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(Toronto Sun)   Priceless Stradivarius violin stolen, $100,000 reward offered. No strings attached   (torontosun.com) divider line 98
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2014-02-01 03:23:36 AM  

Weatherkiss: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.

I know some guy named Johnny in Georgia has one made of solid gold.


I'll admit, that made me laugh.
 
2014-02-01 03:25:12 AM  

Oldiron_79: Weatherkiss: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.

I know some guy named Johnny in Georgia has one made of solid gold.

Wouldnt it be really heavy and sound crummy?


Well, it's mostly for show.

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2014-02-01 03:26:54 AM  

grimlock1972: Lsherm: grimlock1972: Not sure if the person who paid to have it taken is Russian or not,

I think you do know for sure.  Awfully close to that border crossing, aren't you?

LOL  Not really I am an  hour away fro Fargo, North Dakota.

Also i would never deprieve the world of hear the melodious sounds of a Strad.


Well, definitely not Russian, you timed yourself to a border crossing in a city.  A farking Russian would just start walking north.
 
2014-02-01 03:28:38 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /ok... have it your way


Don't ever change, MMM. You made me laugh my ass off the other day. In a good way.
 
2014-02-01 03:29:25 AM  

Weatherkiss: Oldiron_79: Weatherkiss: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.

I know some guy named Johnny in Georgia has one made of solid gold.

Wouldnt it be really heavy and sound crummy?

Well, it's mostly for show.


So are you wanting me to sign a fiddle contest waiver?
 
2014-02-01 03:41:39 AM  

whidbey: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /ok... have it your way

Don't ever change, MMM. You made me laugh my ass off the other day. In a good way.


You're an unreasoning bigot, and a hatin' little punk

/but for some reason, I like you anyway
//this is for you: one of the most beautiful places I have ever been to
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Look familiar?
:)
 
2014-02-01 03:47:35 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: one of the most beautiful places I have ever been to


indeed it is--quite a gratifying experience
 
2014-02-01 03:54:51 AM  

doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.
~


re: Lenses for the most important, biggest budget telescopes ie. the Hubble telescopes of today

A while back I read that the final "light grinding-back" and polishing of the big-assed lenses is done by humans!  Coz humans still make better lenses than any machine. That's still got me scratchin' me head.

Go team humans!
 
2014-02-01 03:56:03 AM  
Yeah, they are worth a truckload, but the truth is that a quality modern violin can actually sound much better.
 
2014-02-01 04:04:32 AM  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8vwmG-h9AE&feature=youtube_gdata_play er

Itzak Perlman playing Vivaldi
 
2014-02-01 04:05:29 AM  

Kevin72: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8vwmG-h9AE&feature=youtube_gdata_pla y er

Itzak Perlman playing Vivaldi


On his Stradivarius
 
2014-02-01 04:06:27 AM  

Kevin72: Kevin72: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8vwmG-h9AE&feature=youtube_gdata_pla y er

Itzak Perlman playing Vivaldi

On his Stradivarius


Kevin go home you sre drunk
 
2014-02-01 04:11:23 AM  

Kevin72: Kevin72: Kevin72: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8vwmG-h9AE&feature=youtube_gdata_pla y er

Itzak Perlman playing Vivaldi

On his Stradivarius

Kevin go home you sre drunk


You may be drunk, but I appreciate your taste in music

/for whatever that's worth
 
2014-02-01 04:12:04 AM  

Big Ramifications: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.
~

re: Lenses for the most important, biggest budget telescopes ie. the Hubble telescopes of today

A while back I read that the final "light grinding-back" and polishing of the big-assed lenses is done by humans!  Coz humans still make better lenses than any machine. That's still got me scratchin' me head.

Go team humans!


That's also false. Humans finish lenses better than any machine thus far. If we made lenses better, there wouldn't be mass produced glasses.
 
2014-02-01 04:12:29 AM  
I read that as "Princess Stanislaus."

/not sure why.
 
2014-02-01 04:38:46 AM  

Big Ramifications: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.
~

re: Lenses for the most important, biggest budget telescopes ie. the Hubble telescopes of today

A while back I read that the final "light grinding-back" and polishing of the big-assed lenses is done by humans!  Coz humans still make better lenses than any machine. That's still got me scratchin' me head.

Go team humans!


A violin is not a machine.

/There's quite a few steps in grinding a lense
//Polishing depends on the grind
///In diopters
 
2014-02-01 04:41:13 AM  

viscountalpha: And yes. This reeks of a pro job. I do have to wonder why they used a stun gun instead of flat out killing the guy.

Professional courtesy?


If whoever paid for this job is a real classical music lover, they wouldn't want Frank Almond dead. He's apparently quite good.
 
2014-02-01 04:47:56 AM  

Paris1127: viscountalpha: And yes. This reeks of a pro job. I do have to wonder why they used a stun gun instead of flat out killing the guy.

Professional courtesy?

If whoever paid for this job is a real classical music lover, they wouldn't want Frank Almond dead. He's apparently quite good.


I'm also willing to bet it's less about "Honor Among Thieves" and more about "Hey, if we get caught doing this, murder is going to be a little bit more severe than robbery when you're on trial."
 
2014-02-01 04:52:47 AM  

doglover: Big Ramifications: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.
~

re: Lenses for the most important, biggest budget telescopes ie. the Hubble telescopes of today

A while back I read that the final "light grinding-back" and polishing of the big-assed lenses is done by humans!  Coz humans still make better lenses than any machine. That's still got me scratchin' me head.

Go team humans!

That's also false. Humans finish lenses better than any machine thus far. If we made lenses better, there wouldn't be mass produced glasses.

~

You clown. Maybe humans do make better glasses lenses as well.... but that's irrelevant, lens quality isn't the driver here.

It would cost a $$$gazillion more for humans to make them, and humans would be as slow as all fark. Pretty sure the factory owners and the ultimate paying customers are prepared to cop the 0.001% flaw rate for machines that just belt 'em out at a fraction of the cost.

A 0.001% flaw rate, I'm guessing, isn't something NASA is gonna wear, and they're prepared to spend the extra bucks.
 
2014-02-01 05:00:58 AM  
At lest it wasn't a Guarneri.
 
2014-02-01 05:09:01 AM  
Don't bother, it's already on a plane to China.
 
2014-02-01 05:14:40 AM  

Big Ramifications: doglover: Big Ramifications: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.
~

re: Lenses for the most important, biggest budget telescopes ie. the Hubble telescopes of today

A while back I read that the final "light grinding-back" and polishing of the big-assed lenses is done by humans!  Coz humans still make better lenses than any machine. That's still got me scratchin' me head.

Go team humans!

That's also false. Humans finish lenses better than any machine thus far. If we made lenses better, there wouldn't be mass produced glasses.
~

You clown. Maybe humans do make better glasses lenses as well.... but that's irrelevant, lens quality isn't the driver here.

It would cost a $$$gazillion more for humans to make them, and humans would be as slow as all fark. Pretty sure the factory owners and the ultimate paying customers are prepared to cop the 0.001% flaw rate for machines that just belt 'em out at a fraction of the cost.

A 0.001% flaw rate, I'm guessing, isn't something NASA is gonna wear, and they're prepared to spend the extra bucks.


Humans have the higher flaw rate.

But there's not enough demand for a big lens machine.

Now, an air knife that plucks out off colored cheetoes faster than you can blink....
 
2014-02-01 05:16:26 AM  

doglover: I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.


Better is subjective and you can get a huge debate going between violinists over what's better, a Stradivarius, Amati or Guarneri. Some consider Guarneris superior to everything, even though they've never had the attention Stradivarius violins have had. Or even Amatis for that matter. And if the price thing comes up, the most expensive violin ever is the Vieuxtemps Guarneri violin, which was being sold for $18 million, though if the buyer paid that much is unknown. As for people today building violins that sound as good, it can be done.
 
2014-02-01 05:26:31 AM  

Weatherkiss: Paris1127: viscountalpha: And yes. This reeks of a pro job. I do have to wonder why they used a stun gun instead of flat out killing the guy.

Professional courtesy?

If whoever paid for this job is a real classical music lover, they wouldn't want Frank Almond dead. He's apparently quite good.

I'm also willing to bet it's less about "Honor Among Thieves" and more about "Hey, if we get caught doing this, murder is going to be a little bit more severe than robbery when you're on trial."


I'm sure there are lots of thieves who are cool with stealing a world treasure who find murder distasteful or don't have the stomach for it, especially since it clearly wasn't necessary.  Either way, I'm glad Almond is okay.

This is all made especially sad considering his relatively recent release of A Violin's Life, a Kickstarter-funded album that traces back the heritage of this specific Strad.
 
2014-02-01 05:26:39 AM  
The good news is that the 'priceless' part comes from pretentious folk who don't actual care about music.  Sure, sure, everyone SAYS it sounds better, except when they don't know which is the priceless violin and which is the brand new nothing special one.  Then the truth comes out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_preferences_among_new_and_old_vi ol ins
* the most-preferred violin was new;
* the least-preferred was by Stradivari;
* there was low correlation between an instrument's age and monetary value and its perceived quality;
* most players seemed unable to tell whether their most-preferred instrument was new or old.
 
2014-02-01 05:27:02 AM  

doglover: Big Ramifications: doglover: Big Ramifications: doglover: WraithSama: As a violinist, and as someone who would dearly love to see a Strad played live by someone worthy of it (someday, Joshua Bell...), this theft is really upsetting to me.  There are so few Strads left, and most are either sitting in museums, or the biggest travesty of all, in private collectors' vaults never to be heard and enjoyed as they should be.

Whoever stun gunned Almond and took the violin clearly know what it is and what it's worth, or they were hired by someone who does.  Such a tragedy.

I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

We have more and better materials these days.
~

re: Lenses for the most important, biggest budget telescopes ie. the Hubble telescopes of today

A while back I read that the final "light grinding-back" and polishing of the big-assed lenses is done by humans!  Coz humans still make better lenses than any machine. That's still got me scratchin' me head.

Go team humans!

That's also false. Humans finish lenses better than any machine thus far. If we made lenses better, there wouldn't be mass produced glasses.
~

You clown. Maybe humans do make better glasses lenses as well.... but that's irrelevant, lens quality isn't the driver here.

It would cost a $$$gazillion more for humans to make them, and humans would be as slow as all fark. Pretty sure the factory owners and the ultimate paying customers are prepared to cop the 0.001% flaw rate for machines that just belt 'em out at a fraction of the cost.

A 0.001% flaw rate, I'm guessing, isn't something NASA is gonna wear, and they're prepared to spend the extra bucks.

Humans have the higher flaw rate.

But there's not enough demand for a big lens machine.

Now, an air knife that plucks out off colored cheetoes faster than you can blink....

~

Cool, that's not how I remember the story going.... but your version makes sense too. Cheers.
 
2014-02-01 05:28:44 AM  
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2014-02-01 05:29:13 AM  

WhyteRaven74: doglover: I find it a bit odd no one's figured out how to build a better violin yet.

Better is subjective and you can get a huge debate going between violinists over what's better, a Stradivarius, Amati or Guarneri. Some consider Guarneris superior to everything, even though they've never had the attention Stradivarius violins have had. Or even Amatis for that matter. And if the price thing comes up, the most expensive violin ever is the Vieuxtemps Guarneri violin, which was being sold for $18 million, though if the buyer paid that much is unknown. As for people today building violins that sound as good, it can be done.


Irridium fittings, finest ebony body, strings made of finest catgut, momster cables, a my little pony sticker.
 
2014-02-01 05:40:28 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The good news is that the 'priceless' part comes from pretentious folk who don't actual care about music.  Sure, sure, everyone SAYS it sounds better, except when they don't know which is the priceless violin and which is the brand new nothing special one.  Then the truth comes out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_preferences_among_new_and_old_vi ol ins
* the most-preferred violin was new;
* the least-preferred was by Stradivari;
* there was low correlation between an instrument's age and monetary value and its perceived quality;
* most players seemed unable to tell whether their most-preferred instrument was new or old.


Pretentious.  That's a fun word, isn't it?  How about we not call other people pretentious, particularly when we try to be condescending by posting a link to a study's wikipedia page, which mentions the study's possible flaws, that has already been brought up and discussed in this thread's comments--on page one, mind you--which you clearly didn't read.
 
2014-02-01 05:57:15 AM  

WraithSama: I'm sure there are lots of thieves who are cool with stealing a world treasure who find murder distasteful or don't have the stomach for it, especially since it clearly wasn't necessary. Either way, I'm glad Almond is okay.

This is all made especially sad considering his relatively recent release of A Violin's Life, a Kickstarter-funded album that traces back the heritage of this specific Strad.


Well, sure. I mean the idea of the job was to steal the violin. Murder would be unnecessary.

But if this guy really wanted to be an ultra-classy sophisticated criminal like in the movies he'd have killed the violinist because he didn't want anyone else to hear him play again, thus becoming the ultimate thief.

Like Johnny Depp's character in Once Upon a Time in Mexico murdering a chef because his food was too perfect and didn't want anyone else to taste it.
 
2014-02-01 07:57:35 AM  

viscountalpha: And yes. This reeks of a pro job. I do have to wonder why they used a stun gun instead of flat out killing the guy.

Professional courtesy?


Because that would get you caught?
 
2014-02-01 08:01:15 AM  
How about a conspiracy theory? Maybe the violinist was in financial straits and staged the robbery to cash in on the insurance.
 
2014-02-01 08:15:39 AM  
Forget tests that compare what sounds "better" (especially if the older instruments had old strings vs new ones on the modern ones).  It's been accepted that Strads sound best.  So, how to make a violin sound like a Strad?

There was a documentary many years ago that followed a man who set out to do so.  While the wood was important, the varnish seemed to be key.  The varnish had a unique blend of minerals, even ground sapphire.  When the violin maker used similar wood and replicated the varnish, the instrument sounded like a Strad.

Sorry I can't find the documentary to link to it.
 
2014-02-01 08:32:43 AM  
Can't find the Stradivarius?  It's in the Carousel Room.  Duh.
 
2014-02-01 08:48:50 AM  

Poe: Eltardo: Why do they let people just walk around with these things?  Hundreds of years old and a multimillion dollar price tag and they just take it with them when they leave like it was a gym bag?

Indeed.  If I was in the posession of a musical instrument that has it's own wikipedia article, I would be transporting it with an armed escort.


I am somewhat surprised to learn that there is not a mandatory insurance provision on the instrument that required armed security transport to be paid by the next venue set to receive the player/instrument.
 
2014-02-01 09:06:50 AM  

Earguy: Forget tests that compare what sounds "better" (especially if the older instruments had old strings vs new ones on the modern ones).  It's been accepted that Strads sound best.  So, how to make a violin sound like a Strad?


It's one of those bits of received wisdom that a Strad sounds better. There's been tests for decades that show that people can't identify a Strad, and comparison tests have been done where a modern Swiss violin outperformed a Strad.
 
2014-02-01 09:20:50 AM  

farkeruk: Earguy: Forget tests that compare what sounds "better" (especially if the older instruments had old strings vs new ones on the modern ones).  It's been accepted that Strads sound best.  So, how to make a violin sound like a Strad?

It's one of those bits of received wisdom that a Strad sounds better. There's been tests for decades that show that people can't identify a Strad, and comparison tests have been done where a modern Swiss violin outperformed a Strad.


What criteria are used to determine this? Was the same player performing on both instruments?
 
2014-02-01 09:28:45 AM  
My theory is that the owner has it heavily insured. He lends it to an artist he knows and respects, hence the relative lack of violence when he has it stolen. He then collects the insurance money, still has his violin to sell to a private collector, and makes a tidy profit.
 
2014-02-01 09:34:07 AM  
I'm curious to know what he's playing on in the meantime.
 
2014-02-01 09:36:22 AM  

deansnose: My theory is that the owner has it heavily insured. He lends it to an artist he knows and respects, hence the relative lack of violence when he has it stolen. He then collects the insurance money, still has his violin to sell to a private collector, and makes a tidy profit.


He would have to have some medical condition that will result in him no longer being able to play, to give up playing that instrument.  Musicians would rather play the finest instruments than have a quick fat checking account.  Hence why he is offering $100,000.
 
2014-02-01 09:46:29 AM  

farkeruk: Earguy: Forget tests that compare what sounds "better" (especially if the older instruments had old strings vs new ones on the modern ones).  It's been accepted that Strads sound best.  So, how to make a violin sound like a Strad?

It's one of those bits of received wisdom that a Strad sounds better. There's been tests for decades that show that people can't identify a Strad, and comparison tests have been done where a modern Swiss violin outperformed a Strad.


Since I'm about to have breakfast, are coffee and eggs known to be good for you or bad for you this week?
 
2014-02-01 10:31:13 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2014-02-01 10:59:38 AM  

Nogale: What criteria are used to determine this? Was the same player performing on both instruments?


Yes. And there's been other sorts of comparisons done and the Strad doesn't come up any better.

I'd like to ask: what's your evidence that Stradivarius violins are better?
 
2014-02-01 11:25:04 AM  

viscountalpha: And yes. This reeks of a pro job. I do have to wonder why they used a stun gun instead of flat out killing the guy.

Professional courtesy?


I'm thinking that a violinist would probably not present too much of a threat physically speaking.  \

This is why,unless you have a team of pro bodyguards, you never advertise the fact that you are walking around with a  seven figure fortune in your possession.

I'd have gone for it had I been aware of this high-reward, low-risk windfall.   Absolutely!
 
2014-02-01 11:31:17 AM  
Surprised it did not happen sooner.....

thirdcoastdaily.com
 
2014-02-01 11:42:15 AM  

farkeruk: Nogale: What criteria are used to determine this? Was the same player performing on both instruments?

Yes. And there's been other sorts of comparisons done and the Strad doesn't come up any better.

I'd like to ask: what's your evidence that Stradivarius violins are better?


I have none and I've never said they were. But I was curious about what standards are applied to determining that one violin is better than another.
 
2014-02-01 12:23:21 PM  
I am dissapoint with lack of reference to Head Office and Eddie Albert - Jude Rienhold pics.
 
2014-02-01 03:07:14 PM  

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