paragraph or so.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html
 
2014-02-02 04:49:05 AM

broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like: "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already? He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc. "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?" STOP IT! Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.


You missed the parts about how he still types on an old manual typewriter and his emails are sent by an assistant, and that his daughters think he's an idiot for not being even the slightest bit net-savvy?

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia. So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what? So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split. He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her. Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

Annnnnddd you're repeating the very points that you just acknowledged him rebutting. Maybe you could save yourself a lot of time and just go with "I don't care what anyone says, he did it." And then you can go on ahead with your own business.

It's not that people shouldn't be skeptical about any of this -- there's enough to be skeptical about. But it would be nice if they wouldn't be willful idiots in the bargain.
 
2014-02-02 04:50:54 AM

broktune: He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!


you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!

broktune: Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.


He did n't say he was "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia, he said he was  "blissfully unaware" about of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting

broktune:
Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?

you must have just skimmed the bullets points that you say you hate, because it says he didn't raise her.

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"
 
2014-02-02 04:52:00 AM

broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like:  "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already?  He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc.  "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?"  STOP IT!  Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia.  So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what?  So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split.  He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her.  Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child?  Maybe.  That's not strange to anyone?  We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee."  and they eventually hook up.  I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

So the writer's not sure about the facts but has no problem going all in with a potential pedophile?  Unless I'm related to Allen or have concrete facts, I just don't find any merit in backing a potential pedo.  I might not accuse the guy but I wouldn't go to bat for him either.  Personally, I think there's a little smoke there.


How did you go from "he met her" to "helped raise her"?
 
2014-02-02 04:56:48 AM

worlddan: I have no sympathy for people who keep trying to smear someone's name. There is a time that is called "put up or shut up". It is the height of irony that they claim that they cannot prosecute because of subjecting the child to further trauma and yet said child has no problem subjecting herself to further trauma by bringing the topic up again and again. So either the mother and and daughter are sadists or they have some other agenda.

In my observation and experience genuine victims want to move on with their lives sooner or later. Constantly picking at a wound can do him no harm and only make them look bad..In fact, they are probably helping Woody under the theory that bad publicity is better than no publicity.


The "child", as I understand, is now in her twenties.

Also, she had already been questioned by likely dozens of doctors, police, therapists, her other relatives, etc. That's before taking to Allen, her mom, or the lawyers from either side trying to make her say something to help their case. And then a trial will force her to do it all over again. And appeal will prolong it.

I wish she testified, but remember that this is a seven year old. She had no ability to see how her decisions in a courtroom might impact other children or victims.
 
2014-02-02 05:21:48 AM

gund: Only the internet can repeat lies and become truths.


Really? You can't think of a single instance in history of repeated lies being used for political, social or legal gain to the point of being accepted as truth?
 
2014-02-02 06:24:55 AM

YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html



That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-02 06:30:06 AM
 
2014-02-02 06:37:27 AM

DrBenway: broktune: A couple things from the article I didn't like: "When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn't certain what Twitter was. (He's heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn't go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. "

Can we just stop already with the eccentric shiat already? He works with young actors all the farking time and producers and set people and etc. "What's that Twatter....oh, Twitter, what's that again?" STOP IT! Also, to use the term "blissfully unaware" about accusations of pedophilia is a bit...hmmm...I don't like it.

You missed the parts about how he still types on an old manual typewriter and his emails are sent by an assistant, and that his daughters think he's an idiot for not being even the slightest bit net-savvy?

I also didn't like the writer's bullet points about Allen's relationship with Soon Yi and Mia. So, he didn't live with Mia, wasn't married to her, wasn't a legal guardian to Soon Yi....so farking what? So, best case scenario, he had sex with his best friend's adopted daughter after they split. He also knew Soon Yi when she was a child and spent time with her. Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."

Annnnnddd you're repeating the very points that you just acknowledged him rebutting. Maybe you could save yourself a lot of time and just go with "I don't care what anyone says, he did it." And then you can go on ahead with your own business.

It's not that people shouldn't be skeptical about any of this -- there's enough to be skeptical about. But it would be nice if they wouldn' ...


YAWN!  Yes, you're smarter than me, you win. (BTW, why the personal attacks when I didn't insult you, only the good friend of a potential pedo?  Must people prove their superior intelligence.  We get it, you're a genius, probably a real doctor known around the globe...UGH!  Never having the guts to say that in person of course.  Keep it up.)   I wouldn't say "He did it."  I don't know the facts.  I just don't go to bat for potential pedos.  You do.  This should be a proud moment for you.  "I really told that Broktune guy off on Fark.  Hey Lenny, this guy thinks that Woody Allen might have molested a little girl and didn't like a couple points in an article.  Yeah, I called him an idiot.  Oh yeah, I got him....look he's so upset, he wrote a paragraph about me.  I win.  Where's my shotgun, I need to brush my teeth."

"you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!"

Do you?  Must be a big fan.  I have no idea.  But to keep playing the eccentric New Yorker card is old.  He knows what Twitter is was my point.

So he didn't raise her?  So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?   About how many times a week did they see each other?  How many times did they have dinner together when she was a child?   People are very quick to dismiss their relationship around here.
 
2014-02-02 06:41:46 AM

GungFu: That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.


that very well may be true, but that doesn't make him wrong.
 
2014-02-02 06:43:42 AM
So, if I understand the Allen proponents correctly; Dylan Farrow was not abused but simply a misguided tool of her vindictive mother and Woody isnt a pedophile, he only married a much younger woman.

If I got that correct; it seems so neat and tidy that I have to wonder where all the outrage was supposedly manufactured from?

As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

But I can say this with all certainty.  I have never cared for Woody Allen's work.  He's like Mel Brooks only without the funny.
 
2014-02-02 06:44:00 AM

broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?


http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)
 
2014-02-02 06:45:15 AM

Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.


there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.
 
2014-02-02 06:49:32 AM

log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.


Well there is always a chance that the girl was molested, but it wasn't Woody; she just chose him as an easy way to tell she was molested without being attacked by the real person who molested her. There is a chance she was so afraid of the person who did molest her, that she picked the closet and safest male figure in her life to say who did it. However, there is a chance Woody did molest her, but no one really knows except the people involved in this situation. We will probably never know what actually happened, so we really shouldn't speculate.
 
2014-02-02 06:50:09 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: /although I did notice the author pimped his documentary with Woody in the first paragraph or so.


It's called disclosure. Anyway, people who believe Mia remind me of

i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-02 06:51:40 AM

log_jammin: broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)


To be fair, they all look alike
 
2014-02-02 06:53:01 AM

cretinbob: To be fair, they all look alike


*golf clap*
 
2014-02-02 06:56:06 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: That writer is such a Woody nuthugger, it's actually detrimental to Woody's image, which remains creepy-as-fark.

that very well may be true, but that doesn't make him wrong.



Maybe not wrong factually but wrong by skewing those facts ie, as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted. If Mia has a problem with it, Woody's pedofilia got the better of him.

So, yeah, he's a creepy fark.
 
2014-02-02 06:58:00 AM

cretinbob: log_jammin: broktune: So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/woody-allen-and-daughte r- bechet-dumaine-allen-attend-san-news-photo/79675825

NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)

To be fair, they all look alike

arr rook arike.

FTFY!
 
2014-02-02 07:04:31 AM

GungFu: as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted.


*sigh*

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir,  until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"
 
2014-02-02 07:08:45 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: as others have said, regardless of what the actual relationship was with Mia, Allen knew Soon-Yi as a little girl, and at the very least was a family friend and an adult figure to be trusted.

*sigh*

According to court documents and Mia's own memoir,  until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi"



*sigh*

I think you are missing the point.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-02 07:11:18 AM

broktune: So he didn't raise her?  So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment?


Do you think you could try and not move the discussion backwards next time you post?
 
2014-02-02 07:12:05 AM

GungFu: I think you are missing the point.


I'm sorry. how is that picture supposed to disprove what Mia said?
 
2014-02-02 07:17:19 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: I think you are missing the point.

I'm sorry. how is that picture supposed to disprove what Mia said?



It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.
 
2014-02-02 07:18:18 AM

Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.


THIS!
 
2014-02-02 07:22:51 AM

GungFu: It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.


ok. so you're just going to say "nu-uh!" over and over again.
 
2014-02-02 07:25:17 AM

BeatrixK: Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.

THIS!


I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested. Woody's adopted kids. Y'know, for future reference when the TMZ shiat hits the fan for Woody again.

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2014-02-02 07:26:59 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: It's called a family unit. Woody's pedofilia fractured it, obviously.

ok. so you're just going to say "nu-uh!" over and over again.


Nope. Guess you have nothing.
 
2014-02-02 07:38:40 AM

Flint Ironstag: darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.

And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?


She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, after all.  Especially a woman disturbed enough to have a very odd relationship with Allen in the first place.

All things considered, that's the more likely tale.
 
2014-02-02 07:41:11 AM

GungFu: Nope. Guess you have nothing.


just no point in providing citations to someone who chooses to ignore them.
 
2014-02-02 07:42:40 AM

broktune: Are there many examples of men marrying women who they raised from being a child? Maybe. That's not strange to anyone? We've seen movies and real life situations where someone may do the "Jeez, the last time I saw you, you came up to my knee." and they eventually hook up. I don't recall the "Yeah, I married the little girl I helped raise."


Celine Dion.
 
2014-02-02 07:47:17 AM
If this is true it's horrible and he should go to prison. But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks
 
2014-02-02 08:01:35 AM

Warlordtrooper: But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks


A disturbing amount of farkers don't have that moral obstacle.  Hell, half of them are that in in the face of evidence that goes directly against their theories.

/not just this topic
//Similar to religious fanaticism

Really, I think they get a chemical high from being "right".
"Right" for disliking pedophilia, but get so euphoric that they lose any ability to be rational, so they just chase the dragon, regardless of evidence or presented logical thought.  It's so heinous that white knighting the victim outweighs all information, not letting anything in it's way, even such things about how there might not be a victim at all.

It's centered on BeliefTM, which is why it's so similar to religious fanaticism.  Same psychological events are happening, just with a different subject.

They like to Believe.  In many ways, they don't classify as self aware at all.

Sad, really.  These are your neighbors and co-workers.  Even atheists aplenty fall into that trap.  It's not that religious people are delusional, it's that humanity is dumb and very capable of convincing itself of crazily stupid things, and rationalizing them away as addicts are known to do with wanton abandon.
 
2014-02-02 08:09:35 AM

omeganuepsilon: She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.


THIS

I've known guys who got caught farking a woman on the side, and their wives turned into mushroom-cloud laying motherfarkers who tried to destroy them for their betrayal. I've seen some really crazy shiat and if you said to me that women used that against their husbands, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

And most guys are terrible hypocrites about this age difference thing. Lots of them would bang the shiat out of the teenage babysitter/intern/girl next door if the opportunity arose.
 
2014-02-02 08:09:46 AM

omeganuepsilon: Flint Ironstag: darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.

And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?

She can't, that's why the childhood molestation accusations only came after the divorce proceedings started.  She was angry that he started dating her "child" and spurned her, and conjured up something more heinous about an actual child for revenge.  I only place my wager on that because of the timeline of events.  The allegations are too convenient to be true.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, after all.  Especially a woman disturbed enough to have a very odd relationship with Allen in the first place.

All things considered, that's the more likely tale.


The only thing I'd take issue with is your use of "child" in quotes. Soon-Yi is absolutely Farrow's child, no quotes about it.

An adoptive parent is a parent, period.

Allen, on the other hand, was not related to Soon-Yi in any way until they got married.
 
2014-02-02 08:16:56 AM

omeganuepsilon: Warlordtrooper: But I'd like to see some evidence before we all get out the torches and pitchforks

A disturbing amount of farkers don't have that moral obstacle.  Hell, half of them are that in in the face of evidence that goes directly against their theories.

/not just this topic
//Similar to religious fanaticism

Really, I think they get a chemical high from being "right".
"Right" for disliking pedophilia, but get so euphoric that they lose any ability to be rational, so they just chase the dragon, regardless of evidence or presented logical thought.  It's so heinous that white knighting the victim outweighs all information, not letting anything in it's way, even such things about how there might not be a victim at all.

It's centered on BeliefTM, which is why it's so similar to religious fanaticism.  Same psychological events are happening, just with a different subject.

They like to Believe.  In many ways, they don't classify as self aware at all.

Sad, really.  These are your neighbors and co-workers.  Even atheists aplenty fall into that trap.  It's not that religious people are delusional, it's that humanity is dumb and very capable of convincing itself of crazily stupid things, and rationalizing them away as addicts are known to do with wanton abandon.


Farkers did the same thing during the Duke rape case. If fark had been around in the '80s, they would have done it with the Tawana Brawley case.
 
2014-02-02 08:21:16 AM
I respect his art regardless, the same way I respect Roman Polanski's. People are multifaceted creatures capable being awful and brilliant at the same time.

However obviously if this is true, and I see no reason why she'd make this up, it is abhorrent and condemnable.
 
2014-02-02 08:53:41 AM
I tend to believe Dylan, for the simple fact that Woody Allen is a creepy little fark that would do something like that.

/oh you know it's true.
 
2014-02-02 08:58:39 AM
Kind of off topic - but saw Ronan Farrow on Real Time Friday night.

If that kid doesn't have Sinatra's DNA in him, I'll eat a bug!
 
2014-02-02 09:11:56 AM
I love threads about trains

www.atlaso.com
 
2014-02-02 09:29:34 AM
I read the Daily Beast article. The author threw in so much other smarmy stuff, it's obvious he's biased in favor of Woody.

The one conclusion I have is that Mia Farrow has the toxic relationship attitude toward Woody, although it may not be returned. That doesn't speak to whether Woody molested kids. In any case he married his GF's adopted daughter at a young age and that's pretty gross.

\will be waiting to see if the other shoe drops when Woody's current adopted kids get older ...
 
2014-02-02 09:33:18 AM
Thanks, Dylan.  Now I have Ozzy's "Mr. Tinkertrain" stuck in my head.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ozzyosbourne/mrtinkertrain.html
 
2014-02-02 09:34:39 AM
Will this is a chipper morning article.
 
2014-02-02 09:48:40 AM
My favorite Woody Allen movie is Sleeper.
 
2014-02-02 10:01:56 AM

Wyalt Derp: My favorite Woody Allen movie is Sleeper.


Take the Money and Run
 
2014-02-02 10:05:08 AM

Egalitarian: read the Daily Beast article. The author threw in so much other smarmy stuff, it's obvious he's biased in favor of Woody.


Yeah, that was what I thought too, this being my favorite:

FTA: "The only parent-child tensions I've been privy to are that his girls think their father's mean for not letting them have a dog, and that he's an idiot for not knowing how to work a computer. Lest anyone accuse me of being in Woody's pocket, I'll confess that I side with his kids on both counts."

'Look at me, I'm an impartial judge of whether Woody Allen molested a kid because, get this, I think he's crap at using computers'
 
2014-02-02 10:21:00 AM

Wyalt Derp: My favorite Woody Allen movie is Sleeper.

Sleeper

is great, but my vote still goes to Annie Hall

/Suck it, Star Wars fans
 
2014-02-02 10:22:17 AM
Favorite Woody Allen movie is Midnight in Paris just for the Hemingway scenes.

If the allegations are true I expect some more people will come out with accusations like what happened with the Elmo guy, Sandusky and just about every other kiddie fiddler.
 
2014-02-02 10:36:12 AM

log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.


there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.


I've heard of enough cases where men sexually assault children as a way to punish their wife/girlfriend. So they wouldn't have any sexual desire for the child except as an avenue of hurting the mother.

Drugs, drinking and a breakup were usually involved as well, but I don't put this past somebody like Allen. He thinks he did nothing wrong/sleazy/inappropriate/bad optics with Soon-Yi and the shiatstorm he got in the press I'm betting there could be "I'll show her..."
 
2014-02-02 10:41:15 AM

ryarger: The only thing I'd take issue with is your use of "child" in quotes. Soon-Yi is absolutely Farrow's child, no quotes about it.

An adoptive parent is a parent, period.

Allen, on the other hand, was not related to Soon-Yi in any way until they got married.


Pedantic quibble, she was also a legal adult at the time the relationship started, not a "child".
 
2014-02-02 10:47:48 AM
Sexual assault aside, Woody Allen is still a really creepy guy.
 
2014-02-02 10:48:43 AM

Komplex: log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.


there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.

I've heard of enough cases where men sexually assault children as a way to punish their wife/girlfriend. So they wouldn't have any sexual desire for the child except as an avenue of hurting the mother.

Drugs, drinking and a breakup were usually involved as well, but I don't put this past somebody like Allen. He thinks he did nothing wrong/sleazy/inappropriate/bad optics with Soon-Yi and the shiatstorm he got in the press I'm betting there could be "I'll show her..."


Wat?

Again...sigh
The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started(at which time there was no bad press until the allegations came out), the breakup was started by Mia because of Woody's relationship with Soon-Yi.

You have some serious issues with understanding chronological order, in my opinion.

So, according to you, he molested the girl, to get revenge for bad press of having molested the girl....?

Do you not see the flaw in your theory?
 
2014-02-02 10:52:33 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.

What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.


Even better, Joe Paterno was ridden out f town on a rail every achievement he and the team ever made erased in shame, and the worst they had on Paterno was he may have or should have known what Sandusky was doing.

/You're right, all of Hollywood should burn for Woody Allen's crimes
//anyone who ever bought a ticket to any of his movies should burn too
 
2014-02-02 10:58:49 AM

optikeye: You don't go from this:

[rememberinghistory.files.wordpress.com image 399x336]

To This:
[storyflakes.files.wordpress.com image 316x400]

Without some thing going on.

The Citation of the first photo is here: http://rememberinghistory.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/on-this-day-in-199 7 -woody-allen-marries-his-adopted-step-daughter-soon-yi-previn/




Woody never adopted Soon Yi nor was she his step daughter as Woody and Mia were never married.

Mia was married to Andre Previn when Soon Yi was adopted.
 
2014-02-02 11:01:50 AM

demonfaerie: log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.

Well there is always a chance that the girl was molested, but it wasn't Woody; she just chose him as an easy way to tell she was molested without being attacked by the real person who molested her. There is a chance she was so afraid of the person who did molest her, that she picked the closet and safest male figure in her life to say who did it. However, there is a chance Woody did molest her, but no one really knows except the people involved in this situation. We will probably never know what actually happened, so we really shouldn't speculate.


The fact the abuse did not surface until the middle of a child custody hearing would lend one to be a bit suspicious as it is a rather common technique used to deny custody and visitation rights.
 
2014-02-02 11:10:15 AM

jaylectricity: I was molested at the age of three. I spent the next couple decades thinking about that every single day. But at first it wasn't until somebody told me it was wrong that it damaged me.

What if making a big deal out of it was the reason it has such lasting effects on the victim?

Let me make a distinction. Penetrating a young orifice and hurting a child is definitely wrong. But what if we're just talking about playful spraying on a 13 year-old girl's groin area with the sprinkler from the yard? The only reason that's damaging is because we convince ourselves so. Because she has to live with the pain of being wanted by an uncle who has no way of fulfilling his fantasy.

Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

I'll admit...I'm a little creeped out by typing that. But I can't help but wonder if that's what goes through some peoples' heads.


I know where you are coming from. Two months before my 15th birthday I realized something wasn't right. The girl next door was allowed to walk to a store over a mile away, even though she was two years younger. I wasn't allowed off the back porch and would be beaten if my step-mother caught me not playing. Now I was never molested, so I've found solace in knowing it could have been worse, but I know what you are saying. When you find out, your whole world unravels. You question everything. Thirty-five years later, I've wrestled with my children having a step-parent, and being a step-parent myself, as well as being a parent to my own children. At nine and ten my sister and I had responsibilities you wouldn't wish upon a 16 year old, with punishments you wouldn't wish upon terrorists. Even when we performed flawlessly, if it had been too long since we had been punished, a transgression was made up so we could get a refresher. (i.e. I was sent to school one day with a black eye because I was obviously sniffing her Avon products to get high)

Still, until that specific day on that back pporch, I thought we were typical children growing up normally.
 
2014-02-02 11:35:07 AM
For many years I was very sympathetic to Mia Farrow, since I believed (and still do) that Woody Allen had a weird obsession with Dylan and did molest her.  However, in the last year, when this issue has been resurrected in the news by, first, the Vanity Fair article, and then this most recent series of tweets and articles, I've lost sympathy for Mia.  The fact that she wasn't honest about her son Ronan's father actually being Frank Sinatra really bothers me.  Ronan's gearing up for his new MSNBC show and getting a lot of publicity, and I think part of this is a PR move to somewhat deflect attention from his father really being Sinatra.
I read a book by Sinatra's valet, George Jacobs, called "Mr S", and in this book there's quite a bit of information about how, during their short marriage, Mia desperately wanted to have Sinatra's child.  Here are some excerpts:

"She was so confident that even though Mickey Rudin was preparing the divorce papers, and had even had her served with them on the set of Rosemary, Mia thought she could get Frank back if she wanted to.  She also thought she could get him to give her a child, which is what she wanted more than anything else, and what Frank, who already had all the children he could barely handle, wanted least.  Mr. S always felt bad about his life as an absentee father, particularly after the nightmare of Frank Jr.'s 1963 kidnapping.  He surely didn't want a new baby to feel bad about.

"Mia didn't care what Frank thought.  Motherhood was, only after stardom, the most powerful imperative for her.  At times, she'd sit with me and go down her list of all the great and famous men she wanted to have children with after Frank.  She knew the relationship would end sometime, but she assumed it would be at her time, and only after she had created one of what would be her master race of offspring.  She was talking some major names on her wish list: Leonard Bernstein, who was gay, Picasso, who was almost dead, J.D. Salinger, who had disappeared, and Bob Dylan, who was badly disabled from his motorcycle accident and underground.  The girl thought big.  She was that focused, and maybe if the Candy Store fiasco hadn't occurred, Mia might have even gotten her way with Frank and stopped the divorce at the eleventh hour."
 
2014-02-02 11:40:16 AM

broktune: YAWN! Yes, you're smarter than me, you win. (BTW, why the personal attacks when I didn't insult you, only the good friend of a potential pedo? Must people prove their superior intelligence. We get it, you're a genius, probably a real doctor known around the globe...UGH! Never having the guts to say that in person of course. Keep it up.) I wouldn't say "He did it." I don't know the facts. I just don't go to bat for potential pedos. You do. This should be a proud moment for you. "I really told that Broktune guy off on Fark. Hey Lenny, this guy thinks that Woody Allen might have molested a little girl and didn't like a couple points in an article. Yeah, I called him an idiot. Oh yeah, I got him....look he's so upset, he wrote a paragraph about me. I win. Where's my shotgun, I need to brush my teeth."


Simply put, you insult the intelligence of everyone reading your remarks. Sorry if that ruffles your feathers. "I don't know the facts," but you're more than willing to  jump on someone with both feet by repeating things that were very clearly discounted at various points in the very text you're complaining about. I'm not sure how you can claim higher moral ground with that technique no matter what someone is accused of. Nor when someone pointing out any of this is responded to with a suggestion they brush their teeth with a shotgun.

"you really think a young actor or producer is going to be farking around with twitter on a woody allen set??? ha!"

Do you? Must be a big fan. I have no idea. But to keep playing the eccentric New Yorker card is old. He knows what Twitter is was my point.


Settle down, hoss. You're so whipped up that you're pulling other people's comments and attributing them to me? Very sloppy, angry guy.

So he didn't raise her? So, that pic of him with her on his lap at a game was just a one off moment? About how many times a week did they see each other? How many times did they have dinner together when she was a child? People are very quick to dismiss their relationship around here.

As has been noted repeatedly, that photo is of Allen with his adopted daughter Bechet on his lap and it was taken around 2008. One more time, here's a similar photo of the two, but with an actual attribution rather than "what some dude on the internet told me": NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage) You don't help yourself when this is typical of all your arguments, which is why I suggested you do everyone, yourself included, a big favor and leave it very simply at "I don't like him."  No-one would think the worse of you, no-one would blame you, and no-one would think you less quick.

Phew.
 
2014-02-02 11:44:51 AM
Here are my thoughts for what they're worth.

1. Woody Allen has/had some boundary issues in his life. If you don't think marrying the stepdaughter of your girlfriend is farking weird, then you need to get your head checked. His "creep" label has been well earned regardless of the veracity of Dylan's claims.

2. Mia Farrow strikes me as the type of hysterical lunatic who wouldn't think twice about inflating the story of abuse Woody inflicted upon her children as a way to punish him for his 'crime' of marrying Soon-Yi. I suspect that there probably was something strange about the way he interacted with Dylan, but I wager that the magnitude of it has been severely amplified. I have no doubt that Mia was constantly in her kids' ears for the past 20 years reminding them of what a scumbag Woody is. No amount of inappropriate behavior is acceptable, but the order in which this sequence of events has played out should give any logical person a moment of pause before wanting to burn Woody at the stake.

3. Dylan is a victim either way. She's either suffered legitimate sexual abuse from her creepy stepfather or mental abuse from her loony mother. Maybe a combination of both. I truly feel awful for the girl because there will never be any resolution to this story for her.

4. None of this will affect Woody's career at all.
 
2014-02-02 11:45:55 AM

log_jammin: GungFu: I think you are missing the point.

I'm sorry. how is that picture supposed to disprove what Mia said?


I don't know. You're the one bringing up Soon-Yi when this is about Dylan Farrow...
 
2014-02-02 11:54:20 AM

contrapunctus: Here are my thoughts for what they're worth.

1. Woody Allen has/had some boundary issues in his life. If you don't think marrying the stepdaughter of your girlfriend is farking weird, then you need to get your head checked. His "creep" label has been well earned regardless of the veracity of Dylan's claims.


And yet, if Woody Allen weren't a bespectacled, wrinkled old Jew, no one would be saying anything.  This is one of those cases where Hollywood looks cut both ways.

2. Mia Farrow strikes me as the type of hysterical lunatic who wouldn't think twice about inflating the story of abuse Woody inflicted upon her children as a way to punish him for his 'crime' of marrying Soon-Yi. I suspect that there probably was something strange about the way he interacted with Dylan, but I wager that the magnitude of it has been severely amplified. I have no doubt that Mia was constantly in her kids' ears for the past 20 years reminding them of what a scumbag Woody is. No amount of inappropriate behavior is acceptable, but the order in which this sequence of events has played out should give any logical person a moment of pause before wanting to burn Woody at the stake.

And again, if Mia Farrow were so worried about child molestation, she would be condemning the Academy for continuing to shower Roman Polanski with praise even after he cheated the justice system. Instead, she still supports him.

3. Dylan is a victim either way. She's either suffered legitimate sexual abuse from her creepy stepfather or mental abuse from her loony mother. Maybe a combination of both. I truly feel awful for the girl because there will never be any resolution to this story for her.

And the sad part is, the misandrist "feminists" are using this to go after Woody just as much as the Woody supporters are using it to go after Mia. Thus, all Woody supporters are now MRAs who back rape culture.

4. None of this will affect Woody's career at all.

Well, unless they decide to Paterno him rather than Polanski him.
 
2014-02-02 12:02:16 PM
Special thanks to Darth Macho, who Boobiesed this:

If you want "Star Wars vs. Annie Hall" outrage look at how the public treats the creators.

Woody Allen: molests his daughter while grooming his adopted daughter to be his wife; makes a movie about a neurotic New Yorker. Result: acclaimed by fans as genius and hailed as a visionary artist.

George Lucas: adopts children, donates to charities and by all accounts is an ethical man; makes a movie with Jar Jar Binks. Result: reviled by fans as a monster and will have to be buried in concrete to avoid corpse desecration.

Think on that.
 
2014-02-02 12:11:51 PM

Frederick: But I can say this with all certainty.  I have never cared for Woody Allen's work.  He's like Mel Brooks only without the funny.


THIS.

/ for some reason, I just don't find neurotic NYC characters amusing....(just punchable)
 
2014-02-02 12:28:02 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Special thanks to Darth Macho, who Boobiesed originally posted this:

If you want "Star Wars vs. Annie Hall" outrage look at how the public treats the creators.

Woody Allen: molests his daughter while grooming his adopted daughter to be his wife; makes a movie about a neurotic New Yorker. Result: acclaimed by fans as genius and hailed as a visionary artist.

George Lucas: adopts children, donates to charities and by all accounts is an ethical man; makes a movie with Jar Jar Binks. Result: reviled by fans as a monster and will have to be buried in concrete to avoid corpse desecration.

Think on that.


I have no clue why it happened like that.
 
2014-02-02 12:39:29 PM

Bith Set Me Up: I have no clue why it happened like that.


Over six years and you've never witnessed or experienced the notorious Fark filters in action before this?
 
2014-02-02 12:57:15 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Special thanks to Darth Macho, who Boobiesed this:

If you want "Star Wars vs. Annie Hall" outrage look at how the public treats the creators.

Woody Allen: molests his daughter while grooming his adopted daughter to be his wife; makes a movie about a neurotic New Yorker. Result: acclaimed by fans as genius and hailed as a visionary artist.

George Lucas: adopts children, donates to charities and by all accounts is an ethical man; makes a movie with Jar Jar Binks. Result: reviled by fans as a monster and will have to be buried in concrete to avoid corpse desecration.

Think on that.


Correlation /= causation. Also, if you want us to talk about what a good guy George Lucas is, the "Submit a Link" button is right there at the top of this page.
 
2014-02-02 01:05:52 PM
On St. Valentine's Day, the embattled ex-lovers exchanged gifts. In the kitchen of Mia Farrow's Central Park West apartment Woody Allen gave her an embroidered heart and a red satin box of chocolates. She looked at him, friends of Mr. Allen say, with a gentle, almost kindly glance and handed him a slim box, neatly wrapped.
"I got you this," she said.
A month and a day after Ms. Farrow discovered Mr. Allen had been sleeping with her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn, it seemed as if nothing were wrong, his friends say. Mr. Allen's driver waited downstairs to take him back to his Fifth Avenue duplex and Mr. Allen opened the box on the drive through the park.


Inside lay an ornate Victorian Valentine meticulously adorned with a photograph of Ms. Farrow and her children in the center. The picture included the three children she and Mr. Allen share, as well as Soon-Yi. Ms. Farrow had stuck steel turkey skewers through the hearts of the children and she had carefully slid a steak knife into her own heart, according to Mr. Allen's friends.


Mia Farrow is a farking looney toon. I remember seeing a picture published of it, but since it was before the net it's gone.


//Love and Death is his best
 
2014-02-02 01:09:22 PM
I don't know if the Allen v Lucas thing is trolling or not but it's pretty damn funny.

The pix posted here are just evidence of hysteria on the part of the posters.

Hooking up with Soon-Yi was not a great career move.
 
2014-02-02 01:25:02 PM
Blue Jasmine
 
2014-02-02 01:27:41 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Woody Allen: molests his daughter


So few words, but still so extremely full of horse shiat.
 
2014-02-02 01:52:12 PM

GungFu: BeatrixK: Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.

THIS!

I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested. Woody's adopted kids. Y'know, for future reference when the TMZ shiat hits the fan for Woody again.

[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 396x594]


Wow teenagers being embarrassed by dad in public, shocking!
 
2014-02-02 02:01:33 PM
Philip Semore Hoffman died!!!
 
2014-02-02 02:09:03 PM

LonMead: Take the Money and Run

 
2014-02-02 02:12:46 PM

omeganuepsilon: Komplex: log_jammin: Frederick: As with almost all he-said/she-said scenarios, I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

there is no middle. he's a pedophile or he isn't.


I've heard of enough cases where men sexually assault children as a way to punish their wife/girlfriend. So they wouldn't have any sexual desire for the child except as an avenue of hurting the mother.


Drugs, drinking and a breakup were usually involved as well, but I don't put this past somebody like Allen. He thinks he did nothing wrong/sleazy/inappropriate/bad optics with Soon-Yi and the shiatstorm he got in the press I'm betting there could be "I'll show her..."


Wat?


Again...sigh
The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started(at which time there was no bad press until the allegations came out), the breakup was started by Mia because of Woody's relationship with Soon-Yi.


You have some serious issues with understanding chronological order, in my opinion.


So, according to you, he molested the girl, to get revenge for bad press of having molested the girl....?


Do you not see the flaw in your theory?


Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter. During those years, Woody was booed at the Garden, NYC was on Mia's side. Or to get revenge when Mia started implying Woody isn't the father of one of his kids. Or when Mia said she had an affair with Frank Sinatra, or whoever else she farked when she was supposed to be exclusive with Woody.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/02/23/reviews/farrow-verdict.html

Here's why you might not want to trust those therapist who cleared Allen...

Justice Wilk, however, questioned the manner in which the Yale-New Haven team carried out its investigation of the allegations, as well as conclusions by two psychotherapists who treated Dylan that she had not been abused. "I am less certain, however, than is the Yale-New Haven team, that the evidence proves conclusively that there was no sexual abuse," Justice Wilk wrote.
The justice said he believed the conclusions of the psychotherapists had been "colored by their loyalty to Mr. Allen." He added that the unwillingness of members of the Yale-New Haven team to testify at the trial, except through a deposition by the team leader, and the destruction of the team's notes had "compromised my ability to scrutinize their findings and resulted in a report which was sanitized and, therefore, less credible."
 
2014-02-02 02:14:03 PM

Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.


Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.
 
2014-02-02 02:16:15 PM
Why is Nicholas Kristof inserting himself into this story, other than that's exactly what you'd expect Nicholas Kristof to do? Why is this appearing under his byline, instead of as its own thing? Is it because he'd already used half of this letter as half of his last column? Is it because before Dylan Farrow can tell you her own story, it's necessary for Nicholas Kristof to spend several hundred words confirming that "it's time" to let her speak on her own, now that Nicholas Kristof has had his say?

For those who don't recall his past exploits, Nicholas Kristof is the only man in the world (indeed, really the only person in the world) with the standing to speak on matters of sexual abuse. This was confirmed in 2004, when he purchased two Cambodian sex slaves from their pimps and heroically returned them to their native villages because he just! Couldn't! Bear! The! Injustice! (Unfortunately, only one of them turned out to be a good prostitute worth saving; the other, as he regretfully informed his readers a year later, quickly backslid into shameful slutty evilness. It is a sad world that betrays the selfless and irrepressible humanitarianism of Nicholas Kristof by refusing to live up to his example, but that is, tragically, the world that Nicholas Kristof lives in.) Nicholas Kristof, as Nicholas Kristof will be happy to tell you (again), did not ask to be a hero; Nicholas Kristof just  is one.

So it seems like the classy thing to do, when this prominent and admittedly newsworthy victim of sexual abuse came to you with this letter, would be to just say, "Sure, I can get that to our editors for you. They'll definitely want to run this. Say hi to your mom for me." But then people might forget that Nicholas Kristof is the heroic defender of all sexually abused women (and, he's quick to "fully disclose," a close personal friend of celebrities like Mia Farrow) and that they need him and his boldly heroic anti-abuse stance if they want to try to get better.
 
2014-02-02 02:18:01 PM
Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.
 
2014-02-02 02:28:00 PM
Assuming that this actually happened, it's vile and disgusting that anyone would do such a thing to a seven-year-old girl.


You should wait until she's at least twelve.
 
2014-02-02 02:45:22 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her damned whore mouth shut.


FTFY
 
2014-02-02 02:49:25 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Woody Allen: molests his daughter while grooming his adopted daughter to be his wife; makes a movie about a neurotic New Yorker. Result: acclaimed by fans as genius and hailed as a visionary artist.

George Lucas: adopts children, donates to charities and by all accounts is an ethical man; makes a movie with Jar Jar Binks. Result: reviled by fans as a monster and will have to be buried in concrete to avoid corpse desecration.


Let's add up the effect of Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Millions of people saw them. Of those at least a million hated them. So, let's say 4 hours in the cinema, that's 4 million hours wasted. Assuming a human lifespan of 80 years, that's like killing 6 people.

So, even if Woody abused his daughter, George Lucas is a much greater criminal.
 
2014-02-02 02:50:09 PM
To answer Dylan's question, my favorite movie was Annie Hall.

i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-02 02:56:06 PM

Flint Ironstag: darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.

And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?


If you don't get the impropriety and potential for abuse in a sexual relationship between a very young girl and a much older man who has been dating her mother for years, there's no way of convincing you.  For most of the rest of us, a line was crossed.
 
2014-02-02 03:09:00 PM
My family was talking about the Hollywood scumbags Woody and Roman and how the Hollywood elite are too willing to pretend the most disgusting behavior didn't happen because it's some great artiste.  Fark that.
 
2014-02-02 03:09:38 PM
Whoppi will insist it wasn't "rape-rape".
 
2014-02-02 03:10:13 PM
i.imgflip.com
 
2014-02-02 03:17:43 PM

Por que tan serioso: Philip Semore Hoffman died!!!


holy fark
 
2014-02-02 03:18:55 PM

Carth: Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.

Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.


Right now I can't find any press accounts of when the scandal was made public, but according to this Mia found out about the affair in January 1992, the main claim of abuse happened in August 1992.
 
2014-02-02 03:23:22 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.


But it lends credence to the theory, and does not discount it at all, because it's a very common phenomenon.

Hell, it's easy enough to accidentally mislead young kids.  Human memory is incredibly unreliable.  You can get a "yes' answer to just about any querry about if you ask a certain way, even if the kid know's for certain it didn't happen, because kids is just smart enough to think that's what you want to hear, but not understand the broader scope of meaning of anything.

Ask a group of young children if the one armed man that visited their class last week(even though none did).  If you keep asking, eventually the kid will say yes, keep inquiring after that and the fictional man will develop details.  Every kid will swear an oath that the guy was there, what was discussed, what color his hair and eyes were, etc.

All because you ask a question, and react in a way that's deemed "positive" to the child's psyche.  It's basic psychology at it's finest, the little rugrats are just seeking their treats, coupled with a young and undeveloped mind that has an infirm grasp on reality and consequences, and false memories are actually very common, you probably have a lot of them yourself.  Only typically they are not as life shattering.

I saw a space-ship as a kid.  Not really, but the memory is there, the impression of sureness is still there when I recall the memory, even though I understand and have seen the optical illusion since.(in the same spot even).  I know exactly all the features that led my younger mind to think that, yet the memory is etched in that way.

It didn't even involve an adult, much less one asking questions hopefully.
 
2014-02-02 03:24:36 PM
That's funny, I just didn't realize Mia Farrow, an adult, wrote the piece about being molested.
 
2014-02-02 03:32:52 PM

Komplex: Carth: Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.

Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.

Right now I can't find any press accounts of when the scandal was made public, but according to this Mia found out about the affair in January 1992, the main claim of abuse happened in August 1992.


And?

You do understand there's something implied in that, that the break-up began in January, and Woody wouldn't have much, if any, visitation with the kids, much less completely unsupervised run of Mia's house.
 
2014-02-02 03:37:42 PM

omeganuepsilon: JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.

But it lends credence to the theory, and does not discount it at all, because it's a very common phenomenon.


Heck, it's a nice change to see someone make a point without feeling obliged to roll out a series of misrepresentations, myths, and/or outright falsehoods to try to bolster it. I can't disagree with that, as it doesn't really rule out anything one way or the other. It's just something else to keep in mind.
 
2014-02-02 03:58:20 PM

omeganuepsilon: Komplex: Carth: Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.

Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.

Right now I can't find any press accounts of when the scandal was made public, but according to this Mia found out about the affair in January 1992, the main claim of abuse happened in August 1992.

And?

You do understand there's something implied in that, that the break-up began in January, and Woody wouldn't have much, if any, visitation with the kids, much less completely unsupervised run of Mia's house.


Well other than undermining your claim that the abuse happened before Mia and the public found out about Woody & Soon-Yi. 
 

Woody Allen isn't going to sleep with you.
 
2014-02-02 04:16:44 PM
I've always wondered what it'd be like picturing Woody Allen having an orgasm.

"Oh muy gwod, I'm about to cum baby! Qucik, grab a napkin!"
 
2014-02-02 04:26:02 PM

borg: Brainwashed girl with false memories yeah that's credible.


Letqs call in Elizabeth Loftus on this one.
 
2014-02-02 04:31:14 PM

OgreMagi: My family was talking about the Hollywood scumbags Woody and Roman and how the Hollywood elite are too willing to pretend the most disgusting behavior didn't happen because it's some great artiste.  Fark that.


Let's not forget elvis, jerry lee, mike jackson..... well, let's just say talent seems to make people forgive a lot of horrible crimes.
 
2014-02-02 04:36:38 PM

cretinbob: On St. Valentine's Day, the embattled ex-lovers exchanged gifts. In the kitchen of Mia Farrow's Central Park West apartment Woody Allen gave her an embroidered heart and a red satin box of chocolates. She looked at him, friends of Mr. Allen say, with a gentle, almost kindly glance and handed him a slim box, neatly wrapped.
"I got you this," she said.
A month and a day after Ms. Farrow discovered Mr. Allen had been sleeping with her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn, it seemed as if nothing were wrong, his friends say. Mr. Allen's driver waited downstairs to take him back to his Fifth Avenue duplex and Mr. Allen opened the box on the drive through the park.

Inside lay an ornate Victorian Valentine meticulously adorned with a photograph of Ms. Farrow and her children in the center. The picture included the three children she and Mr. Allen share, as well as Soon-Yi. Ms. Farrow had stuck steel turkey skewers through the hearts of the children and she had carefully slid a steak knife into her own heart, according to Mr. Allen's friends.


Mia Farrow is a farking looney toon. I remember seeing a picture published of it, but since it was before the net it's gone.


//Love and Death is his best


That dueling scene is just farking brilliant. As good as the "little bastard shot me in the ass" speech by Wilder...
 
2014-02-02 04:37:51 PM
Wait, isn't Dylan the one that claimed Soon Yi was "legally retarded"?
 
2014-02-02 04:38:56 PM
Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.
 
2014-02-02 04:43:55 PM
You know what smart people do? Save their most horrific, over the top charges for last, after no one believes the rest of their somewhat more plausible stories.
 
2014-02-02 04:44:38 PM

Komplex: Carth: Komplex: Or he molested the girl to get revenge for all the bad press he had for sleeping with his longtime girlfriend's barely legal daughter.

Timeline is off. The alleged molestation happened before any of that bad press.

Right now I can't find any press accounts of when the scandal was made public, but according to this Mia found out about the affair in January 1992, the main claim of abuse happened in August 1992.


That is what i meant the timeline doesn't add up.

So Mia finds pornographic pictures of Soon-Yi  taken by Allen in January. Allen refuses to sign the agreement giving up custody and giving Mia  $200,000 for each movie he makes and shortly after the video tape comes out. Here is an article from when the story first broke in November 1992.

I have a hard time believe the guy who has the entire world looking at him during a messy breakup caused by him taking his old girlfriends step daughter decides to molest a 7 year old in the 5-10 minutes they are alone together. If he was that sick I'd expect a bunch of allegations to have come out during the past decade. He would have to either be sick, stupid or both to have improper contact with any kids during the Soon-Yi dating years.
 
2014-02-02 04:47:53 PM

Fano: borg: Brainwashed girl with false memories yeah that's credible.

Letqs call in Elizabeth Loftus on this one.


I had a friend who had recovered memories of sexual abuse at the hands of her step-father. Until she didn't.

/had I been the step-father I would have sued the shiat out of the therapist but of course a public trial against a person who helped spread the rumor of you being a incestuous pederast isn't that attractive
 
2014-02-02 04:50:52 PM

mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.


Except she was never his adopted daughter...  Some people like to forgo facts to drum up a witchunt and pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Just like the pic that people continue to post with the little asian girl in his lap, was not her.
 
2014-02-02 04:55:54 PM

log_jammin: frestcrallen: log_jammin: notsureifserious.jpg

No.  Is there a tongue in cheek font?

/Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face

I watced a couple of videos yesterday where people thought the snow storm in Georgia was from "chemical snow" created by the government to....something. I'm not sure what.

so yeah...you never can tell these days.


You sheeple need to wake up to what the guberment is doing to you.
 
2014-02-02 05:11:08 PM

theflatline: mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.

Except she was never his adopted daughter...  Some people like to forgo facts to drum up a witchunt and pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Just like the pic that people continue to post with the little asian girl in his lap, was not her.



Oh yeah, you're totally right. He never actually adopter her, he just helped raise her from the age of 8 as he was in a relationship with her adopted mother. That's totally not creepy and suspect at all. No siree bob. Not one bit....

And you complain about other people who like to "forgo facts". Sheesh. He's not going to let you suck his dick, dude... I mean, unless you're a 10 year old girl, in which case it sounds like you might have a pretty good shot.
 
2014-02-02 05:13:43 PM

mongbiohazard: theflatline: mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.

Except she was never his adopted daughter...  Some people like to forgo facts to drum up a witchunt and pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Just like the pic that people continue to post with the little asian girl in his lap, was not her.


Oh yeah, you're totally right. He never actually adopter her, he just helped raise her from the age of 8 as he was in a relationship with her adopted mother. That's totally not creepy and suspect at all. No siree bob. Not one bit....

And you complain about other people who like to "forgo facts". Sheesh. He's not going to let you suck his dick, dude... I mean, unless you're a 10 year old girl, in which case it sounds like you might have a pretty good shot.


I did not say I did not think it was creepy.  I just think it is just as creepy as to forgo facts and say she was his adopted daughter, or claim that he helped raise her, which Mia Farrow said he did not and was hardly in her life.
 
2014-02-02 05:17:43 PM

Fano: Wait, isn't Dylan the one that claimed Soon Yi was "legally retarded"?


Yup, but we can ignore that as a lie because it wasn't about Woody.
 
2014-02-02 05:24:49 PM

ChrisDe: Sexual assault aside, Woody Allen is still a really creepy guy.


And his movies suck.
 
2014-02-02 05:35:25 PM

kling_klang_bed: I've always wondered what it'd be like picturing Woody Allen having an orgasm.

"Oh muy gwod, I'm about to cum baby! Qucik, grab a napkin!"


Dang. That's one farked up obsession you've got.


mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.


Is that more or less than the percentage of people who rely on fictions to pillory people they don't like, whether they're famous or not? Is it that hard to stick with facts or at least points that haven't been repeatedly shown to be false? Be outraged, it's a fair response to stories like this. Just try to go with what's known rather than what's manufactured. And I apologize profusely if that's what passes for "fawning" in your book, but that's your problem, not mine.
 
2014-02-02 05:40:57 PM

DrBenway: kling_klang_bed: I've always wondered what it'd be like picturing Woody Allen having an orgasm.

"Oh muy gwod, I'm about to cum baby! Qucik, grab a napkin!"

Dang. That's one farked up obsession you've got.


mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.

Is that more or less than the percentage of people who rely on fictions to pillory people they don't like, whether they're famous or not? Is it that hard to stick with facts or at least points that haven't been repeatedly shown to be false? Be outraged, it's a fair response to stories like this. Just try to go with what's known rather than what's manufactured. And I apologize profusely if that's what passes for "fawning" in your book, but that's your problem, not mine.


Uh huh. Just keep fighting the good fight, sir knight.
 
2014-02-02 05:46:43 PM

Kyosuke: Fano: Wait, isn't Dylan the one that claimed Soon Yi was "legally retarded"?

Yup, but we can ignore that as a lie because it wasn't about Woody.


Legally retarded is a compliment.  Illegally retarded is an insult.  Or, as I prefer to call them, undocumented retard.
 
2014-02-02 05:49:34 PM

DrBenway: kling_klang_bed: I've always wondered what it'd be like picturing Woody Allen having an orgasm.

"Oh muy gwod, I'm about to cum baby! Qucik, grab a napkin!"

Dang. That's one farked up obsession you've got.


mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.

Is that more or less than the percentage of people who rely on fictions to pillory people they don't like, whether they're famous or not? Is it that hard to stick with facts or at least points that haven't been repeatedly shown to be false? Be outraged, it's a fair response to stories like this. Just try to go with what's known rather than what's manufactured. And I apologize profusely if that's what passes for "fawning" in your book, but that's your problem, not mine.


Nah, not anywhere near to an obsession, just a hilarious thought. Right up there with imagining the noises coming out of a room where Fran Drescher, Gilbert Godfrey,, Harvey Feinstien and Louie Anderson are having a gang bang.

As per that last part you posted, I love his films, as I separate the artist from their work. I like the works of many people I think should be fired into the sun (Varg Vikernes/Burzum, Wagner, Mel Gibson, Roman Polanski, and yes, Woody Allen). Love his films, but at the same time if all this is true (which I'm guessing it may be, considering his cradle robbing ways with Sun Yi), I hope he gets some broomstick justice in general population like any other kiddy diddler.
 
2014-02-02 06:01:35 PM

mongbiohazard: DrBenway: kling_klang_bed: I've always wondered what it'd be like picturing Woody Allen having an orgasm.

"Oh muy gwod, I'm about to cum baby! Qucik, grab a napkin!"

Dang. That's one farked up obsession you've got.


mongbiohazard: Well we already knew Woody Allen was creepy, and anyone with half a brain knew it was pretty farked up that he'd end up hooked up with his adopted daughter.... But DAMN. I almost got physically ill reading that and thinking about how he's still fawned over.

Then I read this thread and got sick to my stomach all over again. Whenever someone is famous there are always some certain percentage of people who will cast all common sense and reason in to the wind to defend them. It's pretty predictable, but it's still farked up.

Is that more or less than the percentage of people who rely on fictions to pillory people they don't like, whether they're famous or not? Is it that hard to stick with facts or at least points that haven't been repeatedly shown to be false? Be outraged, it's a fair response to stories like this. Just try to go with what's known rather than what's manufactured. And I apologize profusely if that's what passes for "fawning" in your book, but that's your problem, not mine.

Uh huh. Just keep fighting the good fight, sir knight.


Right back at  you, defender of justice.
 
2014-02-02 06:01:55 PM
I think that family , is kinda f 'd up in general. Mia seemed to be very into hoarding children. Woody is creepy.

And Ronan Farrow looks alot like Sinatra in his younger days.
 
2014-02-02 06:02:40 PM
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Let's see what's in Le Monde this fine morning.
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Mia Farrow is a world famous star. Her accusations were taken very seriously.
Woody Allen was accused, investigated, and never prosecuted, for anything ever, sorry she's a nutter, like her mum
 
2014-02-02 06:03:37 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.


THIS. I could give a frack about Mia Farrow, and yeah, she's always seemed kind of nuts.  But that doesn't mean Dylan is making anything up. What reason does she have (other than perhaps knowing the public has been discussing her past as of late, and thinking...hey, maybe I should stand up to myself and tell these farkers what really happened.)


She can't take him to court, as the statute of limitations has long since passed. Her mom's Mia Farrow, so I'm pretty sure she's not in need of cash.  I really don't see the point in coming forward sharing graphic, painful stories, knowing you will face judgement from strangers all over the internet if the allegations aren't true. There's nothing for her to gain.
 
2014-02-02 06:29:27 PM
SOME PERSPECTIVE

Mia Farrow was 21 years old when she hooked up with Andre Previn (Soon-Yi's actual adoptive father), who was 50 at the time.

Soon-Yi Previn was 19 years old when she hooked up with Woody Allen, who was 55 at the time.

Mia Farrow was in her early 40s when she hooked up with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra and had a kid who she then told Woody was HIS kid, while proceeding to LIE about her affair with Sinatra.

Woody never raised Soon-Yi. Yes, he saw her when she was with the rest of her adopted siblings, but she was not a child while he was around. ANDRE PREVIN raised her. Woody came along much later.

The picture of Woody with a kid on his lap is of the daughter he and Soon-Yi adopted. IT IS NOT SOON-YI and anyone who is asshole enough to keep saying it is deserves a cockpunch. The first time Woody took Soon-Yi to a basketball game was when she was an ADULT and it was at Mia's request because she wanted Woody to get to know her, as he had AVOIDED her while dating Mia.

Woody and Mia were NEVER MARRIED. He was never a father to Soon-Yi.

The accusations of sexual assault didn't happen until AFTER Mia was dumped by Woody. Dylan never made any accusations before Mia began her public smear campaign against Woody for leaving her for her adopted daughter. Yes, it was tacky of Woody to do this, but it wasn't "pedophilia" (SHE WAS 19) and it wasn't incest (SHE WAS NEVER HIS DAUGHTER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM).

Mia, however, has a history of LYING about the parentage of her kids and making other men think they're the father. She has a history of cheating with much-older men. She has a history of being a complete nutbag, too. She also STRONGLY SUPPORTED Roman Polanski when he was accused (and he WAS guilty).

How can ANYONE take the word of Mia, or the daughter that she likely convinced? How can anyone condemn Woody for being 50 and dating a 19-year-old when Mia was 21 and dating a 50-year old? How can anyone take her word as gospel when she FARKED FRANK SINATRA, GOT PREGNANT, AND THEN TOLD WOODY THE KID WAS HIS?

If you want to side with crazy, you go right ahead and do it. It just makes you look like a gullible idiot who bought into the "I hate my ex now please support my son's new show" campaign of Mia Farrow.
 
2014-02-02 06:33:01 PM
And BTW, the Dylan case was investigated. Allen was given a polygraph and passed. There was ZERO evidence to back up the story, and it was only thrown around in the midst of a wicked "divorce" (non-married, but still, very high-profile split-up).

The police found nothing except an accusation from the confused daughter of an angry ex that was only uttered AFTER the relationship fell apart. Strange, isn't it, that she only found all this dirt on Woody when they were in the middle of a break-up feud?

If he's guilty, he deserves punishment, but an accusation is not proof of guilt. An accusation from a jilted ex's daughter doesn't hold much water.
 
2014-02-02 06:41:51 PM

CaitMonster: JohnAnnArbor: Just because Mia Farrow was/is insane doesn't mean Dylan is lying/sharing planted memories.

THIS. I could give a frack about Mia Farrow, and yeah, she's always seemed kind of nuts.  But that doesn't mean Dylan is making anything up. What reason does she have (other than perhaps knowing the public has been discussing her past as of late, and thinking...hey, maybe I should stand up to myself and tell these farkers what really happened.)


She can't take him to court, as the statute of limitations has long since passed. Her mom's Mia Farrow, so I'm pretty sure she's not in need of cash.  I really don't see the point in coming forward sharing graphic, painful stories, knowing you will face judgement from strangers all over the internet if the allegations aren't true. There's nothing for her to gain.


What has she to gain? REVENGE for her mom. Her mother is known to be rather ruthless when it comes to relationships, and it's no secret that when she and Woody split up and he went off her Mia's adopted daughter, there was some serious pride-wounding going on. In short, Mia HATED Woody for that. She began a campaign against him that began with accusing him of molesting Dylan-- WHICH WAS INVESTIGATED AND CAME UP EMPTY--  And has continued to this day.

So you're damn right Mia might have put the idea in Dylan's head... Or Dylan hates Woody enough on behalf of her mother to keep up a lie they began over 20 years ago. The point is that they have PLENTY of motivation to lie, just as Dylan may genuinely believe something happened when it didn't because an unbalanced, vindictive Mia messed with her head when she was just a child.

Either way, an accusation is not evidence. They had their chance to prove the accusations were true, and they couldn't do it, despite a genuine, sincere effort on their part. The police found nothing. Polygraph exonerated Woody. Counselors didn't find any reason to believe Dylan's accusations, and there was suspicion EVEN THEN that Dylan was being led by Mia-- Being used as a weapon to harm her ex.

Again, if Woody did it, he deserves punishment, but I suspect the only abuse in Dylan's life has been mental abuse from Mia.
 
2014-02-02 06:46:19 PM

GungFu: BeatrixK: Elmo Jones: I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.

THIS!

I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested. Woody's adopted kids. Y'know, for future reference when the TMZ shiat hits the fan for Woody again.

[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 396x594]



Yes. Because a father can't hug his daughters without being a child molester.
 
2014-02-02 06:48:53 PM
Both Mia and Woody Allen are farking nuts, that doesn't mean Dylan's claims shouldn't be taken any less seriously than anyone else.

Hell Sandusky was able to keep his molestation a secret for decades, despite parental allegations, until a witness came forward.

Considering how horribly people treat victims (see this thread, Steubenville, maryville, New Zealand) it isn't too much of a strech for the cops to decline to prosecute a well-off person.
 
2014-02-02 06:58:44 PM

ZeroCorpse: SOME PERSPECTIVE

Mia Farrow was 21 years old when she hooked up with Andre Previn (Soon-Yi's actual adoptive father), who was 50 at the time.

Soon-Yi Previn was 19 years old when she hooked up with Woody Allen, who was 55 at the time.

Mia Farrow was in her early 40s when she hooked up with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra and had a kid who she then told Woody was HIS kid, while proceeding to LIE about her affair with Sinatra.


Mia Farrow was married to Frank Sinatra from 1966 to 1968 so she was 21 when she married Sinatra and he was 51.
 
2014-02-02 07:01:17 PM

shortymac: Both Mia and Woody Allen are farking nuts, that doesn't mean Dylan's claims shouldn't be taken any less seriously than anyone else.

Hell Sandusky was able to keep his molestation a secret for decades, despite parental allegations, until a witness came forward.

Considering how horribly people treat victims (see this thread, Steubenville, maryville, New Zealand) it isn't too much of a strech for the cops to decline to prosecute a well-off person.


You're right. You're absolutely right.

However, they were taken seriously over 20 years ago when it allegedly happened.  They were dismissed because the police, counselors, and polygraph could find no truth to them, and because they didn't come until AFTER Woody and Mia had their falling-out, and Woody was not giving up custody or agreeing to pay large sums of money.

He was already investigated for this and found
innocent. Now they seek to name him guilty anyway without any chance for rebuttal or exoneration because it's been so long.
 
2014-02-02 07:02:00 PM

Komplex: Well other than undermining your claim that the abuse happened before Mia and the public found out about Woody & Soon-Yi.


Back that truck up sparky.  You are either a huge troll or have woefully terrible reading comprehension.  Like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra level of mournfully low levels of intellect.

/Or I worded something poorly.

omeganuepsilon: The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started


Nope, wasn't my wording.
 
2014-02-02 08:32:39 PM
Dear Prudence/Penthouse forum

I was in the attic one morning playing with my trains, when my world famous father came in...
 
2014-02-02 08:58:53 PM
ZeroCorpse:  They were dismissed because the police, counselors, and polygraph could find no truth to them, and because they didn't come until AFTER Woody and Mia had their falling-out, and Woody was not giving up custody or agreeing to pay large sums of money.

No, not really.  Not at all.
 
2014-02-02 09:16:18 PM
Cool child molestation defense, Fark!
 
2014-02-02 09:31:39 PM
Three things:

1.  Can we stop with the "Rape/Rape" nonsense?  In a discussion involving the specific statutory provision (under California Criminal Laws) involved in the Polanski case, Whoopi noted that Polanski had only plead guilty to one of the SIX crimes for which he was indicted.   One of the original SIX for which he was charged was for the crime of rape, however, that is not the crime to which he had entered his guilty plea.  She was simply trying to clarify the SPECIFIC violation involved (which turned out to be "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor") to which Polanski had agreed to accept as part of his plea bargain.

Guess What?   She was 100% correct, Polanski did not plead guilty to the criminal charge of rape. Whoopi taking the time and making an effort to make certain that the correct legal language was used in an accurate basis, should be something that should be commended, not ridiculed. (and I am no fan of hers.)


2.  Shared a law office with a divorce attorney in the mid 80's when I was just starting out.  I can't tell you the number of cases where he said that a female client was trying to get him to allege "child sexual abuse" as part of their divorce proceedings because they knew it would instantly get the husband on the defensive.   Most of the time the women would admit outright they had no evidence or even a reason to actually believe their husbands were molesting the kids, but they either wanted their pound of flesh (for unrelated reasons) or they thought it would be an easy way to force a settlement in their favor in a big way.

If you think kids at that age can't be convinced (and implanted) with stories that have no truth to the point they completely believe that such things happened themselves, then I suggest you read up on what happened in Kern County, CA around that era and how many completely innocent people ended up in jail due to that very thing.

3.  The fact that the adopted son, who was age 15 when all of this went down, is now on the side of Woody and mentions that "brain washing" was going on, says a lot to me in helping me form my opinion.  I saw way too much of that crap in the early days of my law practice when kids were used by a scorned spouse to make allegations against men on a daily basis.
 
2014-02-02 09:42:19 PM
Woody Allen casts himself as the old man who has relationships with pretty young starlets.  Every.  Time.  Don't tell me that's not wish fulfillment.
 
2014-02-02 10:28:39 PM

DrBenway: log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.

Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.


i.imgur.com

 
2014-02-02 10:32:53 PM

Githerax: Woody Allen casts himself as the old man who has relationships with pretty young starlets.  Every.  Time.  Don't tell me that's not wish fulfillment.


Of course it is, but the women in these stories are ALWAYS of age. They're not children. And nobody has ever said Woody didn't go for younger women, but then, so did Frank Sinatra when he went for Mia. So did Andre Previn when he went for Mia. And so did Woody when HE went for Mia.

Woody dated younger women. He never showed any signs of being interested in pre-pubscent children, though. There's a difference between ephebophilia pedophilia, and people who run around screaming "Woody's a pedo!" aren't even paying attention to the evidence before them. Why would he hook up with a 19-year-old Soon-Yi Previn, or an 18-year-old Stacey Nelkin, if he were into kids?
 
2014-02-02 10:49:33 PM
Correction to my previous posts: Woody and Soon-Yi have been married for 16 years, not 20.
 
2014-02-02 10:51:12 PM

ZeroCorpse: Githerax: Woody Allen casts himself as the old man who has relationships with pretty young starlets.  Every.  Time.  Don't tell me that's not wish fulfillment.

Of course it is, but the women in these stories are ALWAYS of age. They're not children. And nobody has ever said Woody didn't go for younger women, but then, so did Frank Sinatra when he went for Mia. So did Andre Previn when he went for Mia. And so did Woody when HE went for Mia.

Woody dated younger women. He never showed any signs of being interested in pre-pubscent children, though. There's a difference between ephebophilia pedophilia, and people who run around screaming "Woody's a pedo!" aren't even paying attention to the evidence before them. Why would he hook up with a 19-year-old Soon-Yi Previn, or an 18-year-old Stacey Nelkin, if he were into kids?


Woody was was born in 1935 and she was born in 1945, so while ten years younger, I would hardly call that robbing the cradle.

Previn was born in 29 and Sinatra in 1915.

Woody was the youngest of her beaus. I think she is the one with the problem.
 
2014-02-02 10:55:46 PM
Second correction: Mia was 21 and Frank Sinatra was 50 when they married. She was in her 40s and Frank was in his 70s when they had an affair behind Woody's back.
 
2014-02-02 11:13:32 PM
Reposting this link, because it really says it all:   http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-alle g ations-not-so-fast.html


Excerpts:

"First, the Soon-Yi situation:

Every time I stumble upon this topic on the internet, it seems the people who are most outraged are also the most ignorant of the facts. Following are the top ten misconceptions, followed by my response in italics:

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody's daughter.  False.

#2:  Soon-Yi was Woody's step-daughter.  False.

#3:  Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia's adopted daughter.  False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4:  Woody and Mia were married.  False.

#5:  Woody and Mia lived together.  False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia's apartment in 12 years.

#6:  Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage.  False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7:  Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure.  False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother's boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations.  False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or '72.)

#9:  Soon-Yi was borderline retarded.  Ha! She's smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10:  Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride.  Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia's own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody "had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi" so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly "had his eye on her" from the time she was a child.

Let me add this: If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriend's 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense. But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?"


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"A brief but chilling synopsis of the accusation is as follows: On August 4, 1992, almost four months after the revelation about Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship understandably ignited a firestorm within the Farrow household, Woody was visiting Frog Hollow, the Farrow country home in Bridgewater, Connecticut, where Mia and several of her kids were staying. During an unsupervised moment, Woody allegedly took Dylan into the attic and, shall we say, "touched her inappropriately." Later in the day, it was alleged that the child was wearing her sundress, but that her underpants were missing. The following day, Mia's daughter allegedly told her mother what had happened, and Mia put the child's recounting of the story on videotape as evidence.

Did this event actually occur? If we're inclined to give it a second thought, we can each believe what we want, but none of us know. Why does the adult Malone say it happened? Because she obviously believes it did, so good for her for speaking out about it in  Vanity Fair. Her brother Ronan believes it happened, so good for him for sticking up for his sister in 140 characters or less. They've both grown up in a household where this scenario has been accepted as indisputable fact, so why shouldn't they believe it?

I know I'm treading a delicate path here, and opening myself up to accusations of "blaming the victim." However, I'm merely floating scenarios to consider, and you can think what you will. But if Mia's account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations, during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing."


- - -

"As for the evidentiary videotape of young Dylan's claims, it's been noted that there were several starts and stops in the recording, essentially creating in-camera "edits" to the young girl's commentary. This raises questions as to what was happening when the tape wasn't running. Was Mia "coaching" her daughter off-camera, as suggested by the investigators? Mia says no-she merely turned the camera on whenever Dylan starting talking about what Daddy did. Maybe we should take Mia at her word on this. Since I wasn't there, I think it's good policy not to presume what took place.

The videotape and the medical exams weren't the only problems Mia faced in bringing abuse charges against her former lover. There were problems with inconsistencies in her daughter's off-camera narrative as well. A New York Times article dated March 26, 1993, quotes from Mia's own testimony, during which she recalled taking the child to a doctor on the same day as the alleged incident. Farrow recalled, "I think (Dylan) said (Allen) touched her, but when asked where, she just looked around and went like this," at which point Mia patted her shoulders. Farrow recalls she took Dylan to another doctor, four days later. On the stand, Allen's attorney asked Mia about the second doctor's findings: "There was no evidence of injury to the anal or vaginal area, is that correct?" Farrow answered, "Yes."
In the midst of the proceedings, on February 2, 1993, a revealing article appeared in the Los Angeles Times, headlined: "Nanny Casts Doubt on Farrow Charges," in which former nanny Monica Thompson (whose salary was paid by Allen, since three of the brood were also his) swore in a deposition to Allen's attorneys that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position. Thompson had this to say about the videotape: ""I know that the tape was made over the course of at least two and perhaps three days. I recall Ms. Farrow saying to Dylan at that time, 'Dylan, what did daddy do... and what did he do next?' Dylan appeared not to be interested, and Ms. Farrow would stop taping for a while and then continue."

Thompson further revealed a conversation she had with Kristie Groteke, another nanny. "She told me that she felt guilty allowing Ms. Farrow to say those things about Mr. Allen. (Groteke) said the day Mr. Allen spent with the kids, she did not have Dylan out of her sight for longer than five minutes. She did not remember Dylan being without her underwear."

On April 20, 1993, a sworn statement was entered into evidence by Dr. John M. Leventhal, who headed the Yale-New Haven Hospital investigative team looking into the abuse charges. An article from the New York Times dated May 4, 1993, includes some interesting excerpts of their findings. As to why the team felt the charges didn't hold water, Leventhal states: "We had two hypotheses: one, that these were statements made by an emotionally disturbed child and then became fixed in her mind. And the other hypothesis was that she was coached or influenced by her mother. We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination."

Leventhal further swears Dylan's statements at the hospital contradicted each other as well as the story she told on the videotape. "Those were not minor inconsistencies. She told us initially that she hadn't been touched in the vaginal area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn't." He also said the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories." The sworn statement further concludes: "Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, the view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household. The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household... It's quite possible -as a matter of fact, we think it's medically probable-that (Dylan) stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother." Leventhal further notes it was "very striking" that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with "one, her father's relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother," who had lost a career in Mr. Allen's films."



Basically... Read the article before you "guilty until proven innocent" guys say anything else that makes you sound stupid.
 
2014-02-02 11:48:01 PM

Githerax: Woody Allen casts himself as the old man who has relationships with pretty young starlets.  Every.  Time.  Don't tell me that's not wish fulfillment.


Interesting theory.

2014 Magic in the Moonlight (does not appear)
2013 Blue Jasmine (does not appear)
2012 To Rome with Love (married to 57-year-old Judy Davis)
2011 Midnight in Paris (does not appear)
2010 You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger (does not appear)
2009 Whatever Works (Larry David is a Woody surrogate, the whole point of the story is that the relationship is wrong)
2008 Vicky Cristina Barcelona (does not appear)
2007 Cassandra's Dream (does not appear)
2006 Scoop (does not romance a younger woman)
2005 Match Point (does not appear)
2004 Melinda and Melinda (does not appear)
2003 Anything Else (does not romance a younger woman)
2002 Hollywood Ending (has/had relationships with younger women, 36, 34, 28 - but the 28-year-old just throws herself at him for career gain)
2001 The Curse of the Jade Scorpion (has a relationship with a younger woman, 38)
2000 Small Time Crooks (married to a 41-year-old Tracy Ullman)
1999 Sweet and Lowdown (interview segments only)
1998 Celebrity (does not appear)
1997 Deconstructing Harry (several current/former romances, the youngest being 34)
1996 Everyone Says I Love You (romances Julia Roberts, 29 - is that young enough to be a "starlet"?)
1995 Mighty Aphrodite (has a relationship with a much younger woman)
1994 Don't Drink the Water (does not romance a younger woman, as near as I can remember)
1994 Bullets Over Broadway (does not appear)
1993 Manhattan Murder Mystery (married to Diane Keaton, 47, does not romance a younger woman, as near as I can remember)
1992 Husbands and Wives (married to Mia Farrow, 46)
1991 Shadows and Fog (married to a 41-year-old, fails to get it on with a hooker, Jodie Foster, 29)
1990 Alice (does not appear)
1989 Crimes and Misdemeanors (has a mistress, Anjelica Huston at 38)
1989 New York Stories (engaged to Mia Farrow, 44)
1988 Another Woman (does not appear)
1987 September (does not appear)
1987 Radio Days (does not appear)
1986 Hannah and Her Sisters (ex-wife and romance, both in their 40s)
1985 The Purple Rose of Cairo (does not appear)
1984 Broadway Danny Rose (semi-romance, Farrow, 39 - Woody's 49 at this point, BTW)
1983 Zelig (Farrow 38, Woody 48)
1982 A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy (been a while since I've seen it, but Woody's 47 at this point and the youngest female cast member is 27)
1980 Stardust Memories (several women, the youngest is 34, Woody is 45)
1979 Manhattan (Ohhhh, here's the "Every. Time." you're looking for)
1978 Interiors (does not appear)
1977 Annie Hall (Keaton 31, Woody 42)
1975 Love and Death (Keaton 29, Allen 40)

Not even going to bother with the rest of these as your're clearly, laughably wrong.

1973 Sleeper
1972 Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex * But Were Afraid to Ask
1971 Men of Crisis: The Harvey Wallinger Story (TV Short)
1971 Bananas
1969 Take the Money and Run
1966 What's Up, Tiger Lily?
 
2014-02-03 12:11:22 AM
ZeroCorpse: This one quote, I've said basically the same thing more than once:

Let me add this: If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriend's 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense. But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?"

...and all it seems to do is trigger outraged responses and "white knight for a pedophile!" outbursts. You might think it would be a pretty straightforward concept, but no. My guess is that most of them are starting themselves off with the embellished versions and don't want to be seen backtracking from their strong stand because they'll seem weak on crime, so facts be damned. Or something. fark all if I know.
 
2014-02-03 09:26:23 AM
So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.
 
2014-02-03 10:32:08 AM

nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.


He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He married the adult adopted daughter of his ex girl friend whom he didn't meet until she was a teenager.
 
2014-02-03 10:56:49 AM

nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.


And...and he ain't even old timey!
 
2014-02-03 11:05:06 AM

Phoenix_M: nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.

He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He married the adult adopted daughter of his ex girl friend whom he didn't meet until she was a teenager.



It wasn't "his girlfriend" it was a woman whom he had a child with. Close enough to a wife in my book, making the adopted girl his adopted daughter by default. His son considered Soon his sister.  In either case if you knew somebody personally that did that you would think it was creepy. For some reason celebrities get a pass on this kind of stuff. This is not healthy behavior.

Oh yeah, I remember meeting the love of my life. She was 14 and I was 40. I just knew one day that I would bang her.

Definitely a real class act and not a weirdo at all.
 
2014-02-03 12:18:50 PM

nocturnal001: Phoenix_M: nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.

He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He married the adult adopted daughter of his ex girl friend whom he didn't meet until she was a teenager.


It wasn't "his girlfriend" it was a woman whom he had a child with. Close enough to a wife in my book, making the adopted girl his adopted daughter by default. His son considered Soon his sister.  In either case if you knew somebody personally that did that you would think it was creepy. For some reason celebrities get a pass on this kind of stuff. This is not healthy behavior.

Oh yeah, I remember meeting the love of my life. She was 14 and I was 40. I just knew one day that I would bang her.

Definitely a real class act and not a weirdo at all.


I think there are very few here who will dispute the "weirdo" angle. And we all know that all weirdos are pedophiles, right? Nice parsing job on the "adopted daughter" riff, too.

If I'm not mistaken, skeezy old guys who dig teenagers and skeezy old guys who dig 7-year-olds don't overlap much. Maybe the Woodman is an exception. Or maybe not. You're lucky, though. Because you know.
 
2014-02-03 01:04:02 PM

100 Watt Walrus: DrBenway: log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.

Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.

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I can.
She wanted as much attention on her as possible when her daughter was making the allegations. This meant that if she was in the montage that people would pay more attention to her and what she had to say whilst live tweeting it all with her son and daughter.
Basically if she'd said no to being in the montage she would have looked like a bitter old woman who was ignored and is now angry.
 
2014-02-03 01:06:43 PM

DrBenway: nocturnal001: Phoenix_M: nocturnal001: So yeah...a guy who we all know banged and then married (he married her right) one adopted daughter is accused by the other of being raped by him.

You are a moron if you don't think that there is a chance she is telling the truth. He obviously has boundary issues and is likely a pedo.

He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He married the adult adopted daughter of his ex girl friend whom he didn't meet until she was a teenager.


It wasn't "his girlfriend" it was a woman whom he had a child with. Close enough to a wife in my book, making the adopted girl his adopted daughter by default. His son considered Soon his sister.  In either case if you knew somebody personally that did that you would think it was creepy. For some reason celebrities get a pass on this kind of stuff. This is not healthy behavior.

Oh yeah, I remember meeting the love of my life. She was 14 and I was 40. I just knew one day that I would bang her.

Definitely a real class act and not a weirdo at all.

I think there are very few here who will dispute the "weirdo" angle. And we all know that all weirdos are pedophiles, right? Nice parsing job on the "adopted daughter" riff, too.

If I'm not mistaken, skeezy old guys who dig teenagers and skeezy old guys who dig 7-year-olds don't overlap much. Maybe the Woodman is an exception. Or maybe not. You're lucky, though. Because you know.


Right. This is exactly the same as an old guy who wants to bang an 18 year old, as opposed to a man who marries a woman, lives with her for years, has a kid with her while presumably acting as the father figure to the older kids around at the time, and who meets this girl who is as young as 13/14 at the time and winds up having an affair and marrying her.

You are mistaken on your entire premise actually. There are plenty of cases of abusers who don't just stop abusing their victims when said victim hits puberty. Also your post automatically fails because I didn't say "I know" but rather "there is a chance she is telling the truth". Let's not pretend that you don't assume guilt or innocence based on how you see other cases. That shtick get's really old.
 
2014-02-03 02:12:54 PM

omeganuepsilon: Komplex: Well other than undermining your claim that the abuse happened before Mia and the public found out about Woody & Soon-Yi.

Back that truck up sparky.  You are either a huge troll or have woefully terrible reading comprehension.  Like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra level of mournfully low levels of intellect.

/Or I worded something poorly.

omeganuepsilon: The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started

Nope, wasn't my wording.


No you are misreading what I'm saying. 
Woody molested Dylan as a way to get back at everybody who claimed his relationship with Soon-Yi was incestious/molestation/creepy. As in "You want to see child molestation, I'll show you child molestation."

And here's why it makes sense, whenever an older guy gets married or into a serious to a much younger woman, he has to sort of justify it to his friends and the public at large. "Yeah, I know it looks sleazy, but this is why it's not..." And this is for a younger woman who was a complete stranger, let alone his longtime Girlfriend's adopted daughter he knew since she was 14 and he started banging her as soon as soon as legally possible. Woody's reaction was "What's the big deal, you people are crazy." He's not playing with a full deck.
 
2014-02-03 02:34:20 PM

Komplex: omeganuepsilon: Komplex: Well other than undermining your claim that the abuse happened before Mia and the public found out about Woody & Soon-Yi.

Back that truck up sparky.  You are either a huge troll or have woefully terrible reading comprehension.  Like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra level of mournfully low levels of intellect.

/Or I worded something poorly.

omeganuepsilon: The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started

Nope, wasn't my wording.

No you are misreading what I'm saying. 
Woody molested Dylan as a way to get back at everybody who claimed his relationship with Soon-Yi was incestious/molestation/creepy. As in "You want to see child molestation, I'll show you child molestation."

And here's why it makes sense, whenever an older guy gets married or into a serious to a much younger woman, he has to sort of justify it to his friends and the public at large. "Yeah, I know it looks sleazy, but this is why it's not..." And this is for a younger woman who was a complete stranger, let alone his longtime Girlfriend's adopted daughter he knew since she was 14 and he started banging her as soon as soon as legally possible. Woody's reaction was "What's the big deal, you people are crazy." He's not playing with a full deck.


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2014-02-03 05:00:12 PM

Komplex: omeganuepsilon: Komplex: Well other than undermining your claim that the abuse happened before Mia and the public found out about Woody & Soon-Yi.

Back that truck up sparky.  You are either a huge troll or have woefully terrible reading comprehension.  Like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra level of mournfully low levels of intellect.

/Or I worded something poorly.

omeganuepsilon: The allegations came out after, AFTER,  AFTER, the breakup started

Nope, wasn't my wording.

No you are misreading what I'm saying.
Woody molested Dylan as a way to get back at everybody who claimed his relationship with Soon-Yi was incestious/molestation/creepy. As in "You want to see child molestation, I'll show you child molestation."

And here's why it makes sense, whenever an older guy gets married or into a serious to a much younger woman, he has to sort of justify it to his friends and the public at large. "Yeah, I know it looks sleazy, but this is why it's not..." And this is for a younger woman who was a complete stranger, let alone his longtime Girlfriend's adopted daughter he knew since she was 14 and he started banging her as soon as soon as legally possible. Woody's reaction was "What's the big deal, you people are crazy." He's not playing with a full deck.


Yeah, I'm the one with the misreading problem.  Way to divert.

As for the remainder of your ramble(which by the way had bits that were utterly irrelevant)
It's possible that if he did it that would be a motivation.

But, in that scenario, you would have to have them alone together, in MIA's house, 8 months or so AFTER the very heated break-up. Kind of convoluted really.
 
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