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(Daily Kos)   Sorry about keeping your brain-dead wife on life support against her will because of our medieval religious laws -- here's a massive hospital bill to make you feel better   (dailykos.com) divider line 200
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2014-01-31 04:32:50 PM  

genner: Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?


No on both counts.
 
2014-01-31 04:35:49 PM  
Stay classy Texas.
 
2014-01-31 04:37:22 PM  
Time for a freeperthon!
 
2014-01-31 04:37:36 PM  

genner: Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?


According to another article the fetus was badly deformed from the waist down & had hydrocephalus. Not surprising really since it gestating in the womb of a dead woman. Even if it had been born it probably wouldn't have survived for very long.
 
2014-01-31 04:38:41 PM  

heavymetal: Like I have said so many times; conservatives are not against a "nanny state", they just want to be the nannies.  They are all about personal freedom as long as you make the choices they want you to make.  You are free to decide to do what they want you to do.  if you choose differently it is a direct assault on their right to choose for you.


Sounds like my relationship with my wife.
 
2014-01-31 04:38:50 PM  

chuggernaught: genner: Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?

No on both counts.


Unless there's a system built in where the child can be delivered at some point I'm not sure what the point of the law is.
 
2014-01-31 04:41:15 PM  
Too bad this wasn't a private hospital.  He tells them he refuses to pay for any continuing care after they decide they can not keep her on life support, she would probably die when they attempt to transfer her to County.

Since this is a county hospital, it's more difficult.  At least they usually have assistance for people who can't pay.  Oh wait... Texas.
 
2014-01-31 04:41:46 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: According to another article the fetus was badly deformed from the waist down & had hydrocephalus. Not surprising really since it gestating in the womb of a dead woman. Even if it had been born it probably wouldn't have survived for very long.


Also no brain either.
 
2014-01-31 04:42:17 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: genner: Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?

According to another article the fetus was badly deformed from the waist down & had hydrocephalus. Not surprising really since it gestating in the womb of a dead woman being pumped full of chemicals that have nasty effects on fetuses to keep her from rotting. Even if it had been born it probably wouldn't have survived for very long.


FTFY. The fetus, like its mother, was dead, and the fact that her body was kept "alive" just so some assholes could wave their "LOOK HOW PRO-LIFE I AM" dicks around is an absolute atrocity.
 
2014-01-31 04:42:53 PM  

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.


I'll reserve my complete admiration for the hospital until I'm sure they've billed the poor man then graciously, with all manner of overexposed media coverage, forgiven the bloated bill in its entirety.

/the one saving grace is the bloated, overcharged, multiple-billing debt will be paid for by countless tummy tucks, vajayjay remodels, pecker pumps and lots of other necessary medical procedures paid for by the same kind of people who thought keeping two corpses on life-support was the ethical thing to do
/not to mention a few procedures done on young white well-to-do daughters paid for by their mothers who refused to raise their daughter's little lump for them
 
2014-01-31 04:43:37 PM  

MutantMotherMouse: spouses owe medical bills


That's not generally true. It can be true in community-property states (which include Texas), but as a general rule it requires a written agreement to take on anyone else's debt, including your spouse's. Obviously you should consult the rules in your particular jurisdiction for details.
 
2014-01-31 04:43:57 PM  
As dumb as the whole thing is, the hospital may have legal precedent to collect all of the medical bills. People that have been admitted to hospitals against their will or without consent (mental institutions, ambulances to hospital after passing out drunk) have contested hospital bills and it seems like they always lose.

IANAL, but I believe being admitted to the hospital and receiving care, requested or not, places the burden on the patient.
 
2014-01-31 04:44:53 PM  
FTA: Erick Muñoz acknowledged that he has been receiving medical bills at his home - although he's not sure exactly what he will be expected to pay.


Not a damn cent, that's what.
 
2014-01-31 04:45:56 PM  

heavymetal: Like I have said so many times; conservatives are not against a "nanny state", they just want to be the nannies.  They are all about personal freedom as long as you make the choices they want you to make.  You are free to decide to do what they want you to do.  if you choose differently it is a direct assault on their right to choose for you.


Harrumph! Well said.
 
2014-01-31 04:46:45 PM  

MBrady: Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.

FTFA:  In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Erick Muñoz acknowledged that he has been receiving medical bills at his home - although he's not sure exactly what he will be expected to pay.

reading - it's not that hard.

if I were him, I'd send the bills to 0bama and botox


I think it would be more appropriate to take them to Rick Perry.  I don't see how Obama is involved in this.
 
2014-01-31 04:47:56 PM  

Doom On You: FTA: Erick Muñoz acknowledged that he has been receiving medical bills at his home - although he's not sure exactly what he will be expected to pay.


Not a damn cent, that's what.


Had he mentioned sooner that he had no intention of paying the plug would have been pulled long ago.
 
2014-01-31 04:47:56 PM  
Excellent trolling subby. A false headline specifically designed to induce frothing.

/tiphat
 
2014-01-31 04:49:35 PM  
Just don't pay it.   Jesus.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:59 PM  
To be fair if he ( a paramedic IIRC) has to pay he will actually meet the 10s of thousands of dollars of deductible he now gets to pay under Obamacare. So that's kinda nice.
 
2014-01-31 04:52:02 PM  

brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Defend yourself and your estate against busybodies of the left and right alike, against free entreprising HMOs and government loving social democrats, liberals, socialists, commies, Nazis and statists of the right and left.

The socalled "death panels" are designed to resolve issues raised by just such cases where the will of the decease, their family, their doctors, their HMO, their insurance company and their government do not necessarily find common ground.

Of course, I shouldn't talk. I haven't updated my will in ages. It needs to be done sooner rather than later. But look out for the pitfalls of dying intestate or losing control over your own body and life due to some busybodies of State or Church or simply your own thieving greedy family members. It is so easy to talk yourself into a rationalization of why you deserve it all or why you should override the express wishes of even your loved ones. Padlock the door on that happening.


She had a living will. They ignored it.

/Sleep tight
 
2014-01-31 04:54:01 PM  

TV's Vinnie: IMO, the hospital should only be paid up until the point where the husband asked to have his wife taken off life support.

Any other charges after that is the hospital's obscene violation of human rights, and if they really want to push it, they'd better bring some KY to the courtroom or the husband's lawyers are going in dry.


You know you're farked when I agree with a left wing farktard
 
2014-01-31 04:54:52 PM  
The article said she was pregnant, that's why they didn't take her off life support (or did I read wrong)

What happened to the baby?
 
2014-01-31 04:55:41 PM  
Shouldn't they send the bill to the patient?
 
2014-01-31 04:56:05 PM  

PsiChick: brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Defend yourself and your estate against busybodies of the left and right alike, against free entreprising HMOs and government loving social democrats, liberals, socialists, commies, Nazis and statists of the right and left.

The socalled "death panels" are designed to resolve issues raised by just such cases where the will of the decease, their family, their doctors, their HMO, their insurance company and their government do not necessarily find common ground.

Of course, I shouldn't talk. I haven't updated my will in ages. It needs to be done sooner rather than later. But look out for the pitfalls of dying intestate or losing control over your own body and life due to some busybodies of State or Church or simply your own thieving greedy family members. It is so easy to talk yourself into a rationalization of why you deserve it all or why you should override the express wishes of even your loved ones. Padlock the door on that happening.

She had a living will. They ignored it.

/Sleep tight


It's not the hospital's fault though. There were legally required to keep her on life support because she was pregnant at the time.
 
2014-01-31 04:58:13 PM  

ManateeGag: The article said she was pregnant, that's why they didn't take her off life support (or did I read wrong)

What happened to the baby?


It was delivered and got a full ride to Texas A&M.
 
2014-01-31 04:58:42 PM  

brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.


Not to keep piling it on...but it can't be said enough on this topic.  She had a living will.  It was ignored because she was pregnant and it conflicted with this law:    Sec. 166.049. PREGNANT PATIENTS. A person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient (the subchapter being the code regarding living wills)

If hospitals want to be dicks about it, under Texas law it might be impossible to have your living will honored if you are pregnant, no matter how particular you are with the directives.

In fact, in 26 states, there are laws that allow for living wills to be ignored if the patient is pregnant.  26!!!!!!
 
2014-01-31 05:00:19 PM  

armor helix: As dumb as the whole thing is, the hospital may have legal precedent to collect all of the medical bills. People that have been admitted to hospitals against their will or without consent (mental institutions, ambulances to hospital after passing out drunk) have contested hospital bills and it seems like they always lose.

IANAL, but I believe being admitted to the hospital and receiving care, requested or not, places the burden on the patient.



So let the patient get the bill then.  Of course, being dead, it's unlikely that her credit will take much of a hit when it goes to a collection agency.
 
2014-01-31 05:03:11 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TV's Vinnie: IMO, the hospital should only be paid up until the point where the husband asked to have his wife taken off life support.

Any other charges after that is the hospital's obscene violation of human rights, and if they really want to push it, they'd better bring some KY to the courtroom or the husband's lawyers are going in dry.

You know you're farked when I agree with a left wing farktard


That's MISTER left wing farktard to you, boy.
 
2014-01-31 05:07:39 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: Reminds me of how they charge you for the bullet that executes your loved ones in China.


The hospital's council needs that treatment.
 
2014-01-31 05:08:20 PM  
Do it!  Please go ahead and bill this person.  The resulting asskicking you and the state of texas will be getting in court is going to be hilarious.
 
2014-01-31 05:09:03 PM  
If the state wants this then the state pays for this as that is just how it should be, if you demand extraordinary measures by law then you should be willing to pay for it, period end of statement.  Now personally I think the state was idiotic to require such measures, but if they are going to be idiots then they should be sure to pay for their stupidity and not the poor family who is having to deal with the loss of life.  I am sure this man is being tortured daily by the loss of his wife and the loss of what could have been a second child, and he certainly does not need to face a mountain of medial bills that will destroy his and his son's lives just because some supposed "small government" conservative decided to get involved.
 
2014-01-31 05:10:34 PM  

armor helix: As dumb as the whole thing is, the hospital may have legal precedent to collect all of the medical bills. People that have been admitted to hospitals against their will or without consent (mental institutions, ambulances to hospital after passing out drunk) have contested hospital bills and it seems like they always lose.

IANAL, but I believe being admitted to the hospital and receiving care, requested or not, places the burden on the patient.


How many of those peoples had DNR orders and were kept alive against their will?
 
2014-01-31 05:11:57 PM  

mrlewish: Her family doesn't owe anything. The dead woman's estate might but no not the family.

You can't pass debt to another person.

The estate that she owns with her husband?
 
2014-01-31 05:12:57 PM  

mrlewish: Her family doesn't owe anything. The dead woman's estate might but no not the family.

You can't pass debt to another person.


Glad that there is one reasonable person here.
 
2014-01-31 05:13:15 PM  

efgeise: PsiChick: brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Defend yourself and your estate against busybodies of the left and right alike, against free entreprising HMOs and government loving social democrats, liberals, socialists, commies, Nazis and statists of the right and left.

The socalled "death panels" are designed to resolve issues raised by just such cases where the will of the decease, their family, their doctors, their HMO, their insurance company and their government do not necessarily find common ground.

Of course, I shouldn't talk. I haven't updated my will in ages. It needs to be done sooner rather than later. But look out for the pitfalls of dying intestate or losing control over your own body and life due to some busybodies of State or Church or simply your own thieving greedy family members. It is so easy to talk yourself into a rationalization of why you deserve it all or why you should override the express wishes of even your loved ones. Padlock the door on that happening.

She had a living will. They ignored it.

/Sleep tight

It's not the hospital's fault though. There were legally required to keep her on life support because she was pregnant at the time.


Is this the part of the thread where we ignore the judge's rulings that say the hospital grossly misinterpreted the law?
 
2014-01-31 05:14:06 PM  

meat0918: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

If my reading comprehension hasn't failed me, it says the media outlets have been told the hospital "would continue normal billing".

So he hasn't gotten the full bill yet.

I'd hope a court, if it gets that far, would not force him to pay the amount the hospital may say is owed after the family said "Let her die"


The family owes nothing. The bills are in the wife's name and she's dead. They don't get to go after the family for her bills.
 
2014-01-31 05:15:59 PM  

brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Defend yourself and your estate against busybodies of the left and right alike, against free entreprising HMOs and government loving social democrats, liberals, socialists, commies, Nazis and statists of the right and left.

The socalled "death panels" are designed to resolve issues raised by just such cases where the will of the decease, their family, their doctors, their HMO, their insurance company and their government do not necessarily find common ground.

Of course, I shouldn't talk. I haven't updated my will in ages. It needs to be done sooner rather than later. But look out for the pitfalls of dying intestate or losing control over your own body and life due to some busybodies of State or Church or simply your own thieving greedy family members. It is so easy to talk yourself into a rationalization of why you deserve it all or why you should override the express wishes of even your loved ones. Padlock the door on that happening.


She had an DNA order on the books. They decided not to follow it, so they couldn't be accused of denying the pregnant lady life saving care.
 
2014-01-31 05:19:04 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TV's Vinnie: IMO, the hospital should only be paid up until the point where the husband asked to have his wife taken off life support.

Any other charges after that is the hospital's obscene violation of human rights, and if they really want to push it, they'd better bring some KY to the courtroom or the husband's lawyers are going in dry.

You know you're farked when I agree with a left wing farktard


static.giantbomb.com
 
2014-01-31 05:21:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.


The surviving spouse is not obligated to pay these. The hospital can attempt to bill all they want.
 
2014-01-31 05:21:39 PM  

genner: Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?


14 weeks and water on the brain. So, no.
 
2014-01-31 05:22:07 PM  

Slam Bradley: brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Not to keep piling it on...but it can't be said enough on this topic.  She had a living will.  It was ignored because she was pregnant and it conflicted with this law:    Sec. 166.049. PREGNANT PATIENTS. A person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient (the subchapter being the code regarding living wills)

If hospitals want to be dicks about it, under Texas law it might be impossible to have your living will honored if you are pregnant, no matter how particular you are with the directives.

In fact, in 26 states, there are laws that allow for living wills to be ignored if the patient is pregnant.  26!!!!!!


This is why I think women of child-bearing age should add an addendum to their living wills to the effect of "If I am pregnant within ( x ) trimester/week window ( x further directive x )" - and have bio dad sign it as well.

THAT would make for some serious derpitude
 
2014-01-31 05:22:36 PM  

shlabotnik: Excellent trolling subby. A false headline specifically designed to induce frothing.

/tiphat


FTA: "In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Erick Muñoz acknowledged that he has been receiving medical bills at his home - although he's not sure exactly what he will be expected to pay.  "

Are you doubting that his bills are massive, or that his bills cover anything since late November, when his wife was declared brain dead and he asked to stop life support?
 
2014-01-31 05:23:25 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: Reminds me of how they charge you for the bullet that executes your loved ones in China.


So you think this story is most likely an urban legend?

Or are you thinking of Iran?
 
PJ-
2014-01-31 05:24:25 PM  

Warlordtrooper: armor helix: As dumb as the whole thing is, the hospital may have legal precedent to collect all of the medical bills. People that have been admitted to hospitals against their will or without consent (mental institutions, ambulances to hospital after passing out drunk) have contested hospital bills and it seems like they always lose.

IANAL, but I believe being admitted to the hospital and receiving care, requested or not, places the burden on the patient.

How many of those peoples had DNR orders and were kept alive against their will?


DNR is different than being kept alive.
 
2014-01-31 05:28:51 PM  

parasol: Slam Bradley: brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Not to keep piling it on...but it can't be said enough on this topic.  She had a living will.  It was ignored because she was pregnant and it conflicted with this law:    Sec. 166.049. PREGNANT PATIENTS. A person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient (the subchapter being the code regarding living wills)

If hospitals want to be dicks about it, under Texas law it might be impossible to have your living will honored if you are pregnant, no matter how particular you are with the directives.

In fact, in 26 states, there are laws that allow for living wills to be ignored if the patient is pregnant.  26!!!!!!

This is why I think women of child-bearing age should add an addendum to their living wills to the effect of "If I am pregnant within ( x ) trimester/week window ( x further directive x )" - and have bio dad sign it as well.

THAT would make for some serious derpitude


NO. >_< Just NO. This is not a good idea.
Her husband, if she has one? Yes.
But bio dad of the kid involved is just NO.
 
2014-01-31 05:29:18 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Smeggy Smurf: TV's Vinnie: IMO, the hospital should only be paid up until the point where the husband asked to have his wife taken off life support.

Any other charges after that is the hospital's obscene violation of human rights, and if they really want to push it, they'd better bring some KY to the courtroom or the husband's lawyers are going in dry.

You know you're farked when I agree with a left wing farktard

That's MISTER left wing farktard to you, boy.


Ha!  That's your new farky.

www.awsm.com

The first round of whiskey is on me
 
2014-01-31 05:30:02 PM  
For everyone saying a spouse can't be billed: He may have signed a guarantor when she was admitted. Or:
If the spouses live in a community property state, or lived in one at the time the consumer debt occurred, the non-patient spouse may have incurred liability without signing any contract. The reasoning is that if a debt incurred during a marriage was used for the support of a spouse, liability may accrue to the non-signing spouse. Does this mean that the non-patient spouse has liability for the patient's debt in community property states? Maybe. Some creditors will not pursue legal action against the spouse because it is difficult to do so and are unwilling to expend the resources. Other creditors will take the time and expense. Each creditor has different policies, and therefore each case is different. (from bills.com)
 
2014-01-31 05:30:13 PM  

PJ-: Warlordtrooper: armor helix: As dumb as the whole thing is, the hospital may have legal precedent to collect all of the medical bills. People that have been admitted to hospitals against their will or without consent (mental institutions, ambulances to hospital after passing out drunk) have contested hospital bills and it seems like they always lose.

IANAL, but I believe being admitted to the hospital and receiving care, requested or not, places the burden on the patient.

How many of those peoples had DNR orders and were kept alive against their will?

DNR is different than being kept alive.


I thought they had a clause in there about requiring machinery to sustain life, and having you initial that part if you didn't want it? Am I wrong?

IANAL
 
2014-01-31 05:32:56 PM  
Laughing at these shenanigans:

media.economist.com

/on the inside
 
2014-01-31 05:33:13 PM  
Wipe your ass with those bills and send them right back.
 
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