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2014-02-02 12:06:38 AM  
Jeopardy's Controversial New Champion Is Using Game Theory To Win Big

In Japan.


It's Arthur's in-game strategy of searching for the Daily Double that has made him such a target. Typically, contestants choose a single category and progressively move from the lowest amount up to the highest, giving viewers an easy-to-understand escalation of difficulty.

Bullsh*t. I see people Daily Double hunt all the time. It's not "game theory" it's just smart playing.
 
2014-02-02 12:11:09 AM  
It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.
 
2014-02-02 12:21:41 AM  
My mom has oldtimer's disease and can beat ant farker at Jeopardy.
It's like being acoustic.
 
2014-02-02 12:51:28 AM  

fusillade762: It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.


And it absolutely is the best strategy if you have control of the board.  Don't let your opponents get comfortable or get in a rhythm.  Keep them off guard.

He's there to win the game, not please grandmas who don't know how to work the fancy new remote on the new teevee their grandkids bought them after the trusty old Philco finally died.
 
2014-02-02 01:22:23 AM  
Speaking of games, you all just lost.
 
2014-02-02 01:28:30 AM  
i131.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-02 02:44:28 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

What a weird way for me to learn Scott Miller died last April. :(
 
2014-02-02 02:54:52 AM  

fusillade762: It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.


Because the main purpose of "Jeopardy" is for the viewers to get a rhythm and comprehend the subject, and to have attractive, symmetrical boards, and not for the contestants to win money.

Gotcha.

That's one of the most asinine articles I've ever read.
 
2014-02-02 03:17:07 AM  
I auditioned for Jeopardy!, one of 100 applicants. The test was they flash the answer on a screen, and you had maybe 15 seconds then the next one came up. Only 3 passed, and one had tested before. These questions were much harder than what you see on TV. Three stuck me, and they were such completely off the grid weird things....one was on the tip of my tongue and I remembered it halfway home, something to do with architecture. A farkin' professor that sat next to me failed too. I am no professor. I felt better that he sucked, too.

I got a souvenir pen out of it:(
 
2014-02-02 03:25:43 AM  
Someone is desperate to write something, anything to save his job. Wow that was lame.
 
2014-02-02 03:26:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.

Because the main purpose of "Jeopardy" is for the viewers to get a rhythm and comprehend the subject, and to have attractive, symmetrical boards, and not for the contestants to win money.

Gotcha.

That's one of the most asinine articles I've ever read.


Like any other television show, the main purpose is to have viewers.  Lose them and lose the show.
 
2014-02-02 03:27:15 AM  

fusillade762: Jeopardy's Controversial New Champion Is Using Game Theory To Win Big

In Japan.


It's Arthur's in-game strategy of searching for the Daily Double that has made him such a target. Typically, contestants choose a single category and progressively move from the lowest amount up to the highest, giving viewers an easy-to-understand escalation of difficulty.

Bullsh*t. I see people Daily Double hunt all the time. It's not "game theory" it's just smart playing.


"game theory" in this sense just means he plays by some set of thought-out rules rather than random guessing.

So your statement basically means, "it's not game theory it's just game theory."
 
2014-02-02 03:28:49 AM  

jake_lex: fusillade762: It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.

And it absolutely is the best strategy if you have control of the board.  Don't let your opponents get comfortable or get in a rhythm.  Keep them off guard.

He's there to win the game, not please grandmas who don't know how to work the fancy new remote on the new teevee their grandkids bought them after the trusty old Philco finally died.


I had a vague memory of reading that you locked yourself out for a few seconds if you attempted to Buzz Early - leading that to be a defeating strategy. I can understand why that's annoying.

But playing for the Tie? That's Awesome.

I'd heard of the guy from the Webcomic Erfworld.

Link
 
2014-02-02 03:29:04 AM  
Modern journalism in every subject is complete garbage.  Politics, sports, whatever the fark this counts as.  Sales has always been a motivating factor but content has been completely supplanted by sensation.  Especially if you're published on the internet.

This article is Daily Mail level.  This was written by someone from an Ivy League school which means they paid a lot of money to learn how to write this way.  An article about a game with faux astonishment at someone using game theory to win a game.  What is even the farking point.  Why write it, why be a writer?  Why put those thoughts onto a .docx, send it to your editor without first considering drinking yourself to death instead?  Maybe part of the reason is that the contestant is a chubby Asian so he looks like some menacing Kim Jong Jeopardy! fellow who is using sinister Feng shui kung fu muay thai tactics to gain an unfair advantage.  I can't believe this article isn't full of lolcat pictures, I can't believe an unpaid intern from Business Insider wasn't tasked with editing a photo of a Siamese cat, mid-blink, to look like he was standing behind a Jeopardy! podium.  I can't believe there's not a link to another article which links to a Buzzfeed which links to a Tumblr which has photographs of cats which look like Jeopardy! contestants.  A guy paid $50,000 a year for four years to write this.  "CONTROVERSIAL NEW (Jeopardy) CHAMPION."  It's Jeopardy!  You watch it while eating spaghetti.  You shout the answers out with your family before Wheel of Fortune comes on.  You've never once said "I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT CONNIVING CHINK HAS THE GALL TO PICK GREEK POETRY FOR $800 BEFORE PICKING GREEK POETRY FOR $200."  This article is garbage, the writer is an embarrassment.
 
2014-02-02 03:34:00 AM  

freetomato: I auditioned for Jeopardy!, one of 100 applicants. The test was they flash the answer on a screen, and you had maybe 15 seconds then the next one came up. Only 3 passed, and one had tested before. These questions were much harder than what you see on TV. Three stuck me, and they were such completely off the grid weird things....one was on the tip of my tongue and I remembered it halfway home, something to do with architecture. A farkin' professor that sat next to me failed too. I am no professor. I felt better that he sucked, too.

I got a souvenir pen out of it:(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvUZijEuNDQ
 
2014-02-02 03:52:41 AM  

StinkyFiddlewinks: Someone is desperate to write something, anything to save his job. Wow that was lame.


It is Business Insider after all.
 
2014-02-02 05:10:01 AM  
I assume he's foreign looking, unlike white-bread Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter

*checks page*

I was expecting blah, but slanty-eyed will do, too.

/thatswasis.gif
 
2014-02-02 05:15:08 AM  
In other news there is a "Jeopardy Community"
 
2014-02-02 05:32:05 AM  
I use game theory in poker. Thing is, you have to figure out the amount of your bet as well as your probability of winning with your hand at each and every move and that quickly becomes exhausting after a couple of hours. The guy might not have to play that long (although tv games are often shot back to back for the whole week) but he's on a timer.
Asians and maths stereotype, uh.
 
2014-02-02 05:41:05 AM  
People will get butthurt about most anything.
 
2014-02-02 05:55:02 AM  
Remember when Fark was on jeopardy.

Good times.
 
2014-02-02 06:03:44 AM  

styckx: In other news there is a "Jeopardy Community"


There probably is.
Not unlike TFD SNL threads, election day threads, Walking Dead, or Breaking Bad threads.
 
2014-02-02 06:27:37 AM  

styckx: In other news there is a "Jeopardy Community"


And they frown upon Arthur Chu's shenanigans
 
2014-02-02 07:30:25 AM  
Didn't Ken Jennings use the scatter-board strategy too?
 
2014-02-02 07:53:42 AM  

wxboy: Didn't Ken Jennings use the scatter-board strategy too?


No. Maybe occasionally, but he usually played straight through.

On the subject of Arthur: I'm so ready for him to lose. He has no flow, his exaggerated buzzer style is annoying. His stories are annoying. His face is annoying. I'm glad I don't have to see his face for three weeks.
 
2014-02-02 08:32:21 AM  
I like Arthur and I hope he wins a billion dollars ... that ought to run right up Trebek's ass.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-02 08:52:52 AM  
I think the computer that was on the show did that too.

If you can answer those questions and use up the Daily Doubles then go for it.

/had two different dreams that I was on Jeopardy.
 
2014-02-02 09:23:52 AM  

fusillade762: Jeopardy's Controversial New Champion Is Using Game Theory To Win Big

In Japan.


It's Arthur's in-game strategy of searching for the Daily Double that has made him such a target. Typically, contestants choose a single category and progressively move from the lowest amount up to the highest, giving viewers an easy-to-understand escalation of difficulty.

Bullsh*t. I see people Daily Double hunt all the time. It's not "game theory" it's just smart playing.


I saw someone else do that.  Some lady was leading some guy who was like a professor of medieval literature, and a topic related to that came up.  She immediately went for the $2000 question in that category, got the Daily Double, bet like $300 bucks, missed it, and moved on.  He came back and swept the topic once he had control of the board.  If he had control of the board and gotten the Daily Double, he could have caught up to her, or passed her.
 
2014-02-02 09:35:36 AM  

TheZorker: jake_lex: fusillade762: It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.

And it absolutely is the best strategy if you have control of the board.  Don't let your opponents get comfortable or get in a rhythm.  Keep them off guard.

He's there to win the game, not please grandmas who don't know how to work the fancy new remote on the new teevee their grandkids bought them after the trusty old Philco finally died.

I had a vague memory of reading that you locked yourself out for a few seconds if you attempted to Buzz Early - leading that to be a defeating strategy. I can understand why that's annoying.

But playing for the Tie? That's Awesome.

I'd heard of the guy from the Webcomic Erfworld.

Link


Came into this thread to mention erfworld, I see that my work is already done here.

That being said, all the butthurt around this guy is just lulzy. Why wouldn't he start out big hunting for the DD, esp. on topics he knows. He's not playing to win (although he is doing crazy good, averaging 25k a night so for) rather playing to not lose. His opponents cant win if he takes his board control and uses it to snap up all the big money answers.
 
2014-02-02 09:48:43 AM  
img.fark.net

But hey, it's just a theory. A GAME THEORY. Thanks for reading.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MatthewPatrick13/videos
 
2014-02-02 10:22:38 AM  

Sir VG: [img.fark.net image 660x369]

But hey, it's just a theory. A GAME THEORY. Thanks for reading.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MatthewPatrick13/videos


Hello, Internet, Welcome to Jeopardy - Where the question is the answer and the Dailies are alway doubled!
 
2014-02-02 10:38:01 AM  

styckx: In other news there is a "Jeopardy Community"


There is. I know a five-time champion who posts links on Facebook whenever news stories about it come along (she posted this one the other day), or auditions are coming up or something, and often some of the people commenting on her posts are other former Jeopardy! champions. They all have something interesting and unusual in common, and people who do tend to stick together.
 
2014-02-02 12:29:03 PM  
It's always bothered me when Jeopardy contestants out-bet each other by a dollar. Is that dollar worth depriving the other player of thousands of dollars? It's just a dick move. Nice to see this guy's willing to share the throne.
 
2014-02-02 12:30:36 PM  
He won't be on for another 3 weeks due to a tournament.
 
2014-02-02 12:50:17 PM  

fusillade762: It's a grating experience for the viewer, who isn't given enough to time to get in a rhythm or fully comprehend the new subject area. And it makes for ugly, scattered boards

Oh boo-F*CKING-HOO. TFA makes Jeopardy viewers sound like whiny imbeciles.


And after reading TFA, I think I like the guy.  He plays a smart game.
 
2014-02-02 12:51:50 PM  

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: Jeopardy's Controversial New Champion Is Using Game Theory To Win Big

In Japan.


It's Arthur's in-game strategy of searching for the Daily Double that has made him such a target. Typically, contestants choose a single category and progressively move from the lowest amount up to the highest, giving viewers an easy-to-understand escalation of difficulty.

Bullsh*t. I see people Daily Double hunt all the time. It's not "game theory" it's just smart playing.

I saw someone else do that.  Some lady was leading some guy who was like a professor of medieval literature, and a topic related to that came up.  She immediately went for the $2000 question in that category, got the Daily Double, bet like $300 bucks, missed it, and moved on.  He came back and swept the topic once he had control of the board.  If he had control of the board and gotten the Daily Double, he could have caught up to her, or passed her.


You lost me there. Every time she doesn't find the Daily Double, she finds an open question in his area of expertise, giving him a good shot at taking the board. She should lose the board very quickly like that. Finding the Daily Double was just dumb luck.
 
2014-02-02 01:13:34 PM  
It's strange to wager for a tie so you both move on??????

I would think the person you're moving on with is a "known quantity" in the next round. Why start the next round with two unknowns when you can arrange to have only one unknown?

People seem to be upset by the "You must lose in order for me to win" mentality he has. His goal is to remove opportunities from the board and dominate the game so that he wins. He's not there to meet new friends.

He must have Klingon blood in him. <growl>
 
2014-02-02 01:24:03 PM  
I can't see how this isn't a slightly more numerate type of strategy that has you locking down Australia in Risk. As everyone knows, this is the royal road to world domination.
 
2014-02-02 01:30:49 PM  
I just wish the guy would wear a shirt that fits. If you are going to be on national TV try not to look like a slob.

But yeah, he is good at the game, and ultimately that is what it is.

The #1 Strategy is to know every answer, and the #2 is to get your button timing down.
 
2014-02-02 02:38:30 PM  
Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of my Jeopardy appearance and it's apropos that this week is the "80's Tournament!" Dug out my VHS and dubbed it to DVD because I couldn't believe it still played.

Oct 31, 1988: I was on the second day against Brian Wangsgard, who went on to become a 5-day champ, win the TOC and that year's special 5th anniversary "Super Jeopardy" tournament winner. For a long time he was high on the list of money makers but In the current dumbed-down era the winners' totals are much larger than in the old days.

Obligatory attention-whoring screenshot:

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I'll bet he doesn't remember me but I sure remember him. Guess there's no real shame when you lose to one of the game's greatest players.

/had a geek crush on Chuck Forrest
 
2014-02-02 02:38:31 PM  
Holy f*ck what a terrible article.
 
2014-02-02 03:28:34 PM  

goatleggedfellow: You lost me there. Every time she doesn't find the Daily Double, she finds an open question in his area of expertise, giving him a good shot at taking the board. She should lose the board very quickly like that. Finding the Daily Double was just dumb luck.


But she knows that the DD will be in one of the top two spots in each category.  If she takes the top spot in her opponent's area of expertise, all she has to do is buzz in first.  Even if she doesn't know the answer, she deprives him of the most valuable spot on the board.  Even after he cleared the rest of the category, he lost the DD which he likely would have cleaned up on.
 
2014-02-02 03:50:21 PM  

vudukungfu: My mom has oldtimer's disease and can beat ant farker at Jeopardy.
It's like being acoustic.


Those ant farkers are surprisingly effective.  I mean, have you seen how many ants there are?  A lot of ant farking going on, so I am skeptical.
 
2014-02-02 04:04:06 PM  

catzies: Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of my Jeopardy appearance and it's apropos that this week is the "80's Tournament!" Dug out my VHS and dubbed it to DVD because I couldn't believe it still played.

Oct 31, 1988: I was on the second day against Brian Wangsgard, who went on to become a 5-day champ, win the TOC and that year's special 5th anniversary "Super Jeopardy" tournament winner. For a long time he was high on the list of money makers but In the current dumbed-down era the winners' totals are much larger than in the old days.

Obligatory attention-whoring screenshot:

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 526x395]

I'll bet he doesn't remember me but I sure remember him. Guess there's no real shame when you lose to one of the game's greatest players.

/had a geek crush on Chuck Forrest


How much did you end up with?? Do you remember what the final Jeopardy was?
 
2014-02-02 04:09:43 PM  

NobleHam: It's always bothered me when Jeopardy contestants out-bet each other by a dollar. Is that dollar worth depriving the other player of thousands of dollars? It's just a dick move. Nice to see this guy's willing to share the throne.


Why not bet the minimum you need to win?

/"Who are three people who've never been in my kitchen?"
 
2014-02-02 04:33:15 PM  

legion_of_doo: NobleHam: It's always bothered me when Jeopardy contestants out-bet each other by a dollar. Is that dollar worth depriving the other player of thousands of dollars? It's just a dick move. Nice to see this guy's willing to share the throne.

Why not bet the minimum you need to win?

/"Who are three people who've never been in my kitchen?"


There are a couple of things that this does though.  First, you get to ensure that you see only one new contestant.  The other contestant then is someone you have some data on and have a better chance of adjusting accordingly.  The flipside is that it is also true in reverse.  Secondly, you also have beaten them previously: they only went forward by betting everything.  You bet the minimum required.  If you both got the question wrong, you would still win.  If you both get the question right, you still move forward.  If they got it wrong and you got it right, you win.  Only one case would have allowed them to advance and not you: you got the question wrong, they got it right.  So in 3 out of 4 scenarios you advance by betting a tying amount.
 
2014-02-02 05:16:57 PM  

legion_of_doo: NobleHam: It's always bothered me when Jeopardy contestants out-bet each other by a dollar. Is that dollar worth depriving the other player of thousands of dollars? It's just a dick move. Nice to see this guy's willing to share the throne.

Why not bet the minimum you need to win?

/"Who are three people who've never been in my kitchen?"



The key question has always been this- what advantage do you gain by betting more than you need to in order to advance?  It's not like you split the winnings with your co-winner.

If a tie meant nobody advances, or if a tie meant the winners would split a jackpot, then you have a completely different story.
 
2014-02-02 05:45:58 PM  

eas81: catzies: Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of my Jeopardy appearance and it's apropos that this week is the "80's Tournament!" Dug out my VHS and dubbed it to DVD because I couldn't believe it still played.

Oct 31, 1988: I was on the second day against Brian Wangsgard, who went on to become a 5-day champ, win the TOC and that year's special 5th anniversary "Super Jeopardy" tournament winner. For a long time he was high on the list of money makers but In the current dumbed-down era the winners' totals are much larger than in the old days.

Obligatory attention-whoring screenshot:

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 526x395]

I'll bet he doesn't remember me but I sure remember him. Guess there's no real shame when you lose to one of the game's greatest players.

/had a geek crush on Chuck Forrest

How much did you end up with?? Do you remember what the final Jeopardy was?


I came in 3rd back in the day when money only went to the winner. I got a refrigerator, a case of Chun King shrimp egg rolls and an Epilady (an extinct torture device).

Of course I remember. Category: Chemistry. Answer: Most common molecule in the human body. We all got it right but I had the least amount of money and bet none, hoping they would be wrong and cancel each other out.

The maxim of game show contestants is you never remember what you answered correctly but you never forget what you got wrong.  I got the daily double in the first round, bet it all and lost it all and still get pissed off at the mere mention of Marlon Brando's name.
 
2014-02-02 05:57:18 PM  

catzies: Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of my Jeopardy appearance and it's apropos that this week is the "80's Tournament!" Dug out my VHS and dubbed it to DVD because I couldn't believe it still played.

Oct 31, 1988: I was on the second day against Brian Wangsgard, who went on to become a 5-day champ, win the TOC and that year's special 5th anniversary "Super Jeopardy" tournament winner. For a long time he was high on the list of money makers but In the current dumbed-down era the winners' totals are much larger than in the old days.

Obligatory attention-whoring screenshot:

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 526x395]

I'll bet he doesn't remember me but I sure remember him. Guess there's no real shame when you lose to one of the game's greatest players.

/had a geek crush on Chuck Forrest


Good god, woman, that is an 80's picture if ever there was one.
 
2014-02-02 06:00:15 PM  

fusillade762: Jeopardy's Controversial New Champion Is Using Game Theory To Win Big

In Japan
.


It's Arthur's in-game strategy of searching for the Daily Double that has made him such a target. Typically, contestants choose a single category and progressively move from the lowest amount up to the highest, giving viewers an easy-to-understand escalation of difficulty.

Bullsh*t. I see people Daily Double hunt all the time. It's not "game theory" it's just smart playing.


Big in Japan, you say?
 
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