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2014-02-01 05:50:09 AM  

Mister Peejay: Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.

I find it kinda funny (funny "duh" not funny "ha-ha") when people start mumbling about getting water from the Great Lakes.

Ever look at the Great Lakes watershed?  Most of it is in Canada.  That's Canadian water.


pixel.nymag.com
 
2014-02-01 06:28:39 AM  

JonBuck: They can't build this desalination plant fast enough. Won't be running for a couple years.


And when it gets really bad, they'll use desalination plants like they do oil refineries: only when the demand for water passes the "torches and pitchforks" threshold.
 
2014-02-01 06:28:59 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: make me some tea: RayD8: WOW! I think you may be in for a lean time. You will have to shower like the French.(weekly)

I'm from Las Vegas, so I'm no stranger to water issues, but this is entirely different because Sac area isn't accustomed to rationing. They're asking residential customers to cut their water use as much as possible. Shut off water to lawns, take 5min showers, etc. I'm pretty sure it's going to be mandatory soon. This summer is gonna be a biatch unless the pattern changes.

Oh, rationing isn't new to Sac by any means

/have we reached "brick in the toilet and only flush solids" stage yet?


Remeber kids. If it's yellow let it mellow, If it's brown flush it down!
 
2014-02-01 06:37:30 AM  
California farmers were already using about all the water available after household use and have a lot more land they would like to irrigate if they had the water to, so the "Food grows where water flows" billboards along I-5 there are perpetual.  They fall kind of flat for me when I've been driving past cotton fields for half an hour, maybe they were put up by a weevil person.
 
2014-02-01 06:50:41 AM  

Mister Peejay: Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.

I find it kinda funny (funny "duh" not funny "ha-ha") when people start mumbling about getting water from the Great Lakes.

Ever look at the Great Lakes watershed?  Most of it is in Canada.  That's Canadian water.


No most of it is in the states.

www.epa.gov
 
2014-02-01 07:28:16 AM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Can we please ban lawns nationwide already?


Well, that seems extreme for the nation
There are ways to have "a yard" with drought tolerant plants - some people in the Keys landscape with large white gravel (saves on water but increases heat) - my mother cultivated weeds (not as uniform as a pool-table lawn but remains green when dry and requires no fertilizer) - and, of course, there have been reports of HOA-run areas where fined residents tried green spray paint.
How about we redefine "lawn"  to include "native plants and geographically suited materials" and not just "purchased sod that requires irrigatation, chemical intervention and gas-powered machinery to maintain"
Learn to love cactus and russian thistle and stop treating your yard as if it were a pedigreed teacup dog.

otoh? I am scared for California - "no water" for people sounds like the debate about lawns and landscaping is over - esp as fire season approaches
 
2014-02-01 07:35:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Gyrfalcon: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "Farmers pumped out the groundwater long ago, and massive state and federal water projects keep agriculture going in a place that has otherwise turned to arid and chemical-soaked fields of death."

I'm not 100% convinced that anyone should be sending their water to support agriculture in the arid chemical-soaked fields of death of farmers who long ago destroyed their own water supply.

Yeah, blame it on the farmers. It's all their fault that everyone wanted to eat food on the cheap, just like it's the miners in Appalachia's fault everyone wanted power on the cheap.

You might put some blame on the agribusinesses who run the farms, sparky. The FARMERS knew a few decades ago it was insanity to keep pouring water on the fields--but the agribusinesses needed those rich, creamy water subsidies, which made it more cost-effective to keep dumping water all over the place rather than switching over to less wasteful drip-irrigation systems.

Anyway, most of the extraneous water loss isn't due to agriculture, which is extremely necessary. It's due to the bullshiat big cities like the one I live in, with its nice green lawns, nice green golf courses and parks, and water-wasting fountains, air-chilling plants and leaky infrastructure that drips water all over the desert south of Bakersfield.

I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.

I really don't care whether you call them "farmers" or "agribusinesses."

And I'm all in favour of reducing the kind of waste you mention - for instance I agree that there are a lot of lawns in a lot of places they shouldn't be and they are managed improperly - but watering lawns is a drop in the bucket next to agricultural and other commercial water use.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.

We NEED agriculture. We kind of need to have food. We DON'T need beautiful green lawns and beautiful green putting greens and deep gre ...



That is a fair point, to an extent. But we do NOT need to grow everything, everywhere, all the time, no matter how much water it takes. And many farms aren't even growing food in the first place.

And residential waste IS a tiny percentage of water use - that this very small percentage is made up of tens of millions of even tinier drops doesn't change that. If you want to use regulatory and police powertoconserve water, your efforts would tend to be better spent on leaks, agricultural use, industrial use, commercial use, public use, reclamation, etc ... household use would be towards the bottom of the priority list (and voluntary restrictions address a good deal of it anyway). Not that there's anything wrong with telling people to knock it off with all the farking lawn watering -- and it simply isn't true to say that this is not done at all -- but it is an odd piece of the puzzle to focus on.
 
2014-02-01 07:47:58 AM  

make me some tea: knbwhite: I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Every little bit helps.


This
I've watched home water use restrictions (water lawns on certain days, etc) go from seasonal to all year long. Restaurants will give you water only if asked. Hotel rooms include cards asking you to consider if you REALLY need clean sheets every day (this is very common in the keys)
I was so severely trained as a child that I am now unable to uncap the toothpaste if the water is still running once the brush is wetted.
And, of course, rain barrels - for when it does rain
Too bad we can't make golf courses out of recycled tires - they do it for playgrounds.
 
2014-02-01 07:56:15 AM  

parasol: make me some tea: knbwhite: I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Every little bit helps.

This
I've watched home water use restrictions (water lawns on certain days, etc) go from seasonal to all year long. Restaurants will give you water only if asked. Hotel rooms include cards asking you to consider if you REALLY need clean sheets every day (this is very common in the keys)
I was so severely trained as a child that I am now unable to uncap the toothpaste if the water is still running once the brush is wetted.
And, of course, rain barrels - for when it does rain
Too bad we can't make golf courses out of recycled tires - they do it for playgrounds.


Too bad golfers are rich. If we could tell golfers to fark off, like poor kids, they'd invent water free ways to play, like poor kids.

Then golf would be fun.
 
2014-02-01 08:06:50 AM  

doglover: parasol: make me some tea: knbwhite: I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Every little bit helps.

This
I've watched home water use restrictions (water lawns on certain days, etc) go from seasonal to all year long. Restaurants will give you water only if asked. Hotel rooms include cards asking you to consider if you REALLY need clean sheets every day (this is very common in the keys)
I was so severely trained as a child that I am now unable to uncap the toothpaste if the water is still running once the brush is wetted.
And, of course, rain barrels - for when it does rain
Too bad we can't make golf courses out of recycled tires - they do it for playgrounds.

Too bad golfers are rich. If we could tell golfers to fark off, like poor kids, they'd invent water free ways to play, like poor kids.

Then golf would be fun.


Astro-Turf. Astro-turf everywhere!
If it's good enough for tennis...

Also, thankyou Warchild. Very appreciated.
 
2014-02-01 08:08:55 AM  

doglover: parasol: make me some tea: knbwhite: I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Every little bit helps.

This
I've watched home water use restrictions (water lawns on certain days, etc) go from seasonal to all year long. Restaurants will give you water only if asked. Hotel rooms include cards asking you to consider if you REALLY need clean sheets every day (this is very common in the keys)
I was so severely trained as a child that I am now unable to uncap the toothpaste if the water is still running once the brush is wetted.
And, of course, rain barrels - for when it does rain
Too bad we can't make golf courses out of recycled tires - they do it for playgrounds.

Too bad golfers are rich. If we could tell golfers to fark off, like poor kids, they'd invent water free ways to play, like poor kids.

Then golf would be fun.



www.aussiegolfer.net
 
2014-02-01 08:10:22 AM  

doglover: parasol: make me some tea: knbwhite: I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Every little bit helps.

This
I've watched home water use restrictions (water lawns on certain days, etc) go from seasonal to all year long. Restaurants will give you water only if asked. Hotel rooms include cards asking you to consider if you REALLY need clean sheets every day (this is very common in the keys)
I was so severely trained as a child that I am now unable to uncap the toothpaste if the water is still running once the brush is wetted.
And, of course, rain barrels - for when it does rain
Too bad we can't make golf courses out of recycled tires - they do it for playgrounds.

Too bad golfers are rich. If we could tell golfers to fark off, like poor kids, they'd invent water free ways to play, like poor kids.

Then golf would be fun.


Now,now - not all golfers are rich - my spouse putts around at a public course and, well, i've told him to fark off once or twice but not because he is a plaid-pant wearing douche (sterotypes are fun tho)

It would be fun to build a water-free course - no ball-washers - water hazards could be changed to something more creative. Sort of a win/lose though - many courses and graveyards support wildlife (not including muscovy ducks which should be on far more dinner plates)
 
2014-02-01 08:22:14 AM  
Meanwhile, in Florida...

signsoflaughter.com

/saw a "caution: road underwater" sign the other day from all the rain we've been getting
 
2014-02-01 08:36:17 AM  
Here's the ironic thing... the reason that California's central valley is so good for farming is because it's pretty much a desert, while soil in the rain-soaked jungles of Brazil is absolutely horrible for farming.  Lack of rain results in nutrients building up in the soil over eons.  Near constant rain, however, results in the soil becoming nearly barren and all the nutrients getting concentrated in the tree tops, not in the soil.  The best places to grow crops tend to be the places with the least water (still need soil, so the Sahara is excluded), while the places with the most rain tend to be the crappiest places to grow crops.
 
2014-02-01 08:45:55 AM  
It may suck for part of the country, but local farmers will be enjoying a little more money.  Glad we don't get fruit, it will just affect our vegetables.
/I pay attention to where our produce comes from//no happy cows either, I get local dairy.
 
2014-02-01 08:49:34 AM  
Greywater systems and cisterns built into all new houses.

If its brown, flush it down, if its yellow, let it mellow.

Rain barrels in every hardware store.

All lawns and golf courses must be xeriscaped, massive surcharge on pools.

That is all.
 
2014-02-01 09:02:18 AM  

Oldiron_79: That Guy Jeff: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe the fact that there's no water TO deliver might be a factor


So get rid of that crap. Let water cost what it actually costs, and you don't have to make any rules about water usage. Suddenly lawns are too expensive, people shut off the water the way they shut off lights, and golf courses go out of business. Best of all, if the cost of water goes up, the usage goes down and the water lasts longer. It's freakin' amazing what letting people see the actual cos ...


This is completely true. The best kind of true.

Unfortunately, the political wrangling and butthurt tears from agriculture (the largest user) would make Benghazi look like Monica-gate. Note that tears are too salty for actual water use or this might be a good solution. We would also go back to fighting water wars and digging through water rights granted from Spanish or English monarchs.

On the plus side, if we have a Dust Bowl, maybe the Okies and Arkies would go back where they came from.

/not all opinions expressed are the author's
 
2014-02-01 09:20:03 AM  

JonBuck: They can't build this desalination plant fast enough. Won't be running for a couple years.


6 years stuck in the permits dept..

Govt regulation at its finest.
 
2014-02-01 09:20:08 AM  
Dear Americans:

Please stop growing fruit in the middle of the f***ing desert and being surprised that it can't happen without massive overhead.

Thanks.
 
2014-02-01 09:25:44 AM  

hlehmann: Here's the ironic thing... the reason that California's central valley is so good for farming is because it's pretty much a desert, while soil in the rain-soaked jungles of Brazil is absolutely horrible for farming.  Lack of rain results in nutrients building up in the soil over eons.  Near constant rain, however, results in the soil becoming nearly barren and all the nutrients getting concentrated in the tree tops, not in the soil.  The best places to grow crops tend to be the places with the least water (still need soil, so the Sahara is excluded), while the places with the most rain tend to be the crappiest places to grow crops.


And yet, bananas are grown in rain forest areas and not in the US.  I don't suspect your science is perfect.

/calling other FARKers on this who would like to bring real science
//MI's berry harvest can be affected by not having enough snow during the winter.
///looking to see how well my backyard strawberries and raspberries are going to do this year.
 
2014-02-01 09:26:38 AM  
As others have said, this summer and the next couple of years are going to be interesting.

On a side note: Is there any chance that this could be used as an opportunity to do some major work on the Sacramento Valley levee system?
 
2014-02-01 09:30:33 AM  

That Guy Jeff: Mister Peejay: Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.

I find it kinda funny (funny "duh" not funny "ha-ha") when people start mumbling about getting water from the Great Lakes.

Ever look at the Great Lakes watershed?  Most of it is in Canada.  That's Canadian water.

Lucky for us Americans, Canadian water is protected by the Canadian military, and our military is more than capable of handling a bunch of drunken horsemen in red coats.


So you're saying if we dressed the Viet Cong or the Taliban in red...

It might just work
 
2014-02-01 09:32:01 AM  

fusillade762: Saw this graph in the paper today:

[planetindistress.files.wordpress.com image 500x147]

CA could be in for another hundred years of this.


NO NO NO it's not cyclical..it's global warming of climate change!
 
2014-02-01 09:35:55 AM  
It's all those illegal aliens. Every week they mail home envelopes of our precious water back to where they came from.

Trust me
 
2014-02-01 09:42:18 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: gingerjet: FTFA where much of the nation's food is grown

Iowa, Nebraska, and Minnesota would like a word with you.

Well they grow the Tomato's you get mid winter etc. Sure the Midwest grows grains but a good bit of that is getting shifted to fuel production to my understanding


Once again, govt controls..
 
2014-02-01 10:30:22 AM  

TenJed_77: Mister Peejay: Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.

I find it kinda funny (funny "duh" not funny "ha-ha") when people start mumbling about getting water from the Great Lakes.

Ever look at the Great Lakes watershed?  Most of it is in Canada.  That's Canadian water.

No most of it is in the states.

[www.epa.gov image 850x748]


And the US already drains every bit it's allowed to by treaty, so Chicago can flush its shiat down the Des Plaines/Kankakee/Illinois Rivers and ruin the Great Lakes fisheries by giving invasive species an easy way to get from the Mississippi to the lakes (but hey, barge traffic!).
 
2014-02-01 10:39:28 AM  

WayToBlue: fark almonds and walnuts, avocados are what matters.


Won't someone save the cannibal women in the avocado jungle of death!
 
2014-02-01 11:04:07 AM  
Thanks to the liberals who have been preventing reservoir construction.
 
2014-02-01 11:06:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.


I bet it wouldn't.  If only there were some way to find out.  Oh yeah, the Googles.

UCLA Institute of Environment and Sustainability:


www.environment.ucla.edu

Urban residential exterior (multi family and single family combined): 6%
Large Landscape 1%
Total: 7% (only a portion of which goes to grass.)

Yeah!  Get rid of those lawns!!!!!  I'm waaaaahhhrrrrrggarrbbllllle!
 
2014-02-01 11:08:15 AM  
I grew up near Folsom Lake and used to spend every other day at Beals Point and Granite Beach as a kid. I thought it was bad in the late 80's and early 90's when we had to walk 1/4 mile to get to the water. Now, just uff.

/miss that area a lot
 
2014-02-01 11:24:20 AM  
Let them eat cake.
 
2014-02-01 11:38:02 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Gyrfalcon: I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.

I bet it wouldn't.  If only there were some way to find out.  Oh yeah, the Googles.

UCLA Institute of Environment and Sustainability:


[www.environment.ucla.edu image 500x335]

Urban residential exterior (multi family and single family combined): 6%
Large Landscape 1%
Total: 7% (only a portion of which goes to grass.)

Yeah!  Get rid of those lawns!!!!!  I'm waaaaahhhrrrrrggarrbbllllle!


You have some sort of agenda going on here?  Gyrfalcon specifically mentions lawns in SoCal, so you go ahead and post a graph of the entire state of California when  right below the same graph you posted from the same link is a graph of lawns in SoCal.

Here... let me re-Google that for you:

www.environment.ucla.edu

Yeah!  Cherry-pick charted information to create a misleading presentation!!!!!  I'm waaaaahhhrrrrrggarrbbllllle!
 
2014-02-01 12:18:30 PM  
Michigan: We'll die of poverty induced starvation before we die of thirst. Suck it, CA.
 
2014-02-01 12:20:25 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Mark Ratner: some_beer_drinker: Mark Ratner: They should start installing these everywhere.
Obscure?

[static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 700x994]

very obscure, obviously. what on earth is that thing?

It's an image from the movie Star Wars. Spock's uncle was a moisture farmer.
/live long and prosper

Ah... Nanu Nanu, Pilgrim


He's full of it. It wasn't Spock's uncle, that's ridiculous. Spock would never wear that hair style.

It was Kirk while he was a gangly whiny teenager always looking for power converters. You know that scene in the first Star Trek movie, the movie that introduces the franchise with the time traveling Klingots, where Kirk is driving the car as a kid? Well his mom got sick of him after that and sent him to live in the arid fields of Iowa on Tattooine. It was John D Kirk's uncle that was the moisture farmer.

Shame about that business with the Starfleet Empire SWAT team killing them all. No knock warrant I guess.
 
2014-02-01 12:46:30 PM  

Mister Peejay: Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.

I find it kinda funny (funny "duh" not funny "ha-ha") when people start mumbling about getting water from the Great Lakes.

Ever look at the Great Lakes watershed?  Most of it is in Canada.  That's Canadian water.


We can just take the water from the U.S. part. ;-)
 
2014-02-01 12:47:45 PM  

ElLoco: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Gyrfalcon: I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.

I bet it wouldn't.  If only there were some way to find out.  Oh yeah, the Googles.

UCLA Institute of Environment and Sustainability:


[www.environment.ucla.edu image 500x335]

Urban residential exterior (multi family and single family combined): 6%
Large Landscape 1%
Total: 7% (only a portion of which goes to grass.)

Yeah!  Get rid of those lawns!!!!!  I'm waaaaahhhrrrrrggarrbbllllle!

You have some sort of agenda going on here?  Gyrfalcon specifically mentions lawns in SoCal, so you go ahead and post a graph of the entire state of California when  right below the same graph you posted from the same link is a graph of lawns in SoCal.

Here... let me re-Google that for you:



Yeah!  Cherry-pick charted information to create a misleading presentation!!!!!  I'm waaaaahhhrrrrrggarrbbllllle!


I can't read that graph very well now that I'm on mobile but the issue at hand here is not enough water for agriculture in the state of California. You can either get your knickers in a twist over a small fraction of the state and come up with a local solution that does precisely jack shiat to address the problem or you can look at water availability on a scale that is germane to the discussion at hand. I chose to look at the data that speaks best to water allocation as it relates to California agriculture. You do whatever the fark you want.
 
2014-02-01 01:15:31 PM  

Charlie Crews' Zen Master: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Mark Ratner: some_beer_drinker: Mark Ratner: They should start installing these everywhere.
Obscure?

[static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 700x994]

very obscure, obviously. what on earth is that thing?

It's an image from the movie Star Wars. Spock's uncle was a moisture farmer.
/live long and prosper

Ah... Nanu Nanu, Pilgrim

He's full of it. It wasn't Spock's uncle, that's ridiculous. Spock would never wear that hair style.

It was Kirk while he was a gangly whiny teenager always looking for power converters. You know that scene in the first Star Trek movie, the movie that introduces the franchise with the time traveling Klingots, where Kirk is driving the car as a kid? Well his mom got sick of him after that and sent him to live in the arid fields of Iowa on Tattooine. It was John D Kirk's uncle that was the moisture farmer.

Shame about that business with the Starfleet Empire SWAT team killing them all. No knock warrant I guess.


WRONG!
You're mistaking it with this movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oMtTPxqJRI
 
2014-02-01 01:23:17 PM  

stirfrybry: http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/drought-in-california-c o ol-pdo-and-warm-amo/

When the PDO is cool (which it is) and the AMO is warm (which it is) drought in California is going to happen.


Pop quiz: What are PDO and AMO?  (your blog sucks and the links are fake)
 
2014-02-01 01:28:16 PM  

parasol: Hotel rooms include cards asking you to consider if you REALLY need clean sheets every day (this is very common in the keys)


Maybe this started in portions of the country with more drought problems, but from what I can tell this is quite common everywhere currently. Well, not that I can really say "everywhere", but at least in the corridor between Chicago-area and the north east.
 
2014-02-01 01:28:26 PM  

Ronin_S: Greywater systems and cisterns built into all new houses.

If its brown, flush it down, if its yellow, let it mellow.

Rain barrels in every hardware store.

All lawns and golf courses must be xeriscaped, massive surcharge on pools.

That is all.


Rain Barrels (or other water retention devices) are illegal in many states. They don't want you storing water for your OWN use, they want the water that falls on YOUR property to be used by *everybody*.
 
2014-02-01 01:33:07 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-01 01:36:04 PM  

GrailOfThunder: Ronin_S: Greywater systems and cisterns built into all new houses.

If its brown, flush it down, if its yellow, let it mellow.

Rain barrels in every hardware store.

All lawns and golf courses must be xeriscaped, massive surcharge on pools.

That is all.

Rain Barrels (or other water retention devices) are illegal in many states. They don't want you storing water for your OWN use, they want the water that falls on YOUR property to be used by *everybody*.


I got around questions regarding my rain barrel by strategic placement of a plant that looks suspiciously like marijuana.
 
2014-02-01 01:55:43 PM  

OnlyM3: Thanks to the liberals who have been preventing reservoir construction.


Reservoirs aren't going to do jack if there's no water to put in them.
 
2014-02-01 01:58:38 PM  

GrailOfThunder: Ronin_S: Greywater systems and cisterns built into all new houses.

If its brown, flush it down, if its yellow, let it mellow.

Rain barrels in every hardware store.

All lawns and golf courses must be xeriscaped, massive surcharge on pools.

That is all.

Rain Barrels (or other water retention devices) are illegal in many states. They don't want you storing water for your OWN use, they want the water that falls on YOUR property to be used by *everybody*.


This is true in Oregon as well, and we don't have drought very often.

People storing rainwater farks up the entire watershed.
Of course, that doesn't stop a single person I know from doing it anyway.
 
2014-02-01 02:01:24 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: OnlyM3: Thanks to the liberals who have been preventing reservoir construction.

Reservoirs aren't going to do jack if there's no water to put in them.


California has plenty of reservoirs.
 
2014-02-01 02:10:25 PM  
Just have to get my Orange juice from Florida then.
 
2014-02-01 02:17:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, blame it on the farmers. It's all their fault that everyone wanted to eat food on the cheap, just like it's the miners in Appalachia's fault everyone wanted power on the cheap.


You're an intelligent person. Go look up who owns most of the agricultural land in California. You'll find that it's the oil companies and the railroads that were given vast swathes of land years ago. Most of that land is not used to produce food; instead they grow cotton in the goddamned desert! California is the number one cotton producing state in the union. Using flood irrigation on a giant sponge, while paying pennies on the dollar for water bought by the acre/foot. Urban usage of water only accounts for 15% of Southern California's total usage. You know who I blame? The government/Big Business crony system. The people in office who enabled these vampire corporations to use up the citizens' resources.
 
2014-02-01 02:21:24 PM  

lucksi: Gyrfalcon: Ha ha.

I'm anxiously awaiting when we get our 50-gal/day mandatory water rationing. We did that during the last really bad drought in 1976ish, IIRC. That was fun. Not. No flush-ie toilet, bathing every other day, no watering lawns...good times. Cannot WAIT for the screaming from the HOAs, though! Watching golf courses get brown & crunchy in the searing So Cal sun...
50  gallons a DAY is rationing to you? What the fark is wrong with you?

A toilet uses 1,5 gallons nowadays or half that with the little flush button.



According to the EPA, the average family of four goes through about 400 gallons per day.
 
2014-02-01 02:27:43 PM  

Ronin_S: Rain barrels in every hardware store.



Several western states have some strict rules concerning rainwater collection.
 
2014-02-01 03:00:50 PM  

make me some tea: Lee Jackson Beauregard: OnlyM3: Thanks to the liberals who have been preventing reservoir construction.

Reservoirs aren't going to do jack if there's no water to put in them.

California has plenty of reservoirs.


Apparently not.  If they had plenty, they wouldn't be out of water would they?
 
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