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(Chicago Trib)   High school football coach in hot water for baptizing his players   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 10
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2014-01-31 08:47:32 PM  
3 votes:
Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.
2014-01-31 10:00:13 PM  
2 votes:
Did anyone actually read the article?

This all came about when a twitter photo showed him with his team at a baptism, which was for one of the players belonging to a church that other team members went to. The coach was invited to attend because they knew he was Christian.

He wasn't disciplined and said he knew that doing something like that would have been a violation.

He was a guest at someone's baptism, sorry to ruin your hate on Christians thread.
2014-01-31 08:49:52 PM  
2 votes:

MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.


Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?
2014-01-31 08:44:21 PM  
2 votes:
I see we've begun misspelling the asinine tag.
2014-02-01 09:15:39 AM  
1 votes:
"He's a very proud Christian," Edwards said.


Just like Jesus taught.
2014-01-31 11:39:29 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: If the kids agree to be baptized; then, I don't care.


The kids will "agree" to whatever the local authority figure tells them to do.
That is why they are "kids".
That is why this is wrong.
That is why this moron should be sh*tcanned.

/what if the kids had "agreed" to an after practice circle jerk
//led by the coach in the showers
///would you care then?
2014-01-31 11:27:45 PM  
1 votes:

Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.


The First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Note the part about no law respecting an establishment of religion.  You with me so far?  I am not going too fast for you, am I?


Letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists:  Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

Not legally binding, but just a tidbit of history on the origin of the phrase "separation of church and state."  It should be noted that this concept goes back further, to that of Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, in 1644, "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"


Supreme Court of the United States cases:

Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878):
"The word 'religion' is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning, and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted." The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the "separation" paragraph from Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, "coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured."


Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947): Citing Jefferson, the court concluded that "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."


Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) :  The petitioners contend, among other things, that the state laws requiring or permitting use of the Regents' prayer must be struck down as a violation of the Establishment Clause because that prayer was composed by governmental officials as a part of a governmental program to further religious beliefs. For this reason, petitioners argue, the State's use of the Regents' prayer in its public school system breaches the constitutional wall of separation between Church and State. We agree with that contention, since we think that the constitutional prohibition against laws respecting an establishment of religion must at least mean that, in this country, it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government.


So, yeah, it actually is Unconstitutional.  And these are not the only cases where the Supreme Court has weighed in on the issue.  Oh, and before you try to claim that the Supreme Court lacks the authority to declare something Unconstitutional, well, you would be wrong on that, too.  That is part of why they were created.  "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States"
2014-01-31 10:40:36 PM  
1 votes:

Teresaol31: Aussie_As: Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.

Amendments aren't part of the constitution?

Only the 2nd one...and only the part they like of it.   I take it you're new to fark?


No but I am enjoying educating myself in the US constitution and the governance arrangements it prompts. I live ten thousand miles from the US in a country where relatively few controversies about religion or firearms occur. It's fun to enjoy yours.
2014-01-31 10:39:51 PM  
1 votes:
Superintendent Mark Edwards said Thursday that he met with Capps after the football season and ordered him not to lead students in prayers and baptisms.

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2014-01-31 08:52:13 PM  
1 votes:

MrCrazyInsane: MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.

Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?


Possibly poorly. Maybe they could just avoid talking about religion entirely. Its a touchy aubject under the best of circumstances.
 
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