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(Washington Times)   The latest ObamaCare scandal: regulating pizzas. THIS. IS. AN. OUTRAGE   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 197
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2014-01-31 04:56:20 PM  
You know it's amazing we've survived as long as we have with out this regulations.
 
2014-01-31 04:56:24 PM  

boyvoyeur: m1ke: The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.

This. I'm ordering a pizza. Any time you do that, you're not eating a healthy meal. I don't need it pointed out to me six times a week.


Why do you hate Free Markets filled with informed consumers?
 
2014-01-31 04:57:20 PM  

poot_rootbeer: New York City has had this regulation on the books for over five years now, as have  Seattle and other cities for nearly as long.  As far as I know, nobody went out of business due to compliance costs.

A well informed buyer is critical to a healthy capitalist system.


McDonald's has been doing it voluntarily for years now as well.
 
2014-01-31 04:58:18 PM  

MemeSlave: Its only for places with 20 or more locations, because you know, big business is the root of all evil.


No, that would be organized religion.  Corrupt governments come in second.  Big businesses who care more about shareholders than goodwill comes in at third on today's countdown <Casey Kasem voice>
 
2014-01-31 05:00:12 PM  

Huggermugger: If these bastards had their way, they'd still be blocking the 1970s laws that mandated nutritional information on packaged supermarket food.


1990s I think, maybe late 80s.  Breakfast cereals listed nutritional information voluntarily as a marketing gimmick (to show off all that vitamin enrichment).
 
2014-01-31 05:00:53 PM  

I alone am best: You dont just have the cost of signs. You have to know how many calories are in the food I doubt they will let you guess(I.E cost of a lab).  When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item\s, the man hours involved in operating collecting and maintaining the info and blah blah blah. You dont just slap up a sign and say 600 calories all done!

Does it cost as much as they say? I doubt it. Does it cost more than "DEPR ITS A SIGN". It probably does.


Guess no, but a reasonable basis is all that is required.

'(iv) REASONABLE BASIS- For the purposes of this clause, a restaurant or similar retail food establishment shall have a reasonable basis for its nutrient content disclosures, including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means, as described in section 101.10 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations (or any successor regulation) or in a related guidance of the Food and Drug Administration.
 
2014-01-31 05:02:03 PM  

cman: but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost


Okay, surprise me.
Shock me with the size of that crushing cost, but be fair about it.
 
2014-01-31 05:02:04 PM  

boyvoyeur: m1ke: The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.

This. I'm ordering a pizza. Any time you do that, you're not eating a healthy meal. I don't need it pointed out to me six times a week.


They took the "lard" out of movie popcorn, and I said nothing.

Then I tasted some cookies one day while home with one of the monsters and thought, "My, it sure does taste different now, compared to when I was younger." So I called the 800 number and asked why. Turns out they had eliminated the cholesterol from the cookies.

"I know it's not a health food!" I protested. "Put the cholesterol back in!"

My kids will never taste McDonald's shakes and fries the way I did.

/Old and fat.
 
2014-01-31 05:06:06 PM  

SumJackass07: ShadowKamui: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

You do realize it costs $$$ to do the nutrition tests

Isn't the info on the Sysco containers?


Yes it is. But reading is so hard. These places just microwave frozen crap anyway. The factories can provide that info.
 
2014-01-31 05:06:48 PM  
So out of curiosity just how many calories is a large meat lovers? 4000-5000?
 
2014-01-31 05:06:57 PM  

Goetz: cman: but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost

Okay, surprise me.
Shock me with the size of that crushing cost, but be fair about it.


...seriously?

You think replacing their menu boards would be cheap? You see how complex they are.
 
2014-01-31 05:07:25 PM  
Those calorie estimates restaurants use, even in good faith, are hardly accurate. If you need to be told that three slices of double pepperoni and sausage pizza are high in fat, calories and sodium and probably aren't good for you, then you probably aren't the sharpest tool in the shed. Of course, if you RTFA, it seems that the industry asked that the regulation be changed and members of both parties in the House and Senate seem willing to help solve the problems and still provide consumer information, but dear lord, someone said something negative about a provision of the ACA, so let's all crap our pants...
 
2014-01-31 05:07:31 PM  

CujoQuarrel: You know it's amazing we've survived as long as we have with out this regulations.


you need to get out more and see how fat people are nowadays.
 
2014-01-31 05:08:07 PM  

Rhypskallion: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why don't they just release a chart we can all understand.

A 3-D model is better.  Here's one for you--make a fist.   That's the natural size of your stomach.   Eat that volume of food--no more the rest is wasted.   Your appetite is the result of cultural mis-training to eat more than you need, and you will get used to it in a few weeks.     Carry on.


Yeah, in the one size fits all world I have to special order gloves to fit hands that can span more than an octave. I have gone for seconds at Jimmy John's, because bread is all foam.
 
2014-01-31 05:08:19 PM  

ShadowKamui: If you serve that raw to your customers, the costs of nutritional tests are going to be the least of your concerns


Cooking food can only reduce its calorie count (with the frying-oil-absorption exception already mentioned), and I don't think anyone's going to be penalized for slightly over-reporting their numbers.
 
2014-01-31 05:09:28 PM  
<dripping sarcasm>

What happens if after reading the nutritional facts we still make the wrong choice? I think it would be best for everyone if we had all our choices made for us by someone in Washington. This way, there is no confusion and wrong choices being made. Thankfully our leaders are not cursed with poor decision making skills like we are.

</dripping sarcasm>
 
2014-01-31 05:10:10 PM  
John Stewart laughs at Obamacare.  Evidently, even though she's now seen it, Nancy Pelosi still doesn't understand it.


http://www.mrctv.org/videos/jon-stewart-laughs-nancy-pelosi-when-she -p leads-ignorance-failure-health-care-website
 
2014-01-31 05:10:19 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD


Lawyer has pizza tested. Employee had put one more pepperoni on the slice. Lawyer sues. Not just the cost of a board.
 
2014-01-31 05:10:41 PM  

ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.


Who the fark puts egg, etc. in a burger? 'Cuz I will not be eating there! Burger = ground beef salt and pepper cooked for a few mins, on a bun, that's it!
 
2014-01-31 05:10:54 PM  
Do people actually trust the nutritional information if it's provided?

/Like trusting Dr.s that work for the NFL.
 
2014-01-31 05:10:58 PM  

sdd2000: I alone am best: You dont just have the cost of signs. You have to know how many calories are in the food I doubt they will let you guess(I.E cost of a lab).  When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item\s, the man hours involved in operating collecting and maintaining the info and blah blah blah. You dont just slap up a sign and say 600 calories all done!

Does it cost as much as they say? I doubt it. Does it cost more than "DEPR ITS A SIGN". It probably does.

Guess no, but a reasonable basis is all that is required.

'(iv) REASONABLE BASIS- For the purposes of this clause, a restaurant or similar retail food establishment shall have a reasonable basis for its nutrient content disclosures, including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means, as described in section 101.10 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations (or any successor regulation) or in a related guidance of the Food and Drug Administration.


I think you read that wrong, that is saying they need a reasonable basis for what they display on the sign including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means.
 
2014-01-31 05:12:01 PM  
So what restaurant that says in business does not keep track of their ingredient costs?
 
2014-01-31 05:12:17 PM  

Headso: CujoQuarrel: You know it's amazing we've survived as long as we have with out this regulations.

you need to get out more and see how fat people are nowadays.


Are you suggesting that all these regulations are making people fat?
 
2014-01-31 05:12:29 PM  

Huggermugger: If these bastards had their way, they'd still be blocking the 1970s laws that mandated nutritional information on packaged supermarket food.


The 1990 Nutrition Labeling and Education Act
I'm assuming you were born sometime after disco
 
2014-01-31 05:13:54 PM  

MyRandomName: Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD

Lawyer has pizza tested. Employee had put one more pepperoni on the slice. Lawyer sues. Not just the cost of a board.


Your a moron.
 
2014-01-31 05:14:13 PM  

Nabb1: but dear lord, someone said something negative about a provision of the ACA, so let's all crap our pants...


Be fair.  How was anyone to differentiate this particular "ACA will kill businesses" claim from the millions of other "ACA will kill businesses" claims?  The justification that this one time there might be some reasonable tweak to its provisions that seems to provide nearly the same public benefit while at the same time easing compliance seems to be thin.  It's almost special pleading to say "OK guys, ignore all those other baseless, BS attacks we've made on the ACA--as well as the many more we're sure to make in the future--THIS ONE TIME you have to give us some benefit of the doubt, otherwise you're being unreasonable."
 
2014-01-31 05:14:40 PM  

MyRandomName: Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD

Lawyer has pizza tested. Employee had put one more pepperoni on the slice. Lawyer sues. Not just the cost of a board.


Sues for what damages and what cause of action?
 
2014-01-31 05:15:08 PM  

mrlewish: So what restaurant that says in business does not keep track of their ingredient costs?


Good ol' mom & pop places that "Owe"bama is trying to run into the ground.

You know, those small town business owners who have 20 restaurants.  Real salt of the Earth.
 
2014-01-31 05:16:51 PM  

Skleenar: Nabb1: but dear lord, someone said something negative about a provision of the ACA, so let's all crap our pants...

Be fair.  How was anyone to differentiate this particular "ACA will kill businesses" claim from the millions of other "ACA will kill businesses" claims?  The justification that this one time there might be some reasonable tweak to its provisions that seems to provide nearly the same public benefit while at the same time easing compliance seems to be thin.  It's almost special pleading to say "OK guys, ignore all those other baseless, BS attacks we've made on the ACA--as well as the many more we're sure to make in the future--THIS ONE TIME you have to give us some benefit of the doubt, otherwise you're being unreasonable."


Okay, that's fair in general, but I refuse to be fair to complaints that could have been assuaged by simply reading the article.
 
2014-01-31 05:16:51 PM  
I decided what I am making for dinner tonight
 
2014-01-31 05:16:51 PM  

Rhypskallion: A 3-D model is better. Here's one for you--make a fist. That's the natural size of your stomach. Eat that volume of food--no more the rest is wasted. Your appetite is the result of cultural mis-training to eat more than you need, and you will get used to it in a few weeks. Carry on.


ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-31 05:18:10 PM  
print out a piece of paper with the item and calories-per-serving, and let the customers do the math.

/my money-saving methods don't come cheap
 
2014-01-31 05:19:21 PM  

Rhypskallion: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why don't they just release a chart we can all understand.

A 3-D model is better.  Here's one for you--make a fist.   That's the natural size of your stomach.   Eat that volume of food--no more the rest is wasted.   Your appetite is the result of cultural mis-training to eat more than you need, and you will get used to it in a few weeks.     Carry on.


Every hour?
 
2014-01-31 05:20:33 PM  
I alone am best: When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item

I was responding to this in your post and the answer is no you can use any of these--including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means
 
2014-01-31 05:22:32 PM  

cman: Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD

I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost


Or you could just pot a sticker on there with the calories.
 
2014-01-31 05:23:08 PM  

MyRandomName: Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD

Lawyer has pizza tested. Employee had put one more pepperoni on the slice. Lawyer sues. Not just the cost of a board.


That's not how it works.

Someone has to outraged by a continuous misrepresentation of ingredient count enough to contact a lawyer.  The lawyer would have to first determine whether there is some sort of intentional misrepresentation of the resturanteer or a institutional practice which may result in the miscount of ingredient.  After determining the validity of the complaint, the lawyer would notify the institution of the complaint thus giving them time to correct the error.

There would have to be continual and intentional disreguard of the complaint before any type of suit could b pursued and actual damages determined.
 
2014-01-31 05:24:57 PM  
I put one egg per pound of beef in my hamburgers.


tay steeee
 
2014-01-31 05:28:57 PM  
To the people biatching about the costs of coming up with the calorie counts... I'm just one guy, and if I want to know how many calories are in a homemade meal, here's what I do: I weigh the amount of ingredient I'll be using to make the meal, I check the ingredient label to see how many calories are in a serving, I do a little math, I write down the total, and I repeat that for every ingredient. Maybe that takes five minutes. What exactly is so hard about this? They don't have to send each menu item to a frickin' lab. We already know the calorie content of stuff. What, they can do all the calculations required to determine how much they should mark up their food, but they can't be bothered to do the calculations to determine how fat their food will make us?
 
2014-01-31 05:29:09 PM  

busy chillin': I put one egg per pound of beef in my hamburgers.


tay steeee


Roll in some bread crumbs and diced onions while you're at it.
 
2014-01-31 05:29:46 PM  

sdd2000: I alone am best: When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item

I was responding to this in your post and the answer is no you can use any of these--including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means


But you guys, it's really expensive to google up nutrition facts for ingredients and know how much I use for each product I make! It could take a second-grader nearly hours to add up the numbers!
 
2014-01-31 05:30:44 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD


I was under the impression that the regulation was so poorly written that it required every possible permutation/combination which would involve hundreds of square feet of signage, even if the font was like size 9.
 
2014-01-31 05:30:54 PM  

Steigen: Huggermugger: If these bastards had their way, they'd still be blocking the 1970s laws that mandated nutritional information on packaged supermarket food.

The 1990 Nutrition Labeling and Education Act
I'm assuming you were born sometime after disco


That's when it was finally implemented.  It took a couple of decades to hash it all out, but I know they started fighting it in the 1970s.

/born during the Cold War
//worked part-time at a grocery store when I was in college in the late 70s
 
2014-01-31 05:31:10 PM  
I'm actually okay with the entire article except for the last sentence: Congress should follow up passage of the Common Sense bill with a vote to repeal Obamacare before it does more any more damage.

My takeaway is that they found a somewhat legitimate painpoint in Obamacare, are in the process of fixing it, and therefore Obamacare is even better than it was before.  BOOM.  Republican Democracy!

To the naysayers--if the bill actually requires a business to put nutritional information on a menu board, that can be an expensive addition if the boards aren't easily changed.  I've seen sandwich shops whose menus are literally carved into hardwood panels on the wall. It doesn't look cheap, anyway.
 
2014-01-31 05:31:13 PM  
Reading that headline made me hungry for pizza.  Pizza Hut pan cheese lovers with Alfredo sauce and pepperoni.
Not so sure that calorie counts matter when you crave something like that. You know it tops 5000 so it is a diet bomb.
 
2014-01-31 05:33:36 PM  

boyvoyeur: m1ke: The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.

This. I'm ordering a pizza. Any time you do that, you're not eating a healthy meal. I don't need it pointed out to me six times a week.


So, a mean isn't good for you. You could be a very healthy person that treats himself on occasion. Knowing how bad something actually is for you is valuable.

Let's say, my friends and I go out for bugers one Saturday. If I know the nutritional information is I can appropriately adjust my meals over the next few days.

For people that go to those places daily, they don't care. But others do.
 
2014-01-31 05:34:06 PM  
I always enjoy reading the delusional right wing butt-hurt in the comments below such articles.
 
2014-01-31 05:38:46 PM  

Jaymark108: I've seen sandwich shops whose menus are literally carved into hardwood panels on the wall. It doesn't look cheap, anyway.


Well, they wanted to do that when they created their menus; they can do it to amend it. That's assuming they have 20+ locations, and if they do that at 20+ locations, that's just nuts.

/and they'll probably have some type of exemptions
//they'll happily raise prices, just know that it's not going to be costing them much

rev. dave: Not so sure that calorie counts matter when you crave something like that. You know it tops 5000 so it is a diet bomb.


I love the Chicken Bacon Ranch stuffed pizza from Papa Murphy's. I looked up the nutritional information - a slice (1/16 of a pizza) goes for 370 calories.

I only slice pizzas into 8 pieces. Then I used to have four slices.

:/ @ realizing I just consumed nearly 3000 calories in one meal (without factoring drinks in)

/two slices are okay, but still 1480 calories
//1/8 of a pizza isn't even worth the time to bake it
 
2014-01-31 05:38:50 PM  

IAmRight: sdd2000: I alone am best: When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item

I was responding to this in your post and the answer is no you can use any of these--including nutrient databases, cookbooks, laboratory analyses, and other reasonable means

But you guys, it's really expensive to google up nutrition facts for ingredients and know how much I use for each product I make! It could take a second-grader nearly hours to add up the numbers!


Basic math is not reasonable means to a derper!
 
2014-01-31 05:39:19 PM  

doctor wu: I always enjoy reading the delusional right wing butt-hurt in the comments below such articles.


Aren't they amazing?
 
2014-01-31 05:39:45 PM  

cman: Cagey B: cman: Cagey B: cman: I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost

Try me. Whatever it is I'm sure will bankrupt utterly a business with at least twenty operating restaurants.

Try you? I already said it was a BS argument

The statement that we'd be "surprised how much something like this could cost" implies that doing this is a) relatively expensive and b) some sort of noticeable burden to the parties that would have to comply. If that's genuinely not what you were driving at, then whatever.

Thats why I added "to be fair"


Your mom is a whore.  No disrespect.

I added "no disrespect."
 
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