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(WPBF West Palm Beach)   Man leaves firearms safety class, clearly didn't learn enough because the next stop was the emergency room   ( wpbf.com) divider line
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2014-01-31 07:52:59 PM  
Florida / yankee / retard people problems.
 
2014-01-31 08:43:41 PM  
 
2014-01-31 08:50:39 PM  
I don't have a problem with firearms.  I have a problem with idiots with firearms.
 
2014-01-31 08:53:44 PM  
And if thy leg offend thee, shoot it off and cast it aside.
 
2014-01-31 09:01:16 PM  
A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.
 
2014-01-31 09:04:28 PM  
Glass half full. Just imagine what he would have shot WITHOUT the safety training.
 
Poe
2014-01-31 09:07:43 PM  
I have been tought many different safety rules by various people over the years, but I prefer my father's simplified version:

All guns are loaded. All safeties are broken.

Treat those two statements as facts and you won't have any problems.
 
2014-01-31 09:07:55 PM  
Reminds me of a Private Eye cartoon showing two skinheads lying in wait for people to exit a self-defense class via an alley doorway: One skinhead is crowing "It's a doddle to get them when they're knackered." or words to that effect. In other words, the defense classes make them tired and easy pickings for the thugs.

Oh, the sad ironies of life.
 
2014-01-31 09:09:56 PM  
He was one lesson away from being a responsible gun owner.
 
2014-01-31 09:11:30 PM  
www.wpbf.com

That is the worst photoshop I've seen since the Canadian family was given a black dad who still had a white hand.

Also, is this the thread where people come to be superior about not owning a gun/being from Florida?
 
2014-01-31 09:13:15 PM  
FTA: "Morkert said he removed the magazine and was manipulating the slide when the gun discharged."

Sounds like he was manipulating the trigger too. Back to class!


iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.


Glocks are fine, but they're particularly unforgiving if you don't follow the rules. A Glock's DA is usually pretty light too (compared to a DA/SA for instance).
 
2014-01-31 09:16:51 PM  

Poe: I have been tought many different safety rules by various people over the years, but I prefer my father's simplified version:

All guns are loaded. All safeties are broken.

Treat those two statements as facts and you won't have any problems.



Yep.  Especially as the Einstein in the article removed the magazine (good)...then proceeded to play with the slide--without checking the chamber first (not so good)......
 
2014-01-31 09:17:20 PM  

2wolves: I don't have a problem with firearms.  I have a problem with idiots with firearms.


Licensing requirements are TeH Soshulisms. Any retard with enough money should be able to own massive amounts of firepower because Jesus!
 
2014-01-31 09:19:06 PM  

pyrotek85: FTA: "Morkert said he removed the magazine and was manipulating the slide when the gun discharged."

Sounds like he was manipulating the trigger too. Back to class!

Probably holding the gun with his finger on the trigger, while playing with the slide.

 
2014-01-31 09:20:50 PM  

pyrotek85: FTA: "Morkert said he removed the magazine and was manipulating the slide when the gun discharged."

Sounds like he was manipulating the trigger too. Back to class!


iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.

Glocks are fine, but they're particularly unforgiving if you don't follow the rules. A Glock's DA is usually pretty light too (compared to a DA/SA for instance).


I know plenty of people who use and like glocks. And, I agree, don't follow the rules with a glock; you're asking for trouble.

I, personally, think they just don't feel right. The right gun should feel like it's an extension of your hand.
 
2014-01-31 09:20:59 PM  
Another responsible gun owner! Go 2nd!
 
2014-01-31 09:24:16 PM  

hiker9999: Yep.  Especially as the Einstein in the article removed the magazine (good)...then proceeded to play with the slide--without checking the chamber first (not so good)......


Yeah, he might have tried to dry fire it too but got the steps backwards (rack the slide then remove the mag) so he would have seen a round eject but it would have loaded a new one from the mag. That's why you check the chamber, and even then, you make sure it's pointed in a safe direction.
 
2014-01-31 09:26:07 PM  

iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE&feature=feedu
 
2014-01-31 09:27:17 PM  

gopher321: Florida / yankee / retard people problems.


Or the cop teaching a class on gun safety that shoots himself?
 
2014-01-31 09:28:24 PM  
*so very, very tempted to Homer this*

Stupid student. Stupid instructor. Stupid state.

www.reactiongifs.us
 
2014-01-31 09:28:24 PM  

iheartscotch: I know plenty of people who use and like glocks. And, I agree, don't follow the rules with a glock; you're asking for trouble.

I, personally, think they just don't feel right. The right gun should feel like it's an extension of your hand.


Yeah I've still got one but I prefer the CZ75 now too.
 
2014-01-31 09:31:12 PM  
But after the emergency room visit he decided to treat himself to a fancy meal at the Waffle House, so he's got that going for him.
 
2014-01-31 09:31:37 PM  
Surely some other law-abiding citizen hero with a gun could have stopped this tragedy. THIS is what an unarmed society gets you, libs.
 
2014-01-31 09:33:37 PM  

Molavian: iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE&feature=feedu


Except; I don't have a large, distracting hat. Plus, why would you run around with the hammer back in a 1911? It can't be fired with the hammer forward. Plus, I've practiced trigger discipline since I was 8.

/ not that accidents don't happen; but, accidents can be avoided with a little OCD
 
2014-01-31 09:37:20 PM  

iheartscotch
2014-01-31 09:01:16 PM


A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.

Does the safety on your version of a 1911 prevent the trigger from being pulled while you clear the chamber?

You have no farking clue what your talking about.

The guy in this story is an r-tard, but your claiming a 1911 would prevent this is just as stupid.
 
2014-01-31 09:45:08 PM  

OnlyM3: iheartscotch
2014-01-31 09:01:16 PM


A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.
Does the safety on your version of a 1911 prevent the trigger from being pulled while you clear the chamber?

You have no farking clue what your talking about.

The guy in this story is an r-tard, but your claiming a 1911 would prevent this is just as stupid.


I never claimed that a 1911 would have prevented what happened. I guess I've never tried to pull the trigger and clear a firearm at the same time.

I'm just saying that I don't particularly like glocks; they're just not a gun you give to someone as their first gun.

They are a fine example of good mechanics and are just about indestructible; but, they aren't intended for amateurs.
 
2014-01-31 09:46:10 PM  
Plus, why would you run around with the hammer back in a 1911?

???? Are you advocating carrying with an empty chamber or trying to drop the hammer on a cocked 1911? Because either one of those options is stupid.
 
2014-01-31 09:49:42 PM  

drewogatory: Plus, why would you run around with the hammer back in a 1911?

???? Are you advocating carrying with an empty chamber or trying to drop the hammer on a cocked 1911? Because either one of those options is stupid.


No, only the second is.
You're entitled to your opinion. May it never bite you in the ass/leg/peen/nuts.
 
2014-01-31 09:50:48 PM  

drewogatory: Plus, why would you run around with the hammer back in a 1911?

???? Are you advocating carrying with an empty chamber or trying to drop the hammer on a cocked 1911? Because either one of those options is stupid.


You've never manually lowered a hammer on a 1911? There's a pretty prominent safety feature on 1911s called the half cocked position. The gun will not fire with the hammer in the half cocked position. It's pretty heavily documented how to do it.
 
2014-01-31 09:56:24 PM  
He thinks of the weapon as some kind of cool toy to be admired and played with.

He can't even wait to get home to play with it. He has to pull over on the side of the road to fiddle with it. Just a kid with a new toy.

Just lucky the bullet hit him and not someone walking by.
 
2014-01-31 09:57:11 PM  
pyrotek85

Glocks are fine, but they're particularly unforgiving if you don't follow the rules. A Glock's DA is usually pretty light too (compared to a DA/SA for instance).

Where the fark to you people get your info. First off you're comparing apples to oranges.

First, Glocks are not SA or DA so comparing them to either is unfair, ignorant or both.
Second they aren't some cat-fart trigger as you imply.

The Glock 42 for instance has a Trigger Pull: ~25 N / ~5.5 lbs.
Glock 17 also lists Trigger Pull: ~2.5 kg / ~5.5 lbs

Springfield XD 45 shows a 5.5 - 6lb pull


Smith & Wesson M&P .40 lists a 6 - 6.5 lb pull


.5 - 1 pound is not the issue. The machine is not at fault, it's some idiot doing something stupid. It's fine you dislike glocks. I'm not a fan of them myself, but there is nothing mechanically wrong with them.
 
2014-01-31 10:00:19 PM  

OnlyM3: pyrotek85

Glocks are fine, but they're particularly unforgiving if you don't follow the rules. A Glock's DA is usually pretty light too (compared to a DA/SA for instance).
Where the fark to you people get your info. First off you're comparing apples to oranges.

First, Glocks are not SA or DA so comparing them to either is unfair, ignorant or both.
Second they aren't some cat-fart trigger as you imply.

The Glock 42 for instance has a Trigger Pull: ~25 N / ~5.5 lbs.
Glock 17 also lists Trigger Pull: ~2.5 kg / ~5.5 lbs

Springfield XD 45 shows a 5.5 - 6lb pull


Smith & Wesson M&P .40 lists a 6 - 6.5 lb pull


.5 - 1 pound is not the issue. The machine is not at fault, it's some idiot doing something stupid. It's fine you dislike glocks. I'm not a fan of them myself, but there is nothing mechanically wrong with them.


You mad bro?
 
2014-01-31 10:00:55 PM  

iheartscotch: drewogatory: Plus, why would you run around with the hammer back in a 1911?

???? Are you advocating carrying with an empty chamber or trying to drop the hammer on a cocked 1911? Because either one of those options is stupid.

You've never manually lowered a hammer on a 1911? There's a pretty prominent safety feature on 1911s called the half cocked position. The gun will not fire with the hammer in the half cocked position. It's pretty heavily documented how to do it.


IMO, if you choose to pull the farking trigger on a 1911 with a round in the chamber it had better be on the firing line.
 
Poe
2014-01-31 10:04:50 PM  
The 1911 was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber, hammer back, and the manual safety engaged, ie "cocked and locked." With the presence of a grip safety in addition to the very positive and visible manual safety, it is about as safe as any other gun on the hands of someone who knows it's idiosyncrasies.
 
2014-01-31 10:08:22 PM  

drewogatory: iheartscotch: drewogatory: Plus, why would you run around with the hammer back in a 1911?

???? Are you advocating carrying with an empty chamber or trying to drop the hammer on a cocked 1911? Because either one of those options is stupid.

You've never manually lowered a hammer on a 1911? There's a pretty prominent safety feature on 1911s called the half cocked position. The gun will not fire with the hammer in the half cocked position. It's pretty heavily documented how to do it.

IMO, if you choose to pull the farking trigger on a 1911 with a round in the chamber it had better be on the firing line.


I agree that you don't just go pointing a 1911 anywhere and manually lowering the trigger; but, once you get used to doing it, it's not hard. You're not gonna let your 10 year old do it; however.
 
2014-01-31 10:13:25 PM  

skankboy: OnlyM3: pyrotek85

Glocks are fine, but they're particularly unforgiving if you don't follow the rules. A Glock's DA is usually pretty light too (compared to a DA/SA for instance).
Where the fark to you people get your info. First off you're comparing apples to oranges.

First, Glocks are not SA or DA so comparing them to either is unfair, ignorant or both.
Second they aren't some cat-fart trigger as you imply.

The Glock 42 for instance has a Trigger Pull: ~25 N / ~5.5 lbs.
Glock 17 also lists Trigger Pull: ~2.5 kg / ~5.5 lbs

Springfield XD 45 shows a 5.5 - 6lb pull


Smith & Wesson M&P .40 lists a 6 - 6.5 lb pull


.5 - 1 pound is not the issue. The machine is not at fault, it's some idiot doing something stupid. It's fine you dislike glocks. I'm not a fan of them myself, but there is nothing mechanically wrong with them.

You mad bro?


Oh he's mad.

Glocks technically are DA, but not in the same sense as a revolver or semi with an external hammer, but that's besides the point. What I was saying is that the trigger pull isn't heavy like in a DA/SA gun or a revolver, where the DA is closer to 10 lbs. The 5ish lbs is light for something that doesn't have a manual safety, it's very easy to pull the trigger by reflex without meaning to, which is why you keep your finger off it. That was my point.
 
2014-01-31 10:17:26 PM  

iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.


well, thats ok, because the glock is a single-action with an external safety. educate yourself before you spout off like a farkin' idiot.
 
2014-01-31 10:19:24 PM  

iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.


Please, please keep trying.
 
2014-01-31 10:28:49 PM  

itsaidwhat: Glass half full. Just imagine what he would have shot WITHOUT the safety training.


Himself dead?
 
2014-01-31 10:35:45 PM  
iheartscotch

>>> OnlyM3: iheartscotch
>>> A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911
.
Does the safety on your version of a 1911 prevent the trigger from being pulled while you clear the chamber?

You have no farking clue what your talking about.

The guy in this story is an r-tard, but your claiming a 1911 would prevent this is just as stupid.

I never claimed that a 1911 would have prevented what happened.

Really? So your "Glock, yes it's a glock" then saying you never shot yourself w/ a 1911 didn't mean what it says?

This accident had nothing to do w/ make/model and everything to do with the idiot not following the very simple rule of not pointing it at people.
 
2014-01-31 10:36:13 PM  
I agree that you don't just go pointing a 1911 anywhere and manually lowering the trigger; but, once you get used to doing it, it's not hard.

This is a bad,bad practice. The half cock notch is only there to catch the hammer in the event the sear disconnects accidentally. It is not an additional manual safety.
 
2014-01-31 10:36:49 PM  

Livingroom: iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.

well, thats ok, because the glock is a single-action with an external safety. educate yourself before you spout off like a farkin' idiot.


Ok, you got me; the trigger safety and the little beaver tail thing are on the outside. I'm not sure the glock would qualify as single action as that would require a hammer; and it wouldn't go off till the hammer went back.
 
2014-01-31 10:38:37 PM  

pyrotek85

You mad bro?
No, simply tired of stupid and ignorant and you're both.

it's very easy to pull the trigger by reflex without meaning to,

No, it's a lonnng 5-6lb pull. Something that requires deliberate action on the part of the handler. This has nothing to do with the make/model. It all rests on the user.
 
2014-01-31 10:39:44 PM  

iheartscotch: Livingroom: iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.

well, thats ok, because the glock is a single-action with an external safety. educate yourself before you spout off like a farkin' idiot.

Ok, you got me; the trigger safety and the little beaver tail thing are on the outside. I'm not sure the glock would qualify as single action as that would require a hammer; and it wouldn't go off till the hammer went back.


sorry, dealing with idiots tonight and i blew up on you.

technically i'm wrong too. its called "safe action" because it's neither SA/DA. also, the glock doesnt have the beavertail safety that the springfield does. the "safety" is a plastic wedge that allows the trigger to be pulled but only when your finger is on the trigger.

ultimately, upthread i read someone say that a glock isnt for amatuers. i tend to agree, my first "real gun" was a Star model BKM (9mm 1911 clone from spain) it was an excellent beginner gun, even with a magazine disconnect that prevented the gun from firing if the mag was out.

but generally i'd recommend any number of guns over the glock for a "first gun" - unless it's a woman, because women listen if you give them good instruction, where a man is all "I'VE GOT A PENIS SO I KNOW HOW TO RUN A GUN, BRO"
 
2014-01-31 10:44:37 PM  
Police took possession of the gun.

See? They really ARE after our guns!
 
2014-01-31 10:52:22 PM  

OnlyM3: pyrotek85

You mad bro? No, simply tired of stupid and ignorant and you're both.

it's very easy to pull the trigger by reflex without meaning to,
No, it's a lonnng 5-6lb pull. Something that requires deliberate action on the part of the handler. This has nothing to do with the make/model. It all rests on the user.


Relax I agree with you, I'm not blaming the gun. You can drop the insults. Whether we think the 5-6lb pull is long or not is subjective. It's certainly shorter than 10-11 lb, which again was my point when comparing it to some other guns. Which is all ultimately irrelevant because his finger was on the trigger when it shouldn't have been. I have little doubt that he'd have made the same mistake with a different gun, he had poor handling.

Livingroom: technically i'm wrong too. its called "safe action" because it's neither SA/DA.


Strictly speaking it could be considered a DA because two things happen when you pull the trigger, the striker is pulled back and then released. But it doesn't allow for a second strike with a second trigger pull either, and you can't cock the striker manually like an external hammer. So yeah 'safe action' as they call it is most appropriate because calling it something else can be confusing if you're familiar with firearms but not this model in particular.
 
2014-01-31 10:54:29 PM  

pyrotek85: OnlyM3: pyrotek85

You mad bro? No, simply tired of stupid and ignorant and you're both.

it's very easy to pull the trigger by reflex without meaning to,
No, it's a lonnng 5-6lb pull. Something that requires deliberate action on the part of the handler. This has nothing to do with the make/model. It all rests on the user.

Relax I agree with you, I'm not blaming the gun. You can drop the insults. Whether we think the 5-6lb pull is long or not is subjective. It's certainly shorter than 10-11 lb, which again was my point when comparing it to some other guns. Which is all ultimately irrelevant because his finger was on the trigger when it shouldn't have been. I have little doubt that he'd have made the same mistake with a different gun, he had poor handling.

Livingroom: technically i'm wrong too. its called "safe action" because it's neither SA/DA.

Strictly speaking it could be considered a DA because two things happen when you pull the trigger, the striker is pulled back and then released. But it doesn't allow for a second strike with a second trigger pull either, and you can't cock the striker manually like an external hammer. So yeah 'safe action' as they call it is most appropriate because calling it something else can be confusing if you're familiar with firearms but not this model in particular.


to be fair, i replace my stock disconnectors with 3.5lb bars, because i like rapid snappy followup shots. i think the initial pull is still 5lb, but with a 3.5 you can bumpfire-tripletap and have a sub-.5" pattern at 7yds.
 
2014-01-31 10:56:22 PM  

OnlyM3: Really? So your "Glock, yes it's a glock" then saying you never shot yourself w/ a 1911 didn't mean what it says?

This accident had nothing to do w/ make/model and everything to do with the idiot not following the very simple rule of not pointing it at people


Hmm.
Let's turn to google.
"1911 leg" -holster             16,100 results
"Glock leg" -holster        1,120,000 results
"Glock manual safety"       223,000 results

Then there's the whole "pull trigger to disassemble" thing.

Hmm.
No problem with the product, you say?

Maybe so, but is sure as fark seems to open up an entirely new field of endeavor for operator headspace errors, now doesn't it?
 
2014-01-31 11:04:23 PM  
"Firearm safety" is like "four wheel drive". It doesn't allow you to be careless; you still need to be super careful and vigilant when using dangerous items.
 
2014-01-31 11:05:44 PM  

Livingroom: to be fair, i replace my stock disconnectors with 3.5lb bars, because i like rapid snappy followup shots. i think the initial pull is still 5lb, but with a 3.5 you can bumpfire-tripletap and have a sub-.5" pattern at 7yds.


That's an important point actually, different users will adjust the trigger pull to their liking, so you can make it quite light, or very heavy like the NYPD does.

demaL-demaL-yeH: OnlyM3: Really? So your "Glock, yes it's a glock" then saying you never shot yourself w/ a 1911 didn't mean what it says?

This accident had nothing to do w/ make/model and everything to do with the idiot not following the very simple rule of not pointing it at people

Hmm.
Let's turn to google.
"1911 leg" -holster             16,100 results
"Glock leg" -holster        1,120,000 results
"Glock manual safety"       223,000 results

Then there's the whole "pull trigger to disassemble" thing.

Hmm.
No problem with the product, you say?

Maybe so, but is sure as fark seems to open up an entirely new field of endeavor for operator headspace errors, now doesn't it?


Yeah not so much a problem as it's just not as tolerant of bad handling. They're also very common, so there's a lot more people using them.
 
2014-01-31 11:12:31 PM  
I do not understand how, as clumsy and as uncoordinated as I am, I have managed never to experience a negligent firearm discharge. Every time any firearm that I own has discharged, it has been pointed down a firing range and toward a backstop.
 
2014-01-31 11:21:06 PM  
www.everydaynodaysoff.com

/couldn't resist
 
2014-01-31 11:30:53 PM  
The older I get and the more weapons I fire, the more I think that most people would be better off with a basic .38/.357 revolver. Durable, Reliable and very difficult to accidentally shoot yourself with....

/Fiancé has a Glock. Hate it.
//I have an H&K USP compact with external safety. Like it.
///Also have Colt Python. Love it!!
 
2014-01-31 11:34:15 PM  
For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.
 
2014-01-31 11:47:13 PM  

DrBenway: For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.


Unfortunately, due to opposition, absolutely no laws regulating firearm ownership will ever exist in the United States of America.
 
2014-01-31 11:47:38 PM  

painless42: The older I get and the more weapons I fire, the more I think that most people would be better off with a basic .38/.357 revolver. Durable, Reliable and very difficult to accidentally shoot yourself with....

/Fiancé has a Glock. Hate it.
//I have an H&K USP compact with external safety. Like it.
///Also have Colt Python. Love it!!


make it more idiot proof, and they'll build a bigger idiot. seriously, how many accidental shootings were there from 1858 to 1985 (arguably the "era of wheelguns") ?
 
2014-01-31 11:58:06 PM  

DrBenway: For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.


It's really not that common, it just makes the news when it does happen. There are tens of millions of gun owners in the country, and over a million CCW holders in Florida alone. Even if there were dozens of these incidents a day, it would still be a tiny fraction of the total number of individuals who carry. I'm not excusing any negligence mind you, but I think people forget just how many people there are who  don't have a problem owning and using firearms. It's not even close to being the kind of epidemic that some make it out to be.
 
2014-02-01 12:10:51 AM  

Dimensio: DrBenway: For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.

Unfortunately, due to opposition, absolutely no laws regulating firearm ownership will ever exist in the United States of America.


hyperbole and a half. you're lying out your ass, and through your teeth at the same time. we're inundated with regulations right now. if you think we arent, you're a friggin uneducated dipshiat.
 
2014-02-01 12:18:24 AM  

pyrotek85: DrBenway: For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.

It's really not that common, it just makes the news when it does happen. There are tens of millions of gun owners in the country, and over a million CCW holders in Florida alone. Even if there were dozens of these incidents a day, it would still be a tiny fraction of the total number of individuals who carry. I'm not excusing any negligence mind you, but I think people forget just how many people there are who  don't have a problem owning and using firearms. It's not even close to being the kind of epidemic that some make it out to be.


This
 
2014-02-01 12:20:39 AM  
I am about a month away from my first firearm. After researching, I decided on the Glock 27 Gen 4.
 
2014-02-01 12:34:43 AM  

hiker9999: pyrotek85: FTA: "Morkert said he removed the magazine and was manipulating the slide when the gun discharged."

Sounds like he was manipulating the trigger too. Back to class!

Probably holding the gun with his finger on the trigger, while playing with the slide.


I'm betting that he 'unloaded' it by dropping the magazine, then pulled the trigger on his now 'unloaded' firearm because in all my years of experience in dealing with those morons, that has NEVER happened and since there's a first time for everything... this was it.
 
2014-02-01 01:29:39 AM  
Is this where we post pictures of our firearms? Because I have a Walther PPQ I would like to show off.
 
2014-02-01 01:41:33 AM  

hundreddollarman: Is this where we post pictures of our firearms? Because I have a Walther PPQ I would like to show off.


I believe you're looking for the "dick-waving in front of cheerleaders" thread. That was a few hours ago.
 
2014-02-01 01:43:59 AM  

DrBenway: hundreddollarman: Is this where we post pictures of our firearms? Because I have a Walther PPQ I would like to show off.

I believe you're looking for the "dick-waving in front of cheerleaders" thread. That was a few hours ago.


I don't know why you're sharing your preoccupation with penises with me. I'm not judging though. Free country.
 
2014-02-01 02:10:08 AM  

hundreddollarman: DrBenway: hundreddollarman: Is this where we post pictures of our firearms? Because I have a Walther PPQ I would like to show off.

I believe you're looking for the "dick-waving in front of cheerleaders" thread. That was a few hours ago.

I don't know why you're sharing your preoccupation with penises with me. I'm not judging though. Free country.


Hey, you sounded lost. And if I was preoccupied as you suggest, I wouldn't be trying to send you away to another thread, would I? Anyway, here you go. Have fun.
 
2014-02-01 03:00:13 AM  

pyrotek85: DrBenway: For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.

It's really not that common, it just makes the news when it does happen. There are tens of millions of gun owners in the country, and over a million CCW holders in Florida alone. Even if there were dozens of these incidents a day, it would still be a tiny fraction of the total number of individuals who carry. I'm not excusing any negligence mind you, but I think people forget just how many people there are who  don't have a problem owning and using firearms. It's not even close to being the kind of epidemic that some make it out to be.


For what reason, then, am I entirely unable to locate any news articles about concealed weapons permit holders who go through an entire day without ever negligently discharging their firearm or otherwise doing anything of note?
 
2014-02-01 03:01:18 AM  
Next time make sure the safety is a little more on. (Like the owner)
 
2014-02-01 03:04:07 AM  

Livingroom: Dimensio: DrBenway: For something that is totally safe if handled correctly, there sure seem to be a lot of dumbasses accidentally shooting themselves (and others). It's almost as if there needs to be some sort of regulations about that sort of thing.

HAHAHaHahaha... Nah.

Unfortunately, due to opposition, absolutely no laws regulating firearm ownership will ever exist in the United States of America.

hyperbole and a half. you're lying out your ass, and through your teeth at the same time. we're inundated with regulations right now. if you think we arent, you're a friggin uneducated dipshiat.


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2014-02-01 04:06:08 AM  

Molavian: iheartscotch: A Glock? Yep, a glock. I'm just not into a double action gun with no external safety.

/ I've never managed to shoot myself with my 1911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE&feature=feedu


That is Big George Drakoulias levels of funny.
 
2014-02-01 04:13:47 AM  
So if you are all to be believed each one of you is inept and at some point will accidentally shoot yourselves due to ignorance about your weapon/all weapons.
 
2014-02-01 06:09:08 AM  

Pathman: /couldn't resist


Thank you. He's the reason I came in here.
 
2014-02-01 08:00:48 AM  

illannoyin: Pathman: /couldn't resist

Thank you. He's the reason I came in here.


...said no one ever interested in taking a firearm safety class
;-p
 
2014-02-01 09:17:42 PM  

pyrotek85: Livingroom: to be fair, i replace my stock disconnectors with 3.5lb bars, because i like rapid snappy followup shots. i think the initial pull is still 5lb, but with a 3.5 you can bumpfire-tripletap and have a sub-.5" pattern at 7yds.

That's an important point actually, different users will adjust the trigger pull to their liking, so you can make it quite light, or very heavy like the NYPD does.

demaL-demaL-yeH: OnlyM3: Really? So your "Glock, yes it's a glock" then saying you never shot yourself w/ a 1911 didn't mean what it says?

This accident had nothing to do w/ make/model and everything to do with the idiot not following the very simple rule of not pointing it at people

Hmm.
Let's turn to google.
"1911 leg" -holster             16,100 results
"Glock leg" -holster        1,120,000 results
"Glock manual safety"       223,000 results
Then there's the whole "pull trigger to disassemble" thing.
Hmm.
No problem with the product, you say?
Maybe so, but is sure as fark seems to open up an entirely new field of endeavor for operator headspace errors, now doesn't it?

Yeah not so much a problem as it's just not as tolerant of bad handling. They're also very common, so there's a lot more people using them.


I think of a manual safety as a seat belt: You don't need it 99.99% of the time.
But when you don't ever have a seat belt, you're going to get farked up.
Because accidents happen and human beings make mistakes.
/It really is a farked-up design.
//It's been proven over and over and over again.
 
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