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2014-02-01 12:07:57 PM  
Makes sense... their fandom draws them to the industry but doesn't necessarily mean they have the talent needed.
 
2014-02-01 03:28:44 PM  
Comic books have the same problems.

Undertalented fanboys are running he two biggest companies in the industry, writing and drawing material that would barely be passable as fanfiction.
 
2014-02-01 03:37:23 PM  
老人は雲を叫ぶ
 
2014-02-01 03:38:24 PM  
Uh. Yeah. Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US. Article's author is dumb.
 
2014-02-01 03:39:02 PM  
That might be a wrong final particle.
 
2014-02-01 03:43:58 PM  
To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.
 
2014-02-01 03:49:28 PM  

Leishu: To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.


This. He's not talking about "fans of anime" or "people who like anime". Obviously people who work on anime, like anime. He's talking about the socially awkward obsessive meganerds. And not just any socially awkward obsessive meganerd, but the ones who define themselves by their "love" for anime and use it to project all their weird fetishes. farking moe and lolicon makes me sick.
 
2014-02-01 03:54:38 PM  
I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.
 
2014-02-01 03:59:15 PM  
Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...
 
2014-02-01 04:01:05 PM  
Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?
 
2014-02-01 04:03:48 PM  
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「スコットランドの問題点は、スコットランドの完全であるということです」
 
2014-02-01 04:15:19 PM  

Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?


Yes, but anime fans are extra yucky.
 
2014-02-01 04:24:10 PM  

Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?


To a degree. But the real danger is when a fandom lasts for too long, because eventually the industry creating the object of desire becomes full of members of the fandom. Whether it's comic books or anime, when these industries began they were naturally propelled by bright sparks of imagination. That drew consumers to them and made them successful. But they've been around for so long the people who developed and fostered these things died, and now a small subset of the consumers buying these goods, members of the fandom, are in charge. Since they're mindless fans they've enshrined the past practices and ideas and what they make is just a poor imitation of it. All they add to these industries is their own adolescent fanfiction ideas and fetishes. "I want Batman and Wonder Woman to make out. No I don't care if that doesn't make sense. I'll retcon everything." And no one gives a shiat about that crap so these things slowly die as the fandom circlejerks its way out of existence.
 
2014-02-01 04:58:43 PM  

StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...


His movies are trite, heavy-handed, and often nonsensical. He's not the worst out there, but nowhere near the best.
 
2014-02-01 04:58:56 PM  
Well, no, that's not at all what he says, subby.

He means that the people drawing anime these days aren't aiming for a general audience...they are making it for people like themselves, and don't branch out beyond that.  I've translated anime and manga before, but I didn't particularly care for most of it, because it's clichéd and grotesquely overly exaggerated.  It has no appeal for anyone who doesn't already like that sort of thing and that's what kills something's popularity.  That's why people love Miyazaki's films...they are universal and are nothing like the genre itself.
 
2014-02-01 05:08:48 PM  

1. Put snakes on plane: StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...

His movies are trite, heavy-handed, and often nonsensical. He's not the worst out there, but nowhere near the best.


"I come to Fark to feel better about myself."

Indeed.
 
2014-02-01 05:11:18 PM  

Foxxinnia: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

To a degree. But the real danger is when a fandom lasts for too long, because eventually the industry creating the object of desire becomes full of members of the fandom. Whether it's comic books or anime, when these industries began they were naturally propelled by bright sparks of imagination. That drew consumers to them and made them successful. But they've been around for so long the people who developed and fostered these things died, and now a small subset of the consumers buying these goods, members of the fandom, are in charge. Since they're mindless fans they've enshrined the past practices and ideas and what they make is just a poor imitation of it. All they add to these industries is their own adolescent fanfiction ideas and fetishes. "I want Batman and Wonder Woman to make out. No I don't care if that doesn't make sense. I'll retcon everything." And no one gives a shiat about that crap so these things slowly die as the fandom circlejerks its way out of existence.


90% of anything is crap, so you are always going to see terrible reimaginings of old characters and genres. New blood can always come in a put a fresh new spin on old stories, however. For example, Sherlock Holmes has recently had one brilliant moder update, one very good one with a gender flipped Watson, and a least past one entertaining new movie. Even in comics, there are classics like Batman: Year One, All-Star Superman, and Sandman that were created by fans of the original works and which provided new, fresh spins on the characters and ideas. He'll just look at how many times Shakespeare's stories have been updated, reimagined, or borrowed from by fans.
 
2014-02-01 05:19:17 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


Larry and Curly aren't doing it any favors either.
 
2014-02-01 05:34:51 PM  

Mister Peejay: optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.

Larry and Curly aren't doing it any favors either.


And Joe? Joe is worst of all.
 
2014-02-01 05:38:03 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


It seems like more and more stuff is about less and less. The whole "girls sit around and drink tea while being cute" thing was okay once, after that it just gets old. Penguindrum is one of the few series that seemed to break the trend.

("moe" anime for non-anime fans: Imagine Joss Whedon series with all River Tams and Dawns, but no Zoes or Buffys, and certainly no Cordelias.)
 
2014-02-01 05:43:35 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Not impressed.
 
2014-02-01 05:47:00 PM  
I've heard his films described as "feminist", which would be a more compelling argument if his films didn't have quite so many little girl panties, frankly. I wonder if he listened to the collected works of R. Kelly when he sketched? Kiki's Delivery Service seemed to be about children's underwear in spots. But not spotted underwear.

/yes, I may be trollin'
 
2014-02-01 05:47:50 PM  
Meanwhile in Southern Texas, we have another problem.

www.mst3kinfo.com

Crow: "Texans!"
 
2014-02-01 05:48:19 PM  

Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?


Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?
 
2014-02-01 05:49:05 PM  
A series of screen captures from an interview given by Miyazaki was recently posted on  Japanese website Golden Times.


It's a website about pee and sex, isn't it? I mean, come on... this is a Japanese website we're talking about here, so don't pretend it's out of the question!
 
2014-02-01 05:50:38 PM  

bborchar: Well, no, that's not at all what he says, subby.

He means that the people drawing anime these days aren't aiming for a general audience...they are making it for people like themselves, and don't branch out beyond that.  I've translated anime and manga before, but I didn't particularly care for most of it, because it's clichéd and grotesquely overly exaggerated.  It has no appeal for anyone who doesn't already like that sort of thing and that's what kills something's popularity.  That's why people love Miyazaki's films...they are universal and are nothing like the genre itself.


I imagine a good deal of the problem is the way anime is priced in Japan. Anime studios make no money from TV broadcasts, so all of their income comes from DVDs/BDs. Each disk typically contain 2 episodes, and costs about $80. For a 13 episode series, you're going to get 6/7 disks, for a total of about $560. The only people who are going to pay that price are the crazy otaku, so there's no point in catering towards others.
 
2014-02-01 05:52:53 PM  

Oysterman: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?


Not really, unless you consider one picture "hijacking".

In which case, I am now hijacking this thread and making it about Captain Picard

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2014-02-01 05:54:12 PM  

Valiente: I've heard his films described as "feminist", which would be a more compelling argument if his films didn't have quite so many little girl panties, frankly. I wonder if he listened to the collected works of R. Kelly when he sketched? Kiki's Delivery Service seemed to be about children's underwear in spots. But not spotted underwear.

/yes, I may be trollin'


It's not Japanese unless you see some panties. The thing is, it's not that Myazaki  showcase panties, they just admit they exist. And they're usually puffy bloomers. Compare that to western animation where you will never see underpants outside of a porno cartoon, or your more typical anime like "Strike Witches" which has a deliberate panty shot every 90 seconds.
 
2014-02-01 05:59:08 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


There's still good stuff being made. You just have to wade through a lot of crap to get there. I was really happy with Attack on Titan. I'm hoping it gets another season since the series didn't really wrap up in any meaningful way. I'm also still enjoying Hajime no Ippo. Plus there's the current Ghost in the Shell movie series still going.

I don't expect every season to be wall-to-wall classics. I'm content with one or two really good shows at a time.

/still not sure what to think of Space Dandy
 
2014-02-01 06:03:26 PM  
I'm going to take this opportunity to say that Outbreak Company is freaking awesome.

/don't play a "call out the reference" drinking game with this one
//you WILL die of alcohol poisoning
///third slashie for my fellow anime fans
 
2014-02-01 06:05:53 PM  

Oysterman: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?


Is that a serious question? Or is it one of those "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?" questions.
 
2014-02-01 06:50:33 PM  

baconbeard: Oysterman: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?

Is that a serious question? Or is it one of those "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?" questions.


Is the Space Pope a lizard?
 
2014-02-01 07:02:21 PM  
I had an anime phase a little over a decade ago; Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, and Hellsing pulled me in. After that I had a hard time finding a series I could take seriously, the over the top reactions by characters and kiddie themes became absurd and were a big turn off. I'm sure there is something out there now worth seeing, I'm just not going to dig through it all to find something I like.
 
2014-02-01 07:10:12 PM  

MayoSlather: I had an anime phase a little over a decade ago; Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, and Hellsing pulled me in. After that I had a hard time finding a series I could take seriously, the over the top reactions by characters and kiddie themes became absurd and were a big turn off. I'm sure there is something out there now worth seeing, I'm just not going to dig through it all to find something I like.


Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Monster
 
2014-02-01 07:32:05 PM  

Leishu: To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.


Uhhhh...

So if your dream is to be the next big thing in the anime industry, it might be in your best interest to get out of the house a little more.  Feel free to take your sketchbook with you.

What part of that is different from what you said?
 
2014-02-01 07:39:21 PM  
picsthatdontsuck.com

/Really, I'm the first?
 
2014-02-01 07:53:48 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Leishu: To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.

Uhhhh...

So if your dream is to be the next big thing in the anime industry, it might be in your best interest to get out of the house a little more.  Feel free to take your sketchbook with you.

What part of that is different from what you said?


The added stuff and the headline, mostly, where he says that this has anything to do with them being Anime fans, which it does not.
 
2014-02-01 07:54:41 PM  

Leishu: Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US.


To those of us in the US who don't self-identify as otaku it does.
 
2014-02-01 07:57:48 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Leishu: Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US.

To those of us in the US who don't self-identify as otaku it does.


... maybe because you aren't in Japan, or Japanese. Let me rephrase:

Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US.
 
2014-02-01 07:59:06 PM  
(If you are a person in the US for whom Otaku DOES signify a "Shut-in," then you are the exception, not the rule)
 
2014-02-01 08:36:20 PM  

gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ


It can't be を since 叫ぶ is intransitive. It should really be に, and I think we need to change the verb out (not 100% sure on that part; it does mean shout, but I don't think it carries the nuance wanted).

おじいさんは雲に怒鳴りまし(or maybe 叫びました).
 
2014-02-01 08:49:05 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Comic books have the same problems.

Undertalented fanboys are running he two biggest companies in the industry, writing and drawing material that would barely be passable as fanfiction.


Dan Slot. Dan Slot. Dan Slot.
 
2014-02-01 08:57:21 PM  

angstycoder: gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ

It can't be を since 叫ぶ is intransitive. It should really be に, and I think we need to change the verb out (not 100% sure on that part; it does mean shout, but I don't think it carries the nuance wanted).

おじいさんは雲に怒鳴ります(or maybe 叫びます).


FTFM (wrong tense, accidentally deleted a syllable. I shouldn't post immediately upon waking from a nap).
 
2014-02-01 09:03:16 PM  
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.
 
2014-02-01 09:38:57 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


People have been complaining about that since the late 80's/early 90's. It's nothing new.

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-01 09:41:41 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Samurai Champloo

is made by the same guy, and is just as good.  Death Note is also incredible, and had me binge-watching against my will like it was Breaking Bad or something.  As for movies, don't miss Paprika.  It's the most amazing piece of animation i've seen in my life.
 
2014-02-01 09:45:18 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.


Give Legend of the Galactic Heroes a shot. It tells its story in a mature (though some would say slow paced) manner.
 
2014-02-01 09:48:09 PM  
If there's one group of online fans who can rival anime fans in terms of obnoxiousness, it would be Joss Whedon fans.  I'm sure you've all seen them: the guys who think everything Joss touches turns to gold, the guys who still biatch about Firefly being cancelled even though it happened over a decade ago, the ones who constantly say things like "shiny" and "I'll be in my bunk", the guys who get boners every time they see Summer Glau or Felecia Day.  I remember one Cracked article said something like "Whedonites are to Trekkies as the Nation of Islam was to the Civil Rights movement."

Fun fact: the show Dollhouse was renewed for a second season despite low ratings because Fox executives were afraid that their inboxes would be flooded by angry letters from Joss Whedon fans if they canceled it.
 
2014-02-01 09:51:03 PM  

angstycoder: angstycoder: gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ

It can't be を since 叫ぶ is intransitive. It should really be に, and I think we need to change the verb out (not 100% sure on that part; it does mean shout, but I don't think it carries the nuance wanted).

おじいさんは雲に怒鳴ります(or maybe 叫びます).

FTFM (wrong tense, accidentally deleted a syllable. I shouldn't post immediately upon waking from a nap).


(⋆ˋ⑉ˊ)൭൭⁼³₌₃  小さいにぎりこぶしを振るています。
 
2014-02-01 09:51:59 PM  
sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"

Other styles and types, but still good:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

If you want to explore a bit, try Crunchyroll. They have some great stuff, from pretty much any subgenre you'd like.

Hulu has a huge selection, but a lot of it needs a Hulu subscription to access.
 
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