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(Washington Times)   The latest ObamaCare scandal: regulating pizzas. THIS. IS. AN. OUTRAGE   (washingtontimes.com ) divider line 197
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2014-01-31 06:44:37 PM  
meh is more about not having to reveal how bad  the food to customers in store, and potentially scaring them off when they see how much fat and cholesterol is in some of that stuff.
 
2014-01-31 06:45:04 PM  

kpaxoid: The reason for the pushback is that restaurants DO NOT want the customer to know what they are eating, because they actually might not eat it.


Also they want an excuse to raise prices, if they can persuade gullible right wing morons that this will cost eleventh kajillion dollars to get a five year old to add up 3 or 4 numbers and then get them put on a sign or menu, then they can hike their prices and make more profit off the rubes.

As we all know, every time MacDonalds introduces a new menu item the horrendous costs of putting out new menus and new signage totally destroyed the world economy, and forced the IMF to step in and bail out the massive debt they incurred.
 
2014-01-31 06:57:59 PM  
Obama is trying to keep people from throwing their weight around.
 
2014-01-31 07:00:15 PM  

what_now: creating a nutritional menu for the hundreds of possible food combinations
or, you could do this:

[www.anutinanutshell.com image 400x300]


Seriously, Chipotle even figured this out.  All their food is is various combinations of other food.
 
2014-01-31 07:01:51 PM  
Guys, you can quit arguing over how much nutritional analysis and labeling would cost.

I am pretty certain the loss of revenue from people realizing (or being reminded) just how terrible said pizza is for you would dwarf whatever the costs are for signage and analysis.  But they can't say that, so they put this bullshiat argument out instead.

Which is why the people who carry water for the big pizza chains (and every other large company) are writing about it.
 
2014-01-31 07:11:51 PM  
That was a pretty sane and refreshing commentary piece for the Washington Times.

Until it veered into Upper Derpistan in the last sentence.

/btw, washingtontimes.com will spam you if you use a Disqus ID to comment at their site.
 
2014-01-31 07:14:52 PM  
How much research would they really need to do? It's not as if they're growing the food out in the back; doesn't it already have labels, and don't they know how many servings they get from a gallon of mayonnaise or a 5lb block of cheese?

If they can't do that amount arithmetic on a one-off basis, I should be more careful in counting my change.
 
2014-01-31 07:41:19 PM  

chitownmike: dywed88: chitownmike: ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.

Who the fark puts egg, etc. in a burger? 'Cuz I will not be eating there! Burger = ground beef salt and pepper cooked for a few mins, on a bun, that's it!

You forgot the onion, and hot sauce (feel free to pick the kind you prefer) in the burger. The cheese melted on the patty. And mayonnaise, ketchup, yello mustard, dill pickles, onions, tomatoes, and bacon inside the bun.

Bread crubs and egg are prefectly fine, but non-essential ingredients.

That's meatloaf


If you put it in a loaf pan and bakeit, sure. Though I would argue that bread crumbs, garlic and egg are essential for meatloaf.
 
2014-01-31 07:46:55 PM  
Doesn't Sysco provide nutrition labels for the stuff they microwave at restaurants in the first place? Just print it out on a poster and be done with it.
 
2014-01-31 07:46:57 PM  

Nabb1: That's not what they are complaining about. The restaurant industry wanted more options to provide the information than a huge board posted on the premises.


The restaurants are still free to provide the information on the web site or any other way they can think of.

But some people do drop in to Dominos and order a pizza. Those people should have the information available at the same place that lists what foods are available to purchase, whether it's a big sign, a menu, or whatever.
 
2014-01-31 07:48:23 PM  

Ant: Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD

To be fair, I think they have to have someone calculate the nutritional value of each menu item.


And then someone had to design the board. Then there are the people who have to produce the boards, the people who deliver and install the boards, not to mention the people who have to decide where to locate the boards. Oops, I nearly forgot the people who have to make sure the boards were properly designed, printed, delivered and installed.

Wait a minute, this is a job creation program isn't it?
 
2014-01-31 07:51:16 PM  

mcnguyen: California already does this, and as far as I can tell fast food restaurants are doing just fine.


^^^^^^THIS^^^^^
 
2014-01-31 07:55:38 PM  
So, the totally outraged and posting from the same IP crew is:
cman
MyRandomName   
jjorsett
hasty ambush
Must be a communal living arrangement....I guess.

Also.
Mean Daddy (not the same IP, probably just retarded, in all fairness)

P.S. No, I won't tell you how I know.
 
2014-01-31 07:58:12 PM  
We've had this in NY State for a few years - it's great. Know exactly what's going on.
 
2014-01-31 07:59:48 PM  

Goetz: So, the totally outraged and posting from the same IP crew is:
cman
MyRandomName
jjorsett
hasty ambush
Must be a communal living arrangement....I guess.

Also.
Mean Daddy (not the same IP, probably just retarded, in all fairness)

P.S. No, I won't tell you how I know.


Private investigators... in Hawaii.

www.timesnews.net
 
2014-01-31 08:13:21 PM  
A few things the article gets wrong:

1) It claims "Their bill will provide relief ... for those establishments that derive less than 50 percent of their total revenue from prepared food sales, such as gas stations." However, the new regulations already state that "Movie theaters, airplanes, bowling alleys, and other establishments whose primary purpose is not to sell food would not be subject to these proposed regulations. "
2) It claims restaurants would need to provide "nutritional menu for the hundreds of possible food combinations". However, the regulations already provide "Calories for variable menu items, such as combination meals, would be displayed in ranges. "
3) They claim it would be burdensome to displays this information in-store for pizza places, because so little of their business comes from in-store purchases. Information must only be displayed "on all menus and menu boards", so quite simply, if it's such a small portion of their business, they can take down the in-store menus. That's practically free.
 
2014-01-31 08:16:47 PM  

I alone am best: sdd2000: Enigmamf: I alone am best: IAmRight: sdd2000: I alone am best: When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item

I was responding to this in your post and the answer is no you can use any of these--including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means

But you guys, it's really expensive to google up nutrition facts for ingredients and know how much I use for each product I make! It could take a second-grader nearly hours to add up the numbers!

nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means

Not

google and guesswork

Describe  one ingredient not listed in the USDA's official reference, available online, free.

Yes but adding things up is hard if you can only count to potato.

So in your expert legal opinion, when the government comes knocking you can just say "Hey, I googled it this is legit"?


How many calories are in your strawman?

Step 1: For each ingredient in recipe, look up info in USDA database.
Step 2: Add them up
Step 3: There is no step 3.
Step 4: Potatoe!
 
2014-01-31 08:20:42 PM  
That'll teach Herman Cain not to fark with the Obama man and his skinny wife.
 
2014-01-31 08:23:29 PM  

3.bp.blogspot.com Miss me yet?

 
2014-01-31 08:25:31 PM  
Why not do what McDo does? Put your nutritional information on the bottom of the place mat where people who really love McDo's food will find it when they eat the greasy place mat?
 
2014-01-31 08:32:18 PM  

Goetz: So, the totally outraged and posting from the same IP crew is:
cman
MyRandomName
jjorsett
hasty ambush
Must be a communal living arrangement....I guess.

Also.
Mean Daddy (not the same IP, probably just retarded, in all fairness)

P.S. No, I won't tell you how I know.


Did you even read what I posted?

Because if you did, you would have read that I called their argument bullshiat
 
2014-01-31 08:32:22 PM  

Enigmamf: A few things the article gets wrong:

1) It claims "Their bill will provide relief ... for those establishments that derive less than 50 percent of their total revenue from prepared food sales, such as gas stations." However, the new regulations already state that "Movie theaters, airplanes, bowling alleys, and other establishments whose primary purpose is not to sell food would not be subject to these proposed regulations. "
2) It claims restaurants would need to provide "nutritional menu for the hundreds of possible food combinations". However, the regulations already provide "Calories for variable menu items, such as combination meals, would be displayed in ranges. "
3) They claim it would be burdensome to displays this information in-store for pizza places, because so little of their business comes from in-store purchases. Information must only be displayed "on all menus and menu boards", so quite simply, if it's such a small portion of their business, they can take down the in-store menus. That's practically free.


The big difference in the first one would be grocery and convenience stores. Where the majority of their sales are food, but not prepared food.
 
2014-01-31 08:40:00 PM  
I thought it was going to be more like this: ordering pizza
 
2014-01-31 09:13:21 PM  

brantgoose: Why not do what McDo does? Put your nutritional information on the bottom of the place mat where people who really love McDo's food will find it when they eat the greasy place mat?


The McDonalds around here put the calorie information on a video screen. Don't know if it is LED or Plasma but it's bright and the items roll passed. All a place has to do is put a flat screen someplace and have a PowerPoint presentation or something with each item on a slide. The law doesn't say all items have to be visible at the same time. So what if it takes three days to get around back to the first slide. If a customer wants to wee something specific, he can wait.
 
2014-01-31 09:46:50 PM  
Can they just do the same trick as everyone else and put a low calorie count but say that this hamburger is 4 servings?
 
2014-01-31 09:54:38 PM  
I'm in favor of this--it will help me keep score. It's a game I play to piss people off, called "How many calories can I eat while my waistline still diminishes?" (aka "Have a job that busts my ass.")
 
2014-01-31 10:01:11 PM  

Enigmamf: 3) They claim it would be burdensome to displays this information in-store for pizza places, because so little of their business comes from in-store purchases. Information must only be displayed "on all menus and menu boards", so quite simply, if it's such a small portion of their business, they can take down the in-store menus. That's practically free.


I just remembered the Donatos pizzas near me did this.  There are only pictures on the big boards above the counter and they've got a small paper menu taped to the counter and I think you can grab one for yourself too.  That's the way to go for low traffic places.  Drop the big boards, print some paper menus.
 
2014-01-31 10:06:22 PM  

cman: Goetz: So, the totally outraged and posting from the same IP crew is:
cman
MyRandomName
jjorsett
hasty ambush
Must be a communal living arrangement....I guess.

Also.
Mean Daddy (not the same IP, probably just retarded, in all fairness)

P.S. No, I won't tell you how I know.

Did you even read what I posted?

Because if you did, you would have read that I called their argument bullshiat


Go dig yourself a little hole and bury what shred of honour you have left.
 
2014-01-31 10:13:22 PM  

Goetz: cman: Goetz: So, the totally outraged and posting from the same IP crew is:
cman
MyRandomName
jjorsett
hasty ambush
Must be a communal living arrangement....I guess.

Also.
Mean Daddy (not the same IP, probably just retarded, in all fairness)

P.S. No, I won't tell you how I know.

Did you even read what I posted?

Because if you did, you would have read that I called their argument bullshiat

Go dig yourself a little hole and bury what shred of honour you have left.


What? Are you shiatting on me because I said that it won't be cheap? If you took that as support to their side, don't. I am not saying that we should toss the law. I called their argument bullshiat while at the same time recognizing that things are not cheap. I am not saying its a catastrophic burden.
 
2014-01-31 10:29:37 PM  

cman: Goetz: cman: Goetz: So, the totally outraged and posting from the same IP crew is:
cman
MyRandomName
jjorsett
hasty ambush
Must be a communal living arrangement....I guess.

Also.
Mean Daddy (not the same IP, probably just retarded, in all fairness)

P.S. No, I won't tell you how I know.

Did you even read what I posted?

Because if you did, you would have read that I called their argument bullshiat

Go dig yourself a little hole and bury what shred of honour you have left.

What? Are you shiatting on me because I said that it won't be cheap? If you took that as support to their side, don't. I am not saying that we should toss the law. I called their argument bullshiat while at the same time recognizing that things are not cheap. I am not saying its a catastrophic burden.


You protest too much.
 
2014-01-31 11:42:26 PM  
Once the administration realizes that some people order for delivery, restaurants will be forced to use catapults to deliver the signs through closed glass windows and into the armpits of unsuspecting customers
 
2014-02-01 12:14:17 AM  

chitownmike: ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.

Who the fark puts egg, etc. in a burger? 'Cuz I will not be eating there! Burger = ground beef salt and pepper cooked for a few mins, on a bun, that's it!


Eggs help the patty stay together. As an aside, have you ever had a fried egg on a burger? Sweet Jesus that is living.
 
2014-02-01 01:54:05 AM  

BigBenny: chitownmike: ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.

Who the fark puts egg, etc. in a burger? 'Cuz I will not be eating there! Burger = ground beef salt and pepper cooked for a few mins, on a bun, that's it!

Eggs help the patty stay together. As an aside, have you ever had a fried egg on a burger? Sweet Jesus that is living.


If you want to eat a burger with an egg on it that is fine, awesome in my opinion, but if you count on egg to hold your burger together you are using shiat meat for your burger and nothing can save your soul from that
 
2014-02-01 02:34:37 AM  

chitownmike: ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.

Who the fark puts egg, etc. in a burger? 'Cuz I will not be eating there! Burger = ground beef salt and pepper cooked for a few mins, on a bun, that's it!


I work in a restaurant that gets grass-fed, no-hormones or antibiotics added beef that we grind directly and season with only salt and pepper. There are other toppings on our burger obviously: housemade ketchup, housemade mayo, a mix of 3 mustards (our mustard mix: dijon, grainy, and hot), a housemade tomatillo relish (it's awesome), housemade szechuan pickles (awesome), caramelized onions and boston lettuce.

Oh, optional cheese and house-smoked bacon.

It's a good burger. When I make one for myself I sautee some of our mirepoix for mussels (garlic, shallot, celery) and some fine diced jalepenos and throw it in a bowl with what would have been a patty with a bit of worcestershire and some spices if I care enough to toast and sautee them off because ground beef by itself at any weight above 2 oz thickness is bland otherwise. Then I make it a patty and cook it. Aces. (No mayo, sometimes an over easy egg. A remnant from my time in Australia)

Egg and bread crumbs are not neccessary but are not unreasonable binders.

Perhaps as a professional, and also a North American, I've tainted my palate so that it needs to be wowed, but I think it's always desirable to enhance every level of your meal.... Including your patty.
 
2014-02-01 06:17:29 AM  
If this is such a great idea why draw the line at businesses with 20+ locations?  Why not make it 10 or 5 or 1?

If you need the nutritional /caloric info on a pizza/fast food I would l suggest that maybe you should not really be eating one.
 
2014-02-01 06:37:38 AM  

doctor wu: I always enjoy reading the delusional right wing butt-hurt in the comments below such articles.


Even when they had the white house, they still had epic butt hurt, all the farking time. It is amazing.

I know some of you will not believe me, but salt of the earth repubs (i.e. my in-laws) believed Clinton was storing up Chinese in box cars to attack, they believed (even while Dubya was in office) the liberals were hiding Chinese military in their homes. As soon as obama came in, they were convinced they would release the box car regiments.

The tension lessened, slightly, i must admit while dubya was in office. But it was always, there is a booogdadeee boooo liberal in the closet ready to kill you.

For the "party of patriots", they are quite cowardly.
 
2014-02-01 07:21:20 AM  
/Implying chains would raise prices without first conducting an exhaustive study to determine if their biggest advantage, price, would rise above local competitors.  There's no way they'd take the risk of price hikes without knowing it's a sure thing.
 
2014-02-01 08:00:31 AM  
The cost of testing the food is not going to stop a chain with 20+ locations.  Several states already required that...  I think that started about 8 years ago.  Several other countries also require it.  Unless they're a chain only in a very limited geographic area, they already have the information.  They just need to print it from their website and stick it on the wall - which is what the Papa John's here did in order to comply.

The FDA has been phasing this rule in for years now.  Haven't people noticed the calorie counts appearing on fast food signs?  Even before most of this became finalized a lot of restaurants had started doing this because it was fairly clear it would eventually be required.
 
2014-02-01 09:06:13 AM  

bibli0phile: doctor wu: I always enjoy reading the delusional right wing butt-hurt in the comments below such articles.

Even when they had the white house, they still had epic butt hurt, all the farking time. It is amazing.

I know some of you will not believe me, but salt of the earth repubs (i.e. my in-laws) believed Clinton was storing up Chinese in box cars to attack, they believed (even while Dubya was in office) the liberals were hiding Chinese military in their homes. As soon as obama came in, they were convinced they would release the box car regiments.

The tension lessened, slightly, i must admit while dubya was in office. But it was always, there is a booogdadeee boooo liberal in the closet ready to kill you.

For the "party of patriots", they are quite cowardly.


How in the world did we ever survive all these previous years  without the Feds micromanaging our lives in detail?

What type of person is so helpless in life that they need this information when they go out to eat?  How do they even manage to get out of bed without a Federal approved  waking-up  and exiting the bed safety checklist taped to the ceiling over their bed?
 
2014-02-01 11:01:02 AM  
Subby, places like Domino's and Pizza Hut don't serve pizza. They serve grease pies.
 
2014-02-01 11:04:44 AM  

Nabb1: 12349876: Nabb1: For example, restaurants that primarily deal with delivery. Customers would never see it.

Every delivery place I know of also does take out.  Little Caesars promotes their 5 buck hot n ready pizzas for carryout with tons of tv commercials recently.

Little Greasers doesn't deliver. And delivery customers still wouldn't see the board. I've never set foot in the Papa John's I've been ordering from for 15 years.


I like the insult at one chain pizza place while using another one.

/they both suck
 
2014-02-01 12:59:10 PM  
Seriously? They're biatching about how hard it is to do this? Math is hard? If it is sooooo hard to calculate calorie counts for ~30 menu items, we need to give the motherfarkin Nobel Prize in Mathematics to every fat biatch on WeightWatchers or using MyFitnessPal to calculate calorie counts on a weekly basis for home recipes.

Seriously. The Moonie Times and the whiny pansy restaurant chain CEOs need a big goddam biatchslap.

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-01 01:04:34 PM  

sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?


If you don't already know this stuff about your business, your restaurant that you use to serve this food that you purchase, then you deserve to go out of business.
 
2014-02-01 01:12:49 PM  

hasty ambush: If you need the nutritional /caloric info on a pizza/fast food I would l suggest that maybe you should not really be eating one.


Because  healthy people never eaten something bad for them and there is no need to have the information to see what a reasonable amount to consume is or how it affects the rest of their diet.

The whole "if you eat fast food you are a stupid fatty and don't care" is BS.
 
2014-02-01 02:53:44 PM  
Lots of regulations like this *create* jobs. It will generate a lot of business for labs that can do the testing and produce calorie counts for restaurants (for a fee).  But as previous commenters have pointed out, most of the big restaurants already know their calorie counts, and some have already posted them in anticipation of this regulation (McDonalds, Chipotle, Subway, etc.)
 
2014-02-01 03:42:14 PM  

chitownmike: BigBenny: chitownmike: ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.

Who the fark puts egg, etc. in a burger? 'Cuz I will not be eating there! Burger = ground beef salt and pepper cooked for a few mins, on a bun, that's it!

Eggs help the patty stay together. As an aside, have you ever had a fried egg on a burger? Sweet Jesus that is living.

If you want to eat a burger with an egg on it that is fine, awesome in my opinion, but if you count on egg to hold your burger together you are using shiat meat for your burger and nothing can save your soul from that


No soul here. I'm an atheist.
 
2014-02-01 11:13:38 PM  

what_now: creating a nutritional menu for the hundreds of possible food combinations
or, you could do this:

[www.anutinanutshell.com image 400x300]


OUTRAGEOUS!
 
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