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2014-02-01 04:15:45 PM  
3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?
 
2014-02-01 04:20:10 PM  
Great headline.
 
2014-02-01 05:25:20 PM  
Can you actually believe that "the oil industry, some union groups, congressional Republicans and others" invoke "United States less dependent on foreign oil "?? What contemptible bullzhit.
That must be just FOX, nobody can be that stupid still??
What? Aawww well, I guess,,,
 
2014-02-01 05:28:05 PM  
Good.
 
2014-02-01 05:33:22 PM  

oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?


It's not about us. It's about the oil companies. They're the only ones that matter.
 
2014-02-01 05:46:31 PM  
So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?
 
2014-02-01 05:50:37 PM  

oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?


I literally have no words for how stupid this thing has become.

China: 'Hey, we need oil, cheap!'

Oil Companies: 'Hey, we have lots of oil that's cheap because it's hard to refine into a usable product for the American market'

China: 'Awesome, we'll take it!'

Oil Companies: 'Well, it's in Canada'

Canada: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across the Rockies.'

Oil Companies: 'America will do it. They do everything we want anyway.'

America: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across some of the most profitable and productive agricultural land on the planet.'
 
2014-02-01 05:51:39 PM  

oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?


I heard that there were a lot of people were employed to build places like this back in the day too.

www.masonmichigan.net
 
2014-02-01 05:52:05 PM  
A leaking, drippy pipeline that will help Canada.

So.... they benefit and we get the pollution, disruption and constant threat of spills and subsequent firey death.

Great.
 
2014-02-01 05:52:50 PM  

fusillade762: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

It's not about us. It's about the CHINESE oil companies. They're the only ones that matter.


FTFY, cuz there's not a single drop of this oil that's going to help America in the tiniest bit.
 
2014-02-01 05:55:57 PM  

oldernell: Someone tell me what the US gains out of this.


I believe the pipeline 'sticks it' to the libs, and studies show that there's a 75% likelihood that it will make people who like the environment cry. And freedoms, or something.
 
2014-02-01 06:01:18 PM  
The Keystone XL is "not about energy versus the environment. It's about where Americans want to get their oil," said Russ Girling, CEO of pipeline developer TransCanada.

horseshiat. we aren't getting any oil from this. the TX refineries do but then the refined product goes on a ship and leaves. we get the left over sludge.

one more example of obama not living up to his promise(s). yeah yeah it could have been worse palin as vp and a dead mc cain. ok that would be worse.
 
2014-02-01 06:05:06 PM  

Curious: The Keystone XL is "not about energy versus the environment. It's about where Americans want to get their oil," said Russ Girling, CEO of pipeline developer TransCanada.

horseshiat. we aren't getting any oil from this. the TX refineries do but then the refined product goes on a ship and leaves. we get the left over sludge.

one more example of obama not living up to his promise(s). yeah yeah it could have been worse palin as vp and a dead mc cain. ok that would be worse.


Obama is caving because the pro-pipeline lobby did a fantastic job in lying to people about the pros and cons of the whole thing.
 
2014-02-01 06:07:19 PM  
Wow subby's butthurt again. He not only finds liberals irritating, but doubly so when they speak out against the antiquated system that he carries water for.

Also, thanks for the Faux "News" link, too. It really bolsters your superior attitude.
 
2014-02-01 06:08:17 PM  

oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?


TFA says the oil will be refined in (Gulf Coast) refineries. Where it goes from there is market dependent AFAIK, and we already export a shiat ton of gasoline, diesel and other refined oil products from those same refineries. So you can think of the Keystone oil as providing raw material for lots of US jobs for decades to come.

On a larger scale having the oil run into the US gives us a measurable influence over it as a strategic commodity, compared to having it run out to either Canadian coast for shipment to overseas refineries and end users.
 
2014-02-01 06:08:25 PM  
I still remember when Sarah Palin gave over a $100 million to Trans-Canada to build a non-existent pipeline to nowhere.

/She still lives in fear of being arrested for embezzlement of Alaska State money.
 
2014-02-01 06:09:03 PM  
The political will to push this thing through no matter who protests or what the concerns may be is strong.

I support the people who don't support this pipeline project.

I don't trust in the safety of the thing and overall I weigh the thing as a net negative in terms of economic pluses versus environmental negatives.

/That all noted, a Keystone cops reference in the headline?
//How old is subby, exactly?
///Should I just get the hell offa his/her lawn for asking that?
 
2014-02-01 06:09:12 PM  
If the Oil and the derivtive products stayed in the US, i would consider supporting the pipeline, but as it doesn't, I refuse to support it.
 
2014-02-01 06:13:34 PM  

Stone Meadow: On a larger scale having the oil run into the US gives us a measurable influence over it as a strategic commodity, compared to having it run out to either Canadian coast for shipment to overseas refineries and end users.


Even though it will eventually run to either coast in Canada?
 
2014-02-01 06:14:20 PM  

oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?


No, no tax.  That's the beautiful part.  See, there's  a loop hole in our laws so that if you pipe oil from Canada directly to an US refinery and then pipe it directly to a ship, it doesn't count as even have ever BEEN in the US and it's un taxed.

(and no, I'm not making this up)

The only "Americans" making money off this are the Koch brothers to process it.  That's it.

Even the construction of the new pipeline is going to be done largely by Canadians.
 
2014-02-01 06:15:17 PM  
I'm glad you younger folk get all riled up about this (and rightfully so), because as one of the "old people" (48) I'm just about winded ranting about this shiat.

Sometimes I just want to throw my hands up and go, "Hey, corporations?  Yeah, you won.  Knock yourselves out." and just let the inevitable proceed.  Hell, I'll be dead before the biggest impacts of this "Pave The Earth" trend bear its greatest fruits.  But then -- even though I don't have any children -- I have the "think of the children" moment and then try to push my fatalist attitude toward the back burner.

It sometimes feels increasingly hopeless fighting these battles, though.  Other than activists there's really no appreciable representation.
 
2014-02-01 06:16:39 PM  

b0rg9: I'm glad you younger folk get all riled up about this (and rightfully so), because as one of the "old people" (48) I'm just about winded ranting about this shiat.

Sometimes I just want to throw my hands up and go, "Hey, corporations?  Yeah, you won.  Knock yourselves out." and just let the inevitable proceed.  Hell, I'll be dead before the biggest impacts of this "Pave The Earth" trend bear its greatest fruits.  But then -- even though I don't have any children -- I have the "think of the children" moment and then try to push my fatalist attitude toward the back burner.

It sometimes feels increasingly hopeless fighting these battles, though.  Other than activists there's really no appreciable representation.


I'm reaching that point and I'm only 26.
 
2014-02-01 06:16:52 PM  

oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?


The US gains nothing from it. All we're doing is legitimizing the use of a non-renewable polluting resource we should have been moving away from over 35 years now. Even if we did tax it heavily, the benefits would hardly outweigh the long-tern damage to progress, society and he environment.
 
2014-02-01 06:20:21 PM  
Pipeline Security

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2014-02-01 06:25:12 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Stone Meadow: On a larger scale having the oil run into the US gives us a measurable influence over it as a strategic commodity, compared to having it run out to either Canadian coast for shipment to overseas refineries and end users.

Even though it will eventually run to either coast in Canada?


Not sure I follow you. Since the oil goes to refineries on the US Gulf Coast, how does it eventually run to either coast in Canada?
 
2014-02-01 06:28:09 PM  

Stone Meadow: Mrtraveler01: Stone Meadow: On a larger scale having the oil run into the US gives us a measurable influence over it as a strategic commodity, compared to having it run out to either Canadian coast for shipment to overseas refineries and end users.

Even though it will eventually run to either coast in Canada?

Not sure I follow you. Since the oil goes to refineries on the US Gulf Coast, how does it eventually run to either coast in Canada?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enbridge_Northern_Gateway_Pipelines

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2014-02-01 06:29:24 PM  
We're reduced to squeezing some drops of toxic tar out of some shiatty sand scrapped oit of a desolate shiathole and then refining it into something useful only in places with no emissions standards so we can trade it for actual liquid crude from the same countries and this is the greateat possible thing for America ever ever
 
2014-02-01 06:32:14 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: We're reduced to squeezing some drops of toxic tar out of some shiatty sand scrapped oit of a desolate shiathole and then refining it into something useful only in places with no emissions standards so we can trade it for actual liquid crude from the same countries and this is the greateat possible thing for America ever ever


Making a shiat-ton of money for a handful of people is always what America's been about. Emissions standards be damned.
 
2014-02-01 06:33:19 PM  

HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?


It is ... for now.
 
2014-02-01 06:34:30 PM  

dionysusaur: HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?

It is ... for now.


Canada won't be annexed until after China invades Anchorage
 
2014-02-01 06:36:40 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: dionysusaur: HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?

It is ... for now.

Canada won't be annexed until after China invades Anchorage


China's more likely to invade Montana once their coal runs out in what , 50 years?
 
2014-02-01 06:37:46 PM  

whidbey: Doktor_Zhivago: dionysusaur: HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?

It is ... for now.

Canada won't be annexed until after China invades Anchorage

China's more likely to invade Montana once their coal runs out in what , 50 years?


Fallout reference. ...
 
2014-02-01 06:40:02 PM  

TV's Vinnie: fusillade762: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

It's not about us. It's about the CHINESE oil companies. They're the only ones that matter.

FTFY, cuz there's not a single drop of this oil that's going to help America in the tiniest bit.


I'm sure Exxon, Shell, BP and/or the Koch Brothers will manage to get a piece of the action.
 
2014-02-01 06:42:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Stone Meadow: Mrtraveler01: Stone Meadow: On a larger scale having the oil run into the US gives us a measurable influence over it as a strategic commodity, compared to having it run out to either Canadian coast for shipment to overseas refineries and end users.

Even though it will eventually run to either coast in Canada?

Not sure I follow you. Since the oil goes to refineries on the US Gulf Coast, how does it eventually run to either coast in Canada?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enbridge_Northern_Gateway_Pipelines

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Got it...thanks.
 
2014-02-01 06:53:05 PM  

HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?


That depends.  Is it the oil that says "aboot" or the oil that speaks in French?
 
2014-02-01 06:56:05 PM  

fusillade762: TV's Vinnie: fusillade762: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

It's not about us. It's about the CHINESE oil companies. They're the only ones that matter.

FTFY, cuz there's not a single drop of this oil that's going to help America in the tiniest bit.

I'm sure Exxon, Shell, BP and/or the Koch Brothers will manage to get a piece of the action.


You assume any of those f*sticks would spend a single penny in the US that's not devoted towards a PAC or some other right wing agency.
 
2014-02-01 07:07:27 PM  
How can you "civilly disobey" in this case? You can only use civil disobedience to ignore laws you believe are unfair. It's passive, not active.
 
2014-02-01 07:09:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: fusillade762: TV's Vinnie: fusillade762: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

It's not about us. It's about the CHINESE oil companies. They're the only ones that matter.

FTFY, cuz there's not a single drop of this oil that's going to help America in the tiniest bit.

I'm sure Exxon, Shell, BP and/or the Koch Brothers will manage to get a piece of the action.

You assume any of those f*sticks would spend a single penny in the US that's not devoted towards a PAC or some other right wing agency.


I assume they'll spend money when they think the ROI is good.
 
2014-02-01 07:15:00 PM  
FTA:

"U.S. and Canadian accident investigators warned last week about the dangers of oil trains that transport crude oil from North Dakota and other states to refineries in the U.S. and Canada. The officials urged new safety rules, cautioning that a "major loss of life" could result from an accident involving the increasing use of trains to transport large amounts of crude oil.

Several high-profile accidents involving crude oil shipments -- including a fiery explosion in North Dakota and an explosion that killed 47 people in Canada last year -- have raised alarms."

---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_derailment

We didn't hear much here in the US about the oil train that blew up in the center of Lac-Mégantic and killed those 47 people, even from environmentalists, although it was one of the worst disasters in North America in 2013.  That said, wouldn't the Keystone XL pipeline, or something like it, be a *less* dangerous way of getting crude oil to refineries and markets than the trains that are now being used?  And I am not asking this question as rhetoric.  Yes, there are all kinds of risks in a pipeline.  But we already *know* that using trains to transport crude oil can be deadly.
 
2014-02-01 07:18:19 PM  
I'll just add my 2 cents as someone living in Nebraska. I have not met a single person who likes the idea of the pipeline, I see lots of yard signs saying no to the pipeline, and when they played a Transcanada pipeline commercial at a Huskers football game the crowd erupted into boos. Yet the local AM station, which happens to play the usual Limbaughesque lineup of hosts, keeps saying Nebraskans want the pipeline.
 
2014-02-01 07:24:34 PM  

HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?


Not if you measure it in gallons instead of litres.
 
2014-02-01 07:25:01 PM  
Copy pasta from another thread

People can hym and haw about icky oil but my interest is purely strategic. Like it or not, oil is the lifeblood of modern civilization and I'd much rather that pipe come down into America than over to Vancouver or Prince Rupert for the waiting Chinese tankers. At the very least we'll put some of it on the world market, China won't.
 
2014-02-01 07:43:00 PM  
Just so people get it. Some holler about the world market. Well, Canada is the producer and it's their oil and it is in the world market stack. It's an electronic market. What were squabbling over is the delivery system and it behooves everyone to minimize the distance of transport. So China says "SOLD" and sends their armada of oil tankers sailing for BC Canadian shores. Now we're just talking about transportation. The Chinese tankers can gather off the coast of Texas instead. The oil is bought off the world market already. If we want some, we buy it too. When we buy it, it's so much easier delivery than tankers from afar. When Sudan puts their oil up..China jumps all over it. Sudan has been one of China's main gas stations for decades.

This is far more strategically important to the United States to have that pipeline directly through the mid west than gathering Chinese tankers up and down the ports of BC Canada. Our technology is the best on the planet environmentally than anywhere else on the planet no matter what the envirowanks think.

Anyone ever play any strategy games, EVER?
 
2014-02-01 07:43:35 PM  

LoneWolf343: How can you "civilly disobey" in this case? You can only use civil disobedience to ignore laws you believe are unfair. It's passive, not active.


People could sit down in the pipeline's path, I suppose.
 
2014-02-01 07:46:17 PM  

HawgWild: So ... Canadian oil isn't foreign oil?


What's Ted Cruz's position on that?
 
2014-02-01 07:46:18 PM  

MFAWG: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

I literally have no words for how stupid this thing has become.

China: 'Hey, we need oil, cheap!'

Oil Companies: 'Hey, we have lots of oil that's cheap because it's hard to refine into a usable product for the American market'

China: 'Awesome, we'll take it!'

Oil Companies: 'Well, it's in Canada'

Canada: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across the Rockies.'

Oil Companies: 'America will do it. They do everything we want anyway.'

America: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across some of the most profitable and productive agricultural land on the planet.'


Ya know, the Rockies NEEDS a nice tunnel.
For the trucks and and ambulances and ,, think of the children in the ambulances!!
 
2014-02-01 07:46:55 PM  

MFAWG: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

I literally have no words for how stupid this thing has become.

China: 'Hey, we need oil, cheap!'

Oil Companies: 'Hey, we have lots of oil that's cheap because it's hard to refine into a usable product for the American market'

China: 'Awesome, we'll take it!'

Oil Companies: 'Well, it's in Canada'

Canada: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across the Rockies.'

Oil Companies: 'America will do it. They do everything we want anyway.'

America: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across some of the most profitable and productive agricultural land on the planet.'


Basically this.
 
2014-02-01 07:48:18 PM  
Wait. Are Republicans for or against this because the president is definitely FOR this.
 
2014-02-01 07:49:00 PM  

Spare Me: Just so people get it. Some holler about the world market. Well, Canada is the producer and it's their oil and it is in the world market stack. It's an electronic market. What were squabbling over is the delivery system and it behooves everyone to minimize the distance of transport. So China says "SOLD" and sends their armada of oil tankers sailing for BC Canadian shores. Now we're just talking about transportation. The Chinese tankers can gather off the coast of Texas instead. The oil is bought off the world market already. If we want some, we buy it too. When we buy it, it's so much easier delivery than tankers from afar. When Sudan puts their oil up..China jumps all over it. Sudan has been one of China's main gas stations for decades.

This is far more strategically important to the United States to have that pipeline directly through the mid west than gathering Chinese tankers up and down the ports of BC Canada. Our technology is the best on the planet environmentally than anywhere else on the planet no matter what the envirowanks think.

Anyone ever play any strategy games, EVER?


Yes, Australia is usually a good starting off point. You sit patiently while everyone else battles it out and you build up your troops.
 
2014-02-01 07:52:25 PM  

mrshowrules: MFAWG: oldernell: 3500 jobs(maybe) during construction, 50 permanent jobs after construction.  All the pipeline does is transport foreign oil to a US port where it is exported to other countries.  Someone tell me what the US gains out of this. Are we taxing it?

I literally have no words for how stupid this thing has become.

China: 'Hey, we need oil, cheap!'

Oil Companies: 'Hey, we have lots of oil that's cheap because it's hard to refine into a usable product for the American market'

China: 'Awesome, we'll take it!'

Oil Companies: 'Well, it's in Canada'

Canada: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across the Rockies.'

Oil Companies: 'America will do it. They do everything we want anyway.'

America: 'Hey, we're not piping that shiat across some of the most profitable and productive agricultural land on the planet.'

Basically this.


Not to mention the pumas in the cravises
 
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