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(Talking Points Memo)   Soon-to-be -fired Campaign Finance Chief for GA Rep. Jack Kingston bid for Senate has some advice for those upset at poor planning and response to Georgia's recent ice storm: Put down your "cosmotinis" and "stop whining", you girly men   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 57
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2014-01-31 04:03:34 PM
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for 'em.
 
2014-01-31 04:54:53 PM
And hire some illegals down to the Home Depot to dig you out.
 
2014-01-31 04:54:54 PM
I'm sure the woman who gave birth on the Interstate is happy to hear this excellent piece of outreach.
 
2014-01-31 04:58:22 PM
Republicans don't fire people who make offensive statements.  The fact that people are offended is proof positive that they are speaking truth to power and taking on the liberal establishment to advance true conservative principles.
 
2014-01-31 04:58:28 PM
I'm not sure he isn't an illegal alien based on his limited knowledge of English
 
2014-01-31 05:00:38 PM

theorellior: I'm sure the woman who gave birth on the Interstate is happy to hear this excellent piece of outreach.


Considering the same day they shut down because they got 2 inches of snow and god forbid windchill's in the single digits, I was outside shoveling snow in windchill of -25 Degrees.  There is no reason why they should have had to give birth on the interstate....
 
2014-01-31 05:01:49 PM
Gizmodo called him an asshole two days ago.

// sadly, not by name
// an informative read
 
2014-01-31 05:03:00 PM
The message should be, "Snowplows, salt, and all of the stuff that northern states maintain cost a *lot* of money.  We're talking *huge* amounts of money.  Should we spend that, so that, once every 25 years, we can recover from a snowstorm as quickly as Chicago does?  Is it worth it?"

And I don't mean that to be a loaded question.  It should be up to the voters to decide.  Chances are good that they'll make poor choices.  Like, right after a storm, push to spend a jillion dollars on readiness, then five years later, vote to shut it all down.  So the money is all a waste, and when the next storm comes, it's another mess.

But that's democracy.  It's that, or you "volunteer" to be a member of the Dear Leader National Snow Readiness Squad, and you spend your 100 degree summers doing snow shovel drills.

Which is kind of amusing to imagine Georgia doing.
 
2014-01-31 05:03:11 PM
It's really funny how the Republicans are entrenching themselves in defense of the governor, who was pretty much an idiot about coordinating the response to the storm. A simple mea culpa and all this would have blown over, but now we are treated to the spectacle of Republicans making fun of their own constituents for being justifiably annoyed at the lack of services.
 
2014-01-31 05:04:14 PM
So I assume that the people that died just succumbed to Cosmotini poisoning?
 
2014-01-31 05:05:28 PM

Warlordtrooper: Considering the same day they shut down because they got 2 inches of snow and god forbid windchill's in the single digits, I was outside shoveling snow in windchill of -25 Degrees. There is no reason why they should have had to give birth on the interstate....


I'm gonna quote a comment I saw on the article itself:

MollyNYC: Making fun of Southerners because they aren't set up to deal with a type of weather that occurs there maybe a dozen times in a century is an a-hole move, even if you're from someplace where it snows every winter. But for a Southerner to do that puts him in the direct line of succession for Lord God King in the Land of All A-holes.

So by that metric, you're definitely in asshole territory here.
 
2014-01-31 05:06:41 PM
Keep farking that chicken OTPers, demographics are shifting in this state whether you like it or not. Give it 10 years, Georgia won't be a redstate backwater anymore.
 
2014-01-31 05:08:03 PM
We've got to cover Nathan Deal's ass at any cost!
 
2014-01-31 05:09:32 PM

Warlordtrooper: There is no reason why they should have had to give birth on the interstate....


I doubt she wanted to give birth on the interstate.

But when it's blocked up solid and you have people that go 5 miles in 10 hours, how exactly do you expect someone to make it to a hospital in time? Should she have just crossed her legs or something to keep the baby from coming out?
 
2014-01-31 05:11:15 PM

kidgenius: Warlordtrooper: There is no reason why they should have had to give birth on the interstate....

I doubt she wanted to give birth on the interstate.

But when it's blocked up solid and you have people that go 5 miles in 10 hours, how exactly do you expect someone to make it to a hospital in time? Should she have just crossed her legs or something to keep the baby from coming out?


His point isn't that the woman did something wrong, it's that two inches of snow shouldn't have caused such a blockage.
 
2014-01-31 05:13:48 PM

kidgenius: But when it's blocked up solid and you have people that go 5 miles in 10 hours, how exactly do you expect someone to make it to a hospital in time? Should she have just crossed her legs or something to keep the baby from coming out?


She should have used the aspirin method!

qorkfiend: His point isn't that the woman did something wrong, it's that two inches of snow shouldn't have caused such a blockage.


And it wouldn't have if the governor had actually read his weather reports.
 
2014-01-31 05:18:47 PM
A man that complains that other men aren't acting like "real men" are typically insecure in their own manliness.
 
2014-01-31 05:19:43 PM

theorellior: qorkfiend: His point isn't that the woman did something wrong, it's that two inches of snow shouldn't have caused such a blockage.

And it wouldn't have if the governor had actually read his weather reports.


Right. I think that's the core issue; no one realistically expects Georgia to be as prepared as northern states to deal with snow removal. However, people do expect the state to make some preparations (snow chains, sand, call in the drivers before snow starts, etc.) and to pay attention to weather reports, and it seems like the state did neither.
 
2014-01-31 05:20:12 PM
Putting the "government can't do anything right!" party in power has consequences.
 
2014-01-31 05:24:30 PM

Mrtraveler01: We've got to cover Nathan Deal's ass at any cost!


To be fair, there probably wasn't any money in it for Nathan(most corrupt member of congress until he resigned), so he wasn't overly concerned.
 
2014-01-31 05:34:57 PM
Those people needed to pull themselves out of those snowdrifts with their motherfarking bootstraps.
 
2014-01-31 05:37:45 PM

Kibbler: The message should be, "Snowplows, salt, and all of the stuff that northern states maintain cost a *lot* of money.  We're talking *huge* amounts of money.  Should we spend that, so that, once every 25 years, we can recover from a snowstorm as quickly as Chicago does?  Is it worth it?"

And I don't mean that to be a loaded question.  It should be up to the voters to decide.  Chances are good that they'll make poor choices.  Like, right after a storm, push to spend a jillion dollars on readiness, then five years later, vote to shut it all down.  So the money is all a waste, and when the next storm comes, it's another mess.

But that's democracy.  It's that, or you "volunteer" to be a member of the Dear Leader National Snow Readiness Squad, and you spend your 100 degree summers doing snow shovel drills.

Which is kind of amusing to imagine Georgia doing.


Maybe if you lived in Georgia, you would know that these kinds of snow and/or ice events happen every two to three years. Not once in a century.
 
2014-01-31 05:38:09 PM

Car_Ramrod: A man that complains that other men aren't acting like "real men" are typically insecure in their own manliness.


See: the "men's rights movement"
 
2014-01-31 05:39:36 PM

kidgenius: Warlordtrooper: There is no reason why they should have had to give birth on the interstate....

I doubt she wanted to give birth on the interstate.

But when it's blocked up solid and you have people that go 5 miles in 10 hours, how exactly do you expect someone to make it to a hospital in time? Should she have just crossed her legs or something to keep the baby from coming out?


'Blocked up solid'. Exactly. Far and away, the worst problem in driving during or immediately after a snow event is *NOT* the snow, it's drivers without the necessary skills.
 
2014-01-31 05:42:58 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Car_Ramrod: A man that complains that other men aren't acting like "real men" are typically insecure in their own manliness.

See: the "men's rights movement"


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2014-01-31 05:49:37 PM

Bane of Broone: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Car_Ramrod: A man that complains that other men aren't acting like "real men" are typically insecure in their own manliness.

See: the "men's rights movement"

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I put on a fedora for that biatch. biatches love fedoras.
 
2014-01-31 05:52:28 PM

Kibbler: But that's democracy.  It's that, or you "volunteer" to be a member of the Dear Leader National Snow Readiness Squad, and you spend your 100 degree summers doing snow shovel drills.


Cute... 100 degree summers doesn't mean that you don't get snow. We regularly have about 105 for a good month or two in the summers here, and then get 6 or 7 feet of snow in the winter.
 
2014-01-31 05:53:50 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for 'em.


Awesome opening post. Still laughing my ass off.
 
2014-01-31 06:07:56 PM
Put down your "cosmotinis" and "stop whining", you girly men

Because we'er going to- Pump *clap* You Up!
 
2014-01-31 06:18:39 PM
Speaking as a Northerner, I was unaware that we measured snowfall in meters.
 
2014-01-31 06:21:29 PM

qorkfiend: theorellior: qorkfiend: His point isn't that the woman did something wrong, it's that two inches of snow shouldn't have caused such a blockage.

And it wouldn't have if the governor had actually read his weather reports.

Right. I think that's the core issue; no one realistically expects Georgia to be as prepared as northern states to deal with snow removal. However, people do expect the state to make some preparations (snow chains, sand, call in the drivers before snow starts, etc.) and to pay attention to weather reports, and it seems like the state did neither.


I think they expect the end result to be 'not the traffic jam from hell', tbh. They don't care how the government gets there, just that it does.
 
2014-01-31 06:28:31 PM
I thought events in Atlanta were an excellent freeze frame of the insanity of the USA today.
If you took a guy off the street 100 years ago and told him you were going to lock him up alone in a glass and steel box for two solid weeks every year, that he'd have to pay a big chunk of his income for the box and every 10 years his country would have to go to war for that box, he'd think you were crazy.
 
2014-01-31 06:37:58 PM

theorellior: Warlordtrooper: Considering the same day they shut down because they got 2 inches of snow and god forbid windchill's in the single digits, I was outside shoveling snow in windchill of -25 Degrees. There is no reason why they should have had to give birth on the interstate....

I'm gonna quote a comment I saw on the article itself:

MollyNYC: Making fun of Southerners because they aren't set up to deal with a type of weather that occurs there maybe a dozen times in a century is an a-hole move, even if you're from someplace where it snows every winter. But for a Southerner to do that puts him in the direct line of succession for Lord God King in the Land of All A-holes.

So by that metric, you're definitely in asshole territory here.


Since it was the southerners that tried to block relief aid for hurricane sandy victims in the first place, that makes them the original assholes.
 
2014-01-31 06:54:15 PM
Be careful. The last time someone told me to put down my cosmotini, he swiped it when my back was turned.
 
2014-01-31 07:05:19 PM

qorkfiend: theorellior: qorkfiend: His point isn't that the woman did something wrong, it's that two inches of snow shouldn't have caused such a blockage.

And it wouldn't have if the governor had actually read his weather reports.

Right. I think that's the core issue; no one realistically expects Georgia to be as prepared as northern states to deal with snow removal. However, people do expect the state to make some preparations (snow chains, sand, call in the drivers before snow starts, etc.) and to pay attention to weather reports, and it seems like the state did neither.


The weather report thing - definitely. But as for the other stuff, imagine you're an elected official in a region that hasn't received measurable snowfall in the lifetimes of, say, half of the voters. Now, you explain to them why the state is spending millions of dollars over the course of several years to acquire, maintain, and store snow removal equipment which many people believe (foolishly, perhaps, but these are voters we're talking about) will never be needed. Good luck with that.
 
2014-01-31 07:29:18 PM
I have never heard of a "Cosmotini".

The Recipe: Cosmotini:
1 part Citrus Vodka
1 part Cointreau
1 part Cranberry Juice
1 splash Orange Juice

Pour over ice in shaker, shake and pour in tall glass or strain into chilled martini glass. Garnish with citrus fruits, oranges, limes, lemons.


Vodka, cranberry juice and orange flavored liqueur.
What I'm wondering is just how come this guy knows what they are? Maybe he used to be a bartender.
 
2014-01-31 07:30:42 PM
Sorry, but it's the fault of the morons who decided to drive.
 
2014-01-31 08:00:36 PM
BMulligan:
The weather report thing - definitely. But as for the other stuff, imagine you're an elected official in a region that hasn't received measurable snowfall in the lifetimes of, say, half of the voters. Now, you explain to them why the state is spending millions of dollars over the course of several years to acquire, maintain, and store snow removal equipment which many people believe (foolishly, perhaps, but these are voters we're talking about) will never be needed. Good luck with that.

The last big storm was 2011, when Georgia had the exact same governor as today and Atlanta had the exact same mayor as today. And after the 2011 storm, they spent tons of money on new equipment and on hiring consultants to come up with emergency plans for winter storms. Everything was there. The money was spent. But Deal and Reed were too busy having lunch at the Ritz with their business backers. Add to that the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, an entire agency whose whole existence is to deal with issues like this, didn't even open up until late in the after noon because the guy the governor put in charge didn't think there was an issue.

This wasn't a black swan event. It was a once every couple of years type of event. Deal and Reed simply weren't paying attention. They're both corporate whores who see the actual duties of their respective offices as burdens that get in the way of their backroom dealing. Most of the time they can get away with it. On Tuesday as all the plans and 90% of the resources went untouched and they sipped mimosas at a five star hotel, all hell broke loose and it didn't have to be that way. Things would have been bad but not insane like they ended up being. This wasn't a weather event, it was a leadership failure of epic scale.

The only justice out of all of this is that it almost certainly has destroyed Atlanta's chances of landing another Super Bowl. Handing out more than half a billion in public money to the owner of the Falcons to build a new stadium that would attract the Super Bowl was suppose to be one of mayor Reed's crowning achievements. Now the money will be spent but there almost certainly will be no Super Bowl. The NFL likes to reward owners for suckering cities into hosing them down with cash but it also has an image to upkeep. Here we are fourteen years after Atlanta flubbed their last Super Bowl due to winter weather and the city has shown it still can't deal with it. The NFL can't have their worldwide event destroyed because the city frequently shuts down in the winter due to inept governance.
 
2014-01-31 08:10:59 PM
Two inches of snow over 3/4" of solid ice in the Appalachian foothills is a bit of a trial. That said, I'm more offended that a congressman's office boy looks like Dale Gribble. He should put down the Blackberry and go dig some ditches.
 
2014-01-31 08:21:48 PM

EngineerAU: BMulligan:
The weather report thing - definitely. But as for the other stuff, imagine you're an elected official in a region that hasn't received measurable snowfall in the lifetimes of, say, half of the voters. Now, you explain to them why the state is spending millions of dollars over the course of several years to acquire, maintain, and store snow removal equipment which many people believe (foolishly, perhaps, but these are voters we're talking about) will never be needed. Good luck with that.

The last big storm was 2011, when Georgia had the exact same governor as today and Atlanta had the exact same mayor as today. And after the 2011 storm, they spent tons of money on new equipment and on hiring consultants to come up with emergency plans for winter storms. Everything was there. The money was spent. But Deal and Reed were too busy having lunch at the Ritz with their business backers. Add to that the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, an entire agency whose whole existence is to deal with issues like this, didn't even open up until late in the after noon because the guy the governor put in charge didn't think there was an issue.

This wasn't a black swan event. It was a once every couple of years type of event. Deal and Reed simply weren't paying attention. They're both corporate whores who see the actual duties of their respective offices as burdens that get in the way of their backroom dealing. Most of the time they can get away with it. On Tuesday as all the plans and 90% of the resources went untouched and they sipped mimosas at a five star hotel, all hell broke loose and it didn't have to be that way. Things would have been bad but not insane like they ended up being. This wasn't a weather event, it was a leadership failure of epic scale.

The only justice out of all of this is that it almost certainly has destroyed Atlanta's chances of landing another Super Bowl. Handing out more than half a billion in public money to the owner of the Falcons to build ...


My misunderstanding, then. Carry on.
 
2014-01-31 08:56:55 PM

Cheeseface: Keep farking that chicken OTPers, demographics are shifting in this state whether you like it or not. Give it 10 years, Georgia won't be a redstate backwater anymore.


It'll take at least 10 years for traditionally Democratic constituencies to reach >51% of the state.  It'll take another generation or so before they're actually voting in large enough numbers to oust the GOP.
 
2014-01-31 09:26:38 PM
Yes, two inches of snow falling in midday on ice cold pavement will most definitely paralyze any city that doesn't prepare for the event. It happened to Raleigh in 2005, except instead of 2" of snow, we got less than half an inch. After that, the snow crews go out and pretreat all the roads before any snow event, even when the forecast is for very light snow or even flurries. Pretreating roads keeps the snow from freezing as ice on the pavement for a few hours, which gives everyone time to get off the roads so serious scraping and salting can take place. Raleigh got about 2" of snow from this storm too, but the roads were pretreated and didn't freeze up until late in the evening. The major roads were mostly clear the very next day as a result of the pretreating too, despite temperatures below 25 degrees all day.

The Georgia politicians screwed up and are now trying to put the blame on anyone but themselves for this Atlanta debacle.
 
2014-01-31 09:43:06 PM

Bane of Broone: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Car_Ramrod: A man that complains that other men aren't acting like "real men" are typically insecure in their own manliness.

See: the "men's rights movement"


So the men's rights guys in fedoras are a thing? I had no idea.
 
2014-01-31 09:49:44 PM

varmitydog: I have never heard of a "Cosmotini".

The Recipe: Cosmotini:
1 part Citrus Vodka
1 part Cointreau
1 part Cranberry Juice
1 splash Orange Juice

Pour over ice in shaker, shake and pour in tall glass or strain into chilled martini glass. Garnish with citrus fruits, oranges, limes, lemons.

Vodka, cranberry juice and orange flavored liqueur.
What I'm wondering is just how come this guy knows what they are? Maybe he used to be a bartender.


He was introduced to it by his secret special male friend.
 
2014-01-31 10:37:05 PM
" In the north the snow is measured in meters..."
Hey! Meters are socialist European measurements! No true American uses meters!
 
2014-01-31 10:41:06 PM
LOL, I'm a bleeding heart liberal and having lived in the midwest and northeast most of my life, I kinda like the guy.  Granted, the handling of the storm down there was horrible.  But, here in northern MA, we don't send out plows for 2 inches until the storms over.  This was the fault of crappy drivers.
 
2014-01-31 10:46:02 PM
Soon to be fired guy had better not be blocking the exit doors a day before the next storm hits Atlanta because his punchable face may have a hard time mouthing manly advice to people who don't have time.

The southern strategy of adopting Footdragging as a strategy for all major social issues makes for some great television.
 
2014-01-31 11:03:21 PM
yes, god forbid someone express the blindingly obvious----that the reason for the delays was because everyone suddenly decided that they "had to be" on the highways, immediately.
 
2014-01-31 11:52:30 PM

Kibbler: The message should be, "Snowplows, salt, and all of the stuff that northern states maintain cost a *lot* of money.  We're talking *huge* amounts of money.  Should we spend that, so that, once every 25 years, we can recover from a snowstorm as quickly as Chicago does?  Is it worth it?"

And I don't mean that to be a loaded question.  It should be up to the voters to decide.  Chances are good that they'll make poor choices.  Like, right after a storm, push to spend a jillion dollars on readiness, then five years later, vote to shut it all down.  So the money is all a waste, and when the next storm comes, it's another mess.

But that's democracy.  It's that, or you "volunteer" to be a member of the Dear Leader National Snow Readiness Squad, and you spend your 100 degree summers doing snow shovel drills.

Which is kind of amusing to imagine Georgia doing.


Quite honestly, this. It would be like our having this kind of ice-storm prep here in So Cal. (Except we do have some prep up in the mountains that are close at hand)

And look, the Weather Service was saying they were expecting up to 2" of snow, sleet and freezing rain TWO DAYS before the storm hit. Why is it all the Governor's and Mayor of Atlanta's fault that people didn't listen to the weather report? Why is it their fault people just had to go driving over black ice at 65 mph and then not know what to do when the freeways shut down? Are people out there really so dense that if the roads closed they can't figure any other way to get home?

So Atlanta will put a referendum on the ballot for November to raise taxes (GASP!) and hire extra road crews and buy expensive plows (GASP GASP!!) just in case it snows again, which it won't for a few years; and then people will get tired of paying the extra money, if the referendum passes, which more than likely it won't. OR they can draw up contingency plans for what they could have done better with the equipment they have just in case it might happen again, which is a better use of the time and money and won't cost any extra $$$.
 
2014-02-01 12:22:47 AM

Gyrfalcon: Kibbler: The message should be, "Snowplows, salt, and all of the stuff that northern states maintain cost a *lot* of money.  We're talking *huge* amounts of money.  Should we spend that, so that, once every 25 years, we can recover from a snowstorm as quickly as Chicago does?  Is it worth it?"

And I don't mean that to be a loaded question.  It should be up to the voters to decide.  Chances are good that they'll make poor choices.  Like, right after a storm, push to spend a jillion dollars on readiness, then five years later, vote to shut it all down.  So the money is all a waste, and when the next storm comes, it's another mess.

But that's democracy.  It's that, or you "volunteer" to be a member of the Dear Leader National Snow Readiness Squad, and you spend your 100 degree summers doing snow shovel drills.

Which is kind of amusing to imagine Georgia doing.

Quite honestly, this. It would be like our having this kind of ice-storm prep here in So Cal. (Except we do have some prep up in the mountains that are close at hand)

And look, the Weather Service was saying they were expecting up to 2" of snow, sleet and freezing rain TWO DAYS before the storm hit. Why is it all the Governor's and Mayor of Atlanta's fault that people didn't listen to the weather report? Why is it their fault people just had to go driving over black ice at 65 mph and then not know what to do when the freeways shut down? Are people out there really so dense that if the roads closed they can't figure any other way to get home?

So Atlanta will put a referendum on the ballot for November to raise taxes (GASP!) and hire extra road crews and buy expensive plows (GASP GASP!!) just in case it snows again, which it won't for a few years; and then people will get tired of paying the extra money, if the referendum passes, which more than likely it won't. OR they can draw up contingency plans for what they could have done better with the equipment they have just in case it might happen again, which is ...


But, the thing is, they don't need to.  They've prepared for this before so they already have the plows.  The probably have a few silo's worth of salt.  If they don't, they're dumb.  It doesn't go bad and it does snow occasionally.
 
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