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(Slate)   Don't just assume she's guilty. We all know the Italian Justice system is insane   (slate.com ) divider line
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2014-02-01 10:11:49 AM  
no, the Italian justice system is hopelessly corrupt. There's a difference.
 
2014-02-01 10:15:28 AM  
FTA: "This, of course, would never happen in a U.S. court, where the Constitution forbids suspects from being repeatedly retried. "

Wut

If a US appeals court declares you get a new trial during your appeals process you get a new trial. There's not really a difference here.
 
2014-02-01 10:27:14 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: If a US appeals court declares you get a new trial during your appeals process you get a new trial. There's not really a difference here.


Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.
 
2014-02-01 10:33:40 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.


I was referring the idea in the article that people in the US somehow never get retried after an appeal. The whole purpose of appealing a guilty verdict is usually to get a new trial as appeals courts don't usually just throw out verdicts and let you walk free

The italian court system is still retarded.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-01 11:22:12 AM  
The problem is that there was no evidence.  The prosecution even had a totally new theory of what happened.  This case sounds like something out of Texas.
 
2014-02-01 12:13:12 PM  
If at first you don't get the verdict you want, keep trying until you do get the verdict you want

/f*cking ridiculous
 
2014-02-01 12:18:56 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Doktor_Zhivago: If a US appeals court declares you get a new trial during your appeals process you get a new trial. There's not really a difference here.

Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.


this is also false

she was found guilty court
overturned in appellate court
that appeal was overturned in the supreme court and sent back for retrial

that is totally possible in the US, esp depending on what the appeal was about in the first place: false testimony, evidence, misconduct, etc etc etc

The high court could have overturned the appeal and just reinstated the sentence. So it could have been worse.

THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER , EVER TALK TO THE POLICE without a lawyer.
AND never ever talk to the health people about HIV without a lawyer.

farkIT, I am becoming a lawyer so I will be safe talking to people.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-01 12:31:21 PM  
namatad:

farkIT, I am becoming a lawyer so I will be safe talking to people.

You know what they say about lawyers who are their own client.
 
2014-02-01 12:40:49 PM  
She's hot, but I would insist on locking up the knives before things get really weird.  I mean honestly, you should do these things with every new person you meet.
 
2014-02-01 01:55:50 PM  
Giuliano Mignini had previously prosecuted the "Monster of Florence" serial killer case and became convinced that it was a masonic conspiracy. His case came to nothing. Mignini was later convicted of illegally tapping the phones of various police and reporters connected to the Florence case, and was given a 16-month suspended sentence.

Oh, he didn't prosecute the Mostro case*, he was investigating the drowning of a doctor in Lake Trasimene which occurred in the 80s. He linked the case to the Florence murders because he believed a Satanic cult was involved. He had reporter Mario Spezi arrested for being a part of this Satanic cult, because, among other things, Spezi owned this:
www.florencewebguide.com
A Satanic object. Or a traditional Tuscan doorstop. Same thing. A similar stone was found at one of the Monster's crime scenes.

Mignini sees Satan in everything.

*He might as well have done it. The man who was tried for the Monster's crimes was an 80-something year old man with a heart condition, who they alleged managed to sprint after the last male victim, a runner.
 
2014-02-01 02:05:55 PM  
People who mistakenly think the US system is better are fools.

Personally I expected this, but that means nothing. The problem is not that Italy's system is corrupt. It's that there isn't really a less corrupt system.
 
2014-02-01 03:18:38 PM  
Wasn't it an Italian court that convicted some scientists for not predicting an earthquake, or something silly along those lines?
 
2014-02-01 03:31:39 PM  

incendi: Wasn't it an Italian court that convicted some scientists for not predicting an earthquake, or something silly along those lines?


Si, certo. Grazie Obama...
 
2014-02-01 03:34:18 PM  
serialkillersink.net
Geraldo covered this stuff 30 years ago.
 
2014-02-01 03:35:11 PM  
A good argument.. except for the dead body.... and the fact that the skank did it.
 
2014-02-01 03:35:46 PM  
Knox's warden said that she didn't show remorse. Called her an Ice Maiden.  Do innocent people show remorse? And maybe the reason she didn't fall apart in jail is that she had hope that she would be found innocent.

I wonder how many innocents Knox's warden thinks are in her jail.

Zero?

Because justice is perfect, right?

Right.
 
2014-02-01 03:35:53 PM  
They may be corrupt or crazy... but at least they can get a conviction.  What would have happened if OJ, Casey Anthony, or ZImmerman were tried in Italy?  A lot less clicks for Fark, that's what.
 
2014-02-01 03:39:55 PM  

karmaceutical: They may be corrupt or crazy... but at least they can get a conviction.  What would have happened if OJ, Casey Anthony, or ZImmerman were tried in Italy?  A lot less clicks for Fark, that's what.


So what you're saying is that Nancy Grace should move to Italy? I fully support that idea.
 
2014-02-01 03:40:04 PM  

mrlewish: A good argument.. except for the dead body.... and the fact that the skank did it.


You mean the dead body that another man was convicted of killing? And that no evidence actually points to Knox having done it?
 
2014-02-01 03:40:40 PM  
If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this
 
2014-02-01 03:42:27 PM  
american justice is the best in the world and all other jurisdictions are evil and or corrupt, especially of they convict pretty white american girls

/coughGitmocough
 
2014-02-01 03:42:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.



Sure, I think we can all agree to this. And their point is?
 
2014-02-01 03:43:54 PM  
I stayed away from this story for years because it looked like tabloid crap.  Finally did some reading about the details and holy crap, how could anyone conclude she and her boyfriend had anything to do with it?  This wouldn't even be brought before a grand jury in the US.  There's simply no evidence, just fantasy and prosecutorial misconduct.

And yet news accounts are still written with horribly misleading bits like "she said she was at the apartment covering her ears so she wouldn't hear the screams".  Basically they interrogated her Frank Pembleton style and got her to "imagine" how it might have gone down with her there.
 
2014-02-01 03:47:40 PM  
I'd represent her pro boner.
 
2014-02-01 03:47:59 PM  
Amanda Knox and her boyfriend are extremely good suspects in the murder case.  They may have actually even done it.  That said, there is a big gulf between reasonable suspicion, which the Italians do have in this case, and actual damning evidence that shows she is guilty, which they seem to be missing.

From our own ethics, on this side of the pond, there exist things like, reasonable doubt, double jeopardy, and prosecution ethics, that do not seem to be universal in regards to the Italian system.  If she actually did play a hand in her room mates death, than I wish to hell that the Italians could have done a better job establishing that guilt.  If she truly innocent, then I wish they would leave her in peace.
 
2014-02-01 03:48:43 PM  
I will take "innocent until proven guilty" and "government prohibited from proven double jeopardy" over Italian justice. I don't understand how this can happen here, or the arguments in that regard in this thread.
 
2014-02-01 03:48:56 PM  

Bacontastesgood: I stayed away from this story for years because it looked like tabloid crap.  Finally did some reading about the details and holy crap, how could anyone conclude she and her boyfriend had anything to do with it?  This wouldn't even be brought before a grand jury in the US.  There's simply no evidence, just fantasy and prosecutorial misconduct.

And yet news accounts are still written with horribly misleading bits like "she said she was at the apartment covering her ears so she wouldn't hear the screams".  Basically they interrogated her Frank Pembleton style and got her to "imagine" how it might have gone down with her there.


Pretty much this.  Hers is easily one of the top 10 cases of prosecutorial & judicial misconduct I've seen.
 
2014-02-01 03:49:09 PM  
Didn't an italian guy already confess and cop a plea and go to jail for this? Doesn't that sort of prove that Amanda Knox is being tried simply because "fark the american"?
 
2014-02-01 03:49:19 PM  
She is, however, guilty if ignoring my hundreds of letters.
 
2014-02-01 03:49:39 PM  
"This, of course, would never happen in a U.S. court, where the Constitution forbids suspects from being repeatedly retried."


Well this is clearly a well researched article...

/it's the same trial, she was previously found "Guilty: Pending appeal" and "Acquitted: Pending appeal. She's currently "Guilty: pending appeal".
//it has multiple levels of appeal... it's the same trial.
///there's one layer of appeal left. She still hasn't been declared guilty/not guilty in finality.
////it's like saying the verdict and sentencing are "separate trials" just because the US does them separately. They aren't and no-one in the US would consider them to be, just like few in Italy would consider these separate trials.
 
2014-02-01 03:50:59 PM  

Kit Fister: Didn't an italian guy already confess and cop a plea and go to jail for this? Doesn't that sort of prove that Amanda Knox is being tried simply because "fark the american"?


There was an Italian guy caught and confessed to it already.

 He changed his story to one of conspiracy that implicated Amanda Knox as his partner in crime when they offered him a reduced sentence in exchange for such testimony.
 
2014-02-01 03:51:20 PM  
She is totally guilty.
 
2014-02-01 03:51:47 PM  

doglover: People who mistakenly think the US system is better are fools.

Personally I expected this, but that means nothing. The problem is not that Italy's system is corrupt. It's that there isn't really a less corrupt system.



Yes, but people who correctly think the US system is better are better informed and certainly much smarter than people who think the US justice system is worse than it is in Italy.
 
2014-02-01 03:53:00 PM  
Amanda Knox is only guilty of being an American. They let gangsters who murder toddlers run amok, but try to frame US college students. A picture of Italy should be next to the word corruption in the dictionary.
 
2014-02-01 03:55:00 PM  

Kit Fister: Didn't an italian guy already confess and cop a plea and go to jail for this? Doesn't that sort of prove that Amanda Knox is being tried simply because "fark the american"?


There was a man linked by DNA to the case: Rudy Guede (not Italian though, Ivoirian raised in Perugia).
 
2014-02-01 03:55:21 PM  

Kiwimann: Kit Fister: Didn't an italian guy already confess and cop a plea and go to jail for this? Doesn't that sort of prove that Amanda Knox is being tried simply because "fark the american"?

There was an Italian guy caught and confessed to it already.

 He changed his story to one of conspiracy that implicated Amanda Knox as his partner in crime when they offered him a reduced sentence in exchange for such testimony.


Ah, I see. "well give you a reduced sentence if you agree to implicate the american."
 
2014-02-01 03:56:50 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Amanda Knox and her boyfriend are extremely good suspects in the murder case.  They may have actually even done it.  That said, there is a big gulf between reasonable suspicion, which the Italians do have in this case, and actual damning evidence that shows she is guilty, which they seem to be missing.

From our own ethics, on this side of the pond, there exist things like, reasonable doubt, double jeopardy, and prosecution ethics, that do not seem to be universal in regards to the Italian system.  If she actually did play a hand in her room mates death, than I wish to hell that the Italians could have done a better job establishing that guilt.  If she truly innocent, then I wish they would leave her in peace.



They may have had reasonable suspicion initially but that suspicion is no longer valid as no physical evidence against them exists.
 
2014-02-01 03:57:43 PM  

incendi: Wasn't it an Italian court that convicted some scientists for not predicting an earthquake, or something silly along those lines?


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/28/science/la-sci-sn-italy-eart hq uake-forecast-prison-20130926
 
2014-02-01 03:58:27 PM  
I'm just glad we live in a country where innocent people never get locked up. It give us plenty of time to focus on corruption in other countries. But seriously, she cut her hair and doesn't look as good, why do we care now?
 
2014-02-01 03:59:39 PM  

"If I was president, everyone on death row would be dead"rockchicago.net

"If 2 out of 3 people say you did it, that's good enough for me"

 
2014-02-01 03:59:51 PM  

karmaceutical: They may be corrupt or crazy... but at least they can get a conviction.  What would have happened if OJ, Casey Anthony, or ZImmerman were tried in Italy?  A lot less clicks for Fark, that's what.


It convicts both types of people, country and western innocent and guilty.
 
2014-02-01 04:02:25 PM  
 
2014-02-01 04:02:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this


Nonsense, I've never seen or heard anything like that, except in Youtube comments. While I don't read tabloids, and I suggest you stop, I don't know a single person who thinks Knox did it, and pretty much everyone is supportive of her and thinks the Italian system is wrong.

It would sadden me if I was in the minority.
 
2014-02-01 04:05:39 PM  

Kiwimann: Kit Fister: Didn't an italian guy already confess and cop a plea and go to jail for this? Doesn't that sort of prove that Amanda Knox is being tried simply because "fark the american"?

There was an Italian guy caught and confessed to it already.

 He changed his story to one of conspiracy that implicated Amanda Knox as his partner in crime when they offered him a reduced sentence in exchange for such testimony.


Yes, the basics of the case are the murderer was caught a few days after the murder, and justice was done. Then crazy prosecutor gets involved in another case, sees satanists everywhere as he regularly does and the murderers sentence is reduced in order for lots of newspapers to sell lots of copies based on his insane ravings.
 
2014-02-01 04:07:07 PM  

Kit Fister: Kiwimann: Kit Fister: Didn't an italian guy already confess and cop a plea and go to jail for this? Doesn't that sort of prove that Amanda Knox is being tried simply because "fark the american"?

There was an Italian guy caught and confessed to it already.

 He changed his story to one of conspiracy that implicated Amanda Knox as his partner in crime when they offered him a reduced sentence in exchange for such testimony.

Ah, I see. "well give you a reduced sentence if you agree to implicate the american."


"You think you'd like to play ball with the law?"
 
2014-02-01 04:09:16 PM  

Slaxl: Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this

Nonsense, I've never seen or heard anything like that, except in Youtube comments. While I don't read tabloids, and I suggest you stop, I don't know a single person who thinks Knox did it, and pretty much everyone is supportive of her and thinks the Italian system is wrong.

It would sadden me if I was in the minority.


Well, let's be honest, you're likely an upper-middle class, educated person with educated friends.  If you were the kind of person who reads the Daily Fail to get the latest on Foxy Knoxy and Wacko Jacko, you might have friends who do think that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549764/Amanda-Knox-extradit io n-attempts-doomed-fail-say-diplomats.html
 
2014-02-01 04:12:00 PM  

Slaxl: Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this

Nonsense, I've never seen or heard anything like that, except in Youtube comments. While I don't read tabloids, and I suggest you stop, I don't know a single person who thinks Knox did it, and pretty much everyone is supportive of her and thinks the Italian system is wrong.

It would sadden me if I was in the minority.


And I'll add, none of my friends think the Muslims are going to establish Sharia Law in America, but it's apparently a legitimate concern among some of the people in places like Kansas and Tennessee as evidenced by the attempts of some of those area's lawmakers.
 
2014-02-01 04:12:09 PM  
Correct State Department response "No, we're not going to turn over an American citizen to a crazy prosecutor, but we have plenty of JDAMs, would a JDAM work for him? What's the GPS for his office?"
 
2014-02-01 04:12:27 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Doktor_Zhivago: If a US appeals court declares you get a new trial during your appeals process you get a new trial. There's not really a difference here.

Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.


But the family of the victim can sue in civil court, and if the State doesn't get a conviction, the Feds can try the case (and vice versa).
 
2014-02-01 04:16:39 PM  

Slaxl: Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this

Nonsense, I've never seen or heard anything like that, except in Youtube comments. While I don't read tabloids, and I suggest you stop, I don't know a single person who thinks Knox did it, and pretty much everyone is supportive of her and thinks the Italian system is wrong.

It would sadden me if I was in the minority.


You're not in a minority. What tabloids print and what people really think are usually poles apart. I've not heard anyone say they think she's guilty, but an awful lot who think the Italian justice system needs a boot up the arse.
 
2014-02-01 04:16:57 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Gecko Gingrich: Doktor_Zhivago: If a US appeals court declares you get a new trial during your appeals process you get a new trial. There's not really a difference here.

Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.

But the family of the victim can sue in civil court, and if the State doesn't get a conviction, the Feds can try the case (and vice versa).


Negative. They can try on different charges, but not the same one.
 
2014-02-01 04:18:38 PM  
I cannot remember the name of the author, but one mentioned he was writing about a crime that had happened recently in Italy, and after doing some research went to interview the local prosecutor, who decided that this American who knew so much about the crime must be a suspect and threatened to have him held.
 
2014-02-01 04:20:34 PM  

Torok: <strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8125460/89047279#c89047279" target="_blank">Some Coke Drinking Guy</a>:</strong> <em>Amanda Knox and her boyfriend are extremely good suspects in the murder case.  They may have actually even done it.  That said, there is a big gulf between reasonable suspicion, which the Italians do have in this case, and actual damning evidence that shows she is guilty, which they seem to be missing.

From our own ethics, on this side of the pond, there exist things like, reasonable doubt, double jeopardy, and prosecution ethics, that do not seem to be universal in regards to the Italian system.  If she actually did play a hand in her room mates death, than I wish to hell that the Italians could have done a better job establishing that guilt.  If she truly innocent, then I wish they would leave her in peace.</em>


They may have had reasonable suspicion initially but that suspicion is no longer valid as no physical evidence against them exists.


idk her ex-boyfiend style choices are questionable. Has a jeffrey dahmer vibe to it.
 
2014-02-01 04:23:25 PM  
If you think the U.S. media is batstink crazy, check out the Italian papers sometime. We returned from a month in Campania a few weeks ago, and so far, this place appears normal to me.

/won't last
 
2014-02-01 04:26:18 PM  

rico567: you think the U.S. media is batstink crazy, check out the Italian papers sometime. We returned from a month in Campania a few weeks ago, and so far, this place appears normal to me.


Italy is the Florida of Europe.
 
2014-02-01 04:29:50 PM  
People.  Slate Magazine is writing an article that basically agrees with the U-S-A U-S-A crowd.  If that doesn't convince you how bad their case is, I don't know what will.
 
2014-02-01 04:30:26 PM  

BalugaJoe: She is totally guilty.


She's only guilty of being guilty.
 
2014-02-01 04:32:42 PM  

ultraholland: I'd represent her pro boner.


Ipsi dicks it!
 
2014-02-01 04:33:17 PM  

namatad: AND never ever talk to the health people about HIV without a lawyer.


Okay, I'll ask. Why not?
 
2014-02-01 04:35:20 PM  
So, here's what I learnt from the Amanda Knox trail.

Hot white girl gets screwed by a corrupt justice system. Endless media panic.

Millions of mainly poor, mainly non-white men languish in US prisons, screwed by a corrupt justice system. *crickets*
 
2014-02-01 04:35:56 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: FTA: "This, of course, would never happen in a U.S. court, where the Constitution forbids suspects from being repeatedly retried. "

Wut

If a US appeals court declares you get a new trial during your appeals process you get a new trial. There's not really a difference here.


Gotta love average people. The only people more clueless about reality are reporters: they feel that they can print anything and it magically becomes truth for everyone everywhere.
 
2014-02-01 04:36:15 PM  

Bad_Seed: So, here's what I learnt from the Amanda Knox trail.

Hot white girl gets screwed by a corrupt justice system. Endless media panic.

Millions of mainly poor, mainly non-white men languish in US prisons, screwed by a corrupt justice system. *crickets*


Pretty much.
 
2014-02-01 04:36:27 PM  

Bad_Seed: Millions of mainly poor, mainly non-white men languish in US prisons, screwed by a corrupt justice system. *crickets*


Well, a certain percentage of those millions, anyway.
 
2014-02-01 04:38:39 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
Ummm... OK, not guilty
 
2014-02-01 04:40:50 PM  

uncoveror: Amanda Knox is only guilty of being an American. They let gangsters who murder toddlers run amok, but try to frame US college students. A picture of Italy should be next to the word corruption in the dictionary.


Poor Raffaele Sollecito. Not only does he not have a foreign country to hide in, he doesn't even make it into the narrative.
 
2014-02-01 04:41:38 PM  

Bacontastesgood: I stayed away from this story for years because it looked like tabloid crap.  Finally did some reading about the details and holy crap, how could anyone conclude she and her boyfriend had anything to do with it?  This wouldn't even be brought before a grand jury in the US.  There's simply no evidence, just fantasy and prosecutorial misconduct.

And yet news accounts are still written with horribly misleading bits like "she said she was at the apartment covering her ears so she wouldn't hear the screams".  Basically they interrogated her Frank Pembleton style and got her to "imagine" how it might have gone down with her there.


The guy who actually killed the roommate has been caught and convicted and is serving his (ridiculously light) sentence for it, but because Knox and her boyfriend kissed in public and she didn't appear in black with a cloud of depression over her head the Italian media went insane. That the prosecutor himself is actually insane didn't help any.

Amanda Knox and her boyfriend had exactly *zero* to do with the crime, and she simply needs to never step foot out of America again. The boyfriend, as an Italian citizen, is farked.
 
2014-02-01 04:43:50 PM  

ultraholland: I'd represent her pro boner.


And all that dirty Satan talk, and speaking in tongues, and basically getting as freaky deaky as you want is pretty much bonus across the board.
 
2014-02-01 04:45:27 PM  
All you gots to do is take a nice drive out in the beautiful Tuscan hills amidst the rolling green lush meadows, hand crafted artisan cheeses and wines and dodge all the Eastern European prostitutes lining the roadsides .. out in the beautiful Tuscan hills, nearly literally throwing their wares at you and  understand some twisted old f*ck of an Italian is beating them regularly for not bringing back enough Lira every day. Those Eastern European girls didn't just magically appear  right there. Someone forced them there. Someone protects the investment. And some decrepit Italian f*ck is cosy with the right highly placed Italian old f*ck magistrates to avoid having his whore-business ruined.

Beautiful breath taking country.

Lined with hookers. And the Italian 'Just-Us' system of corrupt magistrates look the other way for that, but let's toss away the key for Amanda Knox?

Uh-huh
 
2014-02-01 04:46:02 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Slaxl: Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this

Nonsense, I've never seen or heard anything like that, except in Youtube comments. While I don't read tabloids, and I suggest you stop, I don't know a single person who thinks Knox did it, and pretty much everyone is supportive of her and thinks the Italian system is wrong.

It would sadden me if I was in the minority.

And I'll add, none of my friends think the Muslims are going to establish Sharia Law in America, but it's apparently a legitimate concern among some of the people in places like Kansas and Tennessee as evidenced by the attempts of some of those area's lawmakers.


No, those area's lawmakers are just pandering to the lowest of the low, the far-right of the right-wingers.  Upon election campaign time, they will use the law they passed in several ways.
1. Flat out pointing to the blacks and telling their white constituents they are saving them from the muslims, who are taking over their country
2. Pointing to the latinos and telling their black constituents they are keeping the immigrants out of the country, away from the jobs they hold.  Not recognizing the irony, either
3. pointing to the white people and telling them the incursion of muslims are rampant and must be stopped at all costs.

then they'll skip over Lawrence KS entirely, because the average education level is much higher there, and the Democrats are in charge of most of the councils

lived there for years: friend made a tshirt that had the state on it, colored red for republican and blue for Dems, with the 2nd Bush "victory" results by county.  The Douglas county(Lawrence, basically) was the lone blue spot in the entire state.
 
2014-02-01 04:49:16 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: All you gots to do is take a nice drive out in the beautiful Tuscan hills amidst the rolling green lush meadows, hand crafted artisan cheeses and wines and dodge all the Eastern European prostitutes lining the roadsides .. out in the beautiful Tuscan hills, nearly literally throwing their wares at you and understand some twisted old f*ck of an Italian Albanian is beating them regularly for not bringing back enough Lira Euros every day. Those Eastern European girls didn't just magically appear right there. Someone forced them there. Someone protects the investment. And some decrepit Italian f*ck is cosy with the right highly placed Italian old f*ck magistrates to avoid having his whore-business ruined.


FTFY.

Prostitution is not illegal in Italy. And proving trafficking charges is a biatch. The girls hardly ever cooperate with the police.
 
2014-02-01 04:49:28 PM  

vpb: The problem is that there was no evidence.  The prosecution even had a totally new theory of what happened.  This case sounds like something out of Texas.


I'm sitting in Texas currently waiting for my connecting flight. This entire case is bizarre to me and, the legal system no matter where you are is Farked.
I can't get out of here soon enough.

/ex is from Texas
 
2014-02-01 04:49:48 PM  
Knox is probably innocent. She also tried to throw that bartender under the bus to save herself. So I have difficulty mustering sympathy for her.
 
2014-02-01 04:50:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [serialkillersink.net image 390x229]
Geraldo covered this stuff 30 years ago.


nostalgiad hard
 
2014-02-01 04:56:07 PM  

snorkblaster: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x528]
Ummm... OK, not guilty


She needs to be punished in some manner.  Bring her to me, I've got some ideas.  Don't worry, I'll be firm, but gentle.
 
2014-02-01 04:59:34 PM  
Help me. I agreed with a Slate article.

I feel dirty.
 
2014-02-01 05:02:34 PM  

Oblio13: Knox is probably innocent. She also tried to throw that bartender under the bus to save herself. So I have difficulty mustering sympathy for her.


I don't have a problem being sympathetic. It's not like she just waltzed in and decided to say "Hey, it was him!" for fun. She was being screamed at and interrogated about the message she'd texted to the bar owner, the police were insisting that he must be involved, until she finally repeated their story back to them. Later, of course, it turned out there were a bunch of witnesses to his being somewhere else and it became Knox's fault that she let herself be bullied into repeating the police's story. (Admittedly, this is Knox's version -- but having been slapped around by European police myself when they decided that I was "lying" about what I was doing and were going to scream and hit the "truth" out of me, I believe it. Furthermore, the interview was mysteriously not taped, although their own rules said it should have been).

This is one of the many things that drives me nuts about the Knox case -- the "she framed the bar owner", or, to make it extra bad, "she tried to frame a black guy for it." Here's the thing. If Knox is innocent, and she decided totally of her own volition to frame the bar owner, that would be a scummy thing to do. HOWEVER, she has already served several years in jail, three of which were for her "calumny" of the guy. She's paid for it. If, however, she was guilty and wanted to do a Susan Smith and throw the blame on a black guy -- why in the name of heaven would she not tell them about the actual black guy, Rudy Guede, who was there and whose DNA was flooding the place and was also inside Meredith's body? Why would she feel such a strong need to protect this guy she barely knew that she would never so much as mention his name? The answer isn't hard to figure out -- she wasn't there, and she didn't know.

/apologies for the rant, but I keep seeing this "she tried to frame someone" thing and it's so divorced from the context that it becomes meaningless.
 
2014-02-01 05:04:37 PM  
Hat tip to Giant Clown Shoe /strong> who posted this in the other thread.

Better reasons why she's not guilty: http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html
 
2014-02-01 05:05:06 PM  
Well, there might be a Fark thread every time she's either acquitted or convicted, but if she ever does porn, it'll be a ball.
 
2014-02-01 05:13:19 PM  
RenownedCurator: She's paid for it.

Amanda Knox wrote a book about her travails.  If it made any money, Patrice Lumumba should get it.
 
2014-02-01 05:14:13 PM  

Autistic Hiker: RenownedCurator: She's paid for it.

Amanda Knox wrote a book about her travails.  If it made any money, Patrice Lumumba should get it.


He doesn't need the money, he's dead. The CIA killed him.
 
2014-02-01 05:22:03 PM  
-At times like this- one could wish for a truth serum interview, or a good lie detector series.
Many people have said she looks/acts guilty.... in subsequent interviews on tv.
Why doesn't she volunteer for lie detector & settle this??

there are a lot of people in the us who are doing time for murder, because they were present in the car, in the room, etc, assisting , covering evidence, etc.

Something about the charges may have been lost in translation or journalistic frenzy.
it is possible the the couple were considered guilty, not for actually wielding the knife, but setting up and participating in the scenario that enabled or caused guede to kill her; wrestling her into submission? plying her with drugs, or other pressure.

Only A can tell us, Mr S. is unlikely to, being captive, he could get a life sentence if he told all.
 
2014-02-01 05:32:21 PM  

Boojum2k: Correct State Department response "No, we're not going to turn over an American citizen to a crazy prosecutor, but we have plenty of JDAMs, would a JDAM work for him? What's the GPS for his office?"


Nor should they even if the Italian justice system was Sane,  It's one thing to extradite an Italian citizen found hiding in this country.  But the US has a duty to protect its own citizens from foreign governments.
 
2014-02-01 05:35:35 PM  
She's got a really guilty looking face. I think she did it.  In fact, I think she also burned down the banana stand.


T-Bone, do you think she burned down the banana stand?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-01 05:38:36 PM  

Oblio13: Knox is probably innocent. She also tried to throw that bartender under the bus to save herself. So I have difficulty mustering sympathy for her.



She was convicted, sentenced and served her time for telling that lie about the bartender. Why are you unsympathetic to her being charged with a murder she did not commit in addition to what she was already punished for?
 
2014-02-01 05:38:57 PM  

Bad_Seed: Autistic Hiker: RenownedCurator: She's paid for it.

Amanda Knox wrote a book about her travails.  If it made any money, Patrice Lumumba should get it.

He doesn't need the money, he's dead. The CIA killed him.


Oops, so they did.  I meant  PatrickLumumba.
 
2014-02-01 05:44:52 PM  

JSTACAT: -At times like this- one could wish for a truth serum interview, or a good lie detector series.
Many people have said she looks/acts guilty.... in subsequent interviews on tv.
Why doesn't she volunteer for lie detector & settle this??

there are a lot of people in the us who are doing time for murder, because they were present in the car, in the room, etc, assisting , covering evidence, etc.

Something about the charges may have been lost in translation or journalistic frenzy.
it is possible the the couple were considered guilty, not for actually wielding the knife, but setting up and participating in the scenario that enabled or caused guede to kill her; wrestling her into submission? plying her with drugs, or other pressure.

Only A can tell us, Mr S. is unlikely to, being captive, he could get a life sentence if he told all.



Just how accurate do you think a lie detector test is?
 
2014-02-01 05:44:57 PM  
debutante goes to europe, proceeds to get her freak on, with the assumption that what happens in italy stays in italy, but it's all fun and games until the gimp dies

i haven't seen the interview with good morning america, so i'm curious if she uses the phrase "ahm uhh vick tim" with equal emphasis on all four syllables in the jerry springer / maury povich style
 
2014-02-01 05:46:30 PM  

serialsuicidebomber: Well, there might be a Fark thread every time she's either acquitted or convicted, but if she ever does porn, it'll be a ball.


Well, the way the Italian justice system works, that could be 30 or 40 more threads.
 
2014-02-01 05:47:45 PM  
Threaten to close a few military bases in Italy. The local economies where they are located would collapse.

/I'm all for closing those bases without even considering the Knox case
 
2014-02-01 05:53:31 PM  
JSTACAT: -At times like this- one could wish for a truth serum interview, or a good lie detector series.
Many people have said she looks/acts guilty.... in subsequent interviews on tv.
Why doesn't she volunteer for lie detector & settle this??


1) They don't say she looks guilty, they say she shows no remorse. It's kinda hard to be remorseful for something you didn't do.
2) Polygraph tests aren't very effective. They wouldn't change anyone's opinion on the matter either. George Zimmerman passed two polygraph tests about Trayvon Martin, swaying precisely zero people.
3) None of this is necessary. No evidence points to her.
 
2014-02-01 06:09:24 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Lira

?

che cosa sono Lira ?


Prostitution may be illegal in (some states) of your godawful country, but it's legal in much of Europe, including Italy
 
2014-02-01 06:20:00 PM  
Whoa-oh here she comes, watch out, boy, she'll chew you up...
 
2014-02-01 06:20:19 PM  
Spiralmonkey:

You're not in a minority. What tabloids print and what people really think are usually poles apart. I've not heard anyone say they think she's guilty,

I think she's guilty.
 
2014-02-01 06:26:01 PM  

worlddan: Spiralmonkey:

You're not in a minority. What tabloids print and what people really think are usually poles apart. I've not heard anyone say they think she's guilty,

I think she's guilty.


You're an idiot
 
2014-02-01 06:37:01 PM  
You're....you're...you're an ICECUBE.
 
2014-02-01 06:40:22 PM  

worlddan: You're....you're...you're an ICECUBE.


Ooooooooh you freezer burned him!
 
2014-02-01 06:42:21 PM  
Doesn't matter, she is still super hot.
 
2014-02-01 06:46:09 PM  
Until Amanda Knox is extradited, mail for American soldiers in Italy is being held hostage!

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-begins-charging-taxes-and-duties-o n- us-military-mail-1.264743
 
2014-02-01 06:49:00 PM  

phrawgh: Until Amanda Knox is extradited, mail for American soldiers in Italy is being held hostage!

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-begins-charging-taxes-and-duties-o n- us-military-mail-1.264743


Close the bases, bring them home. That way Italy isn't incurring those expenses that are suddenly requiring a tax.
 
2014-02-01 06:51:06 PM  

phrawgh: Until Amanda Knox is extradited, mail for American soldiers in Italy is being held hostage!

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-begins-charging-taxes-and-duties-o n- us-military-mail-1.264743

Deeesa cry-sus!!!     (I am so sorry)

apexfanproductions.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-01 06:52:28 PM  

walktoanarcade: phrawgh: Until Amanda Knox is extradited, mail for American soldiers in Italy is being held hostage!

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-begins-charging-taxes-and-duties-o n- us-military-mail-1.264743 Deeesa cry-sus!!!     (I am so sorry)

[apexfanproductions.files.wordpress.com image 732x412]


I don't like you much at all, but that was kinda funny.
 
2014-02-01 06:53:32 PM  

Boojum2k: walktoanarcade: phrawgh: Until Amanda Knox is extradited, mail for American soldiers in Italy is being held hostage!

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-begins-charging-taxes-and-duties-o n- us-military-mail-1.264743 Deeesa cry-sus!!!     (I am so sorry)

[apexfanproductions.files.wordpress.com image 732x412]

I don't like you much at all, but that was kinda funny.


Well, it's a start! :)
 
2014-02-01 07:08:16 PM  

Boojum2k: phrawgh: Until Amanda Knox is extradited, mail for American soldiers in Italy is being held hostage!

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-begins-charging-taxes-and-duties-o n- us-military-mail-1.264743

Close the bases, bring them home. That way Italy isn't incurring those expenses that are suddenly requiring a tax.


Are you kidding. That's a lot of plane tickets versus just one in the other direction.

Just so you all understand the seriousness of this fiasco,
Mailed items that could be taxed:

Roasted ground coffee and surrogates.
Master keys and utensils for combination locks
Plants and soil
Lottery tickets of any kind.
Slot machines or parts thereof
Albums of any kind (for photographs, postcards, stamps, etc.)
Artificial fruit and flowers and accessories for the same
Bells and other musical instruments and parts thereof.
Capsules and cartridges
Clocks and watches supplies
Coins, banknotes and paper values
Corals mounted of any kind.
Ether and chloroform
Photographic and cinematographic films exposed
Footwear of all kinds
Apparel and sewn clothing of every kind.
Hair and hair product
Products in leather
Nutmeg, vanilla, sea salt, mineral salt and saffron
Playing cards of any type
Postage stamps in letters open or closed
Typewriter Ribbons
Saccharine
Salted meat, smoked, or otherwise prepared
Toys which are not exclusively made of wood
Skins and furs, treated
 
2014-02-01 07:09:13 PM  

a21ozcoldcup: Doesn't matter, she is still super hot.


I don't get the attraction. Don't get me wrong she's not hideous, but there's something "off" about her face that I can't pin down.
 
2014-02-01 07:16:59 PM  

phrawgh: That's a lot of plane tickets versus just one in the other direction.


We'd save money on operating costs for those bases, so we'd win out in the short and long term.
 
2014-02-01 07:20:51 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Well, let's be honest, you're likely an upper-middle class, educated person with educated friends


That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me.
 
2014-02-01 07:33:27 PM  

Boojum2k: phrawgh: That's a lot of plane tickets versus just one in the other direction.

We'd save money on operating costs for those bases, so we'd win out in the short and long term.


The military has a particular skill at making base closures and consolidations phenomenally expensive.
 
2014-02-01 07:35:08 PM  

OgreMagi: Threaten to close a few military bases in Italy. The local economies where they are located would collapse.

/I'm all for closing those bases without even considering the Knox case


Just Italy, or overseas bases in particular?

/Italy is a coveted assignment, despite the mafia polluted groundwater...
 
2014-02-01 07:38:18 PM  
Thank god the US government can't appeal a "not guilty" verdict. Our system has myriad problems, but at least that horror is not one.
 
2014-02-01 07:58:06 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Gecko Gingrich: Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.

I was referring the idea in the article that people in the US somehow never get retried after an appeal. The whole purpose of appealing a guilty verdict is usually to get a new trial as appeals courts don't usually just throw out verdicts and let you walk free

The italian court system is still retarded.


The best outcome of an appeal, for the appellant, is for the appellate court to vacate the trial court's decision, not for it to remand the appeal back down to the trial court. When the decision is vacated, then yes, the appellant walks.

Did you get your law-talkin' degree from Hollywood Upstairs Law School?
 
2014-02-01 08:00:56 PM  

95BV5: Doktor_Zhivago: Gecko Gingrich: Yes. *You* can appeal your guilty verdict. *The Government* cannot appeal your innocent verdict.

I was referring the idea in the article that people in the US somehow never get retried after an appeal. The whole purpose of appealing a guilty verdict is usually to get a new trial as appeals courts don't usually just throw out verdicts and let you walk free

The italian court system is still retarded.

The best outcome of an appeal, for the appellant, is for the appellate court to vacate the trial court's decision, not for it to remand the appeal back down to the trial court. When the decision is vacated, then yes, the appellant walks.

Did you get your law-talkin' degree from Hollywood Upstairs Law School?


No,

padresteve.files.wordpress.com
Denny Crane
 
2014-02-01 08:22:13 PM  
The truly scary thing is that this is the kind of thing that happens to poor people and minorities in the US, but not to white people. The fact that Italy's justice system is equal-opportunity unfair rather than just anti-minority and anti-poor unfair is rather startling to me as a middle-class white American. Remind me to stay away from Italy.
 
2014-02-01 08:22:25 PM  

Voiceofreason01: no, the Italian justice system is hopelessly corrupt. There's a difference.


i1211.photobucket.com

I enjoyed the article, it's clear she's innocent, especially since they already have someone in custody. Fark Italy.
 
2014-02-01 08:31:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this


This, coming from the folks whose country used to "run the whole world", is rather ironic.


/ and furthermore, dentistry
 
2014-02-01 08:41:00 PM  
"This part of the Knox story-that she was a pretty, unapologetic party girl-seems to have worked against Knox from the start, even though it has nothing to do with the case. "

No shiat? Of course it did. How does anyone think otherwise? That's how our world works--if you're female, you can win a Nobel Peace Prize and the announcer will bring up that you kissed a boy in high school you aren't married to. Was this a surprise to someone?
 
2014-02-01 08:51:02 PM  
Stupid girl goes to Italy and acts like it's a giant Disney Small World amusement park and gets burned when she chooses her company poorly. Coulda been worse.

But the Italians have farked the dog on this.
They need to give it a rest.
 
2014-02-01 08:53:57 PM  

Autistic Hiker: RenownedCurator: She's paid for it.

Amanda Knox wrote a book about her travails.  If it made any money, Patrice Lumumba should get it.


If anyone owes Lumumba anything, it's the police who badgered and yelled at Knox until she "confessed" to his involvement. They're the ones who farked him over, not her. Whatever she's made on her book, I doubt it will cover the legal bills which, thanks to this idiotic reversal, are still going to be coming in for a while.
 
2014-02-01 09:25:47 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: The truly scary thing is that this is the kind of thing that happens to poor people and minorities in the US, but not to white people. The fact that Italy's justice system is equal-opportunity unfair rather than just anti-minority and anti-poor unfair is rather startling to me as a middle-class white American. Remind me to stay away from Italy.


If you can point me to one recent case where a poor and/or minority defendant was found not-guilty in a criminal case, and the state appealed the verdict, I'll eat the entire opinion with cream cheese.

Please bear in mind the following:

1. Being found not-guilty in a criminal case and then being taken to court in a CIVIL case on related facts is not the same thing;
2. Being fount not-guilty in state court and then being charged in FEDERAL court on related facts is not the same thing;
3. A plaintiff in a civil case has the option of appealing the verdict in a civil case, which is not the same thing.
 
2014-02-01 09:28:54 PM  
If the Italians go for extradition, this could be fun.
 
2014-02-01 10:09:33 PM  

Bungles: "This, of course, would never happen in a U.S. court, where the Constitution forbids suspects from being repeatedly retried."


Well this is clearly a well researched article...

/it's the same trial, she was previously found "Guilty: Pending appeal" and "Acquitted: Pending appeal. She's currently "Guilty: pending appeal".
//it has multiple levels of appeal... it's the same trial.
///there's one layer of appeal left. She still hasn't been declared guilty/not guilty in finality.
////it's like saying the verdict and sentencing are "separate trials" just because the US does them separately. They aren't and no-one in the US would consider them to be, just like few in Italy would consider these separate trials.


Except for the distinction that the "Acquitted" verdict was decided explicitly on the basis that the prosecution's case didn't come even remotely close to proving her guilt.  By explicitly, I mean that's the official reason given by the judge and the jury as to why they acquitted her.  In the US, if that happens then the case is done, dead, toast, kaput, never to return again.  The prosecution does not get a do-over (99% of the time) unless there was some procedural issue, and "our case sucked" is not a procedural issue.

In other words, the statement is not inaccurate.  In the US court system this case would have been done and over.


Boojum2k: I cannot remember the name of the author, but one mentioned he was writing about a crime that had happened recently in Italy, and after doing some research went to interview the local prosecutor, who decided that this American who knew so much about the crime must be a suspect and threatened to have him held.


Douglas Preston, and the book is called The Monster of Florence.

If I remember right, the prosecutor who did said threatening was involved in the Knox case as well.  Just in case you needed another reason to think the case is a load of bullshiat.

/Another possible reason: the prosecutor using the phrase "marijuana-fueled satanic orgy" with a straight face during the trial.
 
2014-02-01 10:24:22 PM  

yukichigai: Douglas Preston, and the book is called The Monster of Florence.


That was it. His article about it, plus the conviction of the scientists who failed to predict an earthquake made me realize that the Italian justice system is batshiat insane.
 
2014-02-01 10:35:39 PM  

aerojockey: People.  Slate Magazine is writing an article that basically agrees with the U-S-A U-S-A crowd.  If that doesn't convince you how bad their case is, I don't know what will.


This is actually more relevant than "I work her pro boner"

Amanda Knox is still being railroaded. The US would be committing treason if they sent her back to Italy
 
2014-02-01 10:37:23 PM  
I don't know that.  I've never been to Italy.
 
2014-02-01 10:40:49 PM  

o'really: OgreMagi: Threaten to close a few military bases in Italy. The local economies where they are located would collapse.

/I'm all for closing those bases without even considering the Knox case

Just Italy, or overseas bases in particular?

/Italy is a coveted assignment, despite the mafia polluted groundwater...


I want us to close most military bases around the world and that we stop being the world's police.   Europe had money to spend on their social programs because they didn't need a military because of our presence.  In other words, we paid for their stuff.  It's time they handled their own security because we are broke.  And the next time some asshole with a funny hat invades a country and they beg us for help, the first thing we should say is "what's in it for us?"

A few countries realize the value of our bases, and not just from a security standpoint.  Poland begged us to put a base in their country.  They knew how much of a boost to the local economy it would generate.  I think they charged us a dollar for the lease (not sure about that, though).
 
2014-02-02 12:15:07 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: karmaceutical: They may be corrupt or crazy... but at least they can get a conviction.  What would have happened if OJ, Casey Anthony, or ZImmerman were tried in Italy?  A lot less clicks for Fark, that's what.

It convicts both types of people, country and western innocent and guilty.


Well, they may convict a lot of innocent people, but at least their overzealous prosecution means that all the criminals in Italy are safely behind bars.
 
2014-02-02 12:25:53 AM  

Voiceofreason01: no, the Italian justice system is hopelessly corrupt. There's a difference.


I just assume that most people from the Mediterranean are only pseudo people. They have not innate sense of justice or fairness. Only self-interest and inbred family matters. fark them all. They are no better than Middle Easterners.
 
2014-02-02 01:05:04 AM  

El Dudereno: Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this

This, coming from the folks whose country used to "run the whole world", is rather ironic.


/ and furthermore, dentistry


Well, to be fair, Italy had their turn at running the whole world too. Well, the whole Western world - the technology didn't exist to rule much bigger than that under one leadership at the time.
 
2014-02-02 01:14:31 AM  
That's nothing, you should trying being in the Dominican Republic justice system.
 
jvl
2014-02-02 01:28:08 AM  

incendi: Wasn't it an Italian court that convicted some scientists for not predicting an earthquake, or something silly along those lines?


Not really. The scientists corruptly made a claim that there was no chance of an aftershock and everyone should back and live in the dangerous buildings.
 
2014-02-02 01:30:24 AM  

jvl: incendi: Wasn't it an Italian court that convicted some scientists for not predicting an earthquake, or something silly along those lines?

Not really. The scientists corruptly made a claim that there was no chance of an aftershock and everyone should back and live in the dangerous buildings.


That's a negative:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/italy-abruzzo-earthquake-s ci entist-trial/
 
2014-02-02 07:10:24 AM  
I find it hard to believe that you can live somewhere unawares that there's a dead body under the couch. For the rest I have no stick in this fire, but I must say I find it amusing to see how BFF's USA and the UK are at odds with each other over this. We get it, she's white and attractive. Lines must be drawn.
 
2014-02-02 07:29:46 AM  
I wish more of the news stories talked about Knox's timeline in Italy.  The prosecutions theory of what happened becomes even more insane once you realize how short of time Knox had actually been in Italy, how short of time her and Sollecito had been dating, and how little of a connection she had to Guede.

1. Knox went to Italy in September.  The murder happened lass than two months later on November 1st.
2. Knox and Sollecito started dating in October.  By some accounts they had only been together about one week when the murder happened.
3. Knox had no friendship or established communication with Guede.  She was introduced to Guede when he came to her flat to visit the two male roommates that lived with her and Kercher, but there's no evidence that she knew anything about Guede beyond such an introduction.

For the prosecution's theories too be true, you'd have to assume that Knox, who had only been in Italy for two months, and didn't speak good Italian at all, somehow convinced a boyfriend of one week, and a near total stranger, to join with her in murdering a roommate that she had only known for less than two months.  Complete nonsense.
 
2014-02-02 08:16:11 AM  
I know nothing about the Italian courts.

I did come here for more foxy knoxy pics and so far I am leaving disappoint.
 
2014-02-02 09:15:17 AM  

Rapmaster2000: If you want to amuse yourself, or perhaps be concerned, check out the comments regarding this on British tabloids.  America is basically a land of violent criminals who are also rich and arrogant and you can never trust them to tell the truth and they think they run the whole planet and no real Brit would ever visit such a horrible place.  It gives you a window into why no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) will change the mind of some people.  Someone has to pay for the death of one of their own, and if you're convinced about the way "those people" are it's pretty easy to assume she did it.

/not accusing every British person of being like this


Hey, hey, now... we're not all rich.
 
2014-02-02 09:16:17 AM  

snorkblaster: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x528]
Ummm... OK, not guilty


This.  Have her bathed, searched for weapons, and brought to my quarters.
 
2014-02-02 10:59:49 AM  

jvl: incendi: Wasn't it an Italian court that convicted some scientists for not predicting an earthquake, or something silly along those lines?

Not really. The scientists corruptly made a claim that there was no chance of an aftershock and everyone should back and live in the dangerous buildings.


Hmm, you know how I know you're talking out your ass?
 
2014-02-02 12:54:56 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: I find it hard to believe that you can live somewhere unawares that there's a dead body under the couch. For the rest I have no stick in this fire, but I must say I find it amusing to see how BFF's USA and the UK are at odds with each other over this. We get it, she's white and attractive. Lines must be drawn.


It's more the US and Italy, to be fair. The UK is oddly clam about the whole thing. The tabloids are not as excited about it to anywhere near the hysterical levels they usually are about this sort of thing.

It's no Madeline McCann on the Everyone Has an Opinion stakes in the UK. Most wouldn't even recognise the her name.
 
2014-02-02 12:56:59 PM  
I didn't mean oddly clam.

Freudian slip, ahem.
 
2014-02-02 01:30:41 PM  
Maybe, just maybe, she is a sociopathic sadistic lesbian sex murderer and shouldn't be running around loose in Seattle.

Just sayin'
 
2014-02-02 01:43:55 PM  

oovah: Maybe, just maybe, she is a sociopathic sadistic lesbian sex murderer and shouldn't be running around loose in Seattle.


I thought that was a sizable demographic in Seattle?
 
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