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(Pro Basketball Talk)   David Stern should go down as one of the two greatest sports commissioners ever. And if you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you   (probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 31
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2014-02-01 10:54:21 AM  
Dear NBA we'll give you Betman back.
 
2014-02-01 11:07:12 AM  
That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.
 
2014-02-01 11:07:21 AM  

Mole Man: Dear NBA we'll give you Betman back.


He's leaving anyway, isn't he?
 
2014-02-01 11:11:21 AM  
 
2014-02-01 11:22:59 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Would like to hear more about your ocean front property in Arizona.
 
2014-02-01 11:52:32 AM  
Close #2 to Selig as worst (and that's with lots and lots of hard work on Stern's part to get there; Selig came to it naturally).
 
2014-02-01 11:59:14 AM  

feanorn: Close #2 to Selig as worst (and that's with lots and lots of hard work on Stern's part to get there; Selig came to it naturally).


Gary Bettman laughs at the notion that he isn't the worst.

/Sepp Blatter
 
2014-02-01 12:04:01 PM  
He could be the second worst commissioner in the history of pro sports, and he would still be better than Roger Goodell.
 
2014-02-01 12:12:32 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-01 12:18:33 PM  
Stern was hardly the worst, though he did Fark Seattle, hard. (The only reason I've got a dog in tomorrow's fight)

Selig isn't a bad commissioner either.


Goodell and Bettemen, though. They need to go. Now.
 
2014-02-01 12:50:29 PM  

neon_god: That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.


Exactly. He's really done a great job in globalizing the game and marketing the star players. And I do appreciate his "fark you I'll do what I want" attitude. He may come off as a prick, but at least it's honest. Counter that with how Goodell just seems like a complete fraud whenever he speaks to the public and how he goes about his business.

I do wonder how he feels in leaving a league where the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Sixers are terrible.
 
2014-02-01 12:57:28 PM  

coolio mack: neon_god: That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.

Exactly. He's really done a great job in globalizing the game and marketing the star players. And I do appreciate his "fark you I'll do what I want" attitude. He may come off as a prick, but at least it's honest. Counter that with how Goodell just seems like a complete fraud whenever he speaks to the public and how he goes about his business.

I do wonder how he feels in leaving a league where the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Sixers are terrible.


I'd be happier if he were honest with that Suns/Spurs thing instead of saying "I don't have the power to not suspend them"...yet other players had left benches during altercations and weren't suspended.

Or if he were honest with the Seattle situation.

Overall as a fan of the sport and league I appreciate what he's done over the length of his career, taking the NBA from virtually folding to the second most popular American sport (by TV ratings).

But I like the Suns and had a soft spot for the Sonics, so his handling of those situations took a great thing and turned it into a sundae with sh*t on top.
 
2014-02-01 12:58:31 PM  
Is the golden gate still free with purchase?
 
2014-02-01 01:11:59 PM  

coolio mack: neon_god: That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.

Exactly. He's really done a great job in globalizing the game and marketing the star players. And I do appreciate his "fark you I'll do what I want" attitude. He may come off as a prick, but at least it's honest. Counter that with how Goodell just seems like a complete fraud whenever he speaks to the public and how he goes about his business.

I do wonder how he feels in leaving a league where the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Sixers are terrible.


It seems like, going all the way back to Keneshaw Mountain Landis in the MLB, it's better to have a commissioner with the power and attitude to tell anyone else in the sport to fark off when necessary. He'll make decisions everyone hates at one point or another, and decisions that in hindsight are just wrong. But it's better than stumbling forward committee style and never getting anything done. It's a job where everyone hating you equally is the surest sign you're doing it right
 
2014-02-01 01:35:01 PM  

MFAWG: Mole Man: Dear NBA we'll give you Betman back.

He's leaving anyway, isn't he?


Think his contract expires next year.  Wouldn't surprise me that Stern did pull this off.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/unhappy-anniversary-075900207--nhl.html
 
2014-02-01 01:37:25 PM  

IAmRight: coolio mack: neon_god: That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.

Exactly. He's really done a great job in globalizing the game and marketing the star players. And I do appreciate his "fark you I'll do what I want" attitude. He may come off as a prick, but at least it's honest. Counter that with how Goodell just seems like a complete fraud whenever he speaks to the public and how he goes about his business.

I do wonder how he feels in leaving a league where the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Sixers are terrible.

I'd be happier if he were honest with that Suns/Spurs thing instead of saying "I don't have the power to not suspend them"...yet other players had left benches during altercations and weren't suspended.

Or if he were honest with the Seattle situation.

Overall as a fan of the sport and league I appreciate what he's done over the length of his career, taking the NBA from virtually folding to the second most popular American sport (by TV ratings).

But I like the Suns and had a soft spot for the Sonics, so his handling of those situations took a great thing and turned it into a sundae with sh*t on top.


You're gonna have to cite other examples of people not getting suspended when leaving the bench because I've seen bullshiat suspensions happen all the time due to that stupid rule. I understand why people wanted Stern to make an exception there because it was an important playoff series. Frankly I would've felt worse for the Suns if they didn't completely choke away game 5 at home.

The Seattle thing was bad. And I'm a Lakers fan and my recent memory of Stern is not letting Chris Paul come to the Lakers for "basketball reasons". Then the league owned Hornets magically got the #1 pick right after they closed the deal to sell to the Shinn family.

Either way I still think Stern did a great job over his 30 year tenure to improve the game compared to his counterparts.
 
2014-02-01 03:38:46 PM  

coolio mack: Frankly I would've felt worse for the Suns if they didn't completely choke away game 5 at home.


They had a six-man rotation with zero power forwards, of course they weren't going to be able to hold on to the lead. It was kinda ridiculous that they led in the first place. But you probably can't count on Shawn Marion outscoring AND outrebounding the entire Spurs team for more than a quarter.

/Garnett did it and didn't get suspended
//the rule is poorly written - there was one play where Duncan was on the floor (he wasn't in the game at the time) in the same series during a hard foul...if the Suns player had just punched the nearest Spur, apparently Duncan should have been suspended too
///Diaw got off the bench to pick Nash up - when he saw Bell coming over to shove Horry, he started getting back to the bench. I don't have much of a problem with the Amare suspension for woofing (even if he never got within 30 feet of a Spur), but suspending a guy making an effort to get away from the altercation was asinine
////let's not forget that Donaghy was assigned to one Spurs win and Bavetta got the Game 6 home game for the Spurs
///yeah, NO was clearly rigged, too
//gonna agree with Simmons that Stern had a great 30 years - but not all those 30 years were as commissioner
 
2014-02-01 04:21:22 PM  

VarmintCong: [i.imgur.com image 628x598]


That about sums it up, doesn't it? I saw that yesterday not too long after it was first up and the percentages don't appear to have changed since then. I'm sure there are at least a couple of cities that could make a solid case for themselves, but Seattle got boned about as bad as any town with a sports franchise I've ever seen.
 
2014-02-01 04:59:56 PM  
Let's see...30 years and HOW MANY teams have won a championship?
Maybe the new guy can bring pro basketball to Milwaukee, Cleveland, Portland, Oakland...
 
2014-02-01 05:10:48 PM  

VarmintCong: [i.imgur.com image 628x598]


2nd day in a row seeing this and still 'avin a giggle, m8.
 
2014-02-01 05:17:59 PM  
fark stern.  that is all.
 
2014-02-01 05:26:01 PM  
If the Seahawks should win the Owl tomorrow, I sincerely hope that Paul Allen takes the Lombardi Trophy home with him for the specific purpose of shoving it up David Stern's ass.
 
2014-02-01 06:14:00 PM  

DrBear: Let's see...30 years and HOW MANY teams have won a championship?
Maybe the new guy can bring pro basketball to Milwaukee, Cleveland, Portland, Oakland...


Yeah, other than Portland, and Milwaukee in ancient history, those teams weren't winning before Stern. They continue not winning (except Oakland which is actually pretty good this year) and like so much of the shiat commissioners get blamed for, it's not Stern's fault.

I think people have no concept of who the commissioner works for and therefore judge them based on how their decisions affect fans. Well guess what? The commissioners work for the owners and their job isn't to make fans happy, or at least that's secondary to their primary responsibility, the continued financial success of their leagues.

Measuring by the correct parameters, Stern has been a fantastic commissioner. Did he screw Seattle? Maybe...if you're not in Seattle though you probably don't really give a shiat other than it allows you to piss and moan about how evil Stern is. And if you're in OKC you're happy about it, so it's a wash for the rest of the world. What isn't a wash is Stern steering the NBA from the verge of collapsing to a global sport and the second most popular sport in the US.

Any other mistakes he made (the Chris Paul debacle, selective rule enforcement, gambling refs, etc.) are all easily forgiven for what he's been able to do for the league and the players, who are getting paid more than ever. And if you're a fan of the league you've never had more access to games than you do now, on TV and the Internet. Stern did a good job. He made mistakes just like anyone is a powerful decision making position does, but on balance his tenure was successful for the NBA.
 
2014-02-01 06:17:46 PM  
You stick and ball fans think you have bad commissioners? While that may not be the title these men use, Brian France, Tony George and Bernie Eclestone make your examples of bad sports leaders into an angelic cherub seated on your shoulder telling you not to steal the candy bar.
 
2014-02-01 07:21:22 PM  

DrBear: Let's see...30 years and HOW MANY teams have won a championship?
Maybe the new guy can bring pro basketball to Milwaukee Seattle, Cleveland, Portland, Oakland...



They'll move and win a title there ten times before they win here.  And frankly if they packed up tomorrow I don't think a dozen people would miss them.

/Commitment to Mediocrity
 
2014-02-01 09:22:55 PM  
    While Stern will win few popularity contests, he has bought the league to heights it could not have imagined.  Nobody, now, can imagine watching the NBA Finals on tape delay.  Yet,  that used to be the case.  Only the most jaded/uneducated observer would deny Stern was a very good commissioner.  A tool to be certain, but good at his job.
 
2014-02-01 11:52:34 PM  
RIP, Bart Giamatti
 
2014-02-02 12:50:56 AM  

IAmRight: coolio mack: neon_god: That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.

Exactly. He's really done a great job in globalizing the game and marketing the star players. And I do appreciate his "fark you I'll do what I want" attitude. He may come off as a prick, but at least it's honest. Counter that with how Goodell just seems like a complete fraud whenever he speaks to the public and how he goes about his business.

I do wonder how he feels in leaving a league where the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Sixers are terrible.

I'd be happier if he were honest with that Suns/Spurs thing instead of saying "I don't have the power to not suspend them"...yet other players had left benches during altercations and weren't suspended.

Or if he were honest with the Seattle situation.

Overall as a fan of the sport and league I appreciate what he's done over the length of his career, taking the NBA from virtually folding to the second most popular American sport (by TV ratings).

But I like the Suns and had a soft spot for the Sonics, so his handling of those situations took a great thing and turned it into a sundae with sh*t on top.


You need help. You work the spurs/sun thing into 2/3 of your nba post for 8 years running now. It is time to give it up

IAmRight: coolio mack: Frankly I would've felt worse for the Suns if they didn't completely choke away game 5 at home.

They had a six-man rotation with zero power forwards, of course they weren't going to be able to hold on to the lead. It was kinda ridiculous that they led in the first place. But you probably can't count on Shawn Marion outscoring AND outrebounding the entire Spurs team for more than a quarter.

/Garnett did it and didn't get suspended
//the rule is poorly written - there was one play where Duncan was on the floor (he wasn't in the game at the time) in the same series during a hard foul...if the Suns player had just punched the nearest Spur, apparently Duncan should have been suspended too
///Diaw got off the bench to pick Nash up - when he saw Bell coming over to shove Horry, he started getting back to the bench. I don't have much of a problem with the Amare suspension for woofing (even if he never got within 30 feet of a Spur), but suspending a guy making an effort to get away from the altercation was asinine
////let's not forget that Donaghy was assigned to one Spurs win and Bavetta got the Game 6 home game for the Spurs
///yeah, NO was clearly rigged, too
//gonna agree with Simmons that Stern had a great 30 years - but not all those 30 years were as commissioner


Let me guess the moon landing is fake too huh?
 
2014-02-02 02:21:11 AM  

coolio mack: IAmRight: coolio mack: neon_god: That's some backhanded praise. Like being the second hottest crack whore behind the 7-11 at 3 a.m.

Thinking about it, though, I'd take him over Selig, Goodell or Betman. He helped hugely expand the NBA's popularity, ensured labour peace better than most other leagues, and wasn't really more evil than the other three.

Exactly. He's really done a great job in globalizing the game and marketing the star players. And I do appreciate his "fark you I'll do what I want" attitude. He may come off as a prick, but at least it's honest. Counter that with how Goodell just seems like a complete fraud whenever he speaks to the public and how he goes about his business.

I do wonder how he feels in leaving a league where the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Sixers are terrible.

I'd be happier if he were honest with that Suns/Spurs thing instead of saying "I don't have the power to not suspend them"...yet other players had left benches during altercations and weren't suspended.

Or if he were honest with the Seattle situation.

Overall as a fan of the sport and league I appreciate what he's done over the length of his career, taking the NBA from virtually folding to the second most popular American sport (by TV ratings).

But I like the Suns and had a soft spot for the Sonics, so his handling of those situations took a great thing and turned it into a sundae with sh*t on top.

You're gonna have to cite other examples of people not getting suspended when leaving the bench because I've seen bullshiat suspensions happen all the time due to that stupid rule. I understand why people wanted Stern to make an exception there because it was an important playoff series. Frankly I would've felt worse for the Suns if they didn't completely choke away game 5 at home.

The Seattle thing was bad. And I'm a Lakers fan and my recent memory of Stern is not letting Chris Paul come to the Lakers for "basketball reasons". Then the league owned Hornets magically got the # ...


The Lakers/Hornets trade was never final.  The media leaked it because they wanted it to happen (Broussard).  Stern, as head of the NBA, which owned the team at the time, nixed any trade in that direction because it was a bad trade, saddling the team with debt and no exceptional players for it.  The deal they got from the Clips was better, allowed them to be leaner for a prospective buyer, and allow them to lose/tank properly for a chance at the top pick, which they got the next year.
 
2014-02-02 02:22:13 AM  
I'll add...  Stern repeatedly said his favorite Finals would be Lakers vs. Lakers.  To say he'd ever collude against his top team or for a team like the Spurs is horseshiat.
 
2014-02-02 07:37:25 AM  

recoil47: Would like to hear more about your ocean front property in Arizona.


Otisberg???
 
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