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(The New York Times)   Woody Allen's adoptive daughter gives new disturbing details on the sexual abuse he allegedly inflicted on her   (kristof.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 204
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2014-02-01 10:36:48 PM  
On the one hand, anyone with some sort of grudge can make any allegation to anyone and even if it's false, he or she (usually he), will have a scarlet letter on him forever.

On the other hand fark Woody Allen, Annie Hall beat Star Wars for best picture.
 
2014-02-01 10:43:54 PM  
Disgusting imagery, but I know there'll be opinions all over the place on veracity.
 
2014-02-01 10:59:59 PM  
If it's true, call the police. There's literally nothing you can tell me about Woody Allen short of actionable crimes I don't already just assume. He's like a mix of Garey Busey weird, Mel Brooks Jewish, and Jeff Dahlmer creepy.
 
2014-02-01 11:18:42 PM  

doglover: If it's true, call the police. There's literally nothing you can tell me about Woody Allen short of actionable crimes I don't already just assume. He's like a mix of Garey Busey weird, Mel Brooks Jewish, and Jeff Dahlmer creepy.


Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma.  Money has it's privileges. Mia was painted as a nut case in the trails..however even then the judges wouldn't award custody of their biological children to Woody. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20782501,00.html
 
2014-02-01 11:20:47 PM  

optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

 
2014-02-01 11:26:51 PM  
I'm inclined to believe her...what does she have to gain?  There was evidence that he did sexually assault her but it was dropped.
 
2014-02-01 11:38:38 PM  

doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.


Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.
 
2014-02-01 11:47:56 PM  
Is the statute of limitations expired here? If so, how about civil court?

Why should Woody Allen get treated any different than Catholic priests?
 
2014-02-01 11:49:37 PM  

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.
 
2014-02-01 11:51:38 PM  
Oh, boy! It's this thread again!
 
2014-02-01 11:52:04 PM  
Is this why Woody himself can't star in his own brilliant movies because people are just creeped out by him?
 
2014-02-01 11:52:37 PM  
He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother's electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me.

That's not rape-rape, so it's OK.
 
2014-02-01 11:53:50 PM  

DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!


Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.
 
2014-02-01 11:55:36 PM  
Brainwashed girl with false memories yeah that's credible.
 
2014-02-01 11:56:17 PM  
What a monster. Who names a girl "Dylan"?
 
2014-02-01 11:59:11 PM  

fusillade762: What a monster. Who names a girl "Dylan"?


Wealthy NYC bohemians bowing at the altar of the "Voice of their Generation"TM?
 
2014-02-02 12:03:07 AM  
jesus
just

jesus
 
2014-02-02 12:07:33 AM  
I was molested at the age of three. I spent the next couple decades thinking about that every single day. But at first it wasn't until somebody told me it was wrong that it damaged me.

What if making a big deal out of it was the reason it has such lasting effects on the victim?

Let me make a distinction. Penetrating a young orifice and hurting a child is definitely wrong. But what if we're just talking about playful spraying on a 13 year-old girl's groin area with the sprinkler from the yard? The only reason that's damaging is because we convince ourselves so. Because she has to live with the pain of being wanted by an uncle who has no way of fulfilling his fantasy.

Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

I'll admit...I'm a little creeped out by typing that. But I can't help but wonder if that's what goes through some peoples' heads.
 
2014-02-02 12:10:37 AM  

jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.


Dude....she was seven.
 
2014-02-02 12:16:05 AM  

Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.


I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.
 
2014-02-02 12:23:25 AM  
I couldn't make it to the second paragraph
 
2014-02-02 12:27:02 AM  

Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.


he had a point and made it.


Whether tis nobler to be trolled by the slings and arrows. and some such stuff.

I duuno.
 
2014-02-02 12:32:56 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.


You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?
 
2014-02-02 12:37:16 AM  
You don't go from this:

rememberinghistory.files.wordpress.com

To This:
storyflakes.files.wordpress.com

Without some thing going on.

The Citation of the first photo is here: http://rememberinghistory.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/on-this-day-in-199 7 -woody-allen-marries-his-adopted-step-daughter-soon-yi-previn/
 
2014-02-02 12:38:12 AM  

jaylectricity: Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.

I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.


I think the important thing here is that your own sexual abuse has left you with healthy thoughts about children and sexuality.

/I think a 13 year old would realize deliberately spraying her groin has a sexual connotation.
 
2014-02-02 12:39:31 AM  
Reminds me of the old joke about Woody Allen's films being released in a single set. The set will be designed to be like him in that it comes in a small yellow box.

/aisle seat
 
2014-02-02 12:47:07 AM  

Lsherm: jaylectricity: Lsherm: jaylectricity: Oh gee, how it must suck for a moderately pretty girl to be sought after by a man with experience.

Dude....she was seven.

I'll admit the way I phrased my post lent itself to you thinking I was talking about Dylan. I was talking about the 13 year old in the specific instance of the sprinkler thing.

Even if you sprayed the sprinkler at a 7-year-old, chances are she'd have no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Unless you told her, and made a big deal about what a victim she was.

But...BUT! But, obviously if you let a creep spray your 7yo daughter's groin with a sprinkler, he might just try to push that boundary. Slippery slope and whatnot.

How about I point a sprinkler at her midsection?
How about I give her a bath in the kitchen sink and spray her in the midsection?
How about I ask her to do jumping jacks?

Etc.

I think the important thing here is that your own sexual abuse has left you with healthy thoughts about children and sexuality.

/I think a 13 year old would realize deliberately spraying her groin has a sexual connotation.


As long as you agree they're healthy thoughts, I have no problem with your other assumptions.
 
2014-02-02 01:05:46 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.

What about between Hollywood and Penn State cultures in their protectionism? I find it interesting when people talk about separating these directors' cinematic achievements from their scandals, does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?

/Obviously imperfect comparison, as Sandusky has several victims, a trial verdict, and overwhelming evidence.


Thats a perfectly valid point.  Take the O.J. Simpson case.  Some said he should be expelled from the Hall of Fame and his records expunged.  I'd disagree.  A bad persons achievements should stand.  As well as their evils.

But certainly, IMO, no excuses or leniency given to people who've done evil -regardless of anything else.

Sometimes a lot can be learned by looking at where the protectionism comes from, especially in terms of the motivation for that protection.
 
2014-02-02 01:21:30 AM  

jaylectricity: As long as you agree they're healthy thoughts, I have no problem with your other assumptions.


If can't tell if your sarcasm meter is broken or if my troll meter is broken.
 
2014-02-02 01:54:30 AM  

DrBenway: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.

You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?


We needed "this thread again" until one got greened.
 
2014-02-02 02:17:39 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: DrBenway: Oh, boy! It's this thread again!

Damn victim speaking up! She should just keep her mouth shut.

You read my mind! That's exactly what I was getting at. You're very, very good. Can you bend spoons, too?

We needed "this thread again" until one got greened.


But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo (of Allen with his daughter Bechet in his lap* which he continues to allege is his wife as a child) in this thread like he has in every other one? Yeah, that thread again. I don't know what did or didn't happen -- the fact that nothing came of the case doesn't necessarily clear him as far as I'm concerned -- but it's more than a little bit lame if that's what you resort to to try and make a point, wouldn't you agree?

*for reference, see also: NEW YORK - FEBRUARY 08: Woody Allen and daughter Bechet Dumaine Allen attend San Antonio Spurs vs NY Knicks game at Madison Square Garden in New York City on February 8, 2008. (Photo by James Devaney/WireImage)
 
2014-02-02 02:26:40 AM  

DrBenway: But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo


PROTIP for optikeye: never ever use wordpress as a source for anything, other than as an example of how bad it is to use wordpress as a source.
 
2014-02-02 02:52:52 AM  
 
2014-02-02 02:52:56 AM  
"I won't disturb you with the details, they would only..."
"Yes?"
"...disturb you."
 
2014-02-02 02:53:59 AM  

Frederick: doglover: optikeye: Mia Farrow did call the police...and it was dropped because of subjecting the child to further trauma. Money has it's privileges.

Parallels can be drawn, in my opinion, to the Roman Polanski case.


I think it's been pretty well established that if you are successful in Hollywood, you can fark anybody.
 
2014-02-02 02:59:52 AM  
never stick your dick in crazy
 
2014-02-02 03:01:13 AM  

slayer199: I'm inclined to believe her...what does she have to gain?  There was evidence that he did sexually assault her but it was dropped.


She got your attention, didn't she?
 
2014-02-02 03:03:30 AM  
I have no sympathy for people who keep trying to smear someone's name. There is a time that is called "put up or shut up". It is the height of irony that they claim that they cannot prosecute because of subjecting the child to further trauma and yet said child has no problem subjecting herself to further trauma by bringing the topic up again and again. So either the mother and and daughter are sadists or they have some other agenda.

In my observation and experience genuine victims want to move on with their lives sooner or later. Constantly picking at a wound can do him no harm and only make them look bad..In fact, they are probably helping Woody under the theory that bad publicity is better than no publicity.
 
2014-02-02 03:07:42 AM  
When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.
 
2014-02-02 03:09:08 AM  
Bieber's been in the press a lot lately, now they're bringing out this smelly 20-year-old cheese.

The military-industrial complex must have some serious shiat going on that they're trying to distract us from.
 
2014-02-02 03:29:13 AM  

darkjezter: When Woody Allen's affair with Soon-Yi was made public, Frank Sinatra asked Mia Farrow if she'd like him to break Woody Allen's legs.

Too bad Sinatra didn't actually do it.


And yet Mia has now said she had an affair with Sinatra behind the backs of her partner and Sinatra's wife, and that Sinatra may be the father of one of her children. Irrespective of the fact that Soon Yi was her adopted daughter surely an affair is an affair? How can she take the high road with Woody and Soon Yi's actions when she and Sinatra did the same?

Also interesting that Mia accused the award organisers of "showing contempt" when she had happily consented to allow them to use footage of her. Surely she should have refused if she felt that way?
 
2014-02-02 03:29:23 AM  

YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html


thank you for that.
 
2014-02-02 03:30:22 AM  

frestcrallen: Bieber's been in the press a lot lately, now they're bringing out this smelly 20-year-old cheese.

The military-industrial complex must have some serious shiat going on that they're trying to distract us from.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2014-02-02 03:37:27 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: does anybody say that about Sandusky and football?


I would. People are complex. They can do both bad and good things without one diminishing the other; very few people are either "good" or "evil" and I'd argue that attempting to classify anyone that way is likely a net loss for society, and not anything like a useful model of the truth.

If you're looking for an example of a good father, Woody Allen is not your guy. He's maybe even a criminally bad, and if that's the case he should be held accountable just like anyone else (to be clear, I'm not being dismissive -- it might well be true -- I just don't feel that I have the information to make an informed judgement). But that has essentially no impact on his movies, just like Sandusky's abuse has no impact on his football contributions. It's wrong to ignore his harm because of his accomplishments (or fame, or money, or whatever other excuse we might use), but the reverse is equally true.
 
2014-02-02 03:45:40 AM  
I'll just leave this, if anyone is interested.
 
2014-02-02 03:56:00 AM  

log_jammin: YoungLochinvar: Saw this on twitter earlier:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

thank you for that.


Seconded. Long, but quite interesting. Funny how much of the content of that is familiar to me just from seeing the pro and con bits in all these recent threads on the subject. The series of points about Soon Yi which he refutes one by one could have all come straight from those threads. As could many of his responses to them.

In any event, I'm glad I stuck it out to its end, as the bit about Mia and her express approval of a clip of herself used in the Golden Globes tribute montage was a hoot, given that she was slamming Allen on Twitter while the tribute was being shown at the awards show. You can't explain that.
 
2014-02-02 03:57:01 AM  

profplump: If you're looking for an example of a good father, Woody Allen is not your guy.


In what way is he not a good father?
 
2014-02-02 03:58:28 AM  

log_jammin: notsureifserious.jpg


No.  Is there a tongue in cheek font?

/Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face
 
2014-02-02 04:02:08 AM  
Oh yeah -- one other thing about that piece: the comments. A substantial number of them appear to be by people who didn't actually read it (surprise!) as they parrot many of the very things which he spent time discussing and in most instances dismissing.
 
2014-02-02 04:02:22 AM  

log_jammin: DrBenway: But did you correctly guess that optikeye would post the same misleading photo

PROTIP for optikeye: never ever use wordpress as a source for anything, other than as an example of how bad it is to use wordpress as a source.


I can think of a dozen other websites that applies to.

I'm looking at you Slate, American Thinker, Daily Mail, Jezebel, Fox News, CNN, and irs.gov.
 
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