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(The Red Shtick)   Creation Museum President Ken Ham and Bill Nye "The Science Guy" will hold a joint exercise in intellectual masturbation on February 4. Also, white chocolate is a lie   (theredshtick.com) divider line 107
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2014-02-01 12:58:54 PM
I doubt these people will be able to agree on the most basic issues of what constitutes truth, much less come to some reasonable debate about substantive issues.

Snore. I'll pass.
 
2014-02-01 01:06:23 PM
herbmuseum.ca

God gave us chocolate, science gave us white chocolate. Who do you believe?
 
2014-02-01 01:23:58 PM

Fubini: I doubt these people will be able to agree on the most basic issues of what constitutes truth, much less come to some reasonable debate about substantive issues.

Snore. I'll pass.


Yup. No matter what happens, both sides will declare victory.
 
2014-02-01 01:31:52 PM
Yeah, this is pointless.  I think it's a mistake for Nye to even give the appearance that this is a debate at all.  I'm sure he'll wipe the floor with Ham, but he'll make some little slip or flash some degree of anger or annoyance that Ham and his supporters will take as a sign of victory.

I will not be watching.  I'm sure something better will be on anywhere.
 
2014-02-01 01:39:59 PM

Exception Collection: Yup. No matter what happens, both sides will declare victory.


Which is a shame, because an alternate discussion such as:

"The role of science in a faith-based society."

or

"The role of faith in a science-based society."

would actually be really cool between Bill Nye and the CEO of creationists or whoever he is.
 
2014-02-01 02:25:04 PM
MY SIDE WON THE DEBATE!  (I now only have to watch highlights and cherry pick the statements which prove it!)
 
2014-02-01 02:25:50 PM
To people arguing when they have their own, completely contradictory, set of facts.
Big fun, big fun.....

That said, god bless bill Nye, their May be kids out there listening who have been told a bunch of bs by threat parents, but are still on the fence
 
2014-02-01 02:26:25 PM
The thing about facts is no matter how hard you pretend they're not true, they're still true.
 
2014-02-01 02:26:30 PM
Not to mention Ken Ham will deliberately quotemine Nye for his benefit. Example: Nye: "There is no evidence that, nor does evolution claim to postulate that one animal turns into another animal" Ham: "As you can see Nye says evolution isn't true."
 
2014-02-01 02:26:55 PM
i like white chocolate...
 
2014-02-01 02:27:07 PM
I am disappointed, Mr. nye.  Your time would be better spent arguing against a wall, at least the wall wouldn't yell back and claim it won a victory in a debate.
 
2014-02-01 02:27:25 PM

jake_lex: Yeah, this is pointless. I think it's a mistake for Nye to even give the appearance that this is a debate at all.


Maybe he'll roundhouse kick the guy or poke him in the eye with a stick. Then it would be worthwhile.
 
2014-02-01 02:29:07 PM
Quotemine and strawman. That's what I meant to say
 
2014-02-01 02:29:10 PM
Mr. Wizard kicked Bill Nye's ass.
 
2014-02-01 02:32:19 PM
God of the Gaps = take a drink
Watchmaker Fallacy = take a drink
Demanding intermediary fossils for every farking gap in the fossil record = take a drink
Fossils were deposited by the Great Flood = take a shot
Carbon dating is flawed = take a drink
Nobody's ever witnessed evolution occurring = take a drink
Crocaduck = 2 bottles of scotch
Ham weepingly renounces God = finish the bottle
Nye opens the debate by silently walking up to Ham, unzipping, and pissing in his face = everyone recites a stanza from "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner"
 
2014-02-01 02:32:49 PM

Mad Tea Party: i like white chocolate...


Good for you, but kindly call it something else. It has NO chocolate in it, so why the hell would you call it white chocolate? Call it white curdled milk fat without chocolate, because that's what it is. Anything BUT chocolate.
 
2014-02-01 02:33:14 PM
Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.
 
2014-02-01 02:33:49 PM

dforkus: To people arguing when they have their own, completely contradictory, set of facts.
Big fun, big fun.....

That said, god bless bill Nye, their May be kids out there listening who have been told a bunch of bs by threat parents, but are still on the fence


Uh, you can have your own opinion, but you cannot have your own facts. Each side has their own opinion, but only one of them is fact-based.
 
2014-02-01 02:34:01 PM
How do you argue with "sure you scientific evidence may point to this, but the bible says this, so it is all wrong."
 
2014-02-01 02:34:01 PM
Obligatory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkJEt1UsUcs
Mr. Wizard is a dick
 
2014-02-01 02:34:36 PM

Mister Buttons: I am disappointed, Mr. nye.  Your time would be better spent arguing against a wall, at least the wall wouldn't yell back and claim it won a victory in a debate.


i.usatoday.net

Yeah but you might lose the war that way. Doubt it is possible in this case.....
 
2014-02-01 02:35:42 PM
I read that entire article in the voice of Milhouse.
 
2014-02-01 02:36:48 PM
 
2014-02-01 02:37:50 PM

Mael99: Mad Tea Party: i like white chocolate...

Good for you, but kindly call it something else. It has NO chocolate in it, so why the hell would you call it white chocolate? Call it white curdled milk fat without chocolate, because that's what it is. Anything BUT chocolate.


I like it too.
/white substitute chocolate?
//the other white chocolate?
///white chocolate bi-product?
 
2014-02-01 02:38:23 PM

limeyfellow: How do you argue with "sure you scientific evidence may point to this, but the bible says this, so it is all wrong."


Agreed.  When you're starting from two completely different sets of assumptions, there's no way you'll come to the same conclusion.
 
2014-02-01 02:42:08 PM

PanicMan: limeyfellow: How do you argue with "sure you scientific evidence may point to this, but the bible says this, so it is all wrong."

Agreed.  When you're starting from two completely different sets of assumptions, there's no way you'll come to the same conclusion.


Unless you ridicule the other side really hard. That always changes minds.
 
2014-02-01 02:42:20 PM

AntiGravitas: MY SIDE WON THE DEBATE!  (I now only have to watch highlights and cherry pick the statements which prove it!)


This is a debate in the same way you debated the existence of Santa Claus with your five year old nephew. So no I don't need to cherry pick facts because the all actual facts support evolution. If you think otherwise you might be fuzzy on the definition of the word fact. But you know what? You're right both sides are bad, who do you think I should vote for in the next election?

opcshow.org
 
2014-02-01 02:42:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Uh, you can have your own opinion, but you cannot have your own facts.



Yes you can, just ask any creationist, anti-vaxxer, climate change denier, or 9/11 truther..

Notice, I didn't say two completely contradictory, and equal, set of facts..
 
2014-02-01 02:43:08 PM
One has scientific  fact on his side and the other has ancient middle eastern fables, the words "intellectual debate" doesn't apply here. But good for Bill Nye.
 
2014-02-01 02:44:14 PM

jake_lex: Yeah, this is pointless.  I think it's a mistake for Nye to even give the appearance that this is a debate at all.  I'm sure he'll wipe the floor with Ham, but he'll make some little slip or flash some degree of anger or annoyance that Ham and his supporters will take as a sign of victory.

I will not be watching.  I'm sure something better will be on anywhere.


Ham will just JAQ off all over the place, then Gish gallop into the sunset and declare victory.
 
2014-02-01 02:44:33 PM

Mael99: Mad Tea Party: i like white chocolate...

Good for you, but kindly call it something else. It has NO chocolate in it, so why the hell would you call it white chocolate?


It says so in the Bible.
 
2014-02-01 02:45:19 PM
When people argue about politics, religion, or anything on the internet, all sides usually seem to believe they are winning.  Yet, there are rarely any winners involved.
 
2014-02-01 02:46:27 PM
They've already announced the creationist nutter will be debating "Evolution apologist Bill Nye".  Yeah, I'm sure they'll totally make this a fair and impartial debate.
 
2014-02-01 02:47:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.


What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?
 
2014-02-01 02:48:02 PM
Bill Nye will likely mop the floor with Ken Ham my problem is Bill Nye isn't actually a  scientist he only played one on TV.

/A BS in Mechanical doesn't make you a scientist
 
2014-02-01 02:49:03 PM

dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?


I don't have a problem with him, but he's as much an evolutionary biologist as Limbaugh or Moore is an economist. He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.
 
2014-02-01 02:51:26 PM
Why would Bill Nye give this guy a bit of credibility by getting on the same stage with him?
 
2014-02-01 02:52:57 PM

SBinRR: Why would Bill Nye give this guy a bit of credibility by getting on the same stage with him?


He needs the money
 
2014-02-01 02:53:06 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?

I don't have a problem with him, but he's as much an evolutionary biologist as Limbaugh or Moore is an economist. He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.


So then, he should be able to handle this perfectly.
 
2014-02-01 02:55:17 PM

Mael99: Mad Tea Party: i like white chocolate...

Good for you, but kindly call it something else. It has NO chocolate in it, so why the hell would you call it white chocolate? Call it white curdled milk fat without chocolate, because that's what it is. Anything BUT chocolate.


One of it's main components is cocoa butter, it just doesn't have the cocoa solids added back in during the processing.  So, if chocolate is defined by being derived from cacao, then white chocolate is still chocolate.
 
2014-02-01 02:56:58 PM

Exception Collection: Yup. No matter what happens, both sides will declare victory.


Except, one side  actually does win. Hamm and his ilk get the validation they crave just from being on the stage with an engineer, and the money from the poor bastards they predate keeps pouring right on in. Scientists get nothing from this, and then actually have to contend with an easily-confused populace now thinking is is an actual debate.

The only winning move, for people who are into the whole "facts and reality" thing, is not to play.
 
2014-02-01 02:57:08 PM

Voodoo_Stu: When people argue about politics, religion, or anything on the internet, all sides usually seem to believe they are winning.  Yet, there are rarely any winners involved.


It's like Vegas. The house wins.

/ If you're paying the $5/month
 
2014-02-01 02:57:21 PM

dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?


Here's a clip of Rusty Limbaugh debating Al Gore on Nightline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbC-yWycHfM">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=WbC-yWycHfM
 
2014-02-01 02:57:25 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?

I don't have a problem with him, but he's as much an evolutionary biologist as Limbaugh or Moore is an economist. He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.


And Ham thinks dinosaurs and humans coexisted and the Earth is 6000years old.
They are not equally cringeworthy.
Nye has been one of the best ambassadors for science since Sagan died. He won't prove string theory, but who gives a crap. I think he's a force for light and knowledge in the world and Ham is a white knight for darkness and ignorance.
 
2014-02-01 02:57:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?

I don't have a problem with him, but he's as much an evolutionary biologist as Limbaugh or Moore is an economist. He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.


From his CV:

Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering, License # 21531Cornell University, Ithaca NY - 1977
PhD Honoris Causa, Doctor of Humane Letters, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore MD - 2008
Honorary PhD, Goucher College, Washington DC - 2000
Honorary PhD, Rensselaer Polytechnic, Troy NY - 1999

He's grounded in science. He's got enough chops to explain this.
 
2014-02-01 02:58:29 PM
It's called a dialogue des sourds (a dialogue of the deaf). The French have a word for everything and it makes everything more delicious, including irony.

Nota Bene

Science did not give us white chocolate. It's made from the carob bean.

The Mediterranean region gave us white chocolate.

The phrase "locusts and wild honey" in the Bible may refer to carob pods rather than the insect, which is seasonal, so to speak, and can't be relied on. Think of the irony. John the Baptist was out there in the desert feasting on carob and wild honey instead of eating bugs. Damned Bible has pwned us again. We should have known. They always say everything twice in the Bible for the hard of understanding.

But not as ironic as this picture of carob beans (Wikipedia):

upload.wikimedia.org

My baby loves the Mamba Chocolate Mambo. White chocolate, that is. Oh, yeah!

Once you go white, everything's uptight and all right.

 
2014-02-01 02:58:40 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.


And that's why Nye's perfect for this debate.
 
2014-02-01 03:00:32 PM

that bosnian sniper: Exception Collection: Yup. No matter what happens, both sides will declare victory.

Except, one side  actually does win. Hamm and his ilk get the validation they crave just from being on the stage with an engineer, and the money from the poor bastards they predate keeps pouring right on in. Scientists get nothing from this, and then actually have to contend with an easily-confused populace now thinking is is an actual debate.

The only winning move, for people who are into the whole "facts and reality" thing, is not to play.


Exactly.
 
2014-02-01 03:00:45 PM

dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?

I don't have a problem with him, but he's as much an evolutionary biologist as Limbaugh or Moore is an economist. He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.

And Ham thinks dinosaurs and humans coexisted and the Earth is 6000years old.
They are not equally cringeworthy.
Nye has been one of the best ambassadors for science since Sagan died. He won't prove string theory, but who gives a crap. I think he's a force for light and knowledge in the world and Ham is a white knight for darkness and ignorance.


I only wish Neil Degrasse Tyson would spend ten minutes beating down this idiot. Though it would be a huge wast of his energy.
 
2014-02-01 03:02:14 PM

grumpfuff: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: dstrick44: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, they're equally cringe-worthy with respect to the "side" they claim to be representing. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore debate between capitalism and socialism.

What's your problem with Nye?
What has he done that's equally idiotic as the $27m creation museum?

I don't have a problem with him, but he's as much an evolutionary biologist as Limbaugh or Moore is an economist. He's great at introducing scientific concepts to children.

So then, he should be able to handle this perfectly.


/darn it
 
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