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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   Deputies in Southern California shoot a teen while on a manhunt for someone else. This is not a repeat of the story from last week or two weeks ago or three weeks ago or   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 106
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2014-02-01 04:01:46 AM  
FTFA:
"...plain-clothed officers approached him with guns drawn."

I think I see the problem.
 
2014-02-01 04:11:45 AM  

Frederick: FTFA:
"...plain-clothed officers approached him with guns drawn."

I think I see the problem.


Plus, the victim happened to be non-white. So now the victim of this shooting is in jail for daring to try to defend himself from guys with guns who - from the victim's perspective - may or may not have been police, but were most certainly preparing to shoot him. Yeah. This kid will be convicted, and the shooters will be required to attend extra courses at the shooting range, for only hitting him in the leg.

/Because dead victims can't complain they were wrongly shot.
 
2014-02-01 08:38:30 AM  
Sheesh, whatever happened to "1-2-3 caught caught caught"?
 
2014-02-01 10:17:30 AM  
Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.
 
2014-02-01 10:24:02 AM  

Animatronik: Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.


That's making it better for the cops. Their shiatty cover stories won't be doubted by any other officers.
 
2014-02-01 10:25:04 AM  
"Deputies in Southern California shoot a teen while on a manhunt for someone else."

-- Maybe the kid offered them some Skittles.
 
2014-02-01 10:25:10 AM  
Why is this wrong? Were they over their bag limit or somethng?
 
2014-02-01 10:25:16 AM  
All look alike?
 
2014-02-01 10:25:54 AM  
Seems to me if we need to control gun related injuries/deaths, we need to take them away from cops.

Yeah, another cop abuse story. Where is Serpico when you need him?
 
zez
2014-02-01 10:35:08 AM  
My favorite part is that they shot this guy and put him in the hospital because they were looking for someone who shot somebody and put them in the hospital.
 
2014-02-01 10:37:13 AM  

zez: My favorite part is that they shot this guy and put him in the hospital because they were looking for someone who shot somebody and put them in the hospital  morgue.

 
2014-02-01 10:38:11 AM  
Yeah..he was "prowling" alright....right next to his own home.

Cops made up the story to play the c.y.a. game. They should both be in prison for attempted murder AND false imprisonment AND malfeasence im office for attempting to cover it up with a bullshiat lie.
 
2014-02-01 10:39:14 AM  

Animatronik: Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.


Just ignore the fact he was carryin two knives. He couldn't possibly have drawn them.

Don't bring knives to a gun fight
 
2014-02-01 10:39:22 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Yeah..he was "prowling" alright....right next to his own home.

Cops made up the story to play the c.y.a. game. They should both be in prison for attempted murder AND false imprisonment AND malfeasence im office for attempting to cover it up with a bullshiat lie.


Good luck with that.
 
m00
2014-02-01 10:41:01 AM  
An 18-year-old man spoke exclusively with NBC4 from jail, where he was being held on suspicion of assaulting the undercover officers who shot him during a manhunt for a murder suspect.

I have no words. I hope he sues the crap out of them.
 
2014-02-01 10:45:25 AM  
It is sad that in many states, it is illegal to resist an illegal arrest. That's farked up.
 
Ant
2014-02-01 10:46:05 AM  
That's because, Young said, they came shooting at him without identifying themselves first.

Wait... So if I want a nice compliant murder victim who will think he shouldn't defend himself, all I have to do is pull a gun and shout POLICE!, maybe even flashing a shiny badge-like object, so I can pretend to be a plain-clothes cop? Good to know.
 
2014-02-01 10:53:12 AM  
Plain clothes cops, trigger happy pigs, low income area, nothing unusual here, it's where the cops always shoot the innocent because they won't sue.

Maybe we need a free range prison where cops can go and hunt death row inmates when the feel the need to sate their blood lust, you know, instead of innocent people.

I'm in favor of one strike policies for cops, one bad shooting and you are done as a cop forever, a national black list.
 
2014-02-01 10:56:12 AM  

GDubDub: It is sad that in many states, it is illegal to resist an illegal arrest. That's farked up.


Indiana's supreme court ruled it illegal to not comply with any clearly illegal order from law enforcement. I've been waiting for a story about a cop arresting someone for murder after ordering him to shoot someone else.
 
2014-02-01 10:59:14 AM  

Russ1642: Animatronik: Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.

That's making it better for the cops. Their shiatty cover stories won't be doubted by any other officers.


Not sure what you mean. Had they shot him in someone else's yard 2 blocks away, that would make it better for the cops because the prowler story would be more plausible.

Of course, it's possible the kid knew they were cops and pulled a knife anyway, but I see a tough road ahead for prosecutors on this one.
 
2014-02-01 10:59:45 AM  

KidneyStone: Animatronik: Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.

Just ignore the fact he was carryin two knives. He couldn't possibly have drawn them.

Don't bring knives to a gun fight


Which isnt illegal for the record.

The knives are irrelevant. Two ppl came running up to him by his own home with gins drawn.

That is relevant.
 
m00
2014-02-01 10:59:49 AM  

bmwericus: black list.


heh
 
2014-02-01 11:01:21 AM  
He was coming right for us!

/ Sounds like no one made any good choices; they bum rushed him and he pulled a knife
 
2014-02-01 11:02:24 AM  
m00
2014-02-01 10:41:01 AM


An 18-year-old man spoke exclusively with NBC4 from jail, where he was being held on suspicion of assaulting the undercover officers who shot him during a manhunt for a murder suspect.

I have no words. I hope he sues the crap out of them.

CA DA's have stated cops can shoot anybody, at any time, for any reason, because their job makes them scarred little rabbits. Kid gets nothing
 
2014-02-01 11:03:10 AM  

iheartscotch: He was coming right for us!

/ Sounds like no one made any good choices; they bum rushed him and he pulled a knife


In his OWN yard bc they said he was a prowler.

He had the right to make an attempt to defend himself against two armed assailants. He had no idea they were cops.
 
2014-02-01 11:03:38 AM  

KidneyStone: Animatronik: Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.

Just ignore the fact he was carryin two knives. He couldn't possibly have drawn them.

Don't bring knives to a gun fight


I think what helps him there is the way they approached him. If I thought someone was going to shoot me Id pull out whatever I had too.
 
2014-02-01 11:05:11 AM  

MmmmBacon: Frederick: FTFA:
"...plain-clothed officers approached him with guns drawn."

I think I see the problem.

Plus, the victim happened to be non-white. So now the victim of this shooting is in jail for daring to try to defend himself from guys with guns who - from the victim's perspective - may or may not have been police, but were most certainly preparing to shoot him. Yeah. This kid will be convicted, and the shooters will be required to attend extra courses at the shooting range, for only hitting him in the leg.

/Because dead victims can't complain they were wrongly shot.


Assuming that race had anything to do with it just because he's non-white is in itself racist.
 
2014-02-01 11:05:24 AM  
FTA: Sheriff's officials said deputies saw Young sneaking through yards.

I'm sure they'll be prosecuted for filing a false report any day now. Aaaaaany day now.


Ant: Wait... So if I want a nice compliant murder victim who will think he shouldn't defend himself, all I have to do is pull a gun and shout POLICE!, maybe even flashing a shiny badge-like object, so I can pretend to be a plain-clothes cop? Good to know.


You can even do it while breaking into their home in the middle of the night, since cops actually do that.
 
2014-02-01 11:05:32 AM  

Stoker: Seems to me if we need to control gun related injuries/deaths, we need to take them away from cops.

Yeah, another cop abuse story. Where is Serpico when you need him?


What Serpico might look like:
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2014-02-01 11:06:56 AM  

Animatronik: KidneyStone: Animatronik: Sounds like the deputies made up a story to cover their idiotic behavior.

They're accusing the kid of prowling but apparently the shooting happened near his family? That's just making it worse for the cops.

Just ignore the fact he was carryin two knives. He couldn't possibly have drawn them.

Don't bring knives to a gun fight

I think what helps him there is the way they approached him. If I thought someone was going to shoot me Id pull out whatever I had too.


Knives vs two ppl w guns...the odds are definitely not good, but it beats just standing there and being killed without even TRYING to fight back.

Again...they didnt announce they were cops and were wearing street clothes. Kid had the right to defend his life by whatever means he had.

Im just sad the kid got shot, and that none of his family walked outside and slaughtered the two pigs for attempting to murder their kid.
 
2014-02-01 11:07:54 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: iheartscotch: He was coming right for us!

/ Sounds like no one made any good choices; they bum rushed him and he pulled a knife

In his OWN yard bc they said he was a prowler.

He had the right to make an attempt to defend himself against two armed assailants. He had no idea they were cops.


He says they didn't identify themselves; I'm sure they'll say "we totes identified ourselves". In situations like this; I take both sides and go to the middle for truth. They probably told the kid they were cops after they shot and tackled the kid.

/ Also; cop train specifically to deal with people who have a knife. The answer is turn the knife guy into Swiss Cheese.
 
2014-02-01 11:11:01 AM  
Two words:cha-ching!

/might be one word
 
2014-02-01 11:11:12 AM  

dugitman: zez: My favorite part is that they shot this guy and put him in the hospital because they were looking for someone who shot somebody and put them in the hospital morgue.


That's the Chicago way.
 
2014-02-01 11:11:57 AM  
Reminds me of the story my brother in high school with a couple friends was getting back and some other people with their own prank.  They found their car and TPed it or something, then left.  My brother was driving and they were at a red light and this guy runs up to him, points a gun in his face and says get out of the car!  He assumed he was being carjacked.  He gets out and the guy starts putting handcuffs on him and finally realizing he was a plain clothes cop.  They finally let him and his friends go, but that was crazy all for an innocent prank.
 
2014-02-01 11:14:10 AM  

BolloxReader: GDubDub: It is sad that in many states, it is illegal to resist an illegal arrest. That's farked up.

Indiana's supreme court ruled it illegal to not comply with any clearly illegal order from law enforcement. I've been waiting for a story about a cop arresting someone for murder after ordering him to shoot someone else.


Actually they ruled you couldn't resist an illegal search or detainment, but the wording of the law was completely moronic. They've since rewritten that law to make it specific to domestic violence cases(which was the reason for the original law). I'd have to dig it up, but you are correct that the original statute pretty much gave cops free reign to do whatever the fark they wanted
 
2014-02-01 11:17:46 AM  
FTFA: Young's uncle said friends and family, including a baby, were inside the garage when the gunfire erupted. At least one bullet hit the side of the house, another struck a car and two others damaged a neighbor's home.

"They reacted too quickly they had the wrong house - the wrong people," Battee said.

Battee said San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies handcuffed everyone and told them they were watching the house, looking for Robert Pope, who is wanted for an Apple Valley shooting that left a man dead and a woman seriously hurt.


Great, shoot the kid and then handcuff all the witnesses (hopefully not the baby, too), because fark you.
 
Ant
2014-02-01 11:20:26 AM  

generallyso: FTA: Sheriff's officials said deputies saw Young sneaking through yards.

I'm sure they'll be prosecuted for filing a false report any day now. Aaaaaany day now.


Ant: Wait... So if I want a nice compliant murder victim who will think he shouldn't defend himself, all I have to do is pull a gun and shout POLICE!, maybe even flashing a shiny badge-like object, so I can pretend to be a plain-clothes cop? Good to know.

You can even do it while breaking into their home in the middle of the night, since cops actually do that.


Ooh! Can I shoot their family dog too? Can I? Can I? Please say yes!
 
2014-02-01 11:21:51 AM  
Some time back I saw the end of a foot chase where the cops cornered the guy, tackled him and after wrestling around for a little bit, put cuffs on him (SoCal btw) all the cops wanted to know from me was had I heard them announce to the guy that they were cops. They had. Seems strange that this policy of identifying themselves has gone by the wayside.
 
2014-02-01 11:28:15 AM  
Someone call the police!

There are police outside my door and I'm too young to die!
 
2014-02-01 11:28:42 AM  
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2014-02-01 11:31:00 AM  
That teenager was out of the hospital and in jail Thursday, accused of assault with a deadly weapon against a peace officer because, officials said, he pulled out a knife when the plain-clothed officers approached him with guns drawn.

At 9pm while he was trying to pee outside his family's garage. I might freak and reach for a weapon, too
 
2014-02-01 11:33:15 AM  
Simple solution: if the cop isn't wearing the full uniform with badge, they aren't allowed to invade anyone else's property. If they do, they should get the book thrown at them, even if they "didn't have time" to change.

/sadly, this will be ignored, because it's a concession to the cops for all the other ridiculous bullshiat they're put through
//like being expected to have psychic and precognitive superpowers, live in a pre-scripted and edited Hollywood cop drama, etc.
///we're all so wrapped up in delusion we can't even use common sense any more
 
2014-02-01 11:49:27 AM  

Mega Steve: That teenager was out of the hospital and in jail Thursday, accused of assault with a deadly weapon against a peace officer because, officials said, he pulled out a knife when the plain-clothed officers approached him with guns drawn.

At 9pm while he was trying to pee outside his family's garage. I might freak and reach for a weapon, too


Well of course the Officers were frightened. The weapon he pulled out to pee with being so much larger than theirs , a magnum of some sort...
 
2014-02-01 11:54:05 AM  
I love how they always describe cops out of uniform as plain-clothed officers. So they're out of uniform yet still look like cops. Would've borrowed the kid my 357 colt loaded with hydro-shock ammo. Then again it's Cali and they would've given the kid the death penalty!
 
2014-02-01 11:55:30 AM  

Badmoodman: "Deputies in Southern California shoot a teen while on a manhunt for someone else."

-- Maybe the kid offered them some Skittles.


Non-white kid out walking?  Sounds like suspicious behavior to me.
 
2014-02-01 11:59:09 AM  
Cops are lucky he didn't get himself an Uzi and his brother a nine.

/ got nuthin'
 
2014-02-01 12:12:57 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: The knives are irrelevant. Two ppl came running up to him by his own home with gins drawn.

That is relevant.


What is relevant is that when someone brings gins to your house, you're a dick if you don't break out the juice and solo cups and deserve to be shot.
 
2014-02-01 12:19:58 PM  
After stories like this and the Treyvon Martin shooting, I always wonder if it is even possible to go jogging outside your own house to get some exercise, without being shot by some nutcase.
I imagine some day we will see an article saying "Bubba McNutcase shot and killed Bill Smith outside his house yesterday, claiming he felt threatened by Smith.  Smith was a WWII veteran, recipient of the Presidential Medal of Honor, and won the 1971 Nobel Peace Prize for his work to eradicate polio in Africa.  McNutcase is currently enjoying a golf game provided to him by the NRA and is arranging a national public speaking tour to promote gun rights.  He has been unemployed since 1987.
 
2014-02-01 12:22:35 PM  

bmwericus: Plain clothes cops, trigger happy pigs, low income area, nothing unusual here, it's where the cops always shoot the innocent because they won't sue.

Maybe we need a free range prison where cops can go and hunt death row inmates when the feel the need to sate their blood lust, you know, instead of innocent people.

I'm in favor of one strike policies for cops, one bad shooting and you are done as a cop forever, a national black list.


I'm in favor of a very strict "one strike" policy for all public servants; you commit a serious crime using your position of public trust and you go to the guillotine. Any crime is made significantly worse when done by a public servant. If you assault someone as a normal citizen, that's the extent of the crime. Do it as a cop, and you're making people more hesitant to call the cops, undermining trust, and abusing the power given you by society. That's a LOT more serious. Same with other crimes. Steal some money as a normal person, you're hurting the person your taking it from or maybe their insurance. Steal it as a public servant, not only are you destroying public trust but that money could have been buying body armor for troops (you are killing troops), could have been buying food for poor people (you are starving people), could have made some roads safer (you are killing people in car accidents), etc. Head comes off.
 
2014-02-01 12:31:20 PM  
Wheres vash when you need him?
 
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