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(Topless Robot)   Since "Frozen" is one of the few Disney movies where a Princess isn't fawning over the first thing she sees with a dick, it's obvious that she's a lesbian. Really   ( toplessrobot.com) divider line
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2014-02-01 03:57:30 PM  
When she finally lets it go and embraces her true self, she gets a fabulous new glittery gown to match her new attitude, lets her hair flow free, and sparkles for all to see. Oh, and then she builds herself a palace that resembles She-Ra's Crystal Castle from the '80s cartoon series. In a movie filled with gay stuff...this might be the gayest part of all.

Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus.  You think of glittery gowns and long flowing hair. Is this a satire piece?
 
2014-02-01 04:04:29 PM  
Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?
 
2014-02-01 04:17:34 PM  
I thought this was one of the best Disney story lines so far. A very nontraditional ending and at least one strong female character whose value isn't based on being some dude's love interest.
 
2014-02-01 04:18:16 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?


That's one if those questions that I never thought I would ever see asked, but here we are.
 
2014-02-01 04:21:23 PM  
Erm, what about the part where the other princess spends a good chunk of the movie fawning over the first thing she sees with a dick?

I caught the bit with Oaken's "husband" when I saw the movie though. That was good.
 
2014-02-01 04:27:56 PM  
i595.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-01 04:28:12 PM  
So..it's called "Frozen" because she is an ice queen?
 
2014-02-01 04:44:06 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?


Via Infinito: I thought this was one of the best Disney story lines so far. A very nontraditional ending and at least one strong female character whose value isn't based on being some dude's love interest.


Both of these. How they get the whole "Act of true love" deal was the best part of the movie.
 
2014-02-01 04:44:24 PM  

syrynxx: When she finally lets it go and embraces her true self, she gets a fabulous new glittery gown to match her new attitude, lets her hair flow free, and sparkles for all to see. Oh, and then she builds herself a palace that resembles She-Ra's Crystal Castle from the '80s cartoon series. In a movie filled with gay stuff...this might be the gayest part of all.

Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus.  You think of glittery gowns and long flowing hair. Is this a satire piece?


When I think of lesbians, I generally think of them wearing nothing. And looking like Olivia Wilde and Emma Watson and Sofia Vergara and Halle Berry. And actually bisexual instead of lesbian. And then after I'm done thinking of lesbians I just cry about how lonely and pathetic I am while putting another sock in the laundry hamper.
 
2014-02-01 05:12:50 PM  
Or maybe she's bi? Who the fark cares? It was a good movie with a good message for little girls. Can't anyone enjoy a move anymore without analyzing the shiat out of it?
 
2014-02-01 05:14:37 PM  
Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.
 
2014-02-01 05:22:45 PM  
You calling Bambi a whore, subby?

Because Bambi was a whore.
 
2014-02-01 05:23:22 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?


Your mom?

/obligatory
 
2014-02-01 05:27:17 PM  
There was a crotch shot of Jessica rabbit? How did I not know this

/only interesting bit in that blog whine, at least for me
 
2014-02-01 05:30:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?

Your mom?

/obligatory


I should have seen that one coming.
 
2014-02-01 05:45:37 PM  

DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.


Absolutely right. Rare area of movie review agreement with you.
 
2014-02-01 05:47:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.


I took my kids to see it twice. Good movie. Wish I hadn't downloaded the soundtrack onto their iPad, though.
 
2014-02-01 05:48:39 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: There was a crotch shot of Jessica rabbit? How did I not know this


Poor thing forgot to paint some panties on that day...

[NSFW image link]
 
2014-02-01 05:49:29 PM  
I thought she was just frigid?
 
2014-02-01 05:50:41 PM  
Considering Frozen was meant as a deconstruction of Disney Movie "princess" tropes (And oh boy, was it ever.), I think the writer needs to learn a little more about lesbians.
 
2014-02-01 05:58:50 PM  

Nabb1: DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.

I took my kids to see it twice. Good movie. Wish I hadn't downloaded the soundtrack onto their iPad, though.


Understood. I bought it from Amazon. Now I get... Mommy can we listen to FROZEN??? But at least I make them listen to the classical parts as well.

Let it go... let it go....
 
2014-02-01 06:07:09 PM  

bbfreak: Or maybe she's bi? Who the fark cares? It was a good movie with a good message for little girls. Can't anyone enjoy a move anymore without analyzing the shiat out of it?


Short answer: No.

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooo
 
2014-02-01 06:18:06 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: You calling Bambi a whore, subby?

Because Bambi was a whore.


Being named "Bambi" almost guarantees a life of whoredom.

You've never seen a Nuclear physicist, or a brain surgeon named "Bambi" have you?

I rest my case.
 
2014-02-01 06:25:56 PM  

naughtyrev: Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?

That's one if those questions that I never thought I would ever see asked, but here we are.


ditto.
 
2014-02-01 06:26:56 PM  
files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2014-02-01 06:45:26 PM  
I'm sorta shocked this isn't from some site run by God-bothering nitwits.
 
2014-02-01 06:48:38 PM  

fusillade762: I'm sorta shocked this isn't from some site run by God-bothering nitwits.


god bothering nitwits would be cheesed off about the gay couple moreso than the possibility of the snow queen being a lesbian.
 
2014-02-01 06:51:35 PM  

Man On A Mission: Peter von Nostrand: There was a crotch shot of Jessica rabbit? How did I not know this

Poor thing forgot to paint some panties on that day...

[NSFW image link]


I would have guessed she was a landing strip kind of gal. Other than being animated and fake, of course
 
2014-02-01 06:56:12 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Marcus Aurelius: You calling Bambi a whore, subby?

Because Bambi was a whore.

Being named "Bambi" almost guarantees a life of whoredom.

You've never seen a Nuclear physicist, or a brain surgeon named "Bambi" have you?

I rest my case.


absent father, dead mother, trying to survive in the world, calls his half-white/half-black buddy "flower"... yep...  poor guy's got "whore" written all over him... best disney princess ever!
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-01 07:35:15 PM  
So Dumbo is sexist against females because it had no princesses?
 
2014-02-01 07:35:22 PM  
I loved Frozen. Idina Menzel is amazing in it.
 
2014-02-01 07:42:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: You calling Bambi a whore, subby?

Because Bambi was a whore.


Bambi is a dude.

/Not that being a dude precludes him from being a whore, of course.
 
2014-02-01 07:44:23 PM  
If you were really going to spend the time to argue about Elsa's sexuality...because that is a thing we are doing, apparently...given that she expresses no interest in anyone, and can't touch people without presumably freezing them to death, wouldn't she be disney's first asexual princess?
 
2014-02-01 07:48:54 PM  
I can't really blame Ariel for fawning over the first dick she saw.
 
2014-02-01 07:55:02 PM  
Didn't people try to claim that Merida was a lesbian, too?
 
2014-02-01 07:58:14 PM  
Didn't this exact same shiat come up regarding Merida in Brave when that came out too?
 
2014-02-01 08:04:18 PM  

HalEmmerich: Didn't this exact same shiat come up regarding Merida in Brave when that came out too?


Yes.

OMG, women don't know their place as damsels in distress/don't need a man to save the day. She MUST BE A LESBIAN!
 
2014-02-01 08:09:28 PM  
I had a three way with both Elsa both Merida...so I am getting a kick....
 
2014-02-01 08:12:31 PM  
For what it's worth, Elsa's situation seems pretty much to be a metaphor for depression (or some other handicap, but depression seems to me to be the most analogous). Has nothing to do with sexuality.
 
2014-02-01 08:17:57 PM  
So we biatch about Disney and Pixar being male-centric and pigeon-holing females into archetypes.

They get the message that there's an audience for non-standard female roles and heros, they make them, and they get shiat on.

This is why we can't have nice things, people.
 
2014-02-01 08:26:42 PM  

Summoner101: So we biatch about Disney and Pixar being male-centric and pigeon-holing females into archetypes.

They get the message that there's an audience for non-standard female roles and heros, they make them, and they get shiat on.

This is why we can't have nice things, people.


Remember.  The real world bears very little resemblance to the world described by bloggers and Gawker-run websites.
 
2014-02-01 08:28:26 PM  

bbfreak: HalEmmerich: Didn't this exact same shiat come up regarding Merida in Brave when that came out too?

Yes.

OMG, women don't know their place as damsels in distress/don't need a man to save the day. She MUST BE A LESBIAN!


The saddest thing is that, compared to most of the intellectual sewer that is 'gender studies', this article is logical and well-thought. A gold medal at the Special Olympics, as it were.
 
2014-02-01 08:29:19 PM  
I'm a football loving, gun shooting, trim hammering male.  I took my daughter to see this movie when it came out because, well, that's what my princess wanted.  After "Let it go" I was clapping like a 10 year old girl and by the end I was full on jazz hands.

/yes, I LOVE this movie
//"The cold never bothered me anyway..."
///I still like football, guns, and trim daggummit!
 
2014-02-01 08:29:20 PM  
Were those actually images from the finished film? Because that was some horrid character design.
 
2014-02-01 08:36:21 PM  
Really liked the film. It's "gay" in exactly the same way Spider-Man or X-Men are: as a metaphor for having to hide part of yourself or risk persecution.

/possibly the best "prince" they've done, too
 
2014-02-01 08:38:26 PM  

Strolpol: /possibly the best "prince" they've done, too


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-01 08:39:33 PM  

bbfreak: OMG, women don't know their place as damsels in distress/don't need a man to save the day. She MUST BE A LESBIAN!


You expected something better from a site calling itself 'Topless Robot'?
 
2014-02-01 08:43:29 PM  

silo123j: Nabb1: DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.

I took my kids to see it twice. Good movie. Wish I hadn't downloaded the soundtrack onto their iPad, though.

Understood. I bought it from Amazon. Now I get... Mommy can we listen to FROZEN??? But at least I make them listen to the classical parts as well.

Let it go... let it go....


Daughter played it about 20 times today, and has done so for about the past 3 weeks.
 
2014-02-01 08:45:25 PM  
To be fair, most of those points, bar two of the siller undergrad essay over-reach ones, are clearly right on the money. It's like the modern X-Men films are intentional gay allegories.... just like half of Hollywood from the 40s-70s were racial allegories.
 
2014-02-01 08:46:09 PM  

DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Elsa's situation seems pretty much to be a metaphor for depression (or some other handicap, but depression seems to me to be the most analogous). Has nothing to do with sexuality.


That's exactly the identification I took away from it.

/but also gay.
//conundrum.
///will purchase the Blu-ray.
 
2014-02-01 08:47:08 PM  

Dalrint: If you were really going to spend the time to argue about Elsa's sexuality...because that is a thing we are doing, apparently...given that she expresses no interest in anyone, and can't touch people without presumably freezing them to death, wouldn't she be disney's first asexual princess?


See I took it as a completely different metaphor, about a girl who is forced to repress her feminine power by her parents, until she can't repress it any more and awakens sexually with a vengeance when she first masturbates, letting her hair down and dressing sexier. Unfortunately, she takes it a little too far and her sister gets heartbroken because of her actions, but in the end the two reconcile after Anna's boyfriend turns out to be a jerk and Elsa learns to better control her sexual power instead of letting it get out of control.
 
2014-02-01 08:53:30 PM  

Strolpol: Really liked the film. It's "gay" in exactly the same way Spider-Man or X-Men are: as a metaphor for having to hide part of yourself or risk persecution.

/possibly the best "prince" they've done, too


but Spider-Man does dance around in a gay, gay way.
factsvillage.com
 
2014-02-01 08:58:13 PM  
One of the main problems with Disney characters -- male and female -- is that they have giant heads and eyes.

Obviously all of them are autistic.
 
2014-02-01 09:00:16 PM  
yafh.com
 
2014-02-01 09:01:18 PM  
Only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman. Just found him to annoying.
 
2014-02-01 09:03:10 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?


Depends.  They show Disney movies in the Dominican Republic?
 
2014-02-01 09:03:34 PM  

texdent: Only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman. Just found him to annoying.


Olaf was one of the best sidekicks in a long time!

/Innnn Suummmmmerrrrr!
//I'm gonna tell him
///Don't you dare!
 
2014-02-01 09:04:16 PM  

texdent: Only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman. Just found him to annoying.




Not a fan of warm hugs?
 
2014-02-01 09:06:09 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: One of the main problems with Disney characters -- male and female -- is that they have giant heads and eyes.



Once you reason all the women's eyes are twice as wide as their wrists, and all the men's eyes are half the size of their wrists, it's difficult to concentrate on anything else.

www.hdwallpapers.in

imperfecthoughts.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-01 09:06:09 PM  

maelstrom0370: texdent: Only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman. Just found him to annoying.

Olaf was one of the best sidekicks in a long time!

/Innnn Suummmmmerrrrr!
//I'm gonna tell him
///Don't you dare!


Yeah, that song just took me out of the movie.
 
2014-02-01 09:07:23 PM  

texdent: Only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman. Just found him to annoying.



I think it was mainly his design.... it was radically out of place with the general art style.
 
2014-02-01 09:09:11 PM  
FTA:

Krustofsky: I took my kids to see it twice. Good movie. Wish I hadn't downloaded the soundtrack onto their iPad, though.

Understood. I bought it from Amazon. Now I get... Mommy can we listen to FROZEN??? But at least I make them listen to the classical parts as well.

Let it go... let it go....

Daughter played it about 20 times today, and has done so for about the past 3 weeks.

FTA: "Let it Go," is pretty much the gay kid's coming out anthem for a generation. Seriously, expect a whole gaggle of musical theater kids to belt this number out in audition after audition and show choir presentation after show choir presentation...for like, the next 30 years. So really, start getting used to this one.


My 12 and 6 yo daughters both have the soundtrack and it got to one point recently where different tracks were playing at the same time in three different rooms - headphones became mandatory PDQ.  Now the 6 yo's ballet class is using it for their recital.   So it's not just gay kids (not sure if my kids are gay at this point, NTTAWWT), but the girls are going to be hanging their hats on this one for a while, too.
 
2014-02-01 09:11:18 PM  
Like someone said previously, I was thinking more of mental illness, but it really could work as a metaphor for any kind of misunderstood/little-known condition. I did like that it's clear that Elsa's parents love her -- they're not horrible abusive parents or anything -- but they have no idea how to contend with her condition, and in trying to help her conceal they just end up making it worse. A story that happens quite often in real life. But yeah, "she's not married at age 18 or 21 or whatever coming-of-age in that world is means she's a lesbian" is kind of a stretch. Also, Merida didn't end up with any guy in view either -- weren't there a couple of articles speculating that she was a lesbian as well? I'm not sure that "Unattached Female = Gay" is quite the sort of progress that we need.
 
2014-02-01 09:13:05 PM  
Saw Frozen back in December with my nieces.

I found Elsa surprisingly hot for an animated character.
 
2014-02-01 09:15:45 PM  
I'm not sure how the mentally-ill metaphor would work: if you embrace your depression and let it remake your life, it's totally awesome? Isn't mental illness generally, you know, a thing people want to combat and overcome, not surrender to and realise they shouldn't have been concerned in the first place?
 
2014-02-01 09:16:02 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-01 09:17:08 PM  

DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.


And I thought I was the only one.
 
2014-02-01 09:21:38 PM  

bbfreak: Or maybe she's bi? Who the fark cares? It was a good movie with a good message for little girls. Can't anyone enjoy a move anymore without analyzing the shiat out of it?


I analyzed Tangled so much, I had enough shiat to make a Congress.

/No you shouldn't.
//I freaking love that movie, though.
 
2014-02-01 09:25:20 PM  

cmunic8r99: DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.

And I thought I was the only one.


This that and these.
 
2014-02-01 09:26:30 PM  
I just saw this for the first time today. Amazing show, and I loved the message that girls don't need a man to save them.

Will be buying this on Blu-ray when it becomes available. Will share this movie with my daughter when she's old enough to enjoy and appreciate it.

I'm not so sure about everything advanced in TFA, but dude doesn't lie when he says it's the best Disney movie since the Lion King (Pixar being a separate entity).
 
2014-02-01 09:28:19 PM  
"Let It Go" is not a gay anthem. It's a poor man's "Defying Gravity."
 
2014-02-01 09:31:17 PM  
It didn't help that the same singer sang both song.
 
2014-02-01 09:31:25 PM  

gnosis301: "Let It Go" is not a gay anthem. It's a poor man's "Defying Gravity."


So one's for rich gay men and one's for poor gay men?
 
2014-02-01 09:31:53 PM  

Ed Grubermann: [img.fark.net image 721x729]


Ewww. Dude, they're SISTERS.

/I guess that just makes it hotter for some.
//rule 34 sometimes just makes me wonder what the fark is wrong with people
 
2014-02-01 09:35:44 PM  
FFS, some people have to read ridiculous shiat into everything.

I've taken my daughter to see the movie 3 times.  She owns 4 different Elsa dolls and various toys.  She is having a "Frozen" themed birthday party next weekend, and she begs me to listen to the soundtrack over and over again.

And you know what?  I actually don't mind for once.  I thought that the movie was great and it's nice to see that Disney finally released a movie where it was something other than 'boy saves girl'.
 
2014-02-01 09:35:59 PM  

Jack_Knopf: I'm a football loving, gun shooting, trim hammering male.  I took my daughter to see this movie when it came out because, well, that's what my princess wanted.  After "Let it go" I was clapping like a 10 year old girl and by the end I was full on jazz hands.

/yes, I LOVE this movie
//"The cold never bothered me anyway..."
///I still like football, guns, and trim daggummit!


www.clublexus.com

/I keed I keed
//enjoyed the film and the songs too
 
2014-02-01 09:37:37 PM  
I'd imagine the life of the person who wrote that article is like this:

estilofemenino.com

"I see gay people."
 
2014-02-01 09:38:41 PM  

bborchar: FFS, some people have to read ridiculous shiat into everything.


I'm not sure shot-to-man's-family-clearly-shows-he-has-a-male-partner-and-kids is exactly "reading something into it", it's the actual text.
 
2014-02-01 09:39:45 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Marcus Aurelius: You calling Bambi a whore, subby?

Because Bambi was a whore.

Being named "Bambi" almost guarantees a life of whoredom.

You've never seen a Nuclear physicist, or a brain surgeon named "Bambi" have you?

I rest my case.


I've seen an entomologist named Bambi -- on X-Files, season 3 episode called "War of the Coprophages" (shiateaters) about robotic cockroaches from outer-space (maybe). Scully sure thought she was a whore.
 
2014-02-01 09:39:58 PM  
That article's attempt to make that movie gay is a bigger stretch than the author's anus. Not everything is a gay allegory, guys.
 
2014-02-01 09:50:28 PM  

Ed Grubermann: [img.fark.net image 721x729]


How long has frozen been out? This might be the slowest R34 release in the past 10 years' worth of Internet for me.
 
2014-02-01 09:50:28 PM  

Bungles: bborchar: FFS, some people have to read ridiculous shiat into everything.

I'm not sure shot-to-man's-family-clearly-shows-he-has-a-male-partner-and-kids is exactly "reading something into it", it's the actual text.


...I never said it didn't?  That was clearly shown and isn't 'reading anything into anything'.

It's the rest of the crap that the author is clearly reaching on that bothers me.
 
2014-02-01 09:51:37 PM  

darkjezter: Saw Frozen back in December with my nieces.

I found Elsa surprisingly hot for an animated character.


Both have nice racks
 
2014-02-01 09:52:29 PM  

vicioushobbit: I analyzed Tangled so much, I had enough shiat to make a Congress.


I couldn't finish Tangled. But, I hate musicals.
 
2014-02-01 09:54:09 PM  
I work with a guy who says there's a gay agenda book out there and if you pay attention things are happening that fall in line with the book. I can't wait to ask him about how the movie works into the big gay rights scheme
 
2014-02-01 09:55:00 PM  
Another straight guy here who loves Frozen.

This article is dumb for all the reasons people say.  The reason writers see "ZOMG subtext" in every single movie is just because there's a natural overlap between the emotional struggles of gay people and the emotional struggles of "the outsider" that are emedded in our ways of storytelling.  If Star Wars came out today, they'd be writing about how Luke is in the closet and "becoming a Jedi" is code for coming out, instead of, say, code for leaving your small-town family and becoming a Buddhist hippie who didn't like the war in Vietnam.

How would you craft a heroic narrative that was so totally straight that no writer in blogdom could ever see gay subtext?  Make it about a manly guy who fights off a bunch of invaders and marries the hot chick and builds a cabin and starts making babies?  That would be really boring.
 
2014-02-01 10:05:46 PM  

vicioushobbit: bbfreak: Or maybe she's bi? Who the fark cares? It was a good movie with a good message for little girls. Can't anyone enjoy a move anymore without analyzing the shiat out of it?

I analyzed Tangled so much, I had enough shiat to make a Congress.

/No you shouldn't.
//I freaking love that movie, though.


tangled was fantastic as well. Just total fun, it was in my top 5 of 2011 I think.
 
2014-02-01 10:06:36 PM  
I've never seen a Disney animated movie, Pixar or otherwise, ever (I've been told I saw Pinocchio and the Fox and the Hound but I don't remember). I grew up on Jaws, Star Wars, Alien, Raiders, etc. However, I get the gist of them and for all the feminist whining about the princess needing the prince, isn't the prince equally enslaved with pussy? I mean he has to jump through hoops and slay the dragon or whatever just for a piece of ass without really knowing if they are compatible as a couple.

The seven dwarves helped out Snow White. Would it have killed her to let them run a train on her just once? No, because they didn't meet the standard of the handsome prince.  As usual, the woman truly holds the power.
 
2014-02-01 10:07:20 PM  

Ed Grubermann: [img.fark.net image 721x729]


there Is a ton of Frozen rule 34, if you're into that sort of thing.

/my friend told me
 
2014-02-01 10:07:25 PM  
Ok, I didn't read the article OR the thread, but she DID fawn all over the first thing she sees with a dick !!

In fact, she fawned over the first TWO!

In fact she was trying to get to the guy in the end.  It just so happened she was wrong!
 
2014-02-01 10:10:03 PM  

Ed Grubermann: vicioushobbit: I analyzed Tangled so much, I had enough shiat to make a Congress.

I couldn't finish Tangled. But, I hate musicals.


I agree; every time they start to get interesting some jerk starts singing
 
2014-02-01 10:10:35 PM  

buntz: Ok, I didn't read the article OR the thread, but she DID fawn all over the first thing she sees with a dick !!

In fact, she fawned over the first TWO!

In fact she was trying to get to the guy in the end.  It just so happened she was wrong!




Two different "she's".
 
2014-02-01 10:13:46 PM  

DamnYankees: Two different "she's".


Yeah, I just went back and read the article...and the thread.  That'll learn me.

Having said that the only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman.  It was like some stupid old, producer watched the rough draft and said "yeeeeeah, ....... it's.....oooooo....kkk,. I guess.  But could we, I don't know, add a talking snowman or something??"

Totally shoehorned in yet advertised to believe it was ALL about him and the reindeer/elk/whatever!
 
2014-02-01 10:15:12 PM  
Tarantino: You want subversion on a massive level. You know what one of the greatest farking scripts ever written in the history of Hollywood is? Top Gun.

Duane: Oh, come on.

Tarantino: Top Gun is farking great. What is Top Gun? You think it's a story about a bunch of fighter pilots.

Duane: It's about a bunch of guys waving their dicks around.

Tarantino: : It is a story about a man's struggle with his own homosexuality. It is! That is what Top Gun is about, man. You've got Maverick, all right? He's on the edge, man. He's right on the farking line, all right? And you've got Iceman, and all his crew. They're gay, they represent the gay man, all right? And they're saying, go, go the gay way, go the gay way. He could go both ways.

Duane: What about Kelly McGillis?

Tarantino: Kelly McGillis, she's heterosexuality. She's saying: no, no, no, no, no, no, go the normal way, play by the rules, go the normal way.  They're saying no, go the gay way, be the gay way, go for the gay way, all right? That is what's going on throughout that whole movie...

He goes to her house, all right? It looks like they're going to have sex, you know, they're just kind of sitting back, he's takin' a shower and everything. They don't have sex. He gets on the motorcycle, drives away. She's like, "What the fark, what the fark is going on here?"

 Next scene, next scene you see her, she's in the elevator, she is dressed like a guy. She's got the cap on, she's got the aviator glasses, she's wearing the same jacket that the Iceman wears. She is, okay, this is how I gotta get this guy, this guy's going towards the gay way, I gotta bring him back, I gotta bring him back from the gay way, so I'll do that through subterfuge, I'm gonna dress like a man. All right? That is how she approaches it.

 All right, but the REAL ending of the movie is when they fight the MIGs at the end, all right? Because he has passed over into the gay way. They are this gay fighting farking force, all right? And they're beating the Russians, the gays are beating the Russians. And it's over, and they farking land, and Iceman's been trying to get Maverick the entire time, and finally, he's got him, all right? And what is the last farking line that they have together? They're all hugging and kissing and happy with each other, and Ice comes up to Maverick, and he says, "Man, you can ride my tail, anytime!" And what does Maverick say? "You can ride mine!" Swordfight! Swordfight! farkin' A, man!



....actually he might have a point with that one
 
2014-02-01 10:17:22 PM  

buntz: DamnYankees: Two different "she's".

Yeah, I just went back and read the article...and the thread.  That'll learn me.

Having said that the only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman.  It was like some stupid old, producer watched the rough draft and said "yeeeeeah, ....... it's.....oooooo....kkk,. I guess.  But could we, I don't know, add a talking snowman or something??"

Totally shoehorned in yet advertised to believe it was ALL about him and the reindeer/elk/whatever!


I agree that seems like the most likely behind-the-scenes explanation, but I thought it was genuinely funny.

Also, the arrested development references were great and gave me trust in the comedy instincts of the writers.
 
2014-02-01 10:22:23 PM  
Lilo and stitch didn't have a prince.
 
2014-02-01 10:24:05 PM  
Whatever, Frozen was pretty entertaining. More so than I thought it would be.

Olaf and Sven were my favorite characters.

I'll say that I like the direction that Disney's movies has been taking lately with strong female characters starting with Princess and the Frog.

/has two girls, 7 & 3
 
2014-02-01 10:30:40 PM  

orezona: I'll say that I like the direction that Disney's movies has been taking lately with strong female characters starting with Princess and the Frog.


If you'd been to a Disney theme park recently and seen the number of kids in what are presumably quite pricey princess costumes, you'd recognize the shrewd business model.

/now that they own Star Wars if I see kids in slave Leia outfits, I'm out
 
2014-02-01 10:30:46 PM  
Having just watched the movie, the only thing keeping it from the top pantheon of classic Disney is the songs. They blew their song load really early with Do you Want to Build a Snowman, For the First Time in Forever, and Let it Go. The later songs are crap since they used up all their showstoppers in the first third of the movie. Really, we're going to stop singing with Fixer Upper? Throw Idina Menzel back in there to channel Elphaba some more.

Other than that, it's the best Disney movie in a long while.
 
2014-02-01 10:33:08 PM  
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2014-02-01 10:33:14 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Having just watched the movie, the only thing keeping it from the top pantheon of classic Disney is the songs. They blew their song load really early with Do you Want to Build a Snowman, For the First Time in Forever, and Let it Go. The later songs are crap since they used up all their showstoppers in the first third of the movie. Really, we're going to stop singing with Fixer Upper? Throw Idina Menzel back in there to channel Elphaba some more.

Other than that, it's the best Disney movie in a long while.




This is true. The troll song was kind of terrible and just totally wrong, as was the snowman song. Menzels last song is Let It Go; that's not even halfway through the film! Misstep there.
 
2014-02-01 10:41:22 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?


Far-right Republicans?
 
2014-02-01 10:44:54 PM  
Wait, one of the reasons that the author thinks that the movie is gay is because the prince is voiced by a gay actor? That's why gay actors don't get cast in straight roles, and it's why actors stay in the closet.
 
2014-02-01 10:45:58 PM  

DamnYankees: This is true. The troll song was kind of terrible and just totally wrong, as was the snowman song. Menzels last song is Let It Go; that's not even halfway through the film! Misstep there.


I did laugh when Demi Lovato came on at the end to sing Let It Go, but people probably felt the same way about Peabo Bryson back in the day.
 
2014-02-01 11:00:11 PM  
I'm not sure I'd ever heard of the movie until reading this "article" but I'm wondering how long it will be until the Culture Crusaders will pick up the torch and start yelling about this...I was a bit surprised that there wasn't an alert on One Million Moms.  I figure it will take a couple of days.
 
2014-02-01 11:08:56 PM  
I guess "One Million Moms" is getting after Disney about something else right now.
 
2014-02-01 11:14:07 PM  

DamnYankees: This is true. The troll song was kind of terrible and just totally wrong, as was the snowman song. Menzels last song is Let It Go; that's not even halfway through the film! Misstep there.


The roll song pulled me out of it far more than Olaf's one.   Both would've been better, I think, if they were half the length.   The troll song especially felt like incredible filler.
 
2014-02-01 11:16:00 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?

Far-right Republicans?


It's been said before, for the anti-gay party, they sure do think about a whole mess of cocks all the time.
 
2014-02-01 11:16:12 PM  

Brainsick: Ed Grubermann: vicioushobbit: I analyzed Tangled so much, I had enough shiat to make a Congress.

I couldn't finish Tangled. But, I hate musicals.

I agree; every time they start to get interesting some jerk starts singing


There are two ways to do songs in musicals: the Easy Way, and the Good Way.

• Easy Way: Plot comes to a screeching halt for the duration of the song. You could remove the songs and their visuals, and the story would remain intact.

• Good Way: Song actually advances the plot. Take the song out and the visuals that went with it, and the story now has a hole in it.

Disney movies used to use the Easy Way almost entirely. The first animated movie I ever saw to expertly use the Good Way wasn't Disney. It was The Prince of Egypt (think the song that Miriam sang while she put baby Moses into the bulrushes and watched him be rescued, and later when Pharaoh's two magicians prepare to duplicate Moses's staff2snake miracle).

The Princess and the Frog is the first Disney movie I've seen that does the Good Way and does it well. Frozen does as well, even better.
 
2014-02-01 11:28:00 PM  
People who try to sexualize movies/TV shows made for the children demographic need to stay away from the internet.
 
2014-02-01 11:36:57 PM  

COMALite J: The Princess and the Frog is the first Disney movie I've seen that does the Good Way and does it well. Frozen does as well, even better.


Have you not seen Beauty and the Beast? A song can do more than move the plot forward. It can define the motivations, histories, and desires of entire groups of characters, and ground a moment emotionally - in addition to moving the plot forward. Every song in Beauty and the Beast does this, and every song is memorable and great.

Beauty and the Beast pretty much defines the perfect animated musical.
 
2014-02-01 11:39:01 PM  

Bungles: HotIgneous Intruder: One of the main problems with Disney characters -- male and female -- is that they have giant heads and eyes.


Once you reason all the women's eyes are twice as wide as their wrists, and all the men's eyes are half the size of their wrists, it's difficult to concentrate on anything else.

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Actually, for a CGI animated movie, you have to make the human characters cartoonish and out of normal proportions, otherwise you wind up taking the Polar Express straight to Uncanny Valley nightmare fuel. The character design is very purposeful in a way Rob Liefeld's is not.
 
2014-02-01 11:41:25 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: COMALite J: The Princess and the Frog is the first Disney movie I've seen that does the Good Way and does it well. Frozen does as well, even better.

Have you not seen Beauty and the Beast? A song can do more than move the plot forward. It can define the motivations, histories, and desires of entire groups of characters, and ground a moment emotionally - in addition to moving the plot forward. Every song in Beauty and the Beast does this, and every song is memorable and great.

Beauty and the Beast pretty much defines the perfect animated musical.


The Lion King is also does this really well, which is one reason why it worked perfectly on Broadway.
 
2014-02-01 11:42:48 PM  
While I watched the movie, I found myself thinking "this is way too many musical numbers."

After I saw the movie, I found myself singing the musical numbers.
 
2014-02-01 11:43:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: Considering Frozen was meant as a deconstruction of Disney Movie "princess" tropes (And oh boy, was it ever.), I think the writer needs to learn a little more about lesbians.


No no.

If a woman has no interest in men, it's ONLY because she is interested in women. Because women can ONLY be interested in sex; females have zero interest in anything else. Any movie where the female lead is not interested in men means that she is, ipso facto, interested in women; otherwise she might--GASP!--be uninterested in sex at all, and we all know that that's completely impossible.
 
2014-02-01 11:43:54 PM  
Up until Princess & the Frog, Disney princesses were sequestered until coming of age and subject to arranged marriages or passively pursuing their love only to have a strong female antagonist run interference.  During the 2nd renaissance of Disney, the antagonistic elements changed but the over all plot was the same. (Yes, this is overly simplified.)


With Princess & the Frog, she is already of age, working in the modern era, chosen by a prince, put into dire straits, and actively strives to right the wrong against her rather than waiting for some man to do it.  Gender roles were switched.

Going by this description of Frozen, the allegory could be a combination of homosexuality, masturbation, asexuality, or just growing up.  I don't know because I haven't seen it.  Yet, given the leaps and bounds the company has come with animation, it's only 2 films (not counting Pixar films) removed from pure patriarchy to feminism to possibly acknowledging homosexuality.  This is actual progress.

Marcus Aurelius: Because Bambi was a whore.



Totally farkied you for this line.
 
2014-02-01 11:43:58 PM  

COMALite J: The Princess and the Frog is the first Disney movie I've seen that does the Good Way and does it well. Frozen does as well, even better.


Don't care. I hate musicals. The moment the characters start singing I'm done. The only musical I liked was South Park, because it made me laugh. (I don't mind incidental singing, like someone singing along with a radio, or bands performing, etc... but musicals can eat bags of dicks.)
 
2014-02-01 11:44:45 PM  

rynthetyn: Wait, one of the reasons that the author thinks that the movie is gay is because the prince is voiced by a gay actor? That's why gay actors don't get cast in straight roles, and it's why actors stay in the closet.


While I don't doubt that can be true, sometimes they just aren't believable playing it straight, so it is a poor casting choice.

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//silly for it to be an issue in an animated feature, for sure.
 
2014-02-01 11:50:04 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Have you not seen Beauty and the Beast? A song can do more than move the plot forward. It can define the motivations, histories, and desires of entire groups of characters, and ground a moment emotionally - in addition to moving the plot forward. Every song in Beauty and the Beast does this, and every song is memorable and great.


Judge Frolo's soliloquy song 'Hell Fire' is the ultimate example of your point.  While Beauty & the Beast does it well, Hunchback just did it better with this song alone


Gyrfalcon:If a woman has no interest in men, it's ONLY because she is interested in women. Because women can ONLY be interested in sex; females have zero interest in anything else. Any movie where the female lead is not interested in men means that she is, ipso facto, interested in women; otherwise she might--GASP!--be uninterested in sex at all, and we all know that that's completely impossible.


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2014-02-01 11:51:36 PM  

harleyquinnical: Going by this description of Frozen, the allegory could be a combination of homosexuality, masturbation, asexuality, or just growing up. I don't know because I haven't seen it. Yet, given the leaps and bounds the company has come with animation, it's only 2 films (not counting Pixar films) removed from pure patriarchy to feminism to possibly acknowledging homosexuality. This is actual progress.


There are gay dudes with kids in Frozen. They hang out in a nude sauna.
 
2014-02-01 11:53:42 PM  

orangehat: I guess "One Million Moms" is getting after Disney about something else right now.


There was the lesbian couple on one of their sitcoms recently, and they're resting up for the Superb Owl.
 
2014-02-01 11:59:51 PM  

syrynxx: Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus


Yeah, that pretty much nails it.   Although hybrids and pickup trucks are pretty popular, too.
 
2014-02-02 12:02:32 AM  
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:There are gay dudes with kids in Frozen. They hang out in a nude sauna.

There we go, back to making it about men.  That's hardly the issue at hand here.  We're not talking about gay recognition.  We're on about feminist lesbian recognition.


/I saw this point made
//I didn't ignore it
/// Didn't think it was germane
 
2014-02-02 12:08:59 AM  

harleyquinnical: Judge Frolo's soliloquy song 'Hell Fire' is the ultimate example of your point. While Beauty & the Beast does it well, Hunchback just did it better with this song alone


That's an awesome song that hits all of the points. I was more taking issue with the guy saying that Princess and the Frog was the only Disney movie he's seen that does it right. Beauty and the Beast nailed it. Lion King and Aladdin are awesome. If somebody wants to throw out the entirety of The Little Mermaid because Les Poissons didn't really move the plot forward, then I don't really know what to say.

There are some objective classic Disney flicks where even if the songs don't move the plot forward in a way that someone would like, they're substantial enough to the story and good enough as songs that they enrich the entire movie.
 
2014-02-02 12:13:49 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: There are gay dudes with kids in Frozen. They hang out in a nude sauna.


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2014-02-02 12:22:46 AM  
I saw Frozen when it first came out. I thought it was a fantastic message with a fantastic message for young girls. Because of all the "analysis" I've read from clueless "social justice warriors", who are so useless and impotent that they'll use anything they can to promote their agenda, I've grown to despise the movie, and cringe when anyone brings it up.

\thanks for nothing, you pathetic losers
 
2014-02-02 12:24:13 AM  

silo123j: Nabb1: DamnYankees: Frozen was awesome. One of my top movies of 2013.

That is all.

I took my kids to see it twice. Good movie. Wish I hadn't downloaded the soundtrack onto their iPad, though.

Understood. I bought it from Amazon. Now I get... Mommy can we listen to FROZEN??? But at least I make them listen to the classical parts as well.

Let it go... let it go....


So much of THIS. I bought her the Elsa doll that glows and sings too, didn't realize it was motion activated.
/scared me twice when I was home alone
//daughter knows the whole soundtrack but I am half tempted to make 'let it go' disappear...
 
2014-02-02 12:33:16 AM  

syrynxx: When she finally lets it go and embraces her true self, she gets a fabulous new glittery gown to match her new attitude, lets her hair flow free, and sparkles for all to see. Oh, and then she builds herself a palace that resembles She-Ra's Crystal Castle from the '80s cartoon series. In a movie filled with gay stuff...this might be the gayest part of all.

Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus.  You think of glittery gowns and long flowing hair. Is this a satire piece?


You're obviously completely unfamiliar with lesbians.

WHO do you think those butch lesbians with the short haircuts and flannel are attracted to? Other butchies? Nope. Much of the time they're attracted to the lipstick lesbians. The more girly girls. The ones who dress like a princess.

Have you never even seen Ellen and Portia?

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2014-02-02 12:36:36 AM  
I'm now dumber for having read that.
 
2014-02-02 12:41:40 AM  

bbfreak: HalEmmerich: Didn't this exact same shiat come up regarding Merida in Brave when that came out too?

Yes.

OMG, women don't know their place as damsels in distress/don't need a man to save the day. She MUST BE A LESBIAN!

I love that the Weeners talks about Orion being a winter constellation and than going further into gods than goes completely out in left field.
 
2014-02-02 12:43:00 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Have you not seen Beauty and the Beast? A song can do more than move the plot forward. It can define the motivations, histories, and desires of entire groups of characters, and ground a moment emotionally - in addition to moving the plot forward. Every song in Beauty and the Beast does this, and every song is memorable and great.

Beauty and the Beast pretty much defines the perfect animated musical.


Oh good grief.  I saw it when it was released and I recently saw it again.  Like most Disney musicals of the era - it simply doesn't hold up.
 
2014-02-02 12:49:32 AM  

gingerjet: Oh good grief.  I saw it when it was released and I recently saw it again.  Like most Disney musicals of the era - it simply doesn't hold up.


Kind of like most Academy Award nominees for 'Best Picture'
 
2014-02-02 01:15:19 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: darkjezter: Saw Frozen back in December with my nieces.

I found Elsa surprisingly hot for an animated character.

Both have nice racks


so did Sven
 
2014-02-02 01:27:16 AM  

gingerjet: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Have you not seen Beauty and the Beast? A song can do more than move the plot forward. It can define the motivations, histories, and desires of entire groups of characters, and ground a moment emotionally - in addition to moving the plot forward. Every song in Beauty and the Beast does this, and every song is memorable and great.

Beauty and the Beast pretty much defines the perfect animated musical.

Oh good grief.  I saw it when it was released and I recently saw it again.  Like most Disney musicals of the era - it simply doesn't hold up.


What are some animated musicals that you think have held up?
 
2014-02-02 01:41:19 AM  
You know what is more annoying than idiot Christian zealots reading non-existent gay overtones into EVERYTHING? When idiot gays do it. Project much? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
2014-02-02 02:10:33 AM  
As I was watching the movie, I thought Kristoff, the guy who loved ice, was going to fall for the Ice Queen and vice versa; both he and Elsa would have to eat their words about falling for someone you have only known for a day, and the sisters would be married to their men in an overblown double wedding. I was very happily surprised by the ending.

Really, the only bits I could have done without were the trolls. They felt kind of tacked on, despite the plot purpose of providing magical advise.
 
2014-02-02 02:23:41 AM  

redheededstepchild: Lilo and stitch didn't have a prince.


Lilo wasn't a princess, but good point.

It also featured characters who had body shapes instead of being bone thin.
 
2014-02-02 02:33:06 AM  
Disney's sex messages have been there the whole time man...

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2014-02-02 02:33:22 AM  

ZeroCorpse: syrynxx: When she finally lets it go and embraces her true self, she gets a fabulous new glittery gown to match her new attitude, lets her hair flow free, and sparkles for all to see. Oh, and then she builds herself a palace that resembles She-Ra's Crystal Castle from the '80s cartoon series. In a movie filled with gay stuff...this might be the gayest part of all.

Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus.  You think of glittery gowns and long flowing hair. Is this a satire piece?

You're obviously completely unfamiliar with lesbians.

WHO do you think those butch lesbians with the short haircuts and flannel are attracted to? Other butchies? Nope. Much of the time they're attracted to the lipstick lesbians. The more girly girls. The ones who dress like a princess.

Have you never even seen Ellen and Portia?

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Ellen's kind of pretty.
 
2014-02-02 02:35:11 AM  

BullBearMS: Disney's sex messages have been there the whole time man...

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You win. Thanks,
 
2014-02-02 02:51:42 AM  

optional: ZeroCorpse: syrynxx: When she finally lets it go and embraces her true self, she gets a fabulous new glittery gown to match her new attitude, lets her hair flow free, and sparkles for all to see. Oh, and then she builds herself a palace that resembles She-Ra's Crystal Castle from the '80s cartoon series. In a movie filled with gay stuff...this might be the gayest part of all.

Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus.  You think of glittery gowns and long flowing hair. Is this a satire piece?

You're obviously completely unfamiliar with lesbians.

WHO do you think those butch lesbians with the short haircuts and flannel are attracted to? Other butchies? Nope. Much of the time they're attracted to the lipstick lesbians. The more girly girls. The ones who dress like a princess.

Have you never even seen Ellen and Portia?

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Ellen's kind of pretty.


She could make me gay.
 
2014-02-02 03:01:36 AM  
No. Frozen was just a bad to mediocre movie.
 
2014-02-02 03:16:36 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: No. Frozen was just a bad to mediocre movie.


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2014-02-02 04:33:06 AM  

texdent: Only thing I didn't like about Frozen was the snowman. Just found him to annoying.


You shut your whore mouth

/glad the daughter wanted to see it
//Olaf!
 
2014-02-02 04:33:36 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: rynthetyn: Wait, one of the reasons that the author thinks that the movie is gay is because the prince is voiced by a gay actor? That's why gay actors don't get cast in straight roles, and it's why actors stay in the closet.

While I don't doubt that can be true, sometimes they just aren't believable playing it straight, so it is a poor casting choice.

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//silly for it to be an issue in an animated feature, for sure.


The fact that you had to dig up Ellen's romcom that nobody saw because it was generally terrible kind of proves my point. If it was such a huge problem for gay actors to play believably straight roles, you would have been able to find more and better examples than a sitcom star's one attempt at crossing over into movies, particularly considering that sitcom actors often make horrible movies anyway (see, Jennifer Aniston's entire film career).
 
2014-02-02 08:03:13 AM  

DamnYankees: Ed Grubermann: [img.fark.net image 721x729]

there Is a ton of Frozen rule 34, if you're into that sort of thing.

/my friend told me


Well, there's tonight's internet browsing topic all sorted out, then.
 
2014-02-02 08:17:06 AM  
I actually had this thought walking out of the theater.  "Let it Go" could clearly be construed as a coming out anthem... except it's about a person WITH FRICKING ICE POWERS THAT ALMOST KILLED HER SISTER AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE SHE STARTED AN ETERNAL WINTER.  All on accident.  It's the same reason the X-Men= gay analogy falls down.  Super powers are a bad analogy for being gay because misused gayness can't accidentally kill anybody.

"Let it GO" was also the most beautiful part of the film; she let's go of all her own rules that have been holding her back(what her parents taught plus what she added)  and immediately creates something beautiful.

As for whether Elsa is or not hetero, I think the movie gives us ample evidence to to conclude that she's clearly too worried about not killing anybody to actually notice anyone else in any way.  She'll figure it out now that she has figured out how to control her powers.
 
2014-02-02 08:19:37 AM  

hardinparamedic: Considering Frozen was meant as a deconstruction of Disney Movie "princess" tropes (And oh boy, was it ever.), I think the writer needs to learn a little more about lesbians.


Haven't seen the movie.  Does Frozen break with the trope that Disney princesses must be thin, slim and trim, with long slender necks and a tiny waist, a perky nose, high cheeks and a gently rounded chin?  Or would giving up that template be too much?
 
2014-02-02 08:39:39 AM  

fozziewazzi: hardinparamedic: Considering Frozen was meant as a deconstruction of Disney Movie "princess" tropes (And oh boy, was it ever.), I think the writer needs to learn a little more about lesbians.

Haven't seen the movie.  Does Frozen break with the trope that Disney princesses must be thin, slim and trim, with long slender necks and a tiny waist, a perky nose, high cheeks and a gently rounded chin?  Or would giving up that template be too much?


You're talking about American animation in general when it comes to women protagonists.

It directly deconstructs the Disney idea of love that most Disney movies with a princess or female protagonist push on the audience and young girls, and does so in a particularly brutal fashion - even going so far as to show outright physical abuse at the hands of the protagonist's "True love at first sight"
 
2014-02-02 10:11:33 AM  

Gyrfalcon: If a woman has no interest in men, it's ONLY because she is interested in women. Because women can ONLY be interested in sex; females have zero interest in anything else. Any movie where the female lead is not interested in men means that she is, ipso facto, interested in women; otherwise she might--GASP!--be uninterested in sex at all, and we all know that that's completely impossible.


No one has any problem with this being true about men, however.

(So who did Dorothy want to bump uglies with?  I'm thinking the Tin Man.  And we all know why Alice was chasing the White Rabbit)
 
2014-02-02 10:12:35 AM  

bbfreak: HalEmmerich: Didn't this exact same shiat come up regarding Merida in Brave when that came out too?

Yes.

OMG, women don't know their place as damsels in distress/don't need a man to save the day. She MUST BE A LESBIAN!


It's the 1970s all over again.
 
2014-02-02 10:40:18 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Who the fark goes to a Disney movie and leaves disappointed because of the lack of cock?


His name is Tyler Durden
 
2014-02-02 10:46:36 AM  

DamnYankees: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Having just watched the movie, the only thing keeping it from the top pantheon of classic Disney is the songs. They blew their song load really early with Do you Want to Build a Snowman, For the First Time in Forever, and Let it Go. The later songs are crap since they used up all their showstoppers in the first third of the movie. Really, we're going to stop singing with Fixer Upper? Throw Idina Menzel back in there to channel Elphaba some more.

Other than that, it's the best Disney movie in a long while.

This is true. The troll song was kind of terrible and just totally wrong, as was the snowman song. Menzels last song is Let It Go; that's not even halfway through the film! Misstep there.


No, she sings the duet with Anna later on (the reprise of "For the First Time in Forever").
 
2014-02-02 11:01:31 AM  
This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.
 
2014-02-02 11:14:43 AM  

bborchar: DamnYankees: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Having just watched the movie, the only thing keeping it from the top pantheon of classic Disney is the songs. They blew their song load really early with Do you Want to Build a Snowman, For the First Time in Forever, and Let it Go. The later songs are crap since they used up all their showstoppers in the first third of the movie. Really, we're going to stop singing with Fixer Upper? Throw Idina Menzel back in there to channel Elphaba some more.

Other than that, it's the best Disney movie in a long while.

This is true. The troll song was kind of terrible and just totally wrong, as was the snowman song. Menzels last song is Let It Go; that's not even halfway through the film! Misstep there.

No, she sings the duet with Anna later on (the reprise of "For the First Time in Forever").


Yes and it's great, but it's a reprise so I don't give it full credit.
 
2014-02-02 11:37:02 AM  

DamnYankees: bborchar: DamnYankees: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Having just watched the movie, the only thing keeping it from the top pantheon of classic Disney is the songs. They blew their song load really early with Do you Want to Build a Snowman, For the First Time in Forever, and Let it Go. The later songs are crap since they used up all their showstoppers in the first third of the movie. Really, we're going to stop singing with Fixer Upper? Throw Idina Menzel back in there to channel Elphaba some more.

Other than that, it's the best Disney movie in a long while.

This is true. The troll song was kind of terrible and just totally wrong, as was the snowman song. Menzels last song is Let It Go; that's not even halfway through the film! Misstep there.

No, she sings the duet with Anna later on (the reprise of "For the First Time in Forever").

Yes and it's great, but it's a reprise so I don't give it full credit.


So a song that Menzel actually sings 'doesn't count' because it's a continuation of a song she sang earlier?

...oooooookay.
 
2014-02-02 11:50:04 AM  

proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.


I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?
 
2014-02-02 12:49:19 PM  
I love this movie.

Awesome message for little girls, how "true love" doesn't have to be romantic love and don't rely on a dude who seems "nice".

Kris toff is adorable.
 
2014-02-02 01:15:36 PM  

quizzical: Really, the only bits I could have done without were the trolls. They felt kind of tacked on, despite the plot purpose of providing magical advise.


Actually, they're also, uh. Kind of responsible for the ENTIRE PROBLEM that the movie revolves around. If they had given clearer, less crappy advice (FEAR WILL BE YOUR ENEMY here's an image of scared townsfolk attacking your daughter!) then, you know, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

/seriously screw those guys.
 
2014-02-02 01:27:29 PM  

bbfreak: proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.

I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?


Maybe there wasn't enough cock.
 
2014-02-02 01:29:02 PM  

bborchar: So a song that Menzel actually sings 'doesn't count' because it's a continuation of a song she sang earlier?

...oooooookay.


You only get half credit for a reprise, since it's basically "Remember that song you liked earlier?"
 
2014-02-02 01:30:40 PM  

bbfreak: proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.

I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?


'll simply say that everything about this movie was perfectly summed up by the "comedy sidekicks".  They were so contrived as to be virtually identical in every bland regard except for their appearance (one was a snowman) and I shook my head the entire time waiting for them to have any more relevance than future Burger King toys.  Could you write two sentences describing their differences?  I can't.   I honestly believe people loved this movie because the marketing was so prolific but then again look; If you have kids and they loved it then who cares.  But as an adult who can still enjoy a Disney animated film, this movie played out like it was written and produced in two hours.  Which is good because the sequel should take less time then that to crank out.
 
2014-02-02 01:42:34 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: bborchar: So a song that Menzel actually sings 'doesn't count' because it's a continuation of a song she sang earlier?

...oooooookay.

You only get half credit for a reprise, since it's basically "Remember that song you liked earlier?"


Half credit or not, "Let it Go" still isn't the last song she sings in the movie.
 
2014-02-02 01:48:48 PM  

proteon: bbfreak: proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.

I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?

'll simply say that everything about this movie was perfectly summed up by the "comedy sidekicks".  They were so contrived as to be virtually identical in every bland regard except for their appearance (one was a snowman) and I shook my head the entire time waiting for them to have any more relevance than future Burger King toys.  Could you write two sentences describing their differences?  I can't.   I honestly believe people loved this movie because the marketing was so prolific but then again look; If you have kids and they loved it then who cares.  But as an adult who can still enjoy a Disney animated film, this movie played out like it was written and produced in two hours.  Which is good because the sequel should take less time then that to crank out.


The 'comic sidekick' is often the weak point in a movie, but Olaf actually broke convention by:

1. Not getting in the way
2. Having an origin that made perfect sense within the story
3. Helped save the protagonists

He had some funny bits, but they weren't ridiculously over-the-top and didn't get on my nerves.
 
2014-02-02 01:50:36 PM  

bborchar: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: bborchar: So a song that Menzel actually sings 'doesn't count' because it's a continuation of a song she sang earlier?

...oooooookay.

You only get half credit for a reprise, since it's basically "Remember that song you liked earlier?"

Half credit or not, "Let it Go" still isn't the last song she sings in the movie.


This is my Headcanon of the last song Elsa sings. It is *also* a Reprise. But I'll take it.

Link
 
2014-02-02 01:55:05 PM  

bborchar: proteon: bbfreak: proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.

I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?

'll simply say that everything about this movie was perfectly summed up by the "comedy sidekicks".  They were so contrived as to be virtually identical in every bland regard except for their appearance (one was a snowman) and I shook my head the entire time waiting for them to have any more relevance than future Burger King toys.  Could you write two sentences describing their differences?  I can't.   I honestly believe people loved this movie because the marketing was so prolific but then again look; If you have kids and they loved it then who cares.  But as an adult who can still enjoy a Disney animated film, this movie played out like it was written and produced in two hours.  Which is good because the sequel should take less time then that to crank out.

The 'comic sidekick' is often the weak point in a movie, but Olaf actually broke convention by:

1. Not getting in the way
2. Having an origin that made perfect sense within the story
3. Helped save the protagonists

He had some funny bits, but they weren't ridiculously over-the-top and didn't get on my nerves. It jarred.



What irritated me most was he was a completely different art style to everyone else.
 
2014-02-02 02:43:34 PM  

rynthetyn: Ow! That was my feelings!: rynthetyn: Wait, one of the reasons that the author thinks that the movie is gay is because the prince is voiced by a gay actor? That's why gay actors don't get cast in straight roles, and it's why actors stay in the closet.

While I don't doubt that can be true, sometimes they just aren't believable playing it straight, so it is a poor casting choice.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 296x455]
//silly for it to be an issue in an animated feature, for sure.

The fact that you had to dig up Ellen's romcom that nobody saw because it was generally terrible kind of proves my point. If it was such a huge problem for gay actors to play believably straight roles, you would have been able to find more and better examples than a sitcom star's one attempt at crossing over into movies, particularly considering that sitcom actors often make horrible movies anyway (see, Jennifer Aniston's entire film career).


Well, to be honest, I chickened out and changed the actor I decided to use as an example. This thread would 500 comments had I gone with my original choice. Not gonna go there now, have a Superb Owl party to go to, maybe another time. Enjoy your Sunday.

//very popular gay actor, playing a womanizer, yeah, you know who. I'm out.
 
2014-02-02 03:15:40 PM  

proteon: bbfreak: proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.

I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?

'll simply say that everything about this movie was perfectly summed up by the "comedy sidekicks".  They were so contrived as to be virtually identical in every bland regard except for their appearance (one was a snowman) and I shook my head the entire time waiting for them to have any more relevance than future Burger King toys.  Could you write two sentences describing their differences?  I can't.   I honestly believe people loved this movie because the marketing was so prolific but then again look; If you have kids and they loved it then who cares.  But as an adult who can still enjoy a Disney animated film, this movie played out like it was written and produced in two hours.  Which is good because the sequel should take less time then that to crank out.


Pretty much this.  Buy your kids the toys but then show them The Lion King or Aladdin on netflix.
 
2014-02-02 05:29:43 PM  

proteon: bbfreak: proteon: This movie was an absolute and utter turd.  I'm not convinced people actually watched it.

I'm just curious what you didn't like about it?

'll simply say that everything about this movie was perfectly summed up by the "comedy sidekicks".  They were so contrived as to be virtually identical in every bland regard except for their appearance (one was a snowman) and I shook my head the entire time waiting for them to have any more relevance than future Burger King toys.  Could you write two sentences describing their differences?  I can't.   I honestly believe people loved this movie because the marketing was so prolific but then again look; If you have kids and they loved it then who cares.  But as an adult who can still enjoy a Disney animated film, this movie played out like it was written and produced in two hours.  Which is good because the sequel should take less time then that to crank out.


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25.media.tumblr.com

/We're gonna need a bigger carrot
//Hoo Hoo!
 
2014-02-02 06:55:25 PM  

optional: ZeroCorpse: syrynxx: When she finally lets it go and embraces her true self, she gets a fabulous new glittery gown to match her new attitude, lets her hair flow free, and sparkles for all to see. Oh, and then she builds herself a palace that resembles She-Ra's Crystal Castle from the '80s cartoon series. In a movie filled with gay stuff...this might be the gayest part of all.

Yesss.... because when you think of lesbians, you don't think of short haircuts, flannel, comfortable shoes and Subarus.  You think of glittery gowns and long flowing hair. Is this a satire piece?

You're obviously completely unfamiliar with lesbians.

WHO do you think those butch lesbians with the short haircuts and flannel are attracted to? Other butchies? Nope. Much of the time they're attracted to the lipstick lesbians. The more girly girls. The ones who dress like a princess.

Have you never even seen Ellen and Portia?

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Ellen's kind of pretty.


I wouldn't object to watching them have sex.
 
2014-02-03 12:58:25 AM  

Close2TheEdge: Summoner101: So we biatch about Disney and Pixar being male-centric and pigeon-holing females into archetypes.

They get the message that there's an audience for non-standard female roles and heros, they make them, and they get shiat on.

This is why we can't have nice things, people.

Remember.  The real world bears very little resemblance to the world described by bloggers and Gawker-run websites.


In the blogging world there are a large number of white Americans claiming Frozen is racist because the Sami (the culture it's based on) are brown-skinned.

Over the protests of actual Sami who 1. not brown and 2. not offended

/White Americans need to stop being offended on other people's behalf
//The rest of the world isn't interested in indulging your guilt
 
2014-02-03 01:09:11 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: You calling Bambi a whore, subby?

Because Bambi was a whore.


www.007james.com

Yeah, maybe she was...
 
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