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2014-01-31 03:13:32 PM
This should go green.
 
2014-01-31 03:17:35 PM

www.demeterclarc.com

Jesus! It's Claes Oldenberg! Skedaddle!

 
2014-01-31 03:58:03 PM
This is the weirdest farking big budget movie ever.

Cavill
Affleck
Gadot
Adams
Eisenberg

What kind of cast is this? I guess it would work, but I don't feel good about this especially given the giant pile of 'meh' that was Man of Steel.
 
2014-01-31 03:58:48 PM
Are they only casting tiny, bony people so Batfleck and Supes look like monsters standing next to them? Amy Adams; the guy everyone thinks is Michael Cera; it's not like Jeremy Irons is a big guy, either.

Maybe they can make Lawrence Fisburne stand in a pothole during his scenes to make him shorter, too. WTF.
 
2014-01-31 03:59:36 PM
Perhaps we just need to collapse the wave function of the H.
 
2014-01-31 04:09:46 PM
Wow that seems like an awful casting choice. Maybe he has been typecast so far, but he comes off as fast-talking and irritating, not clever.
 
2014-01-31 04:11:33 PM
Honestly, the problem here isn't Eisenberg, who I think is a really good and charismatic actor, but what this casting signals about the type of thought process behind the movie. It screams out to me like some producer made a decision along the lines of "man, we need to update this thing for this new, young hip generation - lets turn Lex Luther into a hacker kid!"

Blurgh.
 
2014-01-31 04:12:12 PM
Holy Christ, who made this awful choice? I mean, letting Zack Snyder direct this movie? What a travesty.
 
2014-01-31 04:12:42 PM
Oh goody. More butthurt.
 
2014-01-31 04:13:21 PM

JerseyTim: Holy Christ, who made this awful choice? I mean, letting Zack Snyder direct this movie? What a travesty.


COMEDY!
 
2014-01-31 04:21:20 PM
They couldn't get Michael Cera on the phone.
 
2014-01-31 04:34:19 PM
Next up:  Morgan Freeman as Bizarro and one of the Olsen twins as Giganta.  Hell...cast them both as Giganta.
 
2014-01-31 04:39:38 PM
Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.
 
2014-01-31 04:39:54 PM
Someone's going to trot out Heath Ledger as an example of casting that everyone said was farked up that turned out great but for every one of him there's a dozen Jessica Alba as Sue Storms. I don't care, I'm interested to see what Affleck does with Batman. I've given up on hopes of a good Superman movie.
 
2014-01-31 04:45:33 PM

DamnYankees: This is the weirdest farking big budget movie ever.

Cavill
Affleck
Gadot
Adams
Eisenberg

What kind of cast is this? I guess it would work, but I don't feel good about this especially given the giant pile of 'meh' that was Man of Steel.


this is starting to feel like when you're realllllly baked and you go to the fridge and just start grabbing unrelated items and stick them on a plate or roll them up in a tortilla.

*maybe* it'll be a gastronomical discovery you'll keep on making for years.
*probably* you're brain isn't functioning correctly and it's just a giant pile of crap.
 
2014-01-31 04:45:45 PM

JerseyTim: Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.


He's already signed on to play Otis.
 
2014-01-31 04:45:51 PM

Mugato: Someone's going to trot out Heath Ledger as an example of casting that everyone said was farked up that turned out great but for every one of him there's a dozen Jessica Alba as Sue Storms. I don't care, I'm interested to see what Affleck does with Batman. I've given up on hopes of a good Superman movie.


It does seem impossible. I am more and more sympathetic to the idea that Superman just isn't all that interesting.
 
2014-01-31 05:08:44 PM

DamnYankees: Mugato: Someone's going to trot out Heath Ledger as an example of casting that everyone said was farked up that turned out great but for every one of him there's a dozen Jessica Alba as Sue Storms. I don't care, I'm interested to see what Affleck does with Batman. I've given up on hopes of a good Superman movie.

It does seem impossible. I am more and more sympathetic to the idea that Superman just isn't all that interesting.


Superman is boring. The whole idea is he's a god among men. A massive piece of steel in a world made of cardboard. That can work well in the comics because they have time to explore that area. They can show that he has to restrain himself every second so as not to break someone or something.

When people go to see an action movie, they want to see people kicking ass. That's where Superman loses. He's an all-powerful god. You either deliver a giant action spectacle that people become bored with because he's basically indestructible. Or you try to delve into the deeper, more mental/emotional side and people become bored because that's not what they wanted to see. Plus people have seen the earth wrecked in some way or another at least 100 times in the past 2 decades, so the special effects of them tearing apart Metropolis just weren't that awesome.

It's kinda like the last two Hulk movies. Ang Lee's was all about emotional turmoil and people didn't like it. Letterier went full action and people didn't really like it (although I did like Letterier's version a lot more because you did get to see Hulk kick some ass).

Both of them are in that weird area where the people who make movies don't know what to do with them. And that's not to say it won't ever happen (the original Superman is still pretty good), but they've got their hands full trying to tackle two unstoppable beings in a full-length feature.
 
2014-01-31 05:22:37 PM

scottydoesntknow: DamnYankees: Mugato: Someone's going to trot out Heath Ledger as an example of casting that everyone said was farked up that turned out great but for every one of him there's a dozen Jessica Alba as Sue Storms. I don't care, I'm interested to see what Affleck does with Batman. I've given up on hopes of a good Superman movie.

It does seem impossible. I am more and more sympathetic to the idea that Superman just isn't all that interesting.

Superman is boring. The whole idea is he's a god among men. A massive piece of steel in a world made of cardboard. That can work well in the comics because they have time to explore that area. They can show that he has to restrain himself every second so as not to break someone or something.

When people go to see an action movie, they want to see people kicking ass. That's where Superman loses. He's an all-powerful god. You either deliver a giant action spectacle that people become bored with because he's basically indestructible. Or you try to delve into the deeper, more mental/emotional side and people become bored because that's not what they wanted to see. Plus people have seen the earth wrecked in some way or another at least 100 times in the past 2 decades, so the special effects of them tearing apart Metropolis just weren't that awesome.

It's kinda like the last two Hulk movies. Ang Lee's was all about emotional turmoil and people didn't like it. Letterier went full action and people didn't really like it (although I did like Letterier's version a lot more because you did get to see Hulk kick some ass).

Both of them are in that weird area where the people who make movies don't know what to do with them. And that's not to say it won't ever happen (the original Superman is still pretty good), but they've got their hands full trying to tackle two unstoppable beings in a full-length feature.


Did you see MoS? It was probably the best version of the character in a while. He made mistakes, he had conflict, he even made tough, but logical, decisions.

And on top of that, it jettisoned some of the stupider parts of his mythology- like Lois not recognizing him in the glasses.

I enjoyed the hell out of that movie.
 
2014-01-31 05:28:11 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Did you see MoS? It was probably the best version of the character in a while. He made mistakes, he had conflict, he even made tough, but logical, decisions.

And on top of that, it jettisoned some of the stupider parts of his mythology- like Lois not recognizing him in the glasses.

I enjoyed the hell out of that movie.


Yes, I found it pretty boring. And the stupidity of the whole Pa Kent "I can't let my son save me so I'll just stand here with my dick in my hand while the tornado swallows me" just took me out completely.

The most interesting part was the beginning on Krypton. After that it was pretty meh.

And a logical decision would be to NOT tell Zod why his senses are going haywire instead of instructing him exactly how to get over his senses going haywire.
 
2014-01-31 05:37:31 PM

JerseyTim: Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.


Jay Baruchel as Captain Marvel.
 
2014-01-31 05:43:19 PM

Flappyhead: JerseyTim: Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.

Jay Baruchel as Captain Marvel.


Seth Rogan as Flash
 
2014-01-31 05:43:40 PM
What, was Michael Cera busy?
 
2014-01-31 05:45:27 PM

Mugato: Someone's going to trot out Heath Ledger as an example of casting that everyone said was farked up that turned out great but for every one of him there's a dozen Jessica Alba as Sue Storms. I don't care, I'm interested to see what Affleck does with Batman. I've given up on hopes of a good Superman movie.


I'm going to trot out Heath Ledge as a way to say "Give it a shot - it MIGHT not suck." even though I'm really fighting myself over it. It's hard not to react with "This SUCKS!" as Eisenberg doesn't hit a single "Lex Luther" note for me, at all.

But Ledger didn't strike a single "Joker" note for me either, and I like his Joker far more than Nickleson's Joker. So I'm willing to give it a chance.
 
2014-01-31 05:45:55 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Did you see MoS? It was probably the best version of the character in a while. He made mistakes, he had conflict, he even made tough, but logical, decisions.


See this is the line where people defending that dreck lose me.  This is not to say: [stopenjoyingwhatidontlike.jpg], but to day that the mistakes he made were mostly dumb, irrational and in the service of a ludicrous plot,* most of the conflict was dumb, irrational, and in the service of a ludicrous plot, and most of the tough decisions were dumb and in the service of a ludicrous plot.

Yes they were there, but that wasn't a good thing.

/* when i say " in the service of a ludicrous plot" i mean most of the characters motivations make little sense outside of "oh well the plot requires me to do X so i suppose that is what i shall do."  That is bad in general, but terrible when the plot is unsure of where it is going and what it is doing.
 
2014-01-31 05:46:18 PM
www-deadline-com.vimg.net

Hey guys, Chris Hardwick here.  I'm super excited to announce my latest show, Talking Batman.  You'll get to hear all of my poorly thought out opinions.  I'll mock people for liking things I don't like, then I'll make an impassioned plea for everyone to get along and not make fun of the things I like.  It's going to be super fun.
 
2014-01-31 05:48:06 PM

rcantley: Hey guys, Chris Hardwick here. I'm super excited to announce my latest show, Talking Batman. You'll get to hear all of my poorly thought out opinions. I'll mock people for liking things I don't like, then I'll make an impassioned plea for everyone to get along and not make fun of the things I like. It's going to be super fun.


So every comic book store ever?
 
2014-01-31 05:49:42 PM
shiat, someone just cast John Hodgeman as the villain in a big budget movie.
 
2014-01-31 05:50:22 PM
Heh, I hope this is so awful that it kills superhero movies for a while.

//yeah, yeah, no chance.
 
2014-01-31 05:51:05 PM

wildcardjack: shiat, someone just cast John Hodgeman as the villain in a big budget movie.


He could pull off Mole Man...
 
2014-01-31 05:52:20 PM
lol yeah, this is going to be a good thread.

That said, wow, the whole casting process has been one long lolwtf.  WW, Batfleck, and now Lex Luthor, master and creator of Facebook.
 
2014-01-31 05:52:39 PM
I'm not one to slam the Affleck casting, but 

DamnYankees: This is the weirdest farking big budget movie ever.

Cavill
Affleck
Gadot
Adams
Eisenberg

What kind of cast is this? I guess it would work, but I don't feel good about this especially given the giant pile of 'meh' that was Man of Steel.


Well, lets be fair.... would you have presumed a movie with Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Jeremy Renner, and Liam Hemsworth would become the #2 film of all time?

Eisenberg (and Affleck) has an Oscar, just like Robert Downey.
 
2014-01-31 05:53:28 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Heh, I hope this is so awful that it kills superhero movies for a while.

//yeah, yeah, no chance.


It will awful enough to kill DC movies for a while.

Marvel still has their shiat together on the movie front and hasn't made a bad movie since before the Disney purchase.
 
2014-01-31 05:53:47 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Heh, I hope this is so awful that it kills superhero movies for a while.

//yeah, yeah, no chance.


I wouldn't mind if it buried DC comic book movies at this point. Burn it down and start over in a decade.
 
2014-01-31 05:56:14 PM

T.rex: I'm not one to slam the Affleck casting, but  DamnYankees: This is the weirdest farking big budget movie ever.

Cavill
Affleck
Gadot
Adams
Eisenberg

What kind of cast is this? I guess it would work, but I don't feel good about this especially given the giant pile of 'meh' that was Man of Steel.

Well, lets be fair.... would you have presumed a movie with Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Jeremy Renner, and Liam Hemsworth would become the #2 film of all time?

Eisenberg (and Affleck) has an Oscar, just like Robert Downey.


Well, aside from the fact that Marvel spent years and millions on risky 'foundation' films that established each of those key aspects of the Avengers 'before' trying the Avengers as a team film, it's entirely the same thing.

This fail-train is picking up speed!  Toot toot!
 
2014-01-31 05:56:14 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Ow! That was my feelings!: Heh, I hope this is so awful that it kills superhero movies for a while.

//yeah, yeah, no chance.

It will awful enough to kill DC movies for a while.

Marvel still has their shiat together on the movie front and hasn't made a bad movie since before the Disney purchase.


Hmm, ok, I'll mostly agree with that sentiment.
 
2014-01-31 05:59:04 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Did you see MoS? It was probably the best version of the character in a while. He made mistakes, he had conflict, he even made tough, but logical, decisions.


I got about 20-30 minutes in, I think. Wherever the first spaceship scene is, before I got bored and went off to do something more interesting, like clip my toenails.

But then again I'll freely admit I'm not a particularly big superman fan. The 'steel among cardboard' thing is just not that interesting. I turn to comics for action and smashy, not psuedodeep philosophy from writers.

Then again my favorite comic is Transmet, so wtf am I talking about?
 
2014-01-31 06:00:22 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Flappyhead: JerseyTim: Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.

Jay Baruchel as Captain Marvel.

Seth Rogan as Flash


Channing Tatum as Bane

lenoirauteur.com
 
2014-01-31 06:00:37 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: RoyFokker'sGhost: Ow! That was my feelings!: Heh, I hope this is so awful that it kills superhero movies for a while.

//yeah, yeah, no chance.

It will awful enough to kill DC movies for a while.

Marvel still has their shiat together on the movie front and hasn't made a bad movie since before the Disney purchase.

Hmm, ok, I'll mostly agree with that sentiment.


Realistically, DC needs to take a few pages from the Marvel handbook on how to make movies. Namely, take the time and effort to build a foundation before going all in on the ensemble piece.

And to be fair, Marvel needs to take a few pages from the DC handbook on how to make TV shows. Namely, stop turning each week into a Scooby Doo mystery caper and focus on developing interesting characters.
 
2014-01-31 06:01:54 PM

Mad_Radhu: RoyFokker'sGhost: Flappyhead: JerseyTim: Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.

Jay Baruchel as Captain Marvel.

Seth Rogan as Flash

Channing Tatum as Bane

[lenoirauteur.com image 850x488]


Elizabeth Banks as Supergirl

.....

I'll be back; I forgot something in my bunk. I may be a while
 
2014-01-31 06:06:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: the original Superman is still pretty good


I think the original benefited from a limited budget/FX technology. When Supes fought Zod and crew (I count the first two movies as one movie), as a kid I thought how cool it would be with a big VFX extravaganza instead of the relatively intimate battle that happened. I didn't take into account that would involve destroying Smallville and Metropolis, killing millions. Leave that shiat to Roland Emmerich.

I'm not much of a comic book guy so I don't know how much if this is true but Seinfeld had a bit about the Justice League and how they really didn't need anyone else since Superman was there. I would contend that they need Aquaman if they had to converse with any fish or Wonder Woman if anyone needed a hand job (I wouldn't put my peener in there for fear I wouldn't get it back). We can rule out Batman's detective/scientist side because they almost never showed that in any of the films and I doubt they're going to start now.
 
2014-01-31 06:10:40 PM
What is Nerdist?  Is it a website, a podcast, an online community, or all three?
 
2014-01-31 06:13:58 PM

Gunny Highway: What is Nerdist?  Is it a website, a podcast, an online community, or all three?


An excuse to get Marilyn Manson high and have him talk about zombies on basic cable?
 
2014-01-31 06:17:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: DamnYankees: Mugato: Someone's going to trot out Heath Ledger as an example of casting that everyone said was farked up that turned out great but for every one of him there's a dozen Jessica Alba as Sue Storms. I don't care, I'm interested to see what Affleck does with Batman. I've given up on hopes of a good Superman movie.

It does seem impossible. I am more and more sympathetic to the idea that Superman just isn't all that interesting.

Superman is boring. The whole idea is he's a god among men. A massive piece of steel in a world made of cardboard. That can work well in the comics because they have time to explore that area. They can show that he has to restrain himself every second so as not to break someone or something.

When people go to see an action movie, they want to see people kicking ass. That's where Superman loses. He's an all-powerful god. You either deliver a giant action spectacle that people become bored with because he's basically indestructible. Or you try to delve into the deeper, more mental/emotional side and people become bored because that's not what they wanted to see. Plus people have seen the earth wrecked in some way or another at least 100 times in the past 2 decades, so the special effects of them tearing apart Metropolis just weren't that awesome.

It's kinda like the last two Hulk movies. Ang Lee's was all about emotional turmoil and people didn't like it. Letterier went full action and people didn't really like it (although I did like Letterier's version a lot more because you did get to see Hulk kick some ass).

Both of them are in that weird area where the people who make movies don't know what to do with them. And that's not to say it won't ever happen (the original Superman is still pretty good), but they've got their hands full trying to tackle two unstoppable beings in a full-length feature.


I agree a Superman or Hulk motion picture is best done as a 10 minute short, otherwise you're really pressing for content. The only reason Superman can consistently hold a comic is because he was first. Every other god character's series gets canceled frequently or the character is brought down in power.
 
2014-01-31 06:18:42 PM

Infernalist: T.rex: I'm not one to slam the Affleck casting, but  DamnYankees: This is the weirdest farking big budget movie ever.

Cavill
Affleck
Gadot
Adams
Eisenberg

What kind of cast is this? I guess it would work, but I don't feel good about this especially given the giant pile of 'meh' that was Man of Steel.

Well, lets be fair.... would you have presumed a movie with Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Jeremy Renner, and Liam Hemsworth would become the #2 film of all time?

Eisenberg (and Affleck) has an Oscar, just like Robert Downey.

Well, aside from the fact that Marvel spent years and millions on risky 'foundation' films that established each of those key aspects of the Avengers 'before' trying the Avengers as a team film, it's entirely the same thing.

This fail-train is picking up speed!  Toot toot!


What exactly do you think Man of Steel was?  It was rebooted specifically for this purpose, to fit into the Nolan-produced universe.   And although he declined, they TRIED to get Christain Bale back, so the Dark Knight trilogy can be considered 'foundation' films, too, along with Green Latern,

My point is that the DC failure is not the cast list... The failure is trying to copy the lightning-in-a-bottle strategy that Marvel achieved.  After Avengers's success, Warner people got in a room and said, 'lets do what Marvel did'.    That was their mistake... They could've gotten the coolest actors in the world, and it still is not a sure-fire success.
 
2014-01-31 06:18:59 PM
I don't have an issue with him as an actor, he just seems too young.

They went young on "Smallville" and that worked well, being a spoiled rich kid and eventually growing, after 10 years, in the the Lex we know.

But Eisenberg seems just too young from the get go.  He may be 30 for all I know.  He just comes off as young.

But again, I don't HATE this casting choice.
 
2014-01-31 06:21:10 PM
 Jonah Hill as Nuclear Man.

Jay Baruchel as Captain Marvel.

Seth Rogan as Flash

Channing Tatum as Bane

Elizabeth Banks as Supergirl


James Franco as Everyone Else
 
2014-01-31 06:22:03 PM

Mad_Radhu: An excuse to get Marilyn Manson high and have him talk about zombies on basic cable?


Can I ask him instead what it was like to bang Rose McGowan when she was 25?
 
2014-01-31 06:22:52 PM
Darth_Lukecash: Did you see MoS? It was probably the best version of the character in a while. He made mistakes, he had conflict, he even made tough, but logical, decisions.

And on top of that, it jettisoned some of the stupider parts of his mythology- like Lois not recognizing him in the glasses.

I enjoyed the hell out of that movie.


"Superman" killed far too many people for that to be considered a Superman movie.
 
2014-01-31 06:24:55 PM
I dunno...wasn't his Zuckerberg modeled after Lex anyway?
 
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