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(Wikipedia)   On this day in 1957 a wanker named Felix invented the Wankel engine   (en.wikipedia.org) divider line 62
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2014-02-01 11:18:51 AM  
www.wearysloth.com
 
2014-02-01 02:02:37 PM  
www.cartype.com
 
2014-02-01 02:14:23 PM  
I thought Barney Coopersmith invented the rotary engine
 
2014-02-01 02:56:03 PM  
RX-7:  The only car whose engine you can repair while literally stsnding in the engine bay.

And god bless the turbos.
 
2014-02-01 03:42:08 PM  
Shoe.
Megaphone.
Grunties.
 
2014-02-01 04:23:34 PM  
I have nothing germane to add.

/Just wanted to participate in what will clearly be an epic thread.
 
2014-02-01 04:23:34 PM  
Didn't know there was a Wankel Diesel.

i238.photobucket.com

/wankel diesel sounds like something that costs an extra 50 euros in a Berlin whorehouse.
 
2014-02-01 05:06:48 PM  
 
2014-02-01 05:21:38 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shoe.
Megaphone.
Grunties.


damn, thought for sure I was going to be the first to do that.
 
2014-02-01 05:21:50 PM  
No NSU RO 80 love?
 
2014-02-01 05:28:18 PM  
Isn't the wankel not used because durability proved to be pretty crap compared to standard box and V engines? I know what Top Gear has taught me about cars. So I know POWAH!! is usually the solution, and that's about it.
 
2014-02-01 05:35:36 PM  

jaytkay: Piston engine goes boing boing boing Mazda engine goes mmmmmm


OK, you are definitely older than me. Or a real fan of the Wankeling.
 
2014-02-01 05:36:58 PM  

kroonermanblack: Isn't the wankel not used because durability proved to be pretty crap compared to standard box and V engines? I know what Top Gear has taught me about cars. So I know POWAH!! is usually the solution, and that's about it.


I thought the main issue with the Wankel was the seal wear and the so-so fuel economy. The low engine weight makes them great for small aircraft, however.
 
2014-02-01 05:38:34 PM  
My main concern is with wankability.

Also, what if a woman wanted to drive it?
 
2014-02-01 05:43:31 PM  
I wonder why hybrid electric cars don't use a multi fuel wankel as a generator plant? Seems to be a perfect application. Low weight, more efficient under constant load, could stuff it anywhere, uses low octane fuel.

Strange.
 
2014-02-01 05:46:42 PM  

Valiente: jaytkay: Piston engine goes boing boing boing Mazda engine goes mmmmmm

OK, you are definitely older than me. Or a real fan of the Wankeling.


I am old
 
2014-02-01 05:47:13 PM  
Never mind, not a new idea.
 
2014-02-01 05:52:55 PM  
Announcer:Are you embarrassed easily? I am. But it's nothing to worry about. It's all part of growing up and being British. This course is designed to eliminate embarrassment, to enable you to talk freely about rude objects, to look at akward and embarrassing things, and to point at people's privates. The course has been designed by Dr. Karl Gruber of the Institute of Going A Bit Red in Helsinki. Here, he himself introduces the course.
Dr. Karl Gruber:Hello, my name is Karl Gruber. Thank you for inviting me into your home. My method is the result of six years work here at the institute, in which subjects were exposed to simulated embarrassment predicaments, over a prolonged fart - period! time! (fart) ...Sorry. Lesson 1: Words. Do any of these words embarass you?
Voice over:Shoe. Megaphone. Grunties.
Dr. Karl Gruber:Now let's go on to something ruder:
Voice over:Wankel rotary engine.
Dr. Karl Gruber:Now lesson 2: Noises. Noises are a major embarrassment source. Even words like "tits", "winkle" and "vibraphone" can not rival the embarrassment potential of sound. Listen to this, if you can:
(embarrassing sound)
How do you rate your embarrassment response? 
A) High.
B) Hello!
C) Good evening!
If C, you are loosening up, and will soon be ready for this:
(more embarrassing sounds)
Well! How did you rate?
A) Embarrassed.
B) Hello!
C) Good evening!
Now lesson 3, in which these rude and dirty sounds are combined with smutty visual suggestions into a embarrassment simulation situation. You are the waiter at this table:
Lady:Charles, I've got something to show you...  (zipper, thud, thud)
Dr. Karl Gruber:Score 5 for no embarrassment, score 3 for slight embarrassment, and 1 for...
 
2014-02-01 05:54:16 PM  
"Sonuvabiatch!  I can't get rid of this oil leak!"

- Felix Wankel
- Arthur Davidson
 
2014-02-01 05:56:12 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shoe.
Megaphone.
Grunties.


came for this, leaving satisfied
 
2014-02-01 05:58:53 PM  

Skunkwolf: I wonder why hybrid electric cars don't use a multi fuel wankel as a generator plant? Seems to be a perfect application. Low weight, more efficient under constant load, could stuff it anywhere, uses low octane fuel.

Strange.


I kept waiting for this or for turbines to be used.  Held on to CPST stock forever waiting for it to happen.  Never happened.  Wankers......(still made money, sweet stock)
 
2014-02-01 06:21:26 PM  
www.bikescatalog.comDad had one of these
 
2014-02-01 06:22:43 PM  

fat boy: [www.bikescatalog.com image 625x417]Dad had one of these


I would love to hear one of those.
 
2014-02-01 06:24:29 PM  

Valiente: kroonermanblack: Isn't the wankel not used because durability proved to be pretty crap compared to standard box and V engines? I know what Top Gear has taught me about cars. So I know POWAH!! is usually the solution, and that's about it.

I thought the main issue with the Wankel was the seal wear and the so-so fuel economy. The low engine weight makes them great for small aircraft, however.


It's the emissions - the Wankel's effectively a 2-stroke in that regard.

/ there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.
 
2014-02-01 06:28:58 PM  
I LOVE my RX7. Autocrossing was never more fun!
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-02-01 06:32:35 PM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2014-02-01 06:33:26 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shoe.
Megaphone.
Grunties.


Comforted that I'm not the only one.
 
2014-02-01 06:36:48 PM  

SavageWombat: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shoe.
Megaphone.
Grunties.

Comforted that I'm not the only one.


Would you rate your discomfort as:
High
Hello, or
Good Evening

/ tonight on Ethel the Frog ...
 
2014-02-01 06:37:09 PM  

Glitchwerks: [farm3.static.flickr.com image 850x680]


Pretty sure I saw that at the Monterey Motorsports Reunion last year. Bad ass car.

/watched a Lotus 79 take some laps the other day. Most beautiful race car ever.
 
2014-02-01 06:51:10 PM  
Knew a guy in college that had a Mazda pickup. Where the tailgate had said "Rotary Power" had been retouched with matching paint so it read "Pot Power."

That's all I got.
 
2014-02-01 07:00:32 PM  
1929
 
2014-02-01 07:07:57 PM  

kroonermanblack: Isn't the wankel not used because durability proved to be pretty crap compared to standard box and V engines? I know what Top Gear has taught me about cars. So I know POWAH!! is usually the solution, and that's about it.


As someone whose RX-8 needed a third engine replacement just after the warranty expired, I can safely say durability is a slight issue.
 
2014-02-01 07:20:17 PM  

Eric The Pilot: kroonermanblack: Isn't the wankel not used because durability proved to be pretty crap compared to standard box and V engines? I know what Top Gear has taught me about cars. So I know POWAH!! is usually the solution, and that's about it.

As someone whose RX-8 needed a third engine replacement just after the warranty expired, I can safely say durability is a slight issue.


I would have run a check on the VIN after the first one. That's never a good sign. I hope it was just bad luck.
 
2014-02-01 07:31:12 PM  

dionysusaur: / there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.


WW1 fighters = rotary engine
Wankel = rotary combustion engine
 
2014-02-01 08:05:26 PM  
Love rotary engines, but Atkinson cycle is the future!  (And by "future" I mean "present")
 
2014-02-01 08:06:26 PM  

jaytkay: Valiente: jaytkay: Piston engine goes boing boing boing Mazda engine goes mmmmmm

OK, you are definitely older than me. Or a real fan of the Wankeling.

I am old


BoingBoing Boing was the first thing to run through my brain when I read the headline.
 
2014-02-01 08:10:10 PM  

fat boy: [www.bikescatalog.com image 625x417]Dad had one of these


please enlighten us.  what is it?
 
2014-02-01 08:21:51 PM  

gravy chugging cretin.: fat boy: [www.bikescatalog.com image 625x417]Dad had one of these

please enlighten us.  what is it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_RE5
 
2014-02-01 08:27:01 PM  

Skunkwolf: fat boy: [www.bikescatalog.com image 625x417]Dad had one of these

I would love to hear one of those.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqIboqfIE-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ammve9wcIzQ
 
2014-02-01 09:16:26 PM  

dionysusaur: / there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.


Those were RADIAL engines. They're piston engines with the pistons arranged in a circle (as opposed to inline or a Vee)

My wife had an 85 RX-7 GSL-SE. The engine was magnificent. Smooth and revvy and reasonably powerful for its day.
Gas mileage sucked hard though... it used to get 15-17 MPG.
 
2014-02-01 09:16:56 PM  
Smokey Yunick wanted to race a Wankel at Indy but the officials said "no."
 
2014-02-01 09:21:51 PM  

mrmopar5287: dionysusaur: / there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.

WW1 fighters = rotary engine
Wankel = rotary combustion engine


The WW1 rotaries weren't combustion engines?

/ nits being picked, yes, but I'd like to understand your distinction so I can use it, too.
 
2014-02-01 09:28:53 PM  

dionysusaur: mrmopar5287: dionysusaur: / there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.

WW1 fighters = rotary engine
Wankel = rotary combustion engine

The WW1 rotaries weren't combustion engines?

/ nits being picked, yes, but I'd like to understand your distinction so I can use it, too.


Some airplane engines spin, and are therefore rotary, but not in the same way as a Wankel. Some airplane engines have pistons in a circle, but do not spin, and are therefore called "radial" instead of "rotary".
 
2014-02-01 09:36:34 PM  
I had an '82 RX-7 GS, and in spite of its faults (the E-Z Flood™ manual choke carburetor, horrible emissions due to a previous owner's tampering, a propensity to eat starter motors, and wackily expensive spark plugs and ignition parts), it was a hell of a lot of fun to drive, as long as the roads weren't covered with ice. I managed to get sideways with it on the Tri-State Tollway one winter day, but managed to recover without hitting anything. Definitely not a good winter car.

It was the "modified" catalysts that did it in. Illinois started requiring smog inspections and it would have required a hell of a lot of cash to get it up to snuff, so I said "fark it" and got something newer. The next owner, living outside the smog inspection zone, kept it until it had 240,000 miles on it.

The silly thing is that my current ride (a Honda Fit) is quicker from 0-60 and in the quarter mile, while getting vastly better gas mileage. But there's no substitute for that oh-so-sexy look of the early RX-7.

I don't really know why the RX-8 had such problems with its engines - maybe they were trying to push it too hard. Certainly, the 12A in the early RX-7 was not especially powerful.
 
2014-02-01 09:56:23 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: dionysusaur: mrmopar5287: dionysusaur: / there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.

WW1 fighters = rotary engine
Wankel = rotary combustion engine

The WW1 rotaries weren't combustion engines?

/ nits being picked, yes, but I'd like to understand your distinction so I can use it, too.

Some airplane engines spin, and are therefore rotary, but not in the same way as a Wankel. Some airplane engines have pistons in a circle, but do not spin, and are therefore called "radial" instead of "rotary".


(see bolding)  So in what way is a piston rotary not a combustion engine?  The combustion drives rotation on both cases.
 
2014-02-01 11:03:12 PM  

dionysusaur: itcamefromschenectady: dionysusaur: mrmopar5287: dionysusaur: / there were a bunch of rotary piston engines on WW1 fighters, so the Wankel is something special as far as rotaries go.

WW1 fighters = rotary engine
Wankel = rotary combustion engine

The WW1 rotaries weren't combustion engines?

/ nits being picked, yes, but I'd like to understand your distinction so I can use it, too.

Some airplane engines spin, and are therefore rotary, but not in the same way as a Wankel. Some airplane engines have pistons in a circle, but do not spin, and are therefore called "radial" instead of "rotary".

(see bolding)  So in what way is a piston rotary not a combustion engine?  The combustion drives rotation on both cases.


In a rotary airplane engine, the cylinders actually rotate around an offset crankshaft, causing the pistons inside them to cycle through the combustion process.  The engine rotates, thus rotary.  In a Rotary Combustion Engine (like the Wankel), the engine block is stationery, and the rotor itself performs the intake, compression, combustion, and exhaust duties.  The rotor actually performs the combustion tasks inside the block.  Does that clear things up a bit?  I hope I described that correctly.
 
2014-02-01 11:20:00 PM  
Reliability not a huge issue if it isn't abused. At 120k miles on my RX8. 1985 RX7 died at 186,000. 1991 Turbo died at 155,000. Had both the 1985 and 1991 up and running again in a weekend.

Gas mileage does suck though. I get 17-20 on my RX8 with oxygenated gas. With real gas, I get 24.

For comparo, the wife's Mini Cooper S gets 34-40 on normal gas. With the oxygenated crap, 21-23.
 
2014-02-01 11:58:08 PM  
Engineering beauty in simplicity.
 
2014-02-02 12:35:45 AM  

fat boy: [www.bikescatalog.com image 625x417]Dad had one of these


my dad has two of these.. one to ride and one for parts
 
2014-02-02 01:33:59 AM  
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
/Flooded RX-8 for size comparison.

ih2.redbubble.net
/Why nobody in the tuning scene likes rotaries. They can't put their turbos on em.
 
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