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2014-02-01 01:19:59 AM  
What's interesting is that Southern California, having been cut off the North and Central Valley regions (where most of the snowfall is) during the last big drought in the 70's, has been hoarding water in good times and stashing it underground storage and reservoirs.  We've also managed to cut our water use in many areas while growing population at the same time.

As such, while Brown declares a state of emergency, San Diego and other SoCal municipalities have no plans for rationing nor forced conservation at the moment.  It's pretty much NorCal and the Central Valley that are farked for a change.
 
2014-02-01 01:20:27 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: JonBuck: They can't build this desalination plant fast enough. Won't be running for a couple years.

IT'S ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME

/FFS, I've been saying for YEARS this was what we needed to do
//and when we had a working nuke powerplant on the coast, we could have built one next door and had the power required right there
///But NOOOoooooo...


Better yet, find a way for the cooling towers to use sea water and collect fresh water from the cooling stacks too.
 
2014-02-01 01:22:11 AM  

Malky: Its almost like scientists havent been warning about this for the last 20 years.


Scientists are corrupted by that sweet, sweet grant money.  Also, Al Gore.
 
2014-02-01 01:23:03 AM  

jaerik: What's interesting is that Southern California, having been cut off the North and Central Valley regions (where most of the snowfall is) during the last big drought in the 70's, has been hoarding water in good times and stashing it underground storage and reservoirs.  We've also managed to cut our water use in many areas while growing population at the same time.

As such, while Brown declares a state of emergency, San Diego and other SoCal municipalities have no plans for rationing nor forced conservation at the moment.  It's pretty much NorCal and the Central Valley that are farked for a change.


You have a point there: the south did make an effort to increase storage that we didn't up here, and that needs to change

/Jerry's plan for the underground Peripheral Canal is likely to be a harder sell now, too
 
2014-02-01 01:23:22 AM  
Oh come on. Let's just drain Shasta and call it good, k?

/jay kay!
//Palm Springs golf courses are still good, yeah?
 
2014-02-01 01:24:03 AM  
FTFA where much of the nation's food is grown

Iowa, Nebraska, and Minnesota would like a word with you.
 
2014-02-01 01:24:29 AM  

RayD8: make me some tea: Yeah, shiat's getting real here. This is Folsom Lake, which is a major part of the water supply for the Sacramento area. I took this pic a couple weekends ago.

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Looks more like a small pond than a lake. That looks pretty farking bad.


The normal water level is up by that line of green. It's at least 100' down, maybe more. I had to walk about a mile from the parking lot "shore" over dry land to get to the water's edge. It's only 20% full now and dropping. They cut the flow to the American River a few weeks ago to mitigate the loss of water. We got a little bit of rain the last couple of days but it's not going to help much.

Here's another view looking the other direction:

fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-02-01 01:26:22 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "Farmers pumped out the groundwater long ago, and massive state and federal water projects keep agriculture going in a place that has otherwise turned to arid and chemical-soaked fields of death."

I'm not 100% convinced that anyone should be sending their water to support agriculture in the arid chemical-soaked fields of death of farmers who long ago destroyed their own water supply.

Yeah, blame it on the farmers. It's all their fault that everyone wanted to eat food on the cheap, just like it's the miners in Appalachia's fault everyone wanted power on the cheap.

You might put some blame on the agribusinesses who run the farms, sparky. The FARMERS knew a few decades ago it was insanity to keep pouring water on the fields--but the agribusinesses needed those rich, creamy water subsidies, which made it more cost-effective to keep dumping water all over the place rather than switching over to less wasteful drip-irrigation systems.

Anyway, most of the extraneous water loss isn't due to agriculture, which is extremely necessary. It's due to the bullshiat big cities like the one I live in, with its nice green lawns, nice green golf courses and parks, and water-wasting fountains, air-chilling plants and leaky infrastructure that drips water all over the desert south of Bakersfield.

I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.


I really don't care whether you call them "farmers" or "agribusinesses."

And I'm all in favour of reducing the kind of waste you mention - for instance I agree that there are a lot of lawns in a lot of places they shouldn't be and they are managed improperly - but watering lawns is a drop in the bucket next to agricultural and other commercial water use.
 
2014-02-01 01:26:42 AM  

make me some tea: RayD8: make me some tea: Yeah, shiat's getting real here. This is Folsom Lake, which is a major part of the water supply for the Sacramento area. I took this pic a couple weekends ago.

[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

Looks more like a small pond than a lake. That looks pretty farking bad.

The normal water level is up by that line of green. It's at least 100' down, maybe more. I had to walk about a mile from the parking lot "shore" over dry land to get to the water's edge. It's only 20% full now and dropping. They cut the flow to the American River a few weeks ago to mitigate the loss of water. We got a little bit of rain the last couple of days but it's not going to help much.

Here's another view looking the other direction:

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 720x540]


Granite Bay view?
 
2014-02-01 01:27:58 AM  
Somewhat off topic but still to do with fruit.

I had a guy here for the last 3 days in Singapore who is from Aberdeen.
Every time we went for lunch all he would eat was copious amounts of fruit.
Stuffing his face with mangoes, papaya, bananas etc.
He reckons fruit is so expensive in Scotland (and shiat quality anyway) that he rarely eats it.
 
2014-02-01 01:29:05 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: make me some tea: RayD8: make me some tea: Yeah, shiat's getting real here. This is Folsom Lake, which is a major part of the water supply for the Sacramento area. I took this pic a couple weekends ago.

[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

Looks more like a small pond than a lake. That looks pretty farking bad.

The normal water level is up by that line of green. It's at least 100' down, maybe more. I had to walk about a mile from the parking lot "shore" over dry land to get to the water's edge. It's only 20% full now and dropping. They cut the flow to the American River a few weeks ago to mitigate the loss of water. We got a little bit of rain the last couple of days but it's not going to help much.

Here's another view looking the other direction:

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 720x540]

Granite Bay view?


Yep. Parked at Beals Point car-park and wandered down. There's a bunch of people out there just milling around and taking it in, it's quite the spectacle.
 
2014-02-01 01:29:30 AM  
There's not much snow in them thar hills.

A coworker was telling me last weekend he was at a ski resort in socal with plenty of man-made snow. So much for conservation, right?
 
2014-02-01 01:29:41 AM  

Urinal Cake Mix: Oh come on. Let's just drain Shasta and call it good, k?



Right now Shasta is below these levels:
www.americansouthwest.net
 
2014-02-01 01:30:31 AM  

gingerjet: FTFA where much of the nation's food is grown

Iowa, Nebraska, and Minnesota would like a word with you.


Well they grow the Tomato's you get mid winter etc. Sure the Midwest grows grains but a good bit of that is getting shifted to fuel production to my understanding
 
2014-02-01 01:30:32 AM  

CipollinaFan: Maybe growing most of the nation's food in a desert was not such a good idea.


You understand that it wasn't really a desert until they dammed the rivers and diverted the water to LA, right?
 
2014-02-01 01:31:31 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Don't worry, things can't be that bad if they're still allowing the oil companies to use what little fresh water we have to flush oil out of the ground.


this.
 
2014-02-01 01:31:48 AM  

RayD8: Somewhat off topic but still to do with fruit.

I had a guy here for the last 3 days in Singapore who is from Aberdeen.



I thought you were headed in another direction with this
 
2014-02-01 01:32:10 AM  
hey guys, everyone should know this.  So my buddy was looking for an intern position for his Engineering degree..

Well at one of his interviews (with a very big defense contractor) it was dropped that they had (as he expressed interest in working on this project) completed a successful desal technique that is so low energy as to end the water crisis.

They're probably going to sit on this for the next decade or two while we all suffer till peak water hits and they can make their killing.
 
2014-02-01 01:33:00 AM  

phlegmmo: Urinal Cake Mix: Oh come on. Let's just drain Shasta and call it good, k?


Right now Shasta is below these levels:
[www.americansouthwest.net image 850x637]


Oof. That's a good hundred feet down from normal too.
 
2014-02-01 01:33:01 AM  

make me some tea: RayD8: make me some tea: Yeah, shiat's getting real here. This is Folsom Lake, which is a major part of the water supply for the Sacramento area. I took this pic a couple weekends ago.

[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

Looks more like a small pond than a lake. That looks pretty farking bad.

The normal water level is up by that line of green. It's at least 100' down, maybe more. I had to walk about a mile from the parking lot "shore" over dry land to get to the water's edge. It's only 20% full now and dropping. They cut the flow to the American River a few weeks ago to mitigate the loss of water. We got a little bit of rain the last couple of days but it's not going to help much.

Here's another view looking the other direction:

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 720x540]


WOW! I think you may be in for a lean time. You will have to shower like the French.(weekly)
 
2014-02-01 01:34:04 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: JonBuck: They can't build this desalination plant fast enough. Won't be running for a couple years.

IT'S ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME

/FFS, I've been saying for YEARS this was what we needed to do
//and when we had a working nuke powerplant on the coast, we could have built one next door and had the power required right there
///But NOOOoooooo...


You can get enough water out of desal to provide for a city's population and avoid the sorts of restrictions which prevent people from showering and flushing but you'd still have brown lawns and there's no way you can irrigate a substantial area of crops.

/Lives Adelaide, South Australia, population a bit over 1 million. We've built our desal plant for drought years which stop the Murray River flowing coz most of our suburban supply comes from there. The irrigators along the Murray are highly efficient with drip systems and all that stuff having gone in over the last 20 years or more but they get their entitlements heavily reduced and eventually completely stopped before they stop diverting river supply to Adelaide, and the desal would only kick in when that looked unsustainable. It's expensive.
 
2014-02-01 01:35:41 AM  

phlegmmo: Urinal Cake Mix: Oh come on. Let's just drain Shasta and call it good, k?


Right now Shasta is below these levels:
[www.americansouthwest.net image 850x637]


When I was a kid Shasta got down far enough to need to take a bus all the way across to the Cave. Normally, it's this little ferry. The houseboat business is sure gonna be dead.
 
2014-02-01 01:35:47 AM  

super_grass: Better yet, find a way for the cooling towers to use sea water and collect fresh water from the cooling stacks too.


No can do. Sea water gets mighty corrosive when enough of the water evaporates, and you don't want cooling pipes to suddenly start falling apart at a nuke plant. You think the bottom rusting out of some tanks in West Virginia was bad....

/and for those blaming fracking, you can't use sea water for that either
//not unless you want to turn all the groundwater to saltwater, at least according to the environmentalists
///not worth the risk, when fracking is only using 0.3% of the total fresh water consumed, anyway
 
2014-02-01 01:36:31 AM  

RayD8: WOW! I think you may be in for a lean time. You will have to shower like the French.(weekly)


I'm from Las Vegas, so I'm no stranger to water issues, but this is entirely different because Sac area isn't accustomed to rationing. They're asking residential customers to cut their water use as much as possible. Shut off water to lawns, take 5min showers, etc. I'm pretty sure it's going to be mandatory soon. This summer is gonna be a biatch unless the pattern changes.
 
2014-02-01 01:38:39 AM  
We'll they can come here and shovel all the snow they want for free to take back home.
/loved the asshats from CA talking shiat in the polar vortex threads.
 
2014-02-01 01:40:45 AM  

phlegmmo: Urinal Cake Mix: Oh come on. Let's just drain Shasta and call it good, k?


Right now Shasta is below these levels:


We drove through last summer on our way to WA and Shasta looked extremely low. I hadn't been through that way in years, so I really had no point of reference.

Here in So Cal, we have this little lake called Mystic Lake (between Moreno Valley and Hemet) that was 'full' when I started working out that way in '06. We just drove by it in December and it is pretty much dried up.
 
2014-02-01 01:41:09 AM  
Don't get too sassy, subby, or a short Polish rapist pedophile may cut your nose with a switchblade.
 
2014-02-01 01:41:13 AM  

mikaloyd: RayD8: Somewhat off topic but still to do with fruit.

I had a guy here for the last 3 days in Singapore who is from Aberdeen.


I thought you were headed in another direction with this


Nice one. Although the fact you got something from the first 2 sentences tells me you may be feeling a bit fruity?
 
2014-02-01 01:41:20 AM  

bromah: hey guys, everyone should know this.  So my buddy was looking for an intern position for his Engineering degree..

Well at one of his interviews (with a very big defense contractor) it was dropped that they had (as he expressed interest in working on this project) completed a successful desal technique that is so low energy as to end the water crisis.

They're probably going to sit on this for the next decade or two while we all suffer till peak water hits and they can make their killing.


I'm not saying your story sounds like bullshiat, but you're story sounds like bullshiat
 
2014-02-01 01:42:54 AM  
Bakersfield will go from post-apocalyptic hellscape with ravenous bands of barbarians to a post-apocalyptic hellscape with ravenous bands of thirsty barbarians. I'll probably read about the difference before I notice it.
 
2014-02-01 01:43:28 AM  

make me some tea: RayD8: WOW! I think you may be in for a lean time. You will have to shower like the French.(weekly)

I'm from Las Vegas, so I'm no stranger to water issues, but this is entirely different because Sac area isn't accustomed to rationing. They're asking residential customers to cut their water use as much as possible. Shut off water to lawns, take 5min showers, etc. I'm pretty sure it's going to be mandatory soon. This summer is gonna be a biatch unless the pattern changes.


Oh, rationing isn't new to Sac by any means

/have we reached "brick in the toilet and only flush solids" stage yet?
 
2014-02-01 01:43:43 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe the fact that there's no water TO deliver might be a factor

/reservoirs ain't lookin' too good around here
//and damn little snow up top
///this is gonna suck hard come Summer


Yeah.  It sounds like they should have taken action earlier.

Gyrfalcon: You might put some blame on the agribusinesses who run the farms, sparky. The FARMERS knew a few decades ago it was insanity to keep pouring water on the fields--but the agribusinesses needed those rich, creamy water subsidies, which made it more cost-effective to keep dumping water all over the place rather than switching over to less wasteful drip-irrigation systems.


This.  Charge the same price to all users and we wouldn't be hitting the wall like this now.
 
2014-02-01 01:44:35 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Wait until they find out about Lake Meade.

Maybe they should move to where the food is.


There are several states that get water from the Colorado river basin.  I'm pretty sure Cal agriculture gets the most.  It all begins on the western slope of the rockies and flows into Lakes Powell, Mead, and several others.  Lots of political stuff with decades old agreements between the states and now Mexico too.  I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.  Not sure who was supposed to have said it, but he may have lungs full of salt water too.  Very bad for glass.

I check out this site from time to time to see how things are with the snowpack and lake levels.

 http://www.water-data.com/
 
2014-02-01 01:45:09 AM  

ladodger34: phlegmmo: Urinal Cake Mix: Oh come on. Let's just drain Shasta and call it good, k?


Right now Shasta is below these levels:

We drove through last summer on our way to WA and Shasta looked extremely low. I hadn't been through that way in years, so I really had no point of reference.

Here in So Cal, we have this little lake called Mystic Lake (between Moreno Valley and Hemet) that was 'full' when I started working out that way in '06. We just drove by it in December and it is pretty much dried up.


I know Mystic Lake. Haven't been out that way in over 10 years, but that used to be a pretty good-sized.
 
2014-02-01 01:45:55 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Don't worry, things can't be that bad if they're still allowing the oil companies to use what little fresh water we have to flush oil out of the ground.


Oil companies have a lot more money to, uh, "donate."


Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.



No worries you've got a few decades before things get shooty.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-01 01:48:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: make me some tea: RayD8: WOW! I think you may be in for a lean time. You will have to shower like the French.(weekly)

I'm from Las Vegas, so I'm no stranger to water issues, but this is entirely different because Sac area isn't accustomed to rationing. They're asking residential customers to cut their water use as much as possible. Shut off water to lawns, take 5min showers, etc. I'm pretty sure it's going to be mandatory soon. This summer is gonna be a biatch unless the pattern changes.

Oh, rationing isn't new to Sac by any means

/have we reached "brick in the toilet and only flush solids" stage yet?


We still get plenty of fog, it might be time to invest in moisture collection systems.
 
2014-02-01 01:48:25 AM  

make me some tea: RayD8: WOW! I think you may be in for a lean time. You will have to shower like the French.(weekly)

I'm from Las Vegas, so I'm no stranger to water issues, but this is entirely different because Sac area isn't accustomed to rationing. They're asking residential customers to cut their water use as much as possible. Shut off water to lawns, take 5min showers, etc. I'm pretty sure it's going to be mandatory soon. This summer is gonna be a biatch unless the pattern changes.


I'm originally from Western Australia. There has been water restrictions in place there for most summers as far back as I can remember.
Reservoir levels have been at 15-20% for years.
Australia is in the midst of a terrible heat wave as we speak, so no relief in sight.
Globally, things are going to get worse.
 
2014-02-01 01:49:29 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe the fact that there's no water TO deliver might be a factor

/reservoirs ain't lookin' too good around here
//and damn little snow up top
///this is gonna suck hard come Summer


You live in California; be honest, it sucks in Spring, Fall, and Winter too.

Gyrfalcon:
I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.

The answer: more than enough. It's farking stupid that people have lawns in deserts. And golf courses, being giant lawns, are the worst. They have both of them out here in Arizona too, which is extra stupid.

I've got a better solution though, that won't end up with  SWAT teams being used for code enforcement required. Simply stop subsidizing the cost of water. You see, I don't conserve water at all. I leave the sink running while I brush my teeth, I run the dishwasher as many times I need to, I take long showers. And the water usage part of my bill every month is $2. Literally $2. I could use ten times as much water as I do every month and the bill would still be negligible. There's absolutely no incentive to save water.

Now, I live in a freakin desert. There's no way the water I use actually costs $2. Somewhere along the line some asshat in the government decided to encourage growth or "help" the poor or more likely just wanted to play golf, and now water usage isn't remotely related to water costs. There's no reason not to use as much as you want, and all us jerks can have lawns and long showers and golf courses right up until nothing comes out of the tap.

So get rid of that crap. Let water cost what it actually costs, and you don't have to make any rules about water usage. Suddenly lawns are too expensive, people shut off the water the way they shut off lights, and golf courses go out of business. Best of all, if the cost of water goes up, the usage goes down and the water lasts longer. It's freakin' amazing what letting people see the actual cost of their stuff will do. And, as an extra bonus, you don't have to make any new rules to enforce. No SWAT raids for water violations, no spying on you to see your usage, no drones checking your swimming pool, none of that. Just plain simply economics to fix the problem. That's what we need in Arizona, and that's what you need in California.
 
2014-02-01 01:51:03 AM  
Maybe less golf courses, artificial lakes in housing communities, public fountains and water parks will help...

Don't be like AZ, guys, it's not cool. You out in a water waster like the fountain in Fountain Hills, and you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.

Thus also serves as a reminder that people have to quit complaining when it rains(or snows in the high country), and you also have to stop cheering when spring come quickly, that snowmelt has to disappear at a FL fairly consistent rate to keep the reservoirs full all summer, mementos fast, and the extra just washes down the river.
 
2014-02-01 01:51:12 AM  

knbwhite: I can't find it, but a local columnist got a quote from a higher up in the Southern Nevada Water Administration who said if we stopped watering every single yard in the vegas valley it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.


Every little bit helps.
 
2014-02-01 01:51:43 AM  

Mister Peejay: Nexzus: As a citizen of the country north of the USA, incidentally containing 20% of the world's fresh water and .5% of the world's population: every time I hear about another water shortage in our neighbours to the south, I get a tiny bit more nervous.

This shiat only seems to be getting worse. People will biatch and moan and make-do over super-expensive or no oil. They may get shooty if you do the same with water.

I find it kinda funny (funny "duh" not funny "ha-ha") when people start mumbling about getting water from the Great Lakes.

Ever look at the Great Lakes watershed?  Most of it is in Canada.  That's Canadian water.


Lucky for us Americans, Canadian water is protected by the Canadian military, and our military is more than capable of handling a bunch of drunken horsemen in red coats.
 
2014-02-01 01:53:55 AM  

RayD8: I'm originally from Western Australia. There has been water restrictions in place there for most summers as far back as I can remember.
Reservoir levels have been at 15-20% for years.
Australia is in the midst of a terrible heat wave as we speak, so no relief in sight.
Globally, things are going to get worse.


Ugh. Yeah I've been following the news on that...

I just moved to California from NYC a few months ago but people were telling me that last summer here broke a bunch of heat records (117F). Lovely... I'm gonna have to buy an AC unit for the place from the looks of it.
 
2014-02-01 01:54:55 AM  

That Guy Jeff: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe the fact that there's no water TO deliver might be a factor

/reservoirs ain't lookin' too good around here
//and damn little snow up top
///this is gonna suck hard come Summer

You live in California; be honest, it sucks in Spring, Fall, and Winter too.

Gyrfalcon:
I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.

The answer: more than enough. It's farking stupid that people have lawns in deserts. And golf courses, being giant lawns, are the worst. They have both of them out here in Arizona too, which is extra stupid.

I've got a better solution though, that won't end up with  SWAT teams being used for code enforcement required. Simply stop subsidizing the cost of water. You see, I don't conserve water at all. I leave the sink running while I brush my teeth, I run the dishwasher as many times I need to, I take long showers. And the water usage part of my bill every month is $2. Literally $2. I could use ten times as much water as I do every month and the bill would still be negligible. There's absolutely no incentive to save water.

Now, I live in a freakin desert. There's no way the water I use actually costs $2. Somewhere along the line some asshat in the government decided to encourage growth or "help" the poor or more likely just wanted to play golf, and now water usage isn't remotely related to water costs. There's no reason not to use as much as you want, and all us jerks can have lawns and long showers and golf courses right up until nothing comes out of the tap.

So get rid of that crap. Let water cost what it actually costs, and you don't have to make any rules about water usage. Suddenly lawns are too expensive, people shut off the water the way they shut off lights, and golf courses go out of business. Best of all, if the cost of water goes up, the usage goes down and the water lasts longer. It's freakin' amazing what letting people see the actual cost of their stuff will do. And, as an extra bonus, you don't have to make any new rules to enforce. No SWAT raids for water violations, no spying on you to see your usage, no drones checking your swimming pool, none of that. Just plain simply economics to fix the problem. That's what we need in Arizona, and that's what you need in California.


But no one wants the actual free market. The (R) s want to play golf with the money they get in kickbacks from the subsidized water companies and the (D) s want to send the SWAT team in on you and spy on you with drones because they are Stalinist Statists.
 
2014-02-01 01:57:00 AM  
talk about whiny privileged californians...it's like less than a buck at 7-11 for a HUGE bottle of the stuff. get over yourselves.
 
2014-02-01 01:59:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Wait until they find out about Lake Meade.

Maybe they should move to where the food is.


There's an entire lake made out of mead!?.
 
2014-02-01 01:59:34 AM  
RayD8:...
I'm originally from Western Australia. There has been water restrictions in place there for most summers as far back as I can remember.
Reservoir levels have been at 15-20% for years.
Australia is in the midst of a terrible heat wave as we speak, so no relief in sight.
Globally, things are going to get worse.


Western Australia is in a bad way waterwise. Economy is otherwise booming but the annual rainfall to the south-west corner of WA (which is where most of the population is) dropped from about the mid 1970s and just never came back.

The heat is on in Australia's south-east (that's a whole lot of desert away from Western Australia) but its not drought condtions currently. Big drought ended a few years ago.
 
2014-02-01 02:01:41 AM  

CygnusDarius: Marcus Aurelius: Wait until they find out about Lake Meade.

Maybe they should move to where the food is.

There's an entire lake made out of mead!?.


Yes, but I wouldn't recommend drinking it. It'll fark you up.
 
2014-02-01 02:03:04 AM  

make me some tea: RayD8: I'm originally from Western Australia. There has been water restrictions in place there for most summers as far back as I can remember.
Reservoir levels have been at 15-20% for years.
Australia is in the midst of a terrible heat wave as we speak, so no relief in sight.
Globally, things are going to get worse.

Ugh. Yeah I've been following the news on that...

I just moved to California from NYC a few months ago but people were telling me that last summer here broke a bunch of heat records (117F). Lovely... I'm gonna have to buy an AC unit for the place from the looks of it.


I'm in Singapore. Average 28-32 celcius but humidity around 80%.
Could not live without AC.
 
2014-02-01 02:03:29 AM  

Oldiron_79: That Guy Jeff: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe the fact that there's no water TO deliver might be a factor

/reservoirs ain't lookin' too good around here
//and damn little snow up top
///this is gonna suck hard come Summer

You live in California; be honest, it sucks in Spring, Fall, and Winter too.

Gyrfalcon:
I wonder how much water would be saved if we banned lawns--and ONLY lawns--in So Cal. I bet it would be a lot.

The answer: more than enough. It's farking stupid that people have lawns in deserts. And golf courses, being giant lawns, are the worst. They have both of them out here in Arizona too, which is extra stupid.

I've got a better solution though, that won't end up with  SWAT teams being used for code enforcement required. Simply stop subsidizing the cost of water. You see, I don't conserve water at all. I leave the sink running while I brush my teeth, I run the dishwasher as many times I need to, I take long showers. And the water usage part of my bill every month is $2. Literally $2. I could use ten times as much water as I do every month and the bill would still be negligible. There's absolutely no incentive to save water.

Now, I live in a freakin desert. There's no way the water I use actually costs $2. Somewhere along the line some asshat in the government decided to encourage growth or "help" the poor or more likely just wanted to play golf, and now water usage isn't remotely related to water costs. There's no reason not to use as much as you want, and all us jerks can have lawns and long showers and golf courses right up until nothing comes out of the tap.

So get rid of that crap. Let water cost what it actually costs, and you don't have to make any rules about water usage. Suddenly lawns are too expensive, people shut off the water the way they shut off lights, and golf courses go out of business. Best of all, if the cost of water goes up, the usage goes down and the water lasts longer. It's freakin' amazing what letting people see the actual cos ...


I'm pretty sure playing golf at the expense of the taxpayer and putting the boot to as many people as you can stuff in prison is non-partisan. It's "the people spending taxpayer money/making money from the prison system" vs "the taxpayer/possible future participants in the prison system", not left vs right.
 
2014-02-01 02:05:56 AM  

RayD8: make me some tea: RayD8: I'm originally from Western Australia. There has been water restrictions in place there for most summers as far back as I can remember.
Reservoir levels have been at 15-20% for years.
Australia is in the midst of a terrible heat wave as we speak, so no relief in sight.
Globally, things are going to get worse.

Ugh. Yeah I've been following the news on that...

I just moved to California from NYC a few months ago but people were telling me that last summer here broke a bunch of heat records (117F). Lovely... I'm gonna have to buy an AC unit for the place from the looks of it.

I'm in Singapore. Average 28-32 celcius but humidity around 80%.
Could not live without AC.


Yuck, that was summers in New York, and yes we ran AC all summer as a matter of survival. Our landlord here told us we probably won't need AC but I have serious doubts about that.
 
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