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(Washington Times)   The latest ObamaCare scandal: regulating pizzas. THIS. IS. AN. OUTRAGE   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 197
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2014-01-31 04:00:19 PM
requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs
of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD
 
2014-01-31 04:09:27 PM

creating a nutritional menu for the hundreds of possible food combinations


or, you could do this:



www.anutinanutshell.com
 
2014-01-31 04:14:52 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD


I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost
 
2014-01-31 04:16:15 PM

cman: I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost


Try me. Whatever it is I'm sure will bankrupt utterly a business with at least twenty operating restaurants.
 
2014-01-31 04:17:50 PM

Cagey B: cman: I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost

Try me. Whatever it is I'm sure will bankrupt utterly a business with at least twenty operating restaurants.


Try you? I already said it was a BS argument
 
2014-01-31 04:20:08 PM
According to the Food Marketing Institute, which represents retail grocery chains, the current proposed menu-labeling regulation would cost the industry $1 billion in the first year of implementation


lol, sounds legit
 
2014-01-31 04:22:34 PM

cman: Cagey B: cman: I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost

Try me. Whatever it is I'm sure will bankrupt utterly a business with at least twenty operating restaurants.

Try you? I already said it was a BS argument


The statement that we'd be "surprised how much something like this could cost" implies that doing this is a) relatively expensive and b) some sort of noticeable burden to the parties that would have to comply. If that's genuinely not what you were driving at, then whatever.
 
2014-01-31 04:23:17 PM

Cagey B: cman: Cagey B: cman: I see it as a BS argument, but to be fair, you would be surprised how much something like this could cost

Try me. Whatever it is I'm sure will bankrupt utterly a business with at least twenty operating restaurants.

Try you? I already said it was a BS argument

The statement that we'd be "surprised how much something like this could cost" implies that doing this is a) relatively expensive and b) some sort of noticeable burden to the parties that would have to comply. If that's genuinely not what you were driving at, then whatever.


Thats why I added "to be fair"
 
2014-01-31 04:28:41 PM
Meh, this actually does seem kind of stupid, intrusive, and pointless to me.

Not often he and I see eye to eye, but I'm with the True Father Rev. Dr. Sun Myung Moon on this one. May he continue to perform mass weddings atop his blessed space dragon beyond the sun.
 
2014-01-31 04:31:30 PM

Headso: According to the Food Marketing Institute, which represents retail grocery chains, the current proposed menu-labeling regulation would cost the industry $1 billion in the first year of implementation


lol, sounds legit


Yeah, those are rapidly approaching the annual costs of people watching NCAA basketball games right there.
 
2014-01-31 04:33:19 PM

Langston: Headso: According to the Food Marketing Institute, which represents retail grocery chains, the current proposed menu-labeling regulation would cost the industry $1 billion in the first year of implementation


lol, sounds legit

Yeah, those are rapidly approaching the annual costs of people watching NCAA basketball games right there.


Obama could take like 5 vacations for that much!
 
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2014-01-31 04:34:30 PM
That's nonsense.  Stores already spend plenty on  promotional signage.  They could simply combine the two and it would cost nothing extra.
 
2014-01-31 04:35:03 PM
What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner
 
2014-01-31 04:38:09 PM
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.
 
2014-01-31 04:38:40 PM
What a stupid argu.... Oh, it's the Moonie Times.  Carry on.
 
2014-01-31 04:38:51 PM

Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner


You do realize it costs $$$ to do the nutrition tests
 
2014-01-31 04:40:19 PM
Obama will not be happy until he is analyzing my stool.
 
2014-01-31 04:40:29 PM
Its only for places with 20 or more locations, because you know, big business is the root of all evil.
 
2014-01-31 04:41:50 PM
This again?  Why do they trot the same complaints out year after   year after year as though  these are new "surprising" parts of the law?
 
2014-01-31 04:42:08 PM

Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner


How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?
 
2014-01-31 04:42:08 PM

ShadowKamui: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

You do realize it costs $$$ to do the nutrition tests


Isn't the info on the Sysco containers?
 
2014-01-31 04:43:07 PM

m1ke: The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.


nobody is going to force you to eat healthy, fatty.
 
2014-01-31 04:43:54 PM
According to the Food Marketing Institute, which represents retail grocery chains, the current proposed menu-labeling regulation would cost the industry $1 billion in the first year of implementation 

That's like, $3 a person over the course of a year. Many people eat out more than once a week... So, what is that, like 6 cents per person per meal? Maybe 20 cents per person per meal, since not everybody eats out the same amount?
 
2014-01-31 04:43:54 PM
That's just wrong. A man who spent as long as he did serving the state of Illinois has no business regulating pizza.
 
2014-01-31 04:44:23 PM

ShadowKamui: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

You do realize it costs $$$ to do the nutrition tests


If you have 20 or more locations, you have a set of standards for each dish.  The on-site cooks don't get to buy their own random supplies from wherever and wing their own dishes.  You know what the caloric content of your ingredients are and you know what your recipes are.
 
2014-01-31 04:45:26 PM
I watched a few episodes of Restaurant Impossible and one of the big things was costing out a menu item. If you can break down a menu item to it's cost then you can break down it's calorie content. Well, except fried food. Some of that will be an estimate of the oil picked up, but it won't be as much as people accuse them of.

This may, however, prompt some operators to stop at 19 restaurants. Then maybe open more that look very similar to the others, but it's a different corporation.
 
2014-01-31 04:45:52 PM
My wife is a chef, and I have some serious food allergies, so I have a vague clue about how difficult something like this would be to create.  The answer is not very.   Accurate information would cost more--but the odds of quality analysis done by a regulating body (FDA?) seems pretty low.    Accurate information would also be difficult to calculate and maintain.   Ex: When you cook in oil, how much of the oil is actually retained by the item?   Are all slices of pepperoni the same thickness and therefore calorie count?   If suppliers change, are the replacement products equivalent or will there be variations?    How often does the board get updated?

Until we have tricorders or some other tech to scan a plate and give us stats, truly accurate info will never be available.
 
2014-01-31 04:46:23 PM
Wait. Did the real math.

The Restaurant industry is $683 billion/year. If this will cost the restaurant industry $1 billion as a whole, expect a 0.14 cents/dollar increase on your meal.

This truly is going to ruin the industry.
 
2014-01-31 04:46:26 PM
Aren't restaurants already required by law to have nutritional information available to customers, whether in the form of a separate board (usually found in an out-of-the-way location in the store that customers are less likely to be in) or some brochure or pamphlet that customers have to specifically request? Wouldn't this just require them to make that stuff more readily available?
 
2014-01-31 04:46:32 PM

sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?


They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.
 
2014-01-31 04:47:12 PM
Incidentally all this bill does is change the rule from "having a board" to "post online".  This isn't even news.  No company is going to be saved because they no longer have to have a menu board.
 
2014-01-31 04:47:39 PM

m1ke: The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.


This. I'm ordering a pizza. Any time you do that, you're not eating a healthy meal. I don't need it pointed out to me six times a week.
 
2014-01-31 04:47:58 PM
you can have my pizza when you pry it from my cold dead greasy teeth.

/DRTFA
 
2014-01-31 04:48:20 PM
New York City has had this regulation on the books for over five years now, as have  Seattle and other cities for nearly as long.  As far as I know, nobody went out of business due to compliance costs.

A well informed buyer is critical to a healthy capitalist system.
 
2014-01-31 04:49:01 PM
To be honest - if you think anything at these restaurants is good for you you probably deserve to be fat with diabetes.

If you are a smart restaurant (that is healthy) you do this without being asked.

Side note: Chipotle (I love you)
 
2014-01-31 04:49:06 PM

wildcardjack: This may, however, prompt some operators to stop at 19 restaurants. Then maybe open more that look very similar to the others, but it's a different corporation.


This is probably all that happens.

It's kinda like the kid that goes and builds a fort in the back yard to avoid cleaning his room. They're willing to do more work and pay just as much or more, they just don't want to do what they're told.
 
2014-01-31 04:49:30 PM

ValisIV: sufferpuppet: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

How bout the cost of producing that data?    Having somebody determine the calorie counts for an entire menu.  Think that's free?

They know how many ounces of X are in each dish, and the calorie info on that is readily available. It's like you know you put 1lb of ground beef, 2 eggs, etc into your burger patties, and made 4 patties, you can do some quick maths, and find out. Chain restaurants measure everything.  Also, calorie testing is really cheap.


If you serve that raw to your customers, the costs of nutritional tests are going to be the least of your concerns
 
2014-01-31 04:49:42 PM
Why don't they just release a chart we can all understand.

On a standard Large Pizza (16")

1-2 Slices: Normal
3-4 Slices: That uncomfortable feeling is telling you something.
4+ Slices: Good job fatty
 
2014-01-31 04:50:50 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: 4+ Slices: Good job fatty


Thanks, I work hard at it.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:17 PM
Why do people continue to buy into BS like this?  Of course the people who will have to pay for this (corporations) want customers to believe it will raise prices - but the world just doesn't work that way.

If Papa John's could get more money for there crappy pizza then they are already charging, wouldn't they already be doing that??

Price is not Cost plus Desired Profit.  Price is what the market will bear, and Profit is Price minus Cost.

Don't be dumb.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:21 PM
You can get 20 3x6 vinyl signs for $35 bucks each.  I can't imagine a nice wooden sign, with your logo, in 2 or 3 colors could cost much more than $150 each.  That's a one-time only expense.  That's 20 minimum wage part-time hours spread out over the life of the sign.  Leaving the restaurant lights on a half hour longer each day would cost tons more in only a few weeks.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:36 PM
Use your designer to put the layout together. email the pdf to each franchise, print that sh*t off on 8.5x11 from the office printer. Post it.

The designer is the most expensive part. Some prima donna designer/ad agency will charge $150 an hour. This will take 22 hours.

hahahahaha.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:51 PM

ShadowKamui: Ritley: What an asinine argument. The cost of a board showing nutrition info is not burdensome in any manner

You do realize it costs $$$ to do the nutrition tests


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorimeter

For the biggest companies, they could add a few machines and a few scientists at minimal overall cost.

For the growing companies, it might be a bit of a hit, but they seem to have no problem spending large sums of money to advertise that double meat, double-stuffed-bun  jalapeno bacon burger greasebomb. I have no problem with them having to explain just how much it's going to cost YOU, and I don't mean $$$.

They're really worried about people thinking twice about ordering the Angus Angioplasty Burger and Infarction fries.

Fark em.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:58 PM
"The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices."

Complete and utter bullshiat! It's a one time expense, you don't raise prices over a one time expense.
 
2014-01-31 04:52:31 PM

Headso: Langston: Headso: According to the Food Marketing Institute, which represents retail grocery chains, the current proposed menu-labeling regulation would cost the industry $1 billion in the first year of implementation


lol, sounds legit

Yeah, those are rapidly approaching the annual costs of people watching NCAA basketball games right there.

Obama could take like 5 vacations for that much!


Still doesn't approach the amount that pirating a single movie costs the industry, however.
 
2014-01-31 04:52:54 PM
If these bastards had their way, they'd still be blocking the 1970s laws that mandated nutritional information on packaged supermarket food.
 
Ant
2014-01-31 04:53:37 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie-content information for each menu item on a board at every establishment.  The costs of this intrusive regulation would be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices


The costs of  a board

THE COSTS of A BOARD


To be fair, I think they have to have someone calculate the nutritional value of each menu item.
 
2014-01-31 04:53:50 PM
You dont just have the cost of signs. You have to know how many calories are in the food I doubt they will let you guess(I.E cost of a lab).  When you change it you have to have the lab tell you how many calories are in your new menu item\s, the man hours involved in operating collecting and maintaining the info and blah blah blah. You dont just slap up a sign and say 600 calories all done!

Does it cost as much as they say? I doubt it. Does it cost more than "DEPR ITS A SIGN". It probably does.
 
2014-01-31 04:53:57 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why don't they just release a chart we can all understand.


A 3-D model is better.  Here's one for you--make a fist.   That's the natural size of your stomach.   Eat that volume of food--no more the rest is wasted.   Your appetite is the result of cultural mis-training to eat more than you need, and you will get used to it in a few weeks.     Carry on.
 
2014-01-31 04:56:19 PM

Rhypskallion: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why don't they just release a chart we can all understand.

A 3-D model is better.  Here's one for you--make a fist.   That's the natural size of your stomach.   Eat that volume of food--no more the rest is wasted.   Your appetite is the result of cultural mis-training to eat more than you need, and you will get used to it in a few weeks.     Carry on.


I eat that many cookies with every meal.

/cookies
 
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