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(Talking Points Memo)   Thanks to the refusal of red states to accept money for Medicaid expansion, a new study estimates the the GOP's War on Obamacare will cost about 17,000 American lives, or double the number of the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan combined   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 180
    More: Sad, American Living, GOP, Iraq, Medicaid expansion, obamacare, Medicaid, red states, Health Affairs  
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2014-01-31 01:05:30 PM
So they're all poor brown people who wouldn't bother to vote at all, much less vote Republican.

Sounds like a win-win for the GOP.
 
2014-01-31 01:22:24 PM
Domestic Terrorism.
 
2014-01-31 01:29:54 PM
There is no such thing as a moral republican.
 
2014-01-31 01:41:08 PM

Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.


A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect a Government hand-out.
 
2014-01-31 01:47:13 PM

mrshowrules: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect acknowledge a Government hand-out.


FTFY
 
2014-01-31 01:52:45 PM
so instead of just enacting policies to keep the poors in their place, the GOP has graduated to simply killing them. well, that's one way to do it, i guess.
 
2014-01-31 02:23:08 PM

mrshowrules: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect a Government hand-out.


So, completely fictional?
 
2014-01-31 02:27:47 PM
Remember when everyone blasted Rep. Alan Grayson for having the  audacity to say something as offensive as "The Republican's healthcare plan is for to get sick and die quickly"?


Seems to me he may be owed an apology or two
 
2014-01-31 02:29:35 PM

ManateeGag: mrshowrules: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect a Government hand-out.

So, completely fictional?


Well...

25.media.tumblr.com
Craig T. Nelson: "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anybody help me out? No!"
 
2014-01-31 02:34:05 PM
On the upside, it's probably going to have a lot more elderly folk, while wars tend to take people in the prime of their youth.

However, the socio-economic effects of this political conflict are starting to look more and more closely comparable to a full-fledged civil war -- though contrariwise, the Civil War cost the US 2% of its population, which leaves us still looking at the far low end of the range.
 
2014-01-31 03:02:14 PM

Magorn: ManateeGag: mrshowrules: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect a Government hand-out.

So, completely fictional?

Well...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 400x320]
Craig T. Nelson: "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anybody help me out? No!"


That's where I was going.
 
2014-01-31 03:13:02 PM
Eat your heart out, hypocritical pro-lifers.
 
2014-01-31 04:12:34 PM
Electing republicans is the equivalent of hiring people in your company who want it to fail and who work specifically to make it fail. If that is the road you go down as a state you shouldn't expect to have a government that ever helps anyone.
 
2014-01-31 04:14:34 PM
This retaliating against citizens for political gamesmanship.  Not unlike Christie, right.

(this article from New York Times just submitted to Fark

The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.
In a letter released by his lawyer, the official, David Wildstein, a high school friend of Mr. Christie's who was appointed with the governor's blessing at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the bridge, described the order to close the lanes as "the Christie administration's order" and said "evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference" three weeks ago.
 
2014-01-31 04:26:42 PM
Doesn't count when you can't salute the casket and thank them for their valor.

No political points to score, so no fanfare.
 
2014-01-31 05:09:37 PM
Name them.
 
2014-01-31 05:11:18 PM
17,000 dead adults and children are worth saving the lives of millions of babies who would have been aborted otherwise.

/I think I'm going to be sick
 
2014-01-31 05:11:21 PM

wildcardjack: Name them.


Name the people that aren't dead yet?
 
2014-01-31 05:12:37 PM

Magorn: ManateeGag: mrshowrules: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect a Government hand-out.

So, completely fictional?

Well...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 400x320]
Craig T. Nelson: "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anybody help me out? No!"


I never get tired of that.  It's the Perfect Storm of rightwing hypocrisy.  It's so good, it's almost difficult to believe it wasn't trolling.
 
2014-01-31 05:14:10 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-31 05:15:18 PM
Wow... the rare Time Bandits reference. Nice.
 
2014-01-31 05:16:04 PM
17,000 American lives, or double the number of the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan combined

We've had 2 wars in Iraq and 1 in Afhghanistan, so that's 3; double that is 6.

Howe the hell does 17,000 equal 6?
 
2014-01-31 05:16:24 PM

wildcardjack: Name them.


Bulk VanderHuge, for one.
 
2014-01-31 05:16:35 PM
I guess the GOP was right that the ACA would be a disaster for the country, they just didn't specify that the disaster wouldn't be because of the ACA itself, but from the relentless efforts of the GOP to sabotage it because it was passed by Democrats.
 
2014-01-31 05:16:47 PM
In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.
 
2014-01-31 05:17:27 PM
The party of LIFE!
 
2014-01-31 05:18:28 PM

Magorn: ManateeGag: mrshowrules: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

A morally consistent republican is someone, even when poor and on food stamps, that doesn't expect a Government hand-out.

So, completely fictional?

Well...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 400x320]
Craig T. Nelson: "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anybody help me out? No!"


Seriously that statement is totally the Republican party.
 
2014-01-31 05:19:37 PM

SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.


So you're saying that the ACA didn't go far enough and should have regulated the states more?
 
2014-01-31 05:20:17 PM
i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-01-31 05:20:35 PM

ArcadianRefugee: 17,000 American lives, or double the number of the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan combined

We've had 2 wars in Iraq and 1 in Afhghanistan, so that's 3; double that is 6.

Howe the hell does 17,000 equal 6?


Extremely large values of 6.
 
2014-01-31 05:21:00 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-31 05:23:06 PM

birchman: SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.

So you're saying that the ACA didn't go far enough and should have regulated the states more?


The Supreme Court ruling gave states the opportunity to opt out of the Medicaid expansion.
 
2014-01-31 05:23:27 PM
And what's stopping them from going to the emergency room like they did before ACA? How exactly is this any different than it was before the ACA?
 
2014-01-31 05:23:38 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 292x219]


Sounds about right, however Rep. Grayson neglected to mention the preferred method of dying quickly, somewhere the wealthy don't have to see it or hear it.
 
2014-01-31 05:24:08 PM

Cletus C.: birchman: SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.

So you're saying that the ACA didn't go far enough and should have regulated the states more?

The Supreme Court ruling gave states the opportunity to opt out of the Medicaid expansion.


So how is that a failure of the administration? Should he have bribed them or something?
 
2014-01-31 05:26:26 PM
Republicans: "Silly subby, negroes aren't people!"
 
2014-01-31 05:27:17 PM
Lives will be lost, but it's the poors so whatever.  What about lost productivity?

Medicaid expansion in these states (that opted out)  would have resulted in 422,553 more diabetics receiving medication for their illness, 195,492 more mammograms among women age 50-64 years and 443,677 more pap smears among women age 21-64

The real concern is those lost pap smears and mammograms.  Dead women contribute jack shiat to the economy (unless they donate their corpses to a for-profit body bank).

/and sick people are less productive than healthy people, but sanity lost that debate long ago ("You have a communicable disease that could get the whole office sick?  Tough shiat, get to work!")
 
2014-01-31 05:27:48 PM

SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.


A) Not 34 states, it's 23! (and many are rethinking their positions)
B) It was a SCOTUS decision that let them refuse it wasn't part of the law.
 
2014-01-31 05:27:55 PM

SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.


I know, right? Just like gun manufacturers are totally liable for any and all gun-related homicides, since they failed to plan ahead and figure out how to prevent murderers from getting their hands on guns!

/Oh, wait, that's dumb. Really, really, really dumb.
 
2014-01-31 05:28:05 PM

FlashHarry: so instead of just enacting policies to keep the poors in their place, the GOP has graduated to simply killing them. well, that's one way to do it, i guess.


Wouldn't that then make them the death panelists?

MAYBE THAT WAS THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG! THEY WERE HIDING IT IN PLAIN SIGHT PEOPLE!!!!
 
2014-01-31 05:30:29 PM
Serious question: what are the states that opted in going to do when the government pulls the money away in a few years as planned?
 
2014-01-31 05:31:24 PM

Corvus: SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.

A) Not 34 states, it's 23! (and many are rethinking their positions)
B) It was a SCOTUS decision that let them refuse it wasn't part of the law.


Only these guys can take the red state's refusal to take free money out of pure spite, and make it Obama's fault.
 
2014-01-31 05:32:13 PM
The more you kill, the more dumb scared people vote GOP.
 
2014-01-31 05:32:16 PM

dinomyar: And what's stopping them from going to the emergency room like they did before ACA? How exactly is this any different than it was before the ACA?


GOOD FARKING LORD - Pre-ACA, you could not just walk into the emergency room and say "I want a pap smear cause I haven't had one in a while" and they would automatically do it for you.  Nor could you go in and say "I want the standard drugs to treat my form of cancer" and they'd just give them to you.

/Even if they did, it was not free (I know you didn't say this, but many people think this).  You got a big-ass bill.
//Yes, some ERs would perform such tests and even provide drugs, finding money lying around from research grants, etc., but the coverage was haphazard, to say the least.
///slashies - three
 
2014-01-31 05:32:23 PM
I'd love to see a mental gymnastics event added to the debates, but conservatives would win every time.  Case in point:

SauronWasFramed: In other words, since 34 states refused, the administration failed to plan ahead and compensate to help those they knew would be in need.

 
2014-01-31 05:32:53 PM
We were warned of Death Panels. Turns out they are made up mostly of Republican governors.
 
2014-01-31 05:32:57 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Serious question: what are the states that opted in going to do when the government pulls the money away in a few years as planned?


Um, what? Can you cite anything that says this? First I've heard of it.
 
2014-01-31 05:33:16 PM
i predict that over 2 million people will die this year in the usa.  maybe 2.5 million.
 
2014-01-31 05:33:49 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Serious question: what are the states that opted in going to do when the government pulls the money away in a few years as planned?


Lying or wrong, which is it?

www.cbpp.org

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3801
 
2014-01-31 05:35:46 PM
So the GOP really is trying to kill Grandma.
 
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