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(Huffington Post)   'Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the plumpest of them all?' 'Famed is thy girth, Majesty. But hold, a chunky maid I see. Rags cannot hide her heaving size. Alas, she is more fat than thee.'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 91
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2014-01-31 01:50:44 PM  
11 votes:
Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?
2014-01-31 01:21:42 PM  
11 votes:
Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.
2014-01-31 02:00:15 PM  
6 votes:
i.huffpost.com


This lie is actually detrimental to society.
2014-01-31 02:00:47 PM  
5 votes:
This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.
2014-01-31 01:55:05 PM  
5 votes:
static3.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-01-31 01:51:43 PM  
5 votes:
Put the fork down, Princess.  If you don't want men to be reviled by your being fat, don't be fat.  No amount of political correctness is going to change the fact that most people prefer someone who is fit.  Sorry.

And I don't want to hear the medical condition/glandular problem bullshiat.  60% of the US is obese.  Maybe 1% of those are because of medical conditions.  They have an excuse, you don't snowflake.
2014-01-31 01:47:13 PM  
5 votes:

RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.


I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^
2014-01-31 03:38:44 PM  
4 votes:
"I made this petition because I'm a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positive plus-size character in the media."

If you're already overweight as a teenager, even if it's just a little "chubby", unless you do something to change that, by the time you hit your 40s you're going to be obese, possibly even morbidly obese. I'm not saying we should make fun or ridicule overweight people, but as a society we're not doing anyone any favors by accepting it as normal and OK.

I was at my desired weight my whole life, then I retired from the military and due to poor eating habits and laziness I packed on 50 lbs in the 10 years since. I had a beachball sized tub of fat where my stomach used to be. Now I've lost about half of that and I plan to lose the rest, but there was nothing sexy or beautiful about it and society shouldn't accept me or anyone else who abuses their health like that.

The only reason overweight people want everyone else to accept them for who they are is because it's a hell of a lot easier than changing their lifestyle and bettering themselves.
2014-01-31 01:51:55 PM  
4 votes:
If you have a poor self-image and are depressed because of your weight, diet and exercise. Your brain will thank you for it by being more positive about your self image. Don't be a facist by making other people tell you that you're beautiful; either change yourself or accept yourself for who you are.
2014-01-31 01:51:42 PM  
4 votes:
seriously - eat healthy, go to the gym - it is not hard

I used to stick up for fat people (because I was one) but since I figured out the only reason I was fat was because it was all my fault I have no empathy.

We will point at a smoker and tell them how much they are doing to their health - yet tell a fat person eating at Olive Garden that they should pass on the bread sticks and do some crunches and people get all shiatty.
2014-01-31 03:53:26 PM  
3 votes:
After reading the many Fark responses I'm impressed that so many actually agree with each other.

I'm from an older generation. Cell phones are still a bit of a mystery to me. I grew up riding my bike everywhere -- a single speed, fat tire equipped basic bike with a generator powered headlamp that actually wasn't worth the effort it took to make it work. When my family went shopping, we parked the car and walked from store to store. Everyone did. I still recall the sidewalks in town being crowded after 6 pm, something which no longer happens.

I recall the food in school being basic, plentiful, tasty and healthy. The majority of it made right on the grounds by 'Cafeteria Ladies' who were excellent cooks. There were no snack or soda machines. Physical Education was mandatory.

The majority of us kids were not allowed to sit glued to the TV all day. Our folks kicked us out of the house to go and play -- or, if we whined about it, then we could help clean the house. Boys mowed the lawns with motorized push mowers. (A chore I still despise to this day, loathing the scent of fresh cut grass.)

A large amount of us rode bikes to school. The bike racks were always packed. Many of us walked several blocks to centralized bus stops morning and evening, with our folks only showing up to get us if it was rainy or freezing. Some of us chained bikes to telephone poles at the stop.

There were two hamburger joints in town. Only one was a sit in. Their menus were limited. There were several full service restaurants and until some time in the 60's, no pizza places or sub shops.

For fun we went to the beach. We swam, beach combed, played and wore ourselves out all day. It was considered healthy. Elementary schools had playgrounds which kids played on even when school was closed. Kids played baseball, football, volleyball, made up games that involved a lot of running, climbed trees, built forts, fished, hiked and picnicked. The majority of their meals were home made.

The consumption of sweets was restricted by parents. Most meals consisted of at least two different vegetables. Parents insisted the kids eat their veggies. Snacks tended to be fruits. Baked goods were usually home made also.

Kids had chores to do in and around the home. Boys worked in the yard. Girls helped Mom sweep, vacuum, hang out the wash and dust. Many parents taught their kids to cook.

Do you see a theme running through this rambling of my memories?

We were much more physically active and our choices of crappy foods limited.

We had fat kids. Nowhere as many as today. Most had a 'condition', some were fat because their folks did things like allow them to eat a lot of sweet stuff. (Kool-Aid the marvelous drink of the times and sooo tasty, was essentially flavored sugar water and many added more than the suggested amount of sugar.)

Scouts, both Boys and Girls, were popular and physically active. We had chunky kids in Scouts, but they kept up with everyone else.

The first time I saw a kid, shirtless, not even in his teens, riding a bike in public with a beer gut hanging down was in the 70's. Within the next couple of years, I started seeing a whole lot more of them. When Children's Rights popped up in the 80's, even more fat kids appeared because the parents were reluctant to hurt their feelings by making them listen.

Those kids grew up to be Fat Parents, who then spawned more Fat Kids, who now had Rights.

The amount of average physical activity has been reduced over the years by close to 50% due to technology. Assorted dangers popped up which encourage parents to not let their kids wander off alone. Some schools no longer require P.E. Cablevision now provides something like 500 channels.

I grew up with 4.

Lawsuits prevent a lot of entertaining physical activity. (Local liability issues did not allow a skateboard park to be built in town for the kids.) We had public pools, where due to liability, they removed the diving boards. Eventually, all were just closed.

So, if you're fat and don't like it, try moving more and eating wiser. Fast foods don't give a shiat about your health. Their interest is in the bottom dollar. So long as they're not outright poisoning you, they can't be closed down. Experts design foods to appeal to your taste, to make you want more.

Now, in my town, we have more pizza places than I can count, sub shops, delicatessens, Mac Donald's in a couple of places, a couple of Burger Kings, several KFC's, Steak 'n Shake, several other burger joints and BBQ places all over. Grocery stores have whole aisles packed with crunchy snacks. More aisles packed with frozen treats. Scores of Heat and Eat frozen meals often containing far more fats and calories than similar meals made by Mom.

The schools have vending machines in them that would never have been allowed when I was a kid and the majority of the cafeteria meals are outsourced.

I no longer see the great mass of kids riding bikes like they used to. I find more Driving motorcycles and ATV's.

So, if you feel bad about being fat, encouraging everyone else to be fat is not a good idea. Change your habits. Remember, the vast food industry is counting on your consumption of not real healthy stuff, so much so that they invest millions each year in specialists whose entire purpose is to get food to taste so good, you can't resist it. (Look at the assortment of Frito's products.) They also study textures, to find out which food is more 'mouth friendly'.

To keep things legal, the majority of fast and snack food companies will assure you that their intentions are Not for you to consume more of their product than as a casual snack. Yet they push the stuff through advertising so you'll buy more.

50 years ago, folks were a lot leaner. They expended more energy in daily living. Their food choices were limited. They may have consumed more bad fats, but that came from their parents who worked even harder and who could burn off the cholesterol. Like farmers, who arose before dawn, wolfed down a breakfast that would make a cardiologist run screaming in terror, then went out and worked until dusk at hard labor. They burned off the bad fats before they could do harm, using them as energy.

A certain percentage of the population will be fat. That's nature. However, we've gone way beyond the averages in the past 30 years, yet it is controllable, but there's always, it seems, a reason not to do so.

Now, sit back on your overstuffed couch to watch your huge, flat screen TV with 500 channels, snuggle up with a big bag of Cheeto's, a liter of soda, a can of tasty dip, your cell and remote right by your side, maybe your tablet, and watch the next 6 hours of programming. Your Hungry Man's Big Meal, containing enough calories for two lumberjacks, can be popped into the microwave and done in minutes. Either that, or they'll deliver a piping hot, cheese laden supreme pizza right to your door.

Enough calories there to carry Survivorman on a wilderness trek for a week.
2014-01-31 03:42:51 PM  
3 votes:
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2014-01-31 02:56:44 PM  
3 votes:
Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.
2014-01-31 02:52:16 PM  
3 votes:

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


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2014-01-31 02:24:04 PM  
3 votes:
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2014-01-31 02:07:00 PM  
3 votes:
Disney tried to have a healthy kids area that focused on diet and exercise and they actually shut it down because it was said to be fat shaming.  It really is a race to the bottom.
2014-01-31 02:02:10 PM  
3 votes:
i171.photobucket.com

Does Nani count?
2014-01-31 01:57:21 PM  
3 votes:
"Make Plus-Size Princesses In Disney Movies!"

Oh, ffs.  NO.
2014-01-31 01:57:18 PM  
3 votes:
Oh yes...lets have Disney encouraging kids to be fat even though we as a country struggle with child obesity which is costing millions in healthcare. All because some fatass teen wants to feel good about her body. You are not "plus-sized". You are fat. Put down the fork and pick up a kettlebell if you want to feel better about your self-image.
2014-01-31 01:57:05 PM  
3 votes:
Everyone knows that in Disney cartoons, fat chicks are the villains, not the princesses:

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2014-01-31 01:54:03 PM  
3 votes:
while they are at it they should make fat and bald princes too
2014-01-31 01:51:18 PM  
3 votes:
"So what message does this send teens? "

That it's a fargin cartoon and not meant to be taken as fact?

jeezuz crist, I'm not a slender gal by any means, and crap like this makes me insane.

YOU'RE FAT. PUT DOWN THE SAMMICH.
2014-01-31 03:21:27 PM  
2 votes:
If you're 13 years old and consider Disney princesses as role models you got more problems than being fat.

But still put the dingle-hopper down Fatty.
2014-01-31 03:18:18 PM  
2 votes:
Fat people already have their own game, what more do they want?
static2.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-01-31 02:55:08 PM  
2 votes:
The dick wants what the dick wants.

Most of them don't want fatties.
2014-01-31 02:54:14 PM  
2 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


Ditto.

I get it. we shouldn't fat shame people and they may be perfectly nice people. But this "Everyone is beautiful so that means the 300 pound fatty should be considered hot" shiat has to end.

It's not going to happen.
2014-01-31 02:37:09 PM  
2 votes:
"Teen Starts Petition..."

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2014-01-31 02:29:34 PM  
2 votes:

LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.


I read that in Lisa Simpson's voice.
2014-01-31 02:29:09 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Open your eyes.
It's a cartoon, they're not fat nor skinny.
2014-01-31 02:13:37 PM  
2 votes:
What ever happened to doing something yourself? You want movies with fat princesses in them? Well, you could put in the effort, work your damned ass off, start your own animation studio (perhaps with other like minded individuals), and make it happen. Or you could sit on the side lines and demand that someone else do it for you.
2014-01-31 02:13:15 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-01-31 02:12:48 PM  
2 votes:
Stop looking to corporations for your self worth.
2014-01-31 02:12:46 PM  
2 votes:

jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.


Everybody can'tbe beautiful. I don't get why people (feminists) keep pushing this idea that everyone is beautiful. Instead we should be telling people that being beautiful isn't everything. I mean, it's another lie, but it makes more sense
2014-01-31 02:12:19 PM  
2 votes:
Neither Disney nor anyone else is obligated to make movies that make fat people feel better about themselves.
2014-01-31 02:11:59 PM  
2 votes:
Some girl role models for plus-sized gals.

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2014-01-31 02:10:58 PM  
2 votes:
Nicely done, subby.

As for this petition, well life sucks for non-beautiful fat(ter) people.  Deal with it.  You aren't going to be a model and you aren't going to see a movie that features someone like you (unless in a comedy).   Me either.
2014-01-31 02:09:58 PM  
2 votes:
Plus-size, schmus-size. I think it's wrong for girls to try to emulate and idolize monarchy.
2014-01-31 02:07:11 PM  
2 votes:

jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.


If you look at the pictures, those three body types are (or could be) beautiful.  If you keep it down to that level it doesn't harm society one bit.

The morbidly obese, however, are a drain on themselves and society and should encouraged to get down to the "fat" size in the picture.
2014-01-31 02:00:39 PM  
2 votes:

codigo: Eat less
Move around more


Not even less, just better.  Fewer Calories.
2014-01-31 01:58:41 PM  
2 votes:
Eat less
Move around more
2014-01-31 01:53:12 PM  
2 votes:
I'm usually all for body acceptance but sometimes it's just whining.
2014-01-31 10:07:32 PM  
1 votes:
Jeez, this thread makes me feel sorry for kids these days.  They're born into a world where they're completely at the mercy of whatever carb-filled processed shiatfood their parents cram in the cupboard because they're working too much to cook properly.  A world where a big-screen TV and an XBOX is a given, while things like bicycles and dogs and time in nature are luxury items that many can't afford.  Even if they have bikes, the roads are too dangerous to bike on anyway.  A world where all their peer interactions involve the internet somehow...

...so they end up fat, and the old men here mock them and say, "hey!  You should have grown up with a stay-at-home mom who could spend 4 hours a day making real food!  Leave all your friends behind and go run around in the woods like a crazy hermit!"

Baby boomers.  You damn near ruined this world.  Stop blaming the kids who have to inherit your utter failure.

Also... i'm an artist.  Trust me, it's perfectly possible to draw a curvy, sorta-chubby character and still have them look vibrant and Disney-cute and nowhere near this uncanny valley you fear.  It just requires a different sort of stylization.

Christ.  I bet when people were asking for a black Disney princess, some douches were all, "look, there's a reason there are no black princesses, it's just that dark shades of brown don't, ah, mesh well with the typical color palette."
2014-01-31 05:38:16 PM  
1 votes:

Far Cough: tiamet4: AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

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Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?

Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.

Not directed at me, but...

a. The first looks like a waif, close to rail thin model territory (but not as bad)

b. The second looks like a thin woman.

c.  The third is overweight.

No way does a or b fit into "Plus Size" territory, even in the modeling world.  One should probably define the real goals and terms in pursuing this kind of agenda.  Of course that's hard considering the freedoms allowed in various animation styles, the way cartoons are expected to look, etc.

I think any or all are welcome as heroines, but cartoons often de-emphasize the bust on younger characters, so the third body type is likely to look worse than it does in that sketch.

I meant to mention the fat boy scout in "Up".  Not sure if he qualifies as a "hero" or not (I hated his character) but he was seriously overweight.

Hmm, come to think of it, why would the fat Princess movement be more important than a fat male hero movement.  There really aren't any of those either, unless you count Steven Seagal.  I still wish they'd do away with the "princess" concept rather than hardening it into an expectation.


I think you're agreeing with me...

I think different body types for male and female heroines would be welcome. Honestly, as with the little boy in Up, however you feel about the health of a particular body type, you don't have to be a certain shape or size to have an adventure or have admirable qualities or have your thoughts and feelings matter enough to be the focus of a story.

That would be my goal and it's what I interpret the goal of the petition to be. Not so much "hey let's make morbid obesity look good" but let's show that everyone has value.
2014-01-31 05:20:12 PM  
1 votes:

tiamet4: AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?

Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.


Not directed at me, but...

a. The first looks like a waif, close to rail thin model territory (but not as bad)

b. The second looks like a thin woman.

c.  The third is overweight.

No way does a or b fit into "Plus Size" territory, even in the modeling world.  One should probably define the real goals and terms in pursuing this kind of agenda.  Of course that's hard considering the freedoms allowed in various animation styles, the way cartoons are expected to look, etc.

I think any or all are welcome as heroines, but cartoons often de-emphasize the bust on younger characters, so the third body type is likely to look worse than it does in that sketch.

I meant to mention the fat boy scout in "Up".  Not sure if he qualifies as a "hero" or not (I hated his character) but he was seriously overweight.

Hmm, come to think of it, why would the fat Princess movement be more important than a fat male hero movement.  There really aren't any of those either, unless you count Steven Seagal.  I still wish they'd do away with the "princess" concept rather than hardening it into an expectation.
2014-01-31 05:03:43 PM  
1 votes:

tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.


Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.
2014-01-31 04:56:46 PM  
1 votes:

thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.


That's fantastic!

I grew up in the 70's, a time when every class had a single "fat kid". Well, I was that fat kid. For most of my life I thought that being obese was "genetic" and that it was simply my lot in life because "some bodies are different". I had no significant health issues in my life... Until I hit my 40's. Well, predictably, my blood pressure skyrocketed, and I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome. I didn't think too much about it (after all, there was "nothing I could do about it"), until last November, when I went blind in one eye due to high-blood pressure/obesity (my sight is slowly starting to return, thankfully). Suddenly, I was much more motivated to lose weight, and have lost 25 pounds since December 01. What surprised me the most was how (relatively) easy it was to lose, in spite of my "bad genetics".
2014-01-31 04:44:53 PM  
1 votes:

timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*


I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

That said, if it happens to improve your own life, please, go for it.
2014-01-31 04:43:52 PM  
1 votes:
On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.
2014-01-31 04:42:38 PM  
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fruitloop: [i171.photobucket.com image 508x298]

Does Nani count?


Uh, dafuq? Nani and Lilo are actually relatively normally-proportioned. As was pointed out in TFA, Anna (recent Disney princess)'s eyeballs were bigger than her wrists. Try and imagine a human being with that for a second. Yeah. What we think of as 'thin' in cartoon land is more like 'grotesquely weird-shaped'.
2014-01-31 04:37:48 PM  
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Far Cough: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(

Really, tlars?  It doesn't have to be a drastic formal diet of any kind.  Just cut down.  Reduce your intake just a little bit over time.    Skipping entire meals and/or days is also underrated in my opinion.  For me the only hard part is later at night.

Anyhow, good luck.


Currently pregnant, so currently cutting down is not looked well upon, as I may lack nutrients for teh Babby.

What I should do is cut off the gym membership, join the Y and go swimming or just walking everyday- I do live in WI so there's that.
Wii Yoga makes me feel awesome. I should do more of that. Finding a when to do it would be nice. :(
2014-01-31 04:03:16 PM  
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tlars699: Two16: THIS:
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THIS:
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You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?

Lusiphur: tlars699: You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?

I was going to post something similar, but they aren't actually the same size. Look at proportions of the upper arms to the face. The one on top is definitely less obese than the one on the bottom.



Huh, to me the one on top looks much larger.  Even with the girdle she's nearly as bulbous as the bottom woman; she seems to have much more to hide.  The bottom woman looks slightly healthier, truth be told.
2014-01-31 04:00:42 PM  
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Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough


So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.
2014-01-31 03:41:32 PM  
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I'm a lot more concerned that Disney princesses have eyes so freakishly large that if you imagined them being anatomically correct orbs, they wouldn't leave room in their skulls for brains.
2014-01-31 03:36:19 PM  
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tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?


If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?
2014-01-31 03:32:19 PM  
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baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.

I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.

Right, I forgot, this is Fark. If you let your 7 year old girl dream of being a "traditional" princess, you've condemned her to a life of low self-esteem, bad relationships, and utter and complete subservience to men.


Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.
2014-01-31 03:30:38 PM  
1 votes:
Yet another thread where Farkers magically do not follow national obesity percentages and everyone is thin and trim.
Internet anonymity strikes again.
2014-01-31 03:30:18 PM  
1 votes:
Can I just point out that if you're a high-school junior and you still watch Disney Princess films, you may have issues that are completely unrelated to your size? Or is this a chicken-and-egg thing, where your size causes you to have less social prospects so you sit at home watching Disney movies, but you sit at home watching Disney movies which leads you to have few social prospects which leads you to compulsively overeat to deal with not having a life?

In all seriousness, though, it's an animated cartoon that has a specific style that is completely unrelated to actual body issues. It's like having a problem with mickey mouse because real mice aren't bipedal. If you want to have a conversation about negative values in Disney movies, let's focus more on the unrealistic standards of love and relationships, combined with a low-grade undercurrent of misogyny that Disney promotes (you NEED a handsome prince to validate you, and that means you'll find your ONE TRUE LOVE and live happily ever after!).

Whats more, Disney also creates absolutely unrealistic expectations of what a man should look and act like. I mean, for farks sake, the only man alive with a chin broader than most Disney prince characters is Jay Leno. The funny thing is, I don't see men complaining about it. It's a stylized archetype, and whether you want to admit it or not, and whether you think it's right or not, the current trend for archetypal beauty is a slim woman. I don't think this is because pop culture pushes this on us, but rather because we push it on pop culture. I mean, Barbie, a leading pop culture icon, went to "more realistic proportions", and that had zero effect on the zeitgeist. None. No one cared. Why? Because most people rightfully understand that not everyone is going to be stick thin and that's a-ok and it's also ok to have idealized archetypes that don't look like anyone actually could in reality. Also because most of the women crusading for fat-acceptance and the use of plus-size everything aren't just unconventionally attractive or curvy or full-figured: they're outright obese, and most people don't find that terribly attractive. Sorry, ladies, but that's the harsh truth, and it's exactly the same in reverse. People are not attracted to men with huge beer guts that hang over their belt buckles either.

So I guess my point is, stop trying to force a top-down cultural change just because you have self-esteem issues. That isn't how these things happen. Culture starts at the bottom and is co-opted once it's established (trust me, I do marketing for a living. It's damn near impossible to force these kinds of things.) If you want to be accepted, you have to put in the hard work of making being fat cool, at which point Disney will make a fat princess. The question is, do we really want to make obesity (not "plus-size", which is a weasel marketin term to make you feel better about being fat, and not "curvy", which used to mean a woman with a few extra pounds and not someone who is 50+ pounds overweight) cool?

/Also, Lilo was chubby, though technically she's not a princess
2014-01-31 03:20:56 PM  
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ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


Thread over.  Being fat isn't noble.  It's an outward sign you don't give a shiat*.


*95% of the time.  Yes, there are the medically-stressed that may not have much say in the issue.
2014-01-31 03:19:23 PM  
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weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 600x600]

Does the Prince get to be "realistic", too?


I like this. Both ways, nice.
2014-01-31 03:17:49 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Does the Prince get to be "realistic", too?
2014-01-31 03:07:48 PM  
1 votes:

Nogale: Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?

No, because she was fat and unattractive. That would defeat the purpose. Missy Thang obviously wants big, beautiful princesses.


You mean this lovely lady?img.fark.net

Cameron Diaz? Before she was a stick?
2014-01-31 03:07:03 PM  
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Far Cough: Pilikia:
Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

0/10

Thanks, 'cause I was about to bite.

Anyway, this thread puts me in a weird position, since I'm usually the one criticizing the fatties and telling them to stop lying to themselves that they can't lose weight if they just stop eating so damn much, calories are calories, etc.

But I wouldn't particularly mind a cartoon character who's not rail thin, whether man or woman.  Crazy obese would be bad, but there's nothing wrong with a slightly chubby (maybe 20 pounds) hero or heroine.

What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

It's a little like the Bond girls.  Every single time we hear how THIS time it's going to be strong independent Bond girl, not like the eye candy objects before her.  But it never is, because it's not how those movies work.

I love most Disney stuff, but the Princess thing has got to stop already.


Somebody here mentioned Nani from Lilo and Stitch. I could definitely see a move in her direction - strong, independent, muscular AND curvy. But what I DON'T need as the parent of a fat kid is a collective cultural "giving up" on the issue of overall physical health and fitness.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-01-31 03:02:34 PM  
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Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?


No, because she was fat and unattractive. That would defeat the purpose. Missy Thang obviously wants big, beautiful princesses.
2014-01-31 03:00:59 PM  
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media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
Yeah, kids will LOVE that.
2014-01-31 02:57:37 PM  
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Fat princess was a seriously underrated game. Anyway, someone took an issue with that game too. Can't please some people so even bother trying.
2014-01-31 02:52:51 PM  
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give me doughnuts: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


Or he could tell her the truth.


Thank you. And that truth is that unlike her siblings she did not inherit the metabolism that allows her to eat whatever she wants while at the same time not ever exercising and still stay reasonably healthy. 5'8" and 195lbs at 16 is NOT okay; it's the top of a slope that leads quickly down to a miserably unhealthy adulthood. Her grandfather (my father-in-law) topped out at 450+ pounds before he talked reluctant surgeons into giving him a gastric bypass. She needs real information, not about how she looks in a mirror, but about what she's doing to her body.
2014-01-31 02:50:38 PM  
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Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough


Sometimes being a parent means having to say NO. It sucks being a fat kid. It can fark with your psyche and self-esteem for decades, not to mention putting a kid on a path to an early death. I've struggled with weight my whole life. I went from 290 in high school to 170 by the time I was 21. I let it creep back up to 290 again in the last few years, and am halfway back to 170 again, hopefully for good. Fat isn't fun.
2014-01-31 02:50:34 PM  
1 votes:
Stop with the thin-shaming you fat pigs.
2014-01-31 02:49:13 PM  
1 votes:
Because appeasing our fragile egos with fantasy tales is so much easier that exercise.
2014-01-31 02:47:43 PM  
1 votes:

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.



Or he could tell her the truth.
2014-01-31 02:47:35 PM  
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Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


img.fark.net
2014-01-31 02:47:30 PM  
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TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is


Change your chemistry yourself.  Seriously.

I know I will be vilified by this, but anyone who is obese needs to try a low-carb diet.  It sounds insane and I thought so too.  I've been on it for 2 years at the recommendation of my doctor.  What I know is that before I tried it I weighed 250 lbs, had hypoglycemia (my doctor thought I was pre-diabetic), was always hungry, couldn't sleep at night, had high cholesterol, and felt like shiat constantly.

After I adopted it, my cholesterol normalized, my blood sugar has been normal for 2 years, I'm never hungry, have tons of energy, sleep all night without a problem, my sex drive is back to what it was like when I was 18 (I'm in my 40s), and I feel generally terrific.  And I lost 70 lbs without trying.  No crazy workouts or starving myself, all I did was change what I eat.  I actually have trouble maintaining 180 lbs while eating 2500 calories a day.

Do yourself a favor and try it.
2014-01-31 02:44:30 PM  
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LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.


It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?
2014-01-31 02:40:37 PM  
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fruitloop: [i171.photobucket.com image 508x298]

Does Nani count?


Nani is hot.
2014-01-31 02:37:59 PM  
1 votes:
epicpix.com
2014-01-31 02:27:27 PM  
1 votes:
I have dropped 30 pounds, 20 to go. If anyone is interested this was a huge difference maker for me:

www.blogcdn.com
2014-01-31 02:26:12 PM  
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Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.
2014-01-31 02:25:34 PM  
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Archae hippy: I got into some really bad habits around work with the office ladies bringing in baked goods/candy all the time (I suspect since they are pretty big they want everyone to be).


I had a similar situation at work, mostly with leftover muffins from morning meetings and crap like that. I devised the counter diet, as in "I am not allowed to eat anything from the counter."
2014-01-31 02:22:08 PM  
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While fashion model thin is unrealistic, unhealthy and in my opinion mostly unattractive, this fat acceptance crap is just as bad. I saw an image macro somewhere or a woman who was beyond chubby and well into obese territory captioned with 'there is not a thin person inside me' or somesuch. It was combined with an xray of a similarly obese person that shockingly, had a regular old skeleton and organs which made it appear that there was indeed a summer person in there somewhere.
2014-01-31 02:12:58 PM  
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Archae hippy: jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.

If you look at the pictures, those three body types are (or could be) beautiful.  If you keep it down to that level it doesn't harm society one bit.

The morbidly obese, however, are a drain on themselves and society and should encouraged to get down to the "fat" size in the picture.


The problem is it gets extrapolated:

i1347.photobucket.com


Ummm... no. One of you are being lied to and you are believing it.
2014-01-31 02:11:24 PM  
1 votes:
Mirror, mirror on the wall
Please lower my Cholesterol
2014-01-31 02:09:20 PM  
1 votes:

Hollie Maea: Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.


This.  Proteins and fats burn much slower.  That is why Chinese food always leaves you hungry; lots of sugar and other simple carbohydrates.
2014-01-31 02:06:29 PM  
1 votes:
TheBigJerk:

I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.


Oh that would be tough to deal with.  I rarely get like that, but when I do it's hunger? nausea? hard to tell.

I completely agree demanding acceptance is not the solution.  Better chemistry and hard work to not be fat (if that's what it takes)

Me, I don't work that hard at it.
2014-01-31 02:02:06 PM  
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Wait.  They're still gonna have all the hidden sex scenes in there, right?
2014-01-31 02:00:40 PM  
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Wellon Dowd: There are plenty of fatties out there serving as role models for porcine pre-pubescents.


Rush Limbaugh?
2014-01-31 01:59:02 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, lets make it more acceptable to be unhealthy. Dont like yourself? Dont put the blame anywhere except right on your shoulders. The only exception being certain medical conditions of course, but how many obese people can honestly claim that these days?

/put the fork down.
2014-01-31 01:58:33 PM  
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img.fark.net
2014-01-31 01:56:43 PM  
1 votes:
Make one that chain smokes and occasionally hooks for meth money too.
2014-01-31 01:53:36 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon:  Maybe 1% of those are because of medical conditions.


Yep.  My sister is one of those people.  Me, I'm just kinda fat, and don't use her excuse as my excuse.  My excuse?  I'm lazy and I like bread.  :)
2014-01-31 01:51:58 PM  
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ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


I might not like the walking skeleton motif, but yeah.  You're still fat and ugly.
2014-01-31 01:51:34 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?


Nope, not Disney.
 
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