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2014-01-31 08:44:21 PM  
I see we've begun misspelling the asinine tag.
 
2014-01-31 08:45:08 PM  
commieblaster.com
 
2014-01-31 08:47:32 PM  
Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.
 
2014-01-31 08:49:35 PM  

OnlyM3:


I remember when Conservative humor wasn't just recycled Librul humor, but that was a long, long time ago. Like on the 80s long.
 
2014-01-31 08:49:37 PM  
Holy moly, how are these kids going to win any games if they don't accept our lord Jesus Christ as their savior.  I mean, if the other team has some Muslims or atheists on it then they might do OK but they won't stand a chance against any righteous teams.
 
2014-01-31 08:49:52 PM  

MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.


Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?
 
2014-01-31 08:50:57 PM  
What, there's a problem with the government baptizing people's children into its version of religious beliefs?
 
2014-01-31 08:51:15 PM  
Edwards said he told Capps a teacher or coach who leads students in prayer is violating the constitutional separation of church and state. "He said he understood," Edwards told the Observer.

And yet he did it anyway.

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2014-01-31 08:51:57 PM  
is baptize another way to say they caught a teacher splooging all over the students again?
 
2014-01-31 08:52:13 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.

Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?


Possibly poorly. Maybe they could just avoid talking about religion entirely. Its a touchy aubject under the best of circumstances.
 
2014-01-31 08:53:21 PM  

fireclown: MrCrazyInsane: MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.

Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?

Possibly poorly. Maybe they could just avoid talking about religion entirely. Its a touchy aubject under the best of circumstances.


Fair enough.
 
2014-01-31 08:56:02 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.

Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?


What is the coach were not Christian and instead of convincing minors that are not HIS children to let him baptize them, he decided that they all needed to convert to Judaism?  Would this be LESS silly if he were circumcising the players rather than baptizing them and making them participate in prayers to his chosen god?  Let's go one step further...what if the coach were a SATANIST (not an Atheist numbskull, there is a difference.)  If he were converting the kids to Satanism, praying "All hail Satan" and leading them in the Black Mass would you think it was silly to fire him?  Just because it's a CHRISTIAN forcing his beliefs on minors over which he does not have guardianship, does not make it any more right than if it were someone of a faith you don't like in the same situation.  If he wants to pray with his players and make them into Christians, he should go be a coach at one of the many private CHRISTIAN schools in this country and get OUT of the business of public education.
 
2014-01-31 08:56:18 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.

Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?


Better yet, take the Shahada, pass out a prayer rug to everyone and bow to Mecca.
Yeah, that would go over well.
 
2014-01-31 08:57:39 PM  

MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.


Yeah, if he wants to baptize people, become a fking priest.
 
2014-01-31 08:58:25 PM  
And I was so sure before I clicked that this would be in Texas.
 
2014-01-31 09:02:43 PM  

Omahawg: is baptize another way to say they caught a teacher splooging all over the students again?


That's what I assumed was going to makes this Fark worthy
 
2014-01-31 09:03:18 PM  
String the coach up for violating the separation of church and state.

/Trial is of course mandatory before the stringing up.
 
2014-01-31 09:03:37 PM  
How often does the bible cite Jesus preaching to children outside the view of their parents?

As I recall, He usually talked to adults.
 
2014-01-31 09:04:26 PM  
TFA does not answer the question that really matters: What's his win/loss record?

/srsly - I thought winning Texas high school football coaches were above the Constitution.
 
2014-01-31 09:12:23 PM  
If the kids agree to be baptized; then, I don't care.
 
2014-01-31 09:12:46 PM  
say, isn't it pedophilia to put your god in to some kid...
 
2014-01-31 09:13:26 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: TFA does not answer the question that really matters: What's his win/loss record?

/srsly - I thought winning Texas high school football coaches were above the Constitution.


He's not in Texas, North Carolina coaches don't have quite the same expectations.
 
2014-01-31 09:13:44 PM  
Thank ya, Jesus, fer lettin' me knock that other feller down an' score a touchdown, tell ya what
 
2014-01-31 09:17:09 PM  
God does not care if your team wins or not.  Had to be said.
 
2014-01-31 09:17:54 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: MFAWG: Why is following the Constitution silly, subs?

Seriously, if the guy wants to have a moment of silence before the game, and I might kick a bit on a non-denominational prayer but not make a huge fuss, but baptizing them is WAY over the line.

Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?


So I'm not clear on this -- is there a God or not?
 
2014-01-31 09:24:07 PM  

OnlyM3: [commieblaster.com image 222x227]


And how would you feel if the coach was a Muslim? I didn't think so.
 
2014-01-31 09:26:19 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: Bingo. How would this play out if the coach was telling the kids that there is no god?


Why would he bring it up at all? Is theology somehow part of the game?
 
2014-01-31 09:26:45 PM  

Ed Grubermann: OnlyM3: [commieblaster.com image 222x227]

And how would you feel if the coach was a Muslim? I didn't think so.


That's just silly; why would Muslims baptize people into Catholicism?
 
2014-01-31 09:54:26 PM  
How in all of Hades can a teacher not know that this is Unconstitutional?
 
2014-01-31 10:00:13 PM  
Did anyone actually read the article?

This all came about when a twitter photo showed him with his team at a baptism, which was for one of the players belonging to a church that other team members went to. The coach was invited to attend because they knew he was Christian.

He wasn't disciplined and said he knew that doing something like that would have been a violation.

He was a guest at someone's baptism, sorry to ruin your hate on Christians thread.
 
2014-01-31 10:01:54 PM  

OnlyM3: [commieblaster.com image 222x227]


www.thecityreview.com

Do you really need to be baptised? For a football game?
 
2014-01-31 10:05:27 PM  

1nsanilicious: Did anyone actually read the article?

This all came about when a twitter photo showed him with his team at a baptism, which was for one of the players belonging to a church that other team members went to. The coach was invited to attend because they knew he was Christian.

He wasn't disciplined and said he knew that doing something like that would have been a violation.

He was a guest at someone's baptism, sorry to ruin your hate on Christians thread.


"It is a violation of the Constitution for the Mooresville High School football coach to organize, lead, or participate in prayers or other religious proselytizing before, during, or after games and practices," Patrick Elliott, staff attorney for the Wisconsin-based nonprofit Freedom from Religion Foundation, wrote last fall to school district attorney Kevin Donaldson.

Seems like its an issue.
 
2014-01-31 10:13:00 PM  

1nsanilicious: Did anyone actually read the article?

This all came about when a twitter photo showed him with his team at a baptism, which was for one of the players belonging to a church that other team members went to. The coach was invited to attend because they knew he was Christian.

He wasn't disciplined and said he knew that doing something like that would have been a violation.

He was a guest at someone's baptism, sorry to ruin your hate on Christians thread.


Did you actually read the article? The issues were not just the twitter photo and baptism event, which, arguably the coach was not leading but just attending. From TFA:

"The foundation wrote the district after it said it received a complaint from a parent of a Mooresville High School student "who objects to religious endorsements" by Capps.

"Students have reported that Coach Capps frequently prays with football players at team events and encourages them to go to church and to become baptized," the letter says. "
 
2014-01-31 10:13:54 PM  

1nsanilicious: Did anyone actually read the article?

This all came about when a twitter photo showed him with his team at a baptism, which was for one of the players belonging to a church that other team members went to. The coach was invited to attend because they knew he was Christian.

He wasn't disciplined and said he knew that doing something like that would have been a violation.

He was a guest at someone's baptism, sorry to ruin your hate on Christians thread.


The baptism wasn't the issue:

"The foundation wrote the district after it said it received a complaint from a parent of a Mooresville High School student "who objects to religious endorsements" by Capps.

"Students have reported that Coach Capps frequently prays with football players at team events and encourages them to go to church and to become baptized," the letter says.
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2014-01-31 10:15:13 PM  
@catmandu, if you hadn't spent all that time getting your HTML right you'd have beaten me!!!
 
2014-01-31 10:21:33 PM  

Aussie_As: @catmandu, if you hadn't spent all that time getting your HTML right you'd have beaten me!!!


Oh well, I'll live with second place I guess.
 
2014-01-31 10:24:03 PM  
First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.
 
2014-01-31 10:24:32 PM  
The Stupid it Burns...Seriously the coach should have known what he was doing was not gonna fly in this day and age,.
 
2014-01-31 10:29:41 PM  

Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.


Amendments aren't part of the constitution?
 
2014-01-31 10:37:20 PM  

Aussie_As: Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.

Amendments aren't part of the constitution?


Only the 2nd one...and only the part they like of it.   I take it you're new to fark?
 
2014-01-31 10:39:51 PM  
Superintendent Mark Edwards said Thursday that he met with Capps after the football season and ordered him not to lead students in prayers and baptisms.

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2014-01-31 10:40:36 PM  

Teresaol31: Aussie_As: Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.

Amendments aren't part of the constitution?

Only the 2nd one...and only the part they like of it.   I take it you're new to fark?


No but I am enjoying educating myself in the US constitution and the governance arrangements it prompts. I live ten thousand miles from the US in a country where relatively few controversies about religion or firearms occur. It's fun to enjoy yours.
 
2014-01-31 10:42:06 PM  
Americans, I'll admit I don't understand your obsession with football, or your emotional investment in teams affilitated with universities you don't attend.  I can understand supporting the high school team your kid is on, but not the crazy degree some of you take it to.

What I really don't get is how you think Jebus is just as into football as you are.

/I mean, Canadians are kinda nuts about hockey, but it would take a truly delusional Leafs fan to think there was any divine backing there.
 
2014-01-31 10:42:15 PM  
"It is well settled that public schools, and by extension public school officials, may not advance or promote religion," Elliott wrote.
-=-
Well, except in Texas.
 
2014-01-31 10:44:15 PM  

Aussie_As: Teresaol31: Aussie_As: Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.

Amendments aren't part of the constitution?

Only the 2nd one...and only the part they like of it.   I take it you're new to fark?

No but I am enjoying educating myself in the US constitution and the governance arrangements it prompts. I live ten thousand miles from the US in a country where relatively few controversies about religion or firearms occur. It's fun to enjoy yours.


When I lived in Queensland there was religious instruction in the public schools.  If I'd been older than 7 I might have made a fuss about it.

Since I moved away and grew up, I've since realised that Queensland is Australia's Alabama.  (Your profile says Adelaide, so I imagine you'd agree)
 
2014-01-31 10:45:42 PM  

Bondith: Americans, I'll admit I don't understand your obsession with football, or your emotional investment in teams affilitated with universities you don't attend.  I can understand supporting the high school team your kid is on, but not the crazy degree some of you take it to.

What I really don't get is how you think Jebus is just as into football as you are.

/I mean, Canadians are kinda nuts about hockey, but it would take a truly delusional Leafs fan to think there was any divine backing there.


Yeah, as an Australian I'll second this. We're sports-mad too but I can only think of one Australian sportsman who makes a point of banging on about religion, and even then it's because he loves being controversial and he's a Muslim boxer so you can guess how that plays out.
 
2014-01-31 10:46:50 PM  

goatleggedfellow: How often does the bible cite Jesus preaching to children outside the view of their parents?

As I recall, He usually talked to adults.


Often, but not always...here's a few from the Gospel of Matthew.


Matthew 19:14-15
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.

Matthew 18:1-3
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them.

And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 21:15-16
But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him.

"Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read,

"'From the lips of children and infants
you, Lord, have called forth your praise'?"
 
2014-01-31 10:48:11 PM  

Stoker: "It is well settled that public schools, and by extension public school officials, may not advance or promote religion," Elliott wrote.
-=-
Well, except in Texas.


Know how I know you DNRTFA?
 
2014-01-31 10:49:51 PM  
Bondith: ...

When I lived in Queensland there was religious instruction in the public schools.  If I'd been older than 7 I might have made a fuss about it.

Since I moved away and grew up, I've since realised that Queensland is Australia's Alabama.  (Your profile says Adelaide, so I imagine you'd agree)


Correct there. There would be some minor-end hints of religiosity in public schools where I live too (we have Christmas, not 'holidays' here) but no one sees it as controversial and it has exactly zero impact on the kids. I think that is different to the sports coach telling his players to get baptized - that would never happen here NOT because of legal threats but because the guy would just be written off by all and sundry as a dickhead.
 
2014-01-31 10:52:51 PM  
"Students have reported that Coach Capps frequently prays with football players at team events and encourages them to go to church and to become baptized," the letter says.

Oh, OK, so he just prays all the time basically reflexively and invites people to come back to his church because that's what his subculture does to be friendly.

I mean, that's still inappropriate and he needs to quit it, but what subby was implying was something much more actively malicious than the coach just being highly religious and kinda socially oblivious to when he's behaving inappropriately in public (as many religious people are, especially evangelicals).

Stinkyy: First, it is NOT a violation of the Constitution, no matter what the satanist loy-yah says and the principal parroted. I just checked, no separation clause anywhere in there.


There's the establishment clause saying that the federal government can't take actions backing or undermining any establishment of religion.  The privileges and immunities clause says that the states can't violate any protection the constitution grants with respect to the federal government.  Public schools are state institutions.

I know this isn't something that's all in one place that you can google in five seconds or less, but c'mon, man, this is basic civics, not rocket science.  If you grew up anywhere that's  heard of the United States you should be able to work that one out in a few minutes with the amendment list and if you grew up actually in the states you should know it offhand.
 
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