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(Daily Kos)   Sorry about keeping your brain-dead wife on life support against her will because of our medieval religious laws -- here's a massive hospital bill to make you feel better   (dailykos.com) divider line 202
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2014-01-31 02:55:29 PM
that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.
 
2014-01-31 02:57:59 PM
If you live in Texas, it shouldn't come as any surprise
 
2014-01-31 03:00:14 PM

FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.


To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.
 
2014-01-31 03:05:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.


I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.
 
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2014-01-31 03:08:48 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you live in Texas, it shouldn't come as any surprise


I would say that they couldn't possible not realize how bad they will look if they tried to bill the family, but it's Texas.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were proud that they were sticking it to the moocher.
 
2014-01-31 03:12:56 PM

vpb: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you live in Texas, it shouldn't come as any surprise

I would say that they couldn't possible not realize how bad they will look if they tried to bill the family, but it's Texas.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were proud that they were sticking it to the moocher.


I figure they'd bill the insurance and then the insurance would deny the claim.

/"It's that evil Obamcare!!" will show up as well
 
2014-01-31 03:18:43 PM

Serious Black: I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.


i think there's plenty of outrage to go around even before we know the billing situation.
 
2014-01-31 03:31:28 PM

FlashHarry: Serious Black: I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.

i think there's plenty of outrage to go around even before we know the billing situation.


Sure there is. This would just be the outrageous cherry on top of an enormously outraging sundae.
 
2014-01-31 03:35:06 PM
Actually, this headline is unfair to medieval medical practitioners.

Sure, they thought that opening a vein cured evil humors and they tended to just pray a lot, but even monks and nuns would give a dying person an herbal concoction to "sleep" while the prayed over them and they died.
 
2014-01-31 03:50:05 PM

Serious Black: This would just be the outrageous cherry on top of an enormously outraging sundae.


img.fark.net

mmmmm. outragelicious.
 
2014-01-31 03:59:27 PM
If he gets the bills, he should go to Austin with a gaggle of reporters, drop the bills on Rick Perry's desk while cameras are rolling and if he and his God Squad will pay for this.
 
2014-01-31 03:59:32 PM
Chances are the guy, like many Americans, has minimal assets, so if he gets the bills, just go bankrupt.  It's not really that hard to hide a few tens of thousands if he has it.

Fark the hospital if they send bills.
 
2014-01-31 03:59:48 PM

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.


FTFA:  In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Erick Muñoz acknowledged that he has been receiving medical bills at his home - although he's not sure exactly what he will be expected to pay.

reading - it's not that hard.

if I were him, I'd send the bills to 0bama and botox
 
2014-01-31 04:00:39 PM
Five bucks the hospital will try to use the bill as leverage against the coming lawsuit.
 
2014-01-31 04:01:36 PM
Arise, Luke Skywalker Corpse Turducken! Fulfill your destiny.
 
2014-01-31 04:02:24 PM

what_now: Actually, this headline is unfair to medieval medical practitioners.

Sure, they thought that opening a vein cured evil humors and they tended to just pray a lot, but even monks and nuns would give a dying person an herbal concoction to "sleep" while the prayed over them and they died.


Agrees.
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2014-01-31 04:03:54 PM
Old and Busted:  Death Panels

New Hotness:  Life Panels
 
2014-01-31 04:03:58 PM
Her family doesn't owe anything. The dead woman's estate might but no not the family.

You can't pass debt to another person.
 
2014-01-31 04:04:33 PM

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.


I think I'll be slightly perturbed now at the idea that he might even GET a bill.

I may be outraged later at the idea they may brush it off as "well, automated billing" as if there is some tiny elf working in the accounts office that can't be reasoned with.
 
2014-01-31 04:04:46 PM
Thanks Obamacare.
 
2014-01-31 04:06:04 PM
I doubt he has much more money after paying lawyer's fees.
 
2014-01-31 04:06:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.


If my reading comprehension hasn't failed me, it says the media outlets have been told the hospital "would continue normal billing".

So he hasn't gotten the full bill yet.

I'd hope a court, if it gets that far, would not force him to pay the amount the hospital may say is owed after the family said "Let her die"
 
2014-01-31 04:06:24 PM
The Free Market TM in action?
 
2014-01-31 04:07:08 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Five bucks the hospital will try to use the bill as leverage against the coming lawsuit.


That's my take as well. They will write off the massively inflated bill as part of the settlement.
 
2014-01-31 04:10:39 PM
Ah, there's the rub. If people want to believe that a fetus is a child and that a brain dead body is a living soul even without a mind or a working heart, then let them foot the bills.

Yes, universal single payer government medical care--for maggots* and zombies.

Yep. That's the solution. Liberals get universal medical care and child support for unwanted or bastard children and people with no more brain than half a brick has, and conservatives get the nice warm feeling of being righteous and making somebody's life miserable for ever because of one teeny mistake they made somewhere, such as being conceived or taking drugs or being hit by a stretch limousine commandeered by a drunk Hollywood brat and her fair-weather pals.

There's something in this for everybody and the taxpayers pay for all. Not the rich, of course. They'll pay for it out of payroll deductions, not income taxes, just like health insurance, unemployment insurance, and so forth. All paid by the workers, not the owners. Property taxes are for schools. But only because the rich were once the only people sending their children to schools. Or hospitals. Museums, art galleries, parks, libraries, etc.

Because surely abortion is not about government spending. Abortion prevents massive amounts of government spending. It may even prevent wars since you can't fight wars using rich old white men and women as cannon fodder.

*Souls of unborn children. Look it up.
 
2014-01-31 04:12:44 PM
Reminds me of how they charge you for the bullet that executes your loved ones in China.
 
2014-01-31 04:12:45 PM
Like I have said so many times; conservatives are not against a "nanny state", they just want to be the nannies.  They are all about personal freedom as long as you make the choices they want you to make.  You are free to decide to do what they want you to do.  if you choose differently it is a direct assault on their right to choose for you.
 
2014-01-31 04:13:07 PM
LessO2: If he gets the bills, he should go to Austin with a gaggle of reporters, drop the bills on Rick Perry's desk while cameras are rolling and if he and his God Squad will pay for this.

he'd be able to foot the bill if he took Romney up on those bets
 
2014-01-31 04:15:23 PM
I wondered about that.  I guess the hospital went there.
 
2014-01-31 04:15:42 PM
Wait, she did go to the hospital after the initial event. The hospital did provide treatment and life saving measures prior to declaring her brain dead. I think he should pay for that. After they declared her brain dead and he wished to have efforts terminated, then there should be a dispute about that portion of the bill. The hospital shouldn't have the suck up the entire bill because they were following the law. It wasn't like they were doing it to just be douches or for some religious reason. It is a law.
 
2014-01-31 04:17:17 PM
The problem with this whole situation is that some people might change their behavior when reacting to a pregnant woman in a near death situation.  Instead of calling for help, they may just sit quiet until the woman dies in order to avoid a repeat of this situation.  Of course, then they have to deal with the police and any possible charges of failing to obtain aid.  But dealing with a jury might be better than dealing with a hospital staffed by fundies.
 
2014-01-31 04:17:27 PM

FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

Texas.
 
2014-01-31 04:18:03 PM
I'm not outraged yet. The hospital's computers start processing the bills automatically and sending them out. It's not like Smedley in accounting decided personally to write up the bill and send it to the poor widower.

I'll save my outrage until after the hospital decides to pursue him for payment.
 
2014-01-31 04:18:09 PM
Birth 'em all, let God sort 'em out.
 
2014-01-31 04:19:07 PM
Living wills, people.  Living wills.

Defend yourself and your estate against busybodies of the left and right alike, against free entreprising HMOs and government loving social democrats, liberals, socialists, commies, Nazis and statists of the right and left.

The socalled "death panels" are designed to resolve issues raised by just such cases where the will of the decease, their family, their doctors, their HMO, their insurance company and their government do not necessarily find common ground.

Of course, I shouldn't talk. I haven't updated my will in ages. It needs to be done sooner rather than later. But look out for the pitfalls of dying intestate or losing control over your own body and life due to some busybodies of State or Church or simply your own thieving greedy family members. It is so easy to talk yourself into a rationalization of why you deserve it all or why you should override the express wishes of even your loved ones. Padlock the door on that happening.
 
2014-01-31 04:19:10 PM
IMO, the hospital should only be paid up until the point where the husband asked to have his wife taken off life support.

Any other charges after that is the hospital's obscene violation of human rights, and if they really want to push it, they'd better bring some KY to the courtroom or the husband's lawyers are going in dry.
 
2014-01-31 04:19:32 PM
 
2014-01-31 04:19:43 PM
What is the penalty to the hospital for not following the law?
 
2014-01-31 04:20:10 PM

brantgoose: Ah, there's the rub. If people want to believe that a fetus is a child and that a brain dead body is a living soul even without a mind or a working heart, then let them foot the bills.

Yes, universal single payer government medical care--for maggots* and zombies.

Yep. That's the solution. Liberals get universal medical care and child support for unwanted or bastard children and people with no more brain than half a brick has, and conservatives get the nice warm feeling of being righteous and making somebody's life miserable for ever because of one teeny mistake they made somewhere, such as being conceived or taking drugs or being hit by a stretch limousine commandeered by a drunk Hollywood brat and her fair-weather pals.

There's something in this for everybody and the taxpayers pay for all. Not the rich, of course. They'll pay for it out of payroll deductions, not income taxes, just like health insurance, unemployment insurance, and so forth. All paid by the workers, not the owners. Property taxes are for schools. But only because the rich were once the only people sending their children to schools. Or hospitals. Museums, art galleries, parks, libraries, etc.

Because surely abortion is not about government spending. Abortion prevents massive amounts of government spending. It may even prevent wars since you can't fight wars using rich old white men and women as cannon fodder.

*Souls of unborn children. Look it up.


6/10...you went a little far on that one.
 
2014-01-31 04:20:43 PM

palelizard: I doubt he has much more money after paying lawyer's fees.


Oh, I'm sure he isn't paying the scumbags. There's a strain for whatever injustice ails you, and this one probably did the first part in order to sue in the second part.
 
2014-01-31 04:21:49 PM

mrlewish: Her family doesn't owe anything. The dead woman's estate might but no not the family.

You can't pass debt to another person.


Estate executors may be required to settle outstanding debts out of the estate's assets. It is likely the contents of her estate are also marital assets.

You may not be able to pass debt to another person but it is likely he signed her admitting papers - and I'd bet everything I own that at least one of those signed forms asked for confirmation of payee. In a regular billable situation this ensures non-payment will result in endless collection attempts.
 
2014-01-31 04:22:12 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Five bucks the hospital will try to use the bill as leverage against the coming lawsuit.


The husband should sue them for taking her off life support, when there was a good chance she could have recovered. When they start screaming bloody murder, say he's just following the law, and refuse to allow them to discuss the case with the media, while he gives twice daily news conferences...
 
2014-01-31 04:22:34 PM

mrlewish: Her family doesn't owe anything. The dead woman's estate might but no not the family.

You can't pass debt to another person.


spouses owe medical bills
 
2014-01-31 04:23:16 PM

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.


Well, he should still be charged for his wife's care...right up until the point that she became brain-dead.  Everything that happened after that, against his and the rest of their family's wishes, the hospital should eat.
 
2014-01-31 04:23:55 PM

MBrady: Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: that poor woman's family. how appallingly awful.

To be fair, it doesn't say they are receiving the medical bills. It says they might.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a sick, appalling story. But subby's headline is acting like it already happened.

I'll reserve my outrage until we're sure the husband is getting billed even one lousy penny.

FTFA:  In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Erick Muñoz acknowledged that he has been receiving medical bills at his home - although he's not sure exactly what he will be expected to pay.

reading - it's not that hard.

if I were him, I'd send the bills to 0bama and botox


I can't wait to hear the reason why Obama should be paying Erick Munoz' hospital bills.  Please.  Go on.
 
2014-01-31 04:25:35 PM
Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?
 
2014-01-31 04:28:14 PM
texans gonna texan
 
2014-01-31 04:28:41 PM
I would be shocked if they delivered a bill, at least past the point the hospital started meddling. But stranger things have happened.
 
2014-01-31 04:30:28 PM

brantgoose: Living wills, people. Living wills.

Apparently the dead woman had one, the state doesn't care.

genner: Did the child live? Did he ever have a chance of coming out of this alive?



For a given definition of "alive" I suppose, but not much of one for any kind of good life.
 
2014-01-31 04:31:50 PM

brantgoose: Living wills, people.  Living wills.


iirc this lady did have a DNR but the small government conservatives in texas used the power of that small government to trump her.
 
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