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(Huffington Post)   'Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the plumpest of them all?' 'Famed is thy girth, Majesty. But hold, a chunky maid I see. Rags cannot hide her heaving size. Alas, she is more fat than thee.'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 263
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2014-01-31 01:21:42 PM
Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.
 
2014-01-31 01:47:13 PM

RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.


I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^
 
2014-01-31 01:49:32 PM
We're through the looking-glass here, people.
 
2014-01-31 01:50:44 PM
Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?
 
2014-01-31 01:51:18 PM
"So what message does this send teens? "

That it's a fargin cartoon and not meant to be taken as fact?

jeezuz crist, I'm not a slender gal by any means, and crap like this makes me insane.

YOU'RE FAT. PUT DOWN THE SAMMICH.
 
2014-01-31 01:51:34 PM

Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?


Nope, not Disney.
 
2014-01-31 01:51:42 PM
seriously - eat healthy, go to the gym - it is not hard

I used to stick up for fat people (because I was one) but since I figured out the only reason I was fat was because it was all my fault I have no empathy.

We will point at a smoker and tell them how much they are doing to their health - yet tell a fat person eating at Olive Garden that they should pass on the bread sticks and do some crunches and people get all shiatty.
 
2014-01-31 01:51:43 PM
Put the fork down, Princess.  If you don't want men to be reviled by your being fat, don't be fat.  No amount of political correctness is going to change the fact that most people prefer someone who is fit.  Sorry.

And I don't want to hear the medical condition/glandular problem bullshiat.  60% of the US is obese.  Maybe 1% of those are because of medical conditions.  They have an excuse, you don't snowflake.
 
2014-01-31 01:51:55 PM
If you have a poor self-image and are depressed because of your weight, diet and exercise. Your brain will thank you for it by being more positive about your self image. Don't be a facist by making other people tell you that you're beautiful; either change yourself or accept yourself for who you are.
 
2014-01-31 01:51:58 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


I might not like the walking skeleton motif, but yeah.  You're still fat and ugly.
 
2014-01-31 01:52:30 PM
Frozen was an utter turd written in five minutes but it made millions (oh the subtle differences between brain-dead sidekicks).  Good luck petitioning Disney for anything they're not already giving you.
 
2014-01-31 01:53:12 PM
I'm usually all for body acceptance but sometimes it's just whining.
 
2014-01-31 01:53:36 PM

AngryDragon:  Maybe 1% of those are because of medical conditions.


Yep.  My sister is one of those people.  Me, I'm just kinda fat, and don't use her excuse as my excuse.  My excuse?  I'm lazy and I like bread.  :)
 
2014-01-31 01:54:03 PM
while they are at it they should make fat and bald princes too
 
2014-01-31 01:55:05 PM
static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-31 01:55:56 PM

baconbeard: We're through the looking-glass here, people.


Or funhouse mirror.
 
2014-01-31 01:55:59 PM
FTFA: and in Disney's latest hit, "Frozen," Anna's eyeballs are actually larger than her wrists.

Yeah, they're probably trying to avoid the uncanny valley. The bodies seems like typical unrealistic thinness, but the faces NEED to be unrealistic enough to keep people from being freaked out (remember Mars Needs Moms?)
 
2014-01-31 01:56:03 PM
I could make that work. It's all about boob to waist ratios.
 
2014-01-31 01:56:43 PM
Make one that chain smokes and occasionally hooks for meth money too.
 
2014-01-31 01:57:05 PM
Everyone knows that in Disney cartoons, fat chicks are the villains, not the princesses:

static4.wikia.nocookie.net

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-31 01:57:18 PM
Oh yes...lets have Disney encouraging kids to be fat even though we as a country struggle with child obesity which is costing millions in healthcare. All because some fatass teen wants to feel good about her body. You are not "plus-sized". You are fat. Put down the fork and pick up a kettlebell if you want to feel better about your self-image.
 
2014-01-31 01:57:21 PM
"Make Plus-Size Princesses In Disney Movies!"

Oh, ffs.  NO.
 
2014-01-31 01:57:29 PM
Good show, subby.
 
2014-01-31 01:58:33 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-31 01:58:41 PM
Eat less
Move around more
 
2014-01-31 01:58:58 PM
There are plenty of fatties out there serving as role models for porcine pre-pubescents.
 
2014-01-31 01:59:02 PM
Yes, lets make it more acceptable to be unhealthy. Dont like yourself? Dont put the blame anywhere except right on your shoulders. The only exception being certain medical conditions of course, but how many obese people can honestly claim that these days?

/put the fork down.
 
2014-01-31 01:59:03 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: AngryDragon:  Maybe 1% of those are because of medical conditions.

Yep.  My sister is one of those people.  Me, I'm just kinda fat, and don't use her excuse as my excuse.  My excuse?  I'm lazy and I like bread.  :)


I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.
 
2014-01-31 02:00:15 PM
i.huffpost.com


This lie is actually detrimental to society.
 
2014-01-31 02:00:39 PM

codigo: Eat less
Move around more


Not even less, just better.  Fewer Calories.
 
2014-01-31 02:00:40 PM

Wellon Dowd: There are plenty of fatties out there serving as role models for porcine pre-pubescents.


Rush Limbaugh?
 
2014-01-31 02:00:47 PM
This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.
 
2014-01-31 02:01:14 PM

jst3p: This lie is actually detrimental to society.


Not to mention health.
 
2014-01-31 02:01:39 PM

kittyhas1000legs: FTFA: and in Disney's latest hit, "Frozen," Anna's eyeballs are actually larger than her wrists.

Yeah, they're probably trying to avoid the uncanny valley. The bodies seems like typical unrealistic thinness, but the faces NEED to be unrealistic enough to keep people from being freaked out (remember Mars Needs Moms?)


Bad example, as NOBODY remembers "Mars Needs Moms".
 
2014-01-31 02:02:06 PM
Wait.  They're still gonna have all the hidden sex scenes in there, right?
 
2014-01-31 02:02:10 PM
i171.photobucket.com

Does Nani count?
 
2014-01-31 02:02:16 PM

baconbeard: This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.


Is it a big bottom?
 
2014-01-31 02:02:59 PM

baconbeard: Everyone knows that in Disney cartoons, fat chicks are the villains, not the princesses:

[static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 527x480]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x225]


schmoesknow.com

it's not a rule.
 
2014-01-31 02:03:19 PM

Wellon Dowd: baconbeard: This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.

Is it a big bottom?


Those girls make the rockin world go round.

Difficulty: I have it on good authority that women with big legs got no soul.
 
2014-01-31 02:03:35 PM

Wellon Dowd: baconbeard: This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.

Is it a big bottom?


Talk about bum-cakes...
 
2014-01-31 02:03:54 PM

baconbeard: This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.


If there's a race downhill, I gotta put my money on the fatties.
 
2014-01-31 02:04:24 PM

This text is now purple: baconbeard: Everyone knows that in Disney cartoons, fat chicks are the villains, not the princesses:

[static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 527x480]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x225]

[schmoesknow.com image 850x503]

it's not a rule.


Not even close to a rule:

blog.missesdressy.com
 
2014-01-31 02:06:29 PM
TheBigJerk:

I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.


Oh that would be tough to deal with.  I rarely get like that, but when I do it's hunger? nausea? hard to tell.

I completely agree demanding acceptance is not the solution.  Better chemistry and hard work to not be fat (if that's what it takes)

Me, I don't work that hard at it.
 
2014-01-31 02:07:00 PM
Disney tried to have a healthy kids area that focused on diet and exercise and they actually shut it down because it was said to be fat shaming.  It really is a race to the bottom.
 
2014-01-31 02:07:11 PM

jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.


If you look at the pictures, those three body types are (or could be) beautiful.  If you keep it down to that level it doesn't harm society one bit.

The morbidly obese, however, are a drain on themselves and society and should encouraged to get down to the "fat" size in the picture.
 
2014-01-31 02:07:31 PM

TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.


Do you eat a lot of high glycemic index food?  That is a common cause of that, due to the pancreas overshooting insulin production.  Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.
 
2014-01-31 02:08:07 PM

baconbeard: This "Fat Acceptance" nonsense has got to stop. It's basically a race to the bottom.


Agreed.  I can understand complaints about movie studios and the fashion industry utilizing women who have abnormally slender frames.  But to say that the cure is to utilize woman who are overweight or obese is incorrect in my view.  There is a middle ground.
 
2014-01-31 02:09:20 PM

Hollie Maea: Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.


This.  Proteins and fats burn much slower.  That is why Chinese food always leaves you hungry; lots of sugar and other simple carbohydrates.
 
2014-01-31 02:09:58 PM
Plus-size, schmus-size. I think it's wrong for girls to try to emulate and idolize monarchy.
 
2014-01-31 02:10:58 PM
Nicely done, subby.

As for this petition, well life sucks for non-beautiful fat(ter) people.  Deal with it.  You aren't going to be a model and you aren't going to see a movie that features someone like you (unless in a comedy).   Me either.
 
2014-01-31 02:11:24 PM
Mirror, mirror on the wall
Please lower my Cholesterol
 
2014-01-31 02:11:59 PM
Some girl role models for plus-sized gals.

i.imgur.com



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2014-01-31 02:12:19 PM
Neither Disney nor anyone else is obligated to make movies that make fat people feel better about themselves.
 
2014-01-31 02:12:46 PM

jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.


Everybody can'tbe beautiful. I don't get why people (feminists) keep pushing this idea that everyone is beautiful. Instead we should be telling people that being beautiful isn't everything. I mean, it's another lie, but it makes more sense
 
2014-01-31 02:12:48 PM
Stop looking to corporations for your self worth.
 
2014-01-31 02:12:58 PM

Archae hippy: jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.

If you look at the pictures, those three body types are (or could be) beautiful.  If you keep it down to that level it doesn't harm society one bit.

The morbidly obese, however, are a drain on themselves and society and should encouraged to get down to the "fat" size in the picture.


The problem is it gets extrapolated:

i1347.photobucket.com


Ummm... no. One of you are being lied to and you are believing it.
 
2014-01-31 02:13:02 PM
TheBigJerk:  I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.


I got into some really bad habits around work with the office ladies bringing in baked goods/candy all the time (I suspect since they are pretty big they want everyone to be).

Now when I get a craving for something, I go for a walk.  A 2-3 mile walk.  It usually stops the craving and I have lost about 20 lbs since I started in September.

Of course it helps that I'm kinda the boss and can disappear for half an hour every now and then. try it.
 
2014-01-31 02:13:15 PM
fc04.deviantart.net
fc05.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-31 02:13:37 PM
What ever happened to doing something yourself? You want movies with fat princesses in them? Well, you could put in the effort, work your damned ass off, start your own animation studio (perhaps with other like minded individuals), and make it happen. Or you could sit on the side lines and demand that someone else do it for you.
 
2014-01-31 02:15:25 PM

RedPhoenix122: Hollie Maea: Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.

This.  Proteins and fats burn much slower.  That is why Chinese food always leaves you hungry; lots of sugar and other simple carbohydrates.


I tried keto for awhile (almost no carbs) and it was impressive how not hungry I was.

I gave it up because it requires a LOT of planing to maintain.
 
2014-01-31 02:16:28 PM

Archae hippy: TheBigJerk:  I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.

I got into some really bad habits around work with the office ladies bringing in baked goods/candy all the time (I suspect since they are pretty big they want everyone to be).

Now when I get a craving for something, I go for a walk.  A 2-3 mile walk.  It usually stops the craving and I have lost about 20 lbs since I started in September.

Of course it helps that I'm kinda the boss and can disappear for half an hour every now and then. try it.


So you are losing weight LIKE A BOSS!


/grats
 
2014-01-31 02:21:31 PM

proteon: Frozen was an utter turd written in five minutes but it made millions (oh the subtle differences between brain-dead sidekicks).  Good luck petitioning Disney for anything they're not already giving you.


This. I like a musical, but holy hell, this had more songs than The Sound of Music, and all of them crap!
 
2014-01-31 02:21:49 PM

jst3p: RedPhoenix122: Hollie Maea: Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.

This.  Proteins and fats burn much slower.  That is why Chinese food always leaves you hungry; lots of sugar and other simple carbohydrates.

I tried keto for awhile (almost no carbs) and it was impressive how not hungry I was.

I gave it up because it requires a LOT of planing to maintain.


Well, even less drastic things can be helpful...unprocessed carbs are at least better than highly refined ones.  And mixing whatever you are eating with some high fiber stuff always helps.
 
2014-01-31 02:22:08 PM
While fashion model thin is unrealistic, unhealthy and in my opinion mostly unattractive, this fat acceptance crap is just as bad. I saw an image macro somewhere or a woman who was beyond chubby and well into obese territory captioned with 'there is not a thin person inside me' or somesuch. It was combined with an xray of a similarly obese person that shockingly, had a regular old skeleton and organs which made it appear that there was indeed a summer person in there somewhere.
 
2014-01-31 02:23:30 PM

Hollie Maea: jst3p: RedPhoenix122: Hollie Maea: Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.

This.  Proteins and fats burn much slower.  That is why Chinese food always leaves you hungry; lots of sugar and other simple carbohydrates.

I tried keto for awhile (almost no carbs) and it was impressive how not hungry I was.

I gave it up because it requires a LOT of planing to maintain.

Well, even less drastic things can be helpful...unprocessed carbs are at least better than highly refined ones.  And mixing whatever you are eating with some high fiber stuff always helps.


Yeah, I still eat way fewer carbs when possible, maintaining ketosis is challenging when you don't plan ahead ALL the time.
 
2014-01-31 02:24:04 PM
img594.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-31 02:24:57 PM

jst3p: This text is now purple: baconbeard: Everyone knows that in Disney cartoons, fat chicks are the villains, not the princesses:

[static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 527x480]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x225]

[schmoesknow.com image 850x503]

it's not a rule.

Not even close to a rule:

[blog.missesdressy.com image 850x471]


Jusus...Liefeld does Disney?
 
2014-01-31 02:25:34 PM

Archae hippy: I got into some really bad habits around work with the office ladies bringing in baked goods/candy all the time (I suspect since they are pretty big they want everyone to be).


I had a similar situation at work, mostly with leftover muffins from morning meetings and crap like that. I devised the counter diet, as in "I am not allowed to eat anything from the counter."
 
2014-01-31 02:26:12 PM
Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.
 
2014-01-31 02:27:27 PM
I have dropped 30 pounds, 20 to go. If anyone is interested this was a huge difference maker for me:

www.blogcdn.com
 
2014-01-31 02:27:31 PM

mrjared: while they are at it they should make fat and bald princes

   commoners too


And poor. Oh, so very, very poor.
 
2014-01-31 02:27:47 PM

p the boiler: seriously - eat healthy, go to the gym - it is not hard

I used to stick up for fat people (because I was one) but since I figured out the only reason I was fat was because it was all my fault I have no empathy.

We will point at a smoker and tell them how much they are doing to their health - yet tell a fat person eating at Olive Garden that they should pass on the bread sticks and do some crunches and people get all shiatty.


Back when I used to smoke, during one break a coworker WADDLED up to me to tell me, "You know, those things are bad for you!"

She was coming back from lunch with some other coworkers, so I did not reply what I was really thinking.
 
2014-01-31 02:29:09 PM
i.imgur.com

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Open your eyes.
It's a cartoon, they're not fat nor skinny.
 
2014-01-31 02:29:34 PM

LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.


I read that in Lisa Simpson's voice.
 
2014-01-31 02:32:21 PM

jst3p: I have dropped 30 pounds, 20 to go. If anyone is interested this was a huge difference maker for me:

[www.blogcdn.com image 619x420]


I concur. I've lost 25 pounds (75 to go) using something similar.
 
2014-01-31 02:33:26 PM

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: proteon: Frozen was an utter turd written in five minutes but it made millions (oh the subtle differences between brain-dead sidekicks).  Good luck petitioning Disney for anything they're not already giving you.

This. I like a musical, but holy hell, this had more songs than The Sound of Music, and all of them crap!


I love to sing, but only deaf people like to be around me when I do. DISNEY: create a nonmusical movie for me, because my singing sucks!
 
2014-01-31 02:36:15 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough
 
2014-01-31 02:36:26 PM

Wellon Dowd: There are plenty of fatties out there serving as role models for porcine pre-pubescents.


"Bridezilla" comes to mind.

Thank fsm i have sons and nephews.
 
2014-01-31 02:37:09 PM
"Teen Starts Petition..."

dosedosedose.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-31 02:37:23 PM
fitsnews.com
 
2014-01-31 02:37:59 PM
epicpix.com
 
2014-01-31 02:38:28 PM
 
2014-01-31 02:40:18 PM
www.subcultz.com
 
2014-01-31 02:40:37 PM

fruitloop: [i171.photobucket.com image 508x298]

Does Nani count?


Nani is hot.
 
2014-01-31 02:41:52 PM

Hollie Maea: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Do you eat a lot of high glycemic index food?  That is a common cause of that, due to the pancreas overshooting insulin production.  Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.


Probably?  I had a vegetarian week where I would eat and eat and feel like I hadn't eaten anything at all until I added some meat to it.

I am sure it is related to a family history rife with diabetes too.

Breads and sugars end up making a heavy appearance because of bad habits, (hate cooking) and, you know, America(fark yeah!).  But really it's meat that makes the pain stop.

And meat isn't slow-burning enough.
 
2014-01-31 02:41:54 PM

Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.


Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.
 
2014-01-31 02:42:48 PM

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


0/10
 
2014-01-31 02:44:30 PM

LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.


It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?
 
2014-01-31 02:45:49 PM

Bonzo_1116: LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.

It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?


Mostly this. There are still serious health risks associated with being fit-fat, but mostly I agree with this.
 
2014-01-31 02:45:55 PM

Pilikia: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

0/10


Exactly.  Tell your daughter that she's a zero out of ten until she satisfies your conditions.
 
2014-01-31 02:47:30 PM

TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is


Change your chemistry yourself.  Seriously.

I know I will be vilified by this, but anyone who is obese needs to try a low-carb diet.  It sounds insane and I thought so too.  I've been on it for 2 years at the recommendation of my doctor.  What I know is that before I tried it I weighed 250 lbs, had hypoglycemia (my doctor thought I was pre-diabetic), was always hungry, couldn't sleep at night, had high cholesterol, and felt like shiat constantly.

After I adopted it, my cholesterol normalized, my blood sugar has been normal for 2 years, I'm never hungry, have tons of energy, sleep all night without a problem, my sex drive is back to what it was like when I was 18 (I'm in my 40s), and I feel generally terrific.  And I lost 70 lbs without trying.  No crazy workouts or starving myself, all I did was change what I eat.  I actually have trouble maintaining 180 lbs while eating 2500 calories a day.

Do yourself a favor and try it.
 
2014-01-31 02:47:35 PM

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-31 02:47:43 PM

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.



Or he could tell her the truth.
 
2014-01-31 02:49:13 PM
Because appeasing our fragile egos with fantasy tales is so much easier that exercise.
 
2014-01-31 02:49:48 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Because appeasing our fragile egos with fantasy tales is so much easier than exercise.


Corrected.
 
2014-01-31 02:49:55 PM
Yes, but to most people PLUS SIZED means sizes 10-18++++

So seeing Nani be a size 10= good. Good on Disney. We need more of that.

All of the fat-FAT people on Disney films are evil, or stupid, or both, just as the super skinny. We need less of that. More Gastons would be nice.
 
2014-01-31 02:50:34 PM
Stop with the thin-shaming you fat pigs.
 
2014-01-31 02:50:38 PM

Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough


Sometimes being a parent means having to say NO. It sucks being a fat kid. It can fark with your psyche and self-esteem for decades, not to mention putting a kid on a path to an early death. I've struggled with weight my whole life. I went from 290 in high school to 170 by the time I was 21. I let it creep back up to 290 again in the last few years, and am halfway back to 170 again, hopefully for good. Fat isn't fun.
 
2014-01-31 02:51:25 PM
As soon as you've "learned to love" the negative aspects of yourself, you've completely and utterly failed.
 
2014-01-31 02:52:16 PM

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


blogs.discovermagazine.com
 
2014-01-31 02:52:51 PM

give me doughnuts: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


Or he could tell her the truth.


Thank you. And that truth is that unlike her siblings she did not inherit the metabolism that allows her to eat whatever she wants while at the same time not ever exercising and still stay reasonably healthy. 5'8" and 195lbs at 16 is NOT okay; it's the top of a slope that leads quickly down to a miserably unhealthy adulthood. Her grandfather (my father-in-law) topped out at 450+ pounds before he talked reluctant surgeons into giving him a gastric bypass. She needs real information, not about how she looks in a mirror, but about what she's doing to her body.
 
2014-01-31 02:53:03 PM

jst3p: Archae hippy: jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.

If you look at the pictures, those three body types are (or could be) beautiful.  If you keep it down to that level it doesn't harm society one bit.

The morbidly obese, however, are a drain on themselves and society and should encouraged to get down to the "fat" size in the picture.

The problem is it gets extrapolated:

[i1347.photobucket.com image 850x566]


Ummm... no. One of you are being lied to and you are believing it.


But all of these women are overweight, could be considered borderline "obese" (Or over, sorry, Nikole) and Plus sized.

WORDS!! THEY MEAN THINGS!!!
 
2014-01-31 02:53:48 PM

Pilikia: Bonzo_1116: LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.

It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?

Mostly this. There are still serious health risks associated with being fit-fat, but mostly I agree with this.


I think some of the problem with teengirl self-image is that it's a problem to be a big person---not fat so much, but big.  The boys don't want to date a girl who is bigger/taller/maybe even stronger than them, and it farks with the heads of girls who can't help it if they're 5'10.  So they just give up and eat the ice cream.

she could take up a sport where being big helps, like basketball or rugby.  hell even long distance swimming.
 
2014-01-31 02:53:52 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

Sometimes being a parent means having to say NO. It sucks being a fat kid. It can fark with your psyche and self-esteem for decades, not to mention putting a kid on a path to an early death. I've struggled with weight my whole life. I went from 290 in high school to 170 by the time I was 21. I let it creep back up to 290 again in the last few years, and am halfway back to 170 again, hopefully for good. Fat isn't fun.


Good luck, I'm there with you. This time I'm counting belt notches instead of pounds, though. :-)
 
2014-01-31 02:54:14 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


Ditto.

I get it. we shouldn't fat shame people and they may be perfectly nice people. But this "Everyone is beautiful so that means the 300 pound fatty should be considered hot" shiat has to end.

It's not going to happen.
 
2014-01-31 02:54:34 PM

AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is

Change your chemistry yourself.  Seriously.

I know I will be vilified by this, but anyone who is obese needs to try a low-carb diet.  It sounds insane and I thought so too.  I've been on it for 2 years at the recommendation of my doctor.  What I know is that before I tried it I weighed 250 lbs, had hypoglycemia (my doctor thought I was pre-diabetic), was always hungry, couldn't sleep at night, had high cholesterol, and felt like shiat constantly.

After I adopted it, my cholesterol normalized, my blood sugar has been normal for 2 years, I'm never hungry, have tons of energy, sleep all night without a problem, my sex drive is back to what it was like when I was 18 (I'm in my 40s), and I feel generally terrific.  And I lost 70 lbs without trying.  No crazy workouts or starving myself, all I did was change what I eat.  I actually have trouble maintaining 180 lbs while eating 2500 calories a day.

Do yourself a favor and try it.


The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake
 
2014-01-31 02:55:08 PM
The dick wants what the dick wants.

Most of them don't want fatties.
 
2014-01-31 02:56:00 PM
I won't lie I sometimes watch Cruvy Girls on NUVOtv. http://www.mynuvotv.com/show/cast?name=curvygirls&season=2
/If you just pay attention to their faces you won't notice the fat
\Yes you will
 
2014-01-31 02:56:44 PM
Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.
 
2014-01-31 02:57:37 PM
Fat princess was a seriously underrated game. Anyway, someone took an issue with that game too. Can't please some people so even bother trying.
 
2014-01-31 02:58:05 PM

Bonzo_1116: Pilikia: Bonzo_1116: LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.

It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?

Mostly this. There are still serious health risks associated with being fit-fat, but mostly I agree with this.

I think some of the problem with teengirl self-image is that it's a problem to be a big person---not fat so much, but big.  The boys don't want to date a girl who is bigger/taller/maybe even stronger than them, and it farks with the heads of girls who can't help it if they're 5'10.  So they just give up and eat the ice cream.

she could take up a sport where being big helps, like basketball or rugby.  hell even long distance swimming.


This is good advice, but I think that ship has sailed. Have to grow the tree I have. She is turning into a little bit of a gym rat, though. She's wayyyy into theater, has a beautiful voice, so we had a frank discussion about how shiatty directors are about judging women by their looks. Her short-term goal is to slim down enough where she stops getting cast as the mom or the old lady on the bus. I know, it's shiatty, but it's what is currently motivating her.
 
2014-01-31 02:58:06 PM

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


You sound fat.
 
2014-01-31 02:58:57 PM

Dirty Doug: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

You sound fat.


I am, Dirty Doug, I am.
 
2014-01-31 02:59:33 PM

Pilikia: Dirty Doug: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

You sound fat.

I am, Dirty Doug, I am.


Cursed manic typing. I see that you were talking to that other guy.
 
2014-01-31 02:59:49 PM

TheBigJerk: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

----

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake


Have you ever actually truly restricted your food intake as an experiment?  like going backpacking for a few days carrying limited supplies, so you can't appease the hunger pangs, or fasting for a day or two only drinking water?

Your issue actually sounds pretty unusual.
 
2014-01-31 03:00:50 PM
Pilikia:
Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

0/10


Thanks, 'cause I was about to bite.

Anyway, this thread puts me in a weird position, since I'm usually the one criticizing the fatties and telling them to stop lying to themselves that they can't lose weight if they just stop eating so damn much, calories are calories, etc.

But I wouldn't particularly mind a cartoon character who's not rail thin, whether man or woman.  Crazy obese would be bad, but there's nothing wrong with a slightly chubby (maybe 20 pounds) hero or heroine.

What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

It's a little like the Bond girls.  Every single time we hear how THIS time it's going to be strong independent Bond girl, not like the eye candy objects before her.  But it never is, because it's not how those movies work.

I love most Disney stuff, but the Princess thing has got to stop already.
 
2014-01-31 03:00:59 PM
media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
Yeah, kids will LOVE that.
 
2014-01-31 03:02:08 PM

mama2tnt: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: proteon: Frozen was an utter turd written in five minutes but it made millions (oh the subtle differences between brain-dead sidekicks).  Good luck petitioning Disney for anything they're not already giving you.

This. I like a musical, but holy hell, this had more songs than The Sound of Music, and all of them crap!

I love to sing, but only deaf people like to be around me when I do. DISNEY: create a nonmusical movie for me, because my singing sucks!


Lilo And Stitch
The Fox and the Hound
The Black Cauldron
Sort of non musical: 101 Dalmatians

There are a few...
 
2014-01-31 03:02:24 PM

Pilikia: This is good advice, but I think that ship has sailed. Have to grow the tree I have. She is turning into a little bit of a gym rat, though. She's wayyyy into theater, has a beautiful voice, so we had a frank discussion about how shiatty directors are about judging women by their looks. Her short-term goal is to slim down enough where she stops getting cast as the mom or the old lady on the bus. I know, it's shiatty, but it's what is currently motivating her.


As long as it's not rooted in self-loathing, any motivation is good. Good luck to you and to her.

/unfortunately as a theater kid she's destined to be nuts at any size :)
//I kid
 
2014-01-31 03:02:34 PM

Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?


No, because she was fat and unattractive. That would defeat the purpose. Missy Thang obviously wants big, beautiful princesses.
 
2014-01-31 03:03:29 PM

Five Tails of Fury: Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.


Why stop there? I say we demand complete and utter realism in our fantasy movies. No more magic, no more strange creatures, no more lands that don't actually exist.

The next Disney Princess movie should be about Jennifer Christianson, a borderline obese 14 year old who faces a number of "wacky" trials and tribulations while attempting to buy school supplies at the local mall in Topeka, Kansas.

If that doesn't scream "Blockbuster!", I don't know what does!
 
2014-01-31 03:03:29 PM
If, as a parent, you think the worst message that Disney Princesses send is their body image expectations then you are not as good a parent as you imagine yourself.

Maybe you should be more concerned with the helpless little woman waiting in her slumber/castle/cage for the big brave handsome man to save her and then marrying him out of gratitude and fear.

just saying.
 
2014-01-31 03:05:21 PM

Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.


I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.
 
2014-01-31 03:07:03 PM

Far Cough: Pilikia:
Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

0/10

Thanks, 'cause I was about to bite.

Anyway, this thread puts me in a weird position, since I'm usually the one criticizing the fatties and telling them to stop lying to themselves that they can't lose weight if they just stop eating so damn much, calories are calories, etc.

But I wouldn't particularly mind a cartoon character who's not rail thin, whether man or woman.  Crazy obese would be bad, but there's nothing wrong with a slightly chubby (maybe 20 pounds) hero or heroine.

What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

It's a little like the Bond girls.  Every single time we hear how THIS time it's going to be strong independent Bond girl, not like the eye candy objects before her.  But it never is, because it's not how those movies work.

I love most Disney stuff, but the Princess thing has got to stop already.


Somebody here mentioned Nani from Lilo and Stitch. I could definitely see a move in her direction - strong, independent, muscular AND curvy. But what I DON'T need as the parent of a fat kid is a collective cultural "giving up" on the issue of overall physical health and fitness.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-31 03:07:48 PM

Nogale: Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?

No, because she was fat and unattractive. That would defeat the purpose. Missy Thang obviously wants big, beautiful princesses.


You mean this lovely lady?img.fark.net

Cameron Diaz? Before she was a stick?
 
2014-01-31 03:07:49 PM

TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake


That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.
 
2014-01-31 03:10:36 PM

AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.


Keto here, too.
 
2014-01-31 03:11:34 PM

TheBigJerk: I need a way to make eating salad all week not hurt. Preferably without crystal meth.


Coffee? Cigarettes?
Coffee has ALWAYS done it for me. Espresso shot with a little bit of milk and maybe some ice (more liquid helps it last longer rather than just throw it back and put it down.) Always would get me through to the next meal, especially when my husband and I did South Beach. I will say, South Beach really worked for us (me, for sure). I know not all diets work for everyone but the eating a little bit every few hours really made it all ok. Also, coffee works well (now) during my morning rush because I either don't have time to eat every few hours or sometimes I don't even realize that 6.45am has suddenly become 11.15am (no hunger pains).
 
2014-01-31 03:11:34 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

...Did I say rude? People can be goddamn cruel. Especially some of their housewives. Okay, so I've got a weight problem. That's my cross to bear. I dunno...
 
2014-01-31 03:14:13 PM

HortusMatris: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

[blogs.discovermagazine.com image 250x179]


BHAHAHAA
 
2014-01-31 03:15:01 PM

CarnySaur: baconbeard: We're through the looking-glass here, people.

Or funhouse mirror.


...I didn't mean to...
 
2014-01-31 03:15:05 PM

baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.


I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.
 
2014-01-31 03:17:49 PM
i.imgur.com

Does the Prince get to be "realistic", too?
 
2014-01-31 03:18:18 PM
Fat people already have their own game, what more do they want?
static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-31 03:18:52 PM

Five Tails of Fury: Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.


Yeah, no. Realistic body shapes look like shiat in animation. Even if you can make them detailed enough to not look like shiat, you end up with uncanny valley. If you want realism, watch something filmed, not animated.
 
2014-01-31 03:19:07 PM

TheBigJerk: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is

Change your chemistry yourself.  Seriously.

I know I will be vilified by this, but anyone who is obese needs to try a low-carb diet.  It sounds insane and I thought so too.  I've been on it for 2 years at the recommendation of my doctor.  What I know is that before I tried it I weighed 250 lbs, had hypoglycemia (my doctor thought I was pre-diabetic), was always hungry, couldn't sleep at night, had high cholesterol, and felt like shiat constantly.

After I adopted it, my cholesterol normalized, my blood sugar has been normal for 2 years, I'm never hungry, have tons of energy, sleep all night without a problem, my sex drive is back to what it was like when I was 18 (I'm in my 40s), and I feel generally terrific.  And I lost 70 lbs without trying.  No crazy workouts or starving myself, all I did was change what I eat.  I actually have trouble maintaining 180 lbs while eating 2500 calories a day.

Do yourself a favor and try it.

The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake


Chicken and fish.
 
2014-01-31 03:19:23 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 600x600]

Does the Prince get to be "realistic", too?


I like this. Both ways, nice.
 
2014-01-31 03:20:28 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Keto here, too


Yeah.  Say "Keto" around here though and you may as well admit have dragged a handicapped child's kitten 10 miles behind your 4MPG SUV before driving through an abortion clinic.

The conversation never goes well
 
2014-01-31 03:20:56 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


Thread over.  Being fat isn't noble.  It's an outward sign you don't give a shiat*.


*95% of the time.  Yes, there are the medically-stressed that may not have much say in the issue.
 
2014-01-31 03:21:27 PM
If you're 13 years old and consider Disney princesses as role models you got more problems than being fat.

But still put the dingle-hopper down Fatty.
 
2014-01-31 03:23:18 PM

Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.

I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.


Right, I forgot, this is Fark. If you let your 7 year old girl dream of being a "traditional" princess, you've condemned her to a life of low self-esteem, bad relationships, and utter and complete subservience to men.
 
2014-01-31 03:23:35 PM
comps.fotosearch.com
 
2014-01-31 03:25:29 PM

TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time. Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.

 
Hey Jerk, I'm really curious about your condition.  How long have you waited for the hunger pangs to go away, before giving in and shoving in something?  For me they seem to go away in about 20 minutes or 1/2 an hour if I just hold out.  You're describing an awful lot of strong "pain" though, which I don't have.  I find the occasional pang a sign that I might actually be burning more than I take in for a change.  This generally works well as a weight loss method when I'm overweight -- Just Eat Less -- and I continue to love and eat my carbohydrates, just fewer of them.

As someone else said, your report of real "pain" seems unusual.
 
2014-01-31 03:26:23 PM

Friend_Computer: If you're 13 years old and consider Disney princesses as role models you got more problems than being fat.

But still put the dingle-hopper down Fatty.


Baaaaaahahahahaha!
 
2014-01-31 03:30:18 PM
Can I just point out that if you're a high-school junior and you still watch Disney Princess films, you may have issues that are completely unrelated to your size? Or is this a chicken-and-egg thing, where your size causes you to have less social prospects so you sit at home watching Disney movies, but you sit at home watching Disney movies which leads you to have few social prospects which leads you to compulsively overeat to deal with not having a life?

In all seriousness, though, it's an animated cartoon that has a specific style that is completely unrelated to actual body issues. It's like having a problem with mickey mouse because real mice aren't bipedal. If you want to have a conversation about negative values in Disney movies, let's focus more on the unrealistic standards of love and relationships, combined with a low-grade undercurrent of misogyny that Disney promotes (you NEED a handsome prince to validate you, and that means you'll find your ONE TRUE LOVE and live happily ever after!).

Whats more, Disney also creates absolutely unrealistic expectations of what a man should look and act like. I mean, for farks sake, the only man alive with a chin broader than most Disney prince characters is Jay Leno. The funny thing is, I don't see men complaining about it. It's a stylized archetype, and whether you want to admit it or not, and whether you think it's right or not, the current trend for archetypal beauty is a slim woman. I don't think this is because pop culture pushes this on us, but rather because we push it on pop culture. I mean, Barbie, a leading pop culture icon, went to "more realistic proportions", and that had zero effect on the zeitgeist. None. No one cared. Why? Because most people rightfully understand that not everyone is going to be stick thin and that's a-ok and it's also ok to have idealized archetypes that don't look like anyone actually could in reality. Also because most of the women crusading for fat-acceptance and the use of plus-size everything aren't just unconventionally attractive or curvy or full-figured: they're outright obese, and most people don't find that terribly attractive. Sorry, ladies, but that's the harsh truth, and it's exactly the same in reverse. People are not attracted to men with huge beer guts that hang over their belt buckles either.

So I guess my point is, stop trying to force a top-down cultural change just because you have self-esteem issues. That isn't how these things happen. Culture starts at the bottom and is co-opted once it's established (trust me, I do marketing for a living. It's damn near impossible to force these kinds of things.) If you want to be accepted, you have to put in the hard work of making being fat cool, at which point Disney will make a fat princess. The question is, do we really want to make obesity (not "plus-size", which is a weasel marketin term to make you feel better about being fat, and not "curvy", which used to mean a woman with a few extra pounds and not someone who is 50+ pounds overweight) cool?

/Also, Lilo was chubby, though technically she's not a princess
 
2014-01-31 03:30:38 PM
Yet another thread where Farkers magically do not follow national obesity percentages and everyone is thin and trim.
Internet anonymity strikes again.
 
2014-01-31 03:32:19 PM

baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.

I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.

Right, I forgot, this is Fark. If you let your 7 year old girl dream of being a "traditional" princess, you've condemned her to a life of low self-esteem, bad relationships, and utter and complete subservience to men.


Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.
 
2014-01-31 03:32:27 PM
Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

i.dailymail.co.uk

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?
 
2014-01-31 03:35:55 PM
I'm old, overweight, bald and male.  I am OUTRAGED that Disney princesses don't reflect my demographic.
 
2014-01-31 03:36:19 PM

tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?


If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?
 
2014-01-31 03:37:01 PM
Why not have a princess be magicked with the overweight curse? (Not her fault)
Have all the princes once lining up to marry her, reject her for her appearance?(We still feel empathy for the princess)
Then she goes on an adventure to help herself find a way to end the curse.
She goes to the villain's castle, and is given friendly face, forced to sleep on a fluffy mattress.
She overhears a conversation, and finds out they don't believe her story because no princess could be her size. So if she can't feel the tiny lump in the mattresses, she'll get beheaded for pretending to be royalty.

She outwits them. In the meantime during her stay, she participates in bunches of activities that get her out of the castle, and she ends up losing parts of her curse (which turns out to be given to her to show her what it means to be royalty: independent, level-headed-ness, wisdom, strength of will, etc.)

She never gets back to the same level that she was before the curse, but she isn't ashamed of her curse anymore, because she finds out that she is much more than just a pretty face.

And she becomes Queen, without a prince in the picture.
Or throw a prince in there, but have him be super skinny, and super lazy at first, but they like each other and help motivate the other reach their goals.

The Princess and the Pea. Done.
 
2014-01-31 03:38:44 PM
"I made this petition because I'm a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positive plus-size character in the media."

If you're already overweight as a teenager, even if it's just a little "chubby", unless you do something to change that, by the time you hit your 40s you're going to be obese, possibly even morbidly obese. I'm not saying we should make fun or ridicule overweight people, but as a society we're not doing anyone any favors by accepting it as normal and OK.

I was at my desired weight my whole life, then I retired from the military and due to poor eating habits and laziness I packed on 50 lbs in the 10 years since. I had a beachball sized tub of fat where my stomach used to be. Now I've lost about half of that and I plan to lose the rest, but there was nothing sexy or beautiful about it and society shouldn't accept me or anyone else who abuses their health like that.

The only reason overweight people want everyone else to accept them for who they are is because it's a hell of a lot easier than changing their lifestyle and bettering themselves.
 
2014-01-31 03:41:29 PM

ReapTheChaos: "I made this petition because I'm a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positive plus-size character in the media."

If you're already overweight as a teenager, even if it's just a little "chubby", unless you do something to change that, by the time you hit your 40s you're going to be obese, possibly even morbidly obese. I'm not saying we should make fun or ridicule overweight people, but as a society we're not doing anyone any favors by accepting it as normal and OK.

I was at my desired weight my whole life, then I retired from the military and due to poor eating habits and laziness I packed on 50 lbs in the 10 years since. I had a beachball sized tub of fat where my stomach used to be. Now I've lost about half of that and I plan to lose the rest, but there was nothing sexy or beautiful about it and society shouldn't accept me or anyone else who abuses their health like that.

The only reason overweight people want everyone else to accept them for who they are is because it's a hell of a lot easier than changing their lifestyle and bettering themselves.


Well said.
 
2014-01-31 03:41:32 PM
I'm a lot more concerned that Disney princesses have eyes so freakishly large that if you imagined them being anatomically correct orbs, they wouldn't leave room in their skulls for brains.
 
2014-01-31 03:42:01 PM

tlars699: Why not have a princess be magicked with the overweight curse? (Not her fault)
Have all the princes once lining up to marry her, reject her for her appearance?(We still feel empathy for the princess)
Then she goes on an adventure treadmillto help herself find a way to end the curse.
She goes to the villain's castle, and is given friendly face, forced to sleep on a fluffy mattress.
She overhears a conversation, and finds out they don't believe her story because no princess could be her size. So if she can't feel the tiny lump in the mattresses, she'll get beheaded for pretending to be royalty.

She outwits them. In the meantime during her stay, she participates in bunches of activities that get her out of the castle, and she ends up losing parts of her curse (which turns out to be given to her to show her what it means to be royalty: independent, level-headed-ness, wisdom, strength of will, etc.)

She never gets back to the same level that she was before the curse, but she isn't ashamed of her curse anymore, because she finds out that she is much more than just a pretty face.

And she becomes Queen, without a prince in the picture.
Or throw a prince in there, but have him be super skinny, and super lazy at first, but they like each other and help motivate the other reach their goals.

The Princess and the Pea. Done.

 
2014-01-31 03:42:51 PM
THIS:
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THIS:
fc01.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-31 03:43:30 PM

genepool lifeboat:


I miss that site, and think of it often.
 
2014-01-31 03:43:31 PM

jgilb: Yet another thread where Farkers magically do not follow national obesity percentages and everyone is thin and trim.
Internet anonymity strikes again.



FARK you.

/6'2" and 210.
//Not a model, not obese-but could be in better shape.
///FAT fat is gross--get over it.
 
2014-01-31 03:43:46 PM

jst3p: tlars699: Why not have a princess be magicked with the overweight curse? (Not her fault)
Have all the princes once lining up to marry her, reject her for her appearance?(We still feel empathy for the princess)
Then she goes on an adventure treadmillto help herself find a way to end the curse.
She goes to the villain's castle, and is given friendly face, forced to sleep on a fluffy mattress.
She overhears a conversation, and finds out they don't believe her story because no princess could be her size. So if she can't feel the tiny lump in the mattresses, she'll get beheaded for pretending to be royalty.

She outwits them. In the meantime during her stay, she participates in bunches of activities that get her out of the castle, and she ends up losing parts of her curse (which turns out to be given to her to show her what it means to be royalty: independent, level-headed-ness, wisdom, strength of will, etc.)

She never gets back to the same level that she was before the curse, but she isn't ashamed of her curse anymore, because she finds out that she is much more than just a pretty face.

And she becomes Queen, without a prince in the picture.
Or throw a prince in there, but have him be super skinny, and super lazy at first, but they like each other and help motivate the other reach their goals.

The Princess and the Pea. Done.


You didn't read my entire post. :(
It would have made you happy, because yes, physical activity is in there.
But if the movie just stopped there, like you did, it couldn't be the Princess and the Pea.
:P
 
2014-01-31 03:45:10 PM

This text is now purple: baconbeard: Everyone knows that in Disney cartoons, fat chicks are the villains, not the princesses:

[static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 527x480]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x225]

[schmoesknow.com image 850x503]

it's not a rule.


slurmed.com
Here, a woman is fat and cheery and good until she sheds her costume and becomes evil and skinny.
 
2014-01-31 03:45:20 PM

Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.


My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?
 
2014-01-31 03:45:22 PM

Two16: THIS:
[media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 590x804]



THIS:
[fc01.deviantart.net image 600x450]


You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?
 
2014-01-31 03:46:04 PM
Before we have Princess Tubbington take the screen, how about we first....

1) Have some positive adult male role models in Disney films?

2) Have some positive male characters who are scrawny geeks?


There's already a positive fat female character... it's the freakin' Fairy Godmother.

Frankly, I'm so glad that we're not going to have to deal with the princesses in my household.  My position is that we live in a democracy, so why indulge the whole princess thing?  If we're going to hold up an idealized view of the past, why not encourage kids to be more like Spartans?

www.ridelust.com
 
2014-01-31 03:46:51 PM
How about they make the "handsome' Prince somewhat less than handsome? Short, wears glasses, has a bad complexion etc.
 
2014-01-31 03:48:33 PM

tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: Why not have a princess be magicked with the overweight curse? (Not her fault)
Have all the princes once lining up to marry her, reject her for her appearance?(We still feel empathy for the princess)
Then she goes on an adventure treadmillto help herself find a way to end the curse.
She goes to the villain's castle, and is given friendly face, forced to sleep on a fluffy mattress.
She overhears a conversation, and finds out they don't believe her story because no princess could be her size. So if she can't feel the tiny lump in the mattresses, she'll get beheaded for pretending to be royalty.

She outwits them. In the meantime during her stay, she participates in bunches of activities that get her out of the castle, and she ends up losing parts of her curse (which turns out to be given to her to show her what it means to be royalty: independent, level-headed-ness, wisdom, strength of will, etc.)

She never gets back to the same level that she was before the curse, but she isn't ashamed of her curse anymore, because she finds out that she is much more than just a pretty face.

And she becomes Queen, without a prince in the picture.
Or throw a prince in there, but have him be super skinny, and super lazy at first, but they like each other and help motivate the other reach their goals.

The Princess and the Pea. Done.

You didn't read my entire post. :(
It would have made you happy, because yes, physical activity is in there.
But if the movie just stopped there, like you did, it couldn't be the Princess and the Pea.
:P


I did read it, I just went for the quick joke. Also I was reminded of this:

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-31 03:49:59 PM

ReapTheChaos: "I made this petition because I'm a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positive plus-size character in the media."

If you're already overweight as a teenager, even if it's just a little "chubby", unless you do something to change that, by the time you hit your 40s you're going to be obese, possibly even morbidly obese. I'm not saying we should make fun or ridicule overweight people, but as a society we're not doing anyone any favors by accepting it as normal and OK.

I was at my desired weight my whole life, then I retired from the military and due to poor eating habits and laziness I packed on 50 lbs in the 10 years since. I had a beachball sized tub of fat where my stomach used to be. Now I've lost about half of that and I plan to lose the rest, but there was nothing sexy or beautiful about it and society shouldn't accept me or anyone else who abuses their health like that.

The only reason overweight people want everyone else to accept them for who they are is because it's a hell of a lot easier than changing their lifestyle and bettering themselves.


Well, she won't necessarily get fatter as she gets older, but it's likely, PARTICULARLY if she's already comfortable calling herself Plus Size (instead of overweight or fat) and is doing the petition thing and so on.

What I always find interesting is how many fat people think they're really okay, and "of course I'm not MORBIDLY obese", as if that's some crazy extreme thing.  Nope, if you're 100 pounds over your ideal weight (textbook, not in your head or your high school weight) then you are morbidly obese, by farking definition.  Do something about it.

From a quick check, morbid obesity has climbed over 70% in the use in the last 15 years, to about 7% of the US population.  Factoring in farkstistics, at least 1 in 10 people reading this are morbidly obese right now.

But anyway, as I said, a few chunkier "princesses" in movies wouldn't bother me nearly as much as the prevalence of princesses in movies does.
 
2014-01-31 03:50:02 PM

Far Cough: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time. Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.
 
Hey Jerk, I'm really curious about your condition.  How long have you waited for the hunger pangs to go away, before giving in and shoving in something?  For me they seem to go away in about 20 minutes or 1/2 an hour if I just hold out.  You're describing an awful lot of strong "pain" though, which I don't have.  I find the occasional pang a sign that I might actually be burning more than I take in for a change.  This generally works well as a weight loss method when I'm overweight -- Just Eat Less -- and I continue to love and eat my carbohydrates, just fewer of them.

As someone else said, your report of real "pain" seems unusual.


Just to chime in, I also have to deal with severe tummy pain in between meals. No, it's not my gallbladder...I don't have one anymore. Atkins did seem to help a bit with it, but it's kinda tiresome to have to fix a pork chop right before bed so that I stop hurting long enough to fall asleep.
 
2014-01-31 03:51:11 PM

jst3p: tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: Why not have a princess be magicked with the overweight curse? (Not her fault)
Have all the princes once lining up to marry her, reject her for her appearance?(We still feel empathy for the princess)
Then she goes on an adventure treadmillto help herself find a way to end the curse.
She goes to the villain's castle, and is given friendly face, forced to sleep on a fluffy mattress.
She overhears a conversation, and finds out they don't believe her story because no princess could be her size. So if she can't feel the tiny lump in the mattresses, she'll get beheaded for pretending to be royalty.

She outwits them. In the meantime during her stay, she participates in bunches of activities that get her out of the castle, and she ends up losing parts of her curse (which turns out to be given to her to show her what it means to be royalty: independent, level-headed-ness, wisdom, strength of will, etc.)

She never gets back to the same level that she was before the curse, but she isn't ashamed of her curse anymore, because she finds out that she is much more than just a pretty face.

And she becomes Queen, without a prince in the picture.
Or throw a prince in there, but have him be super skinny, and super lazy at first, but they like each other and help motivate the other reach their goals.

The Princess and the Pea. Done.

You didn't read my entire post. :(
It would have made you happy, because yes, physical activity is in there.
But if the movie just stopped there, like you did, it couldn't be the Princess and the Pea.
:P

I did read it, I just went for the quick joke. Also I was reminded of this:

[img.fark.net image 259x194]


What movie is this?
 
2014-01-31 03:51:58 PM

gar1013: If we're going to hold up an idealized view of the past, why not encourage kids to be more like Spartans?



The modern shortage of large open wells makes this problematic.
 
2014-01-31 03:53:04 PM

tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: Why not have a princess be magicked with the overweight curse? (Not her fault)
Have all the princes once lining up to marry her, reject her for her appearance?(We still feel empathy for the princess)
Then she goes on an adventure treadmillto help herself find a way to end the curse.
She goes to the villain's castle, and is given friendly face, forced to sleep on a fluffy mattress.
She overhears a conversation, and finds out they don't believe her story because no princess could be her size. So if she can't feel the tiny lump in the mattresses, she'll get beheaded for pretending to be royalty.

She outwits them. In the meantime during her stay, she participates in bunches of activities that get her out of the castle, and she ends up losing parts of her curse (which turns out to be given to her to show her what it means to be royalty: independent, level-headed-ness, wisdom, strength of will, etc.)

She never gets back to the same level that she was before the curse, but she isn't ashamed of her curse anymore, because she finds out that she is much more than just a pretty face.

And she becomes Queen, without a prince in the picture.
Or throw a prince in there, but have him be super skinny, and super lazy at first, but they like each other and help motivate the other reach their goals.

The Princess and the Pea. Done.

You didn't read my entire post. :(
It would have made you happy, because yes, physical activity is in there.
But if the movie just stopped there, like you did, it couldn't be the Princess and the Pea.
:P

I did read it, I just went for the quick joke. Also I was reminded of this:

[img.fark.net image 259x194]

What movie is this?


Ruthless People. Only slightly related to your post but it is a classic. See it if you get the chance.
 
2014-01-31 03:53:15 PM
It's Bush's fault.
 
2014-01-31 03:53:26 PM
After reading the many Fark responses I'm impressed that so many actually agree with each other.

I'm from an older generation. Cell phones are still a bit of a mystery to me. I grew up riding my bike everywhere -- a single speed, fat tire equipped basic bike with a generator powered headlamp that actually wasn't worth the effort it took to make it work. When my family went shopping, we parked the car and walked from store to store. Everyone did. I still recall the sidewalks in town being crowded after 6 pm, something which no longer happens.

I recall the food in school being basic, plentiful, tasty and healthy. The majority of it made right on the grounds by 'Cafeteria Ladies' who were excellent cooks. There were no snack or soda machines. Physical Education was mandatory.

The majority of us kids were not allowed to sit glued to the TV all day. Our folks kicked us out of the house to go and play -- or, if we whined about it, then we could help clean the house. Boys mowed the lawns with motorized push mowers. (A chore I still despise to this day, loathing the scent of fresh cut grass.)

A large amount of us rode bikes to school. The bike racks were always packed. Many of us walked several blocks to centralized bus stops morning and evening, with our folks only showing up to get us if it was rainy or freezing. Some of us chained bikes to telephone poles at the stop.

There were two hamburger joints in town. Only one was a sit in. Their menus were limited. There were several full service restaurants and until some time in the 60's, no pizza places or sub shops.

For fun we went to the beach. We swam, beach combed, played and wore ourselves out all day. It was considered healthy. Elementary schools had playgrounds which kids played on even when school was closed. Kids played baseball, football, volleyball, made up games that involved a lot of running, climbed trees, built forts, fished, hiked and picnicked. The majority of their meals were home made.

The consumption of sweets was restricted by parents. Most meals consisted of at least two different vegetables. Parents insisted the kids eat their veggies. Snacks tended to be fruits. Baked goods were usually home made also.

Kids had chores to do in and around the home. Boys worked in the yard. Girls helped Mom sweep, vacuum, hang out the wash and dust. Many parents taught their kids to cook.

Do you see a theme running through this rambling of my memories?

We were much more physically active and our choices of crappy foods limited.

We had fat kids. Nowhere as many as today. Most had a 'condition', some were fat because their folks did things like allow them to eat a lot of sweet stuff. (Kool-Aid the marvelous drink of the times and sooo tasty, was essentially flavored sugar water and many added more than the suggested amount of sugar.)

Scouts, both Boys and Girls, were popular and physically active. We had chunky kids in Scouts, but they kept up with everyone else.

The first time I saw a kid, shirtless, not even in his teens, riding a bike in public with a beer gut hanging down was in the 70's. Within the next couple of years, I started seeing a whole lot more of them. When Children's Rights popped up in the 80's, even more fat kids appeared because the parents were reluctant to hurt their feelings by making them listen.

Those kids grew up to be Fat Parents, who then spawned more Fat Kids, who now had Rights.

The amount of average physical activity has been reduced over the years by close to 50% due to technology. Assorted dangers popped up which encourage parents to not let their kids wander off alone. Some schools no longer require P.E. Cablevision now provides something like 500 channels.

I grew up with 4.

Lawsuits prevent a lot of entertaining physical activity. (Local liability issues did not allow a skateboard park to be built in town for the kids.) We had public pools, where due to liability, they removed the diving boards. Eventually, all were just closed.

So, if you're fat and don't like it, try moving more and eating wiser. Fast foods don't give a shiat about your health. Their interest is in the bottom dollar. So long as they're not outright poisoning you, they can't be closed down. Experts design foods to appeal to your taste, to make you want more.

Now, in my town, we have more pizza places than I can count, sub shops, delicatessens, Mac Donald's in a couple of places, a couple of Burger Kings, several KFC's, Steak 'n Shake, several other burger joints and BBQ places all over. Grocery stores have whole aisles packed with crunchy snacks. More aisles packed with frozen treats. Scores of Heat and Eat frozen meals often containing far more fats and calories than similar meals made by Mom.

The schools have vending machines in them that would never have been allowed when I was a kid and the majority of the cafeteria meals are outsourced.

I no longer see the great mass of kids riding bikes like they used to. I find more Driving motorcycles and ATV's.

So, if you feel bad about being fat, encouraging everyone else to be fat is not a good idea. Change your habits. Remember, the vast food industry is counting on your consumption of not real healthy stuff, so much so that they invest millions each year in specialists whose entire purpose is to get food to taste so good, you can't resist it. (Look at the assortment of Frito's products.) They also study textures, to find out which food is more 'mouth friendly'.

To keep things legal, the majority of fast and snack food companies will assure you that their intentions are Not for you to consume more of their product than as a casual snack. Yet they push the stuff through advertising so you'll buy more.

50 years ago, folks were a lot leaner. They expended more energy in daily living. Their food choices were limited. They may have consumed more bad fats, but that came from their parents who worked even harder and who could burn off the cholesterol. Like farmers, who arose before dawn, wolfed down a breakfast that would make a cardiologist run screaming in terror, then went out and worked until dusk at hard labor. They burned off the bad fats before they could do harm, using them as energy.

A certain percentage of the population will be fat. That's nature. However, we've gone way beyond the averages in the past 30 years, yet it is controllable, but there's always, it seems, a reason not to do so.

Now, sit back on your overstuffed couch to watch your huge, flat screen TV with 500 channels, snuggle up with a big bag of Cheeto's, a liter of soda, a can of tasty dip, your cell and remote right by your side, maybe your tablet, and watch the next 6 hours of programming. Your Hungry Man's Big Meal, containing enough calories for two lumberjacks, can be popped into the microwave and done in minutes. Either that, or they'll deliver a piping hot, cheese laden supreme pizza right to your door.

Enough calories there to carry Survivorman on a wilderness trek for a week.
 
2014-01-31 03:53:49 PM

tlars699: You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?


I was going to post something similar, but they aren't actually the same size. Look at proportions of the upper arms to the face. The one on top is definitely less obese than the one on the bottom.
 
2014-01-31 03:54:22 PM

baconbeard: Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.

My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?


No, and how many times are you going to shift the same set of goal posts?  It's over, Johnny.
 
2014-01-31 03:54:41 PM

tlars699: What movie is this?



"Ruthless People"

Danny Devito, Bette Midler, Judge Reinhold, and Helen Slater.
 
2014-01-31 03:54:50 PM

Far Cough: ReapTheChaos: "I made this petition because I'm a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positive plus-size character in the media."

If you're already overweight as a teenager, even if it's just a little "chubby", unless you do something to change that, by the time you hit your 40s you're going to be obese, possibly even morbidly obese. I'm not saying we should make fun or ridicule overweight people, but as a society we're not doing anyone any favors by accepting it as normal and OK.

I was at my desired weight my whole life, then I retired from the military and due to poor eating habits and laziness I packed on 50 lbs in the 10 years since. I had a beachball sized tub of fat where my stomach used to be. Now I've lost about half of that and I plan to lose the rest, but there was nothing sexy or beautiful about it and society shouldn't accept me or anyone else who abuses their health like that.

The only reason overweight people want everyone else to accept them for who they are is because it's a hell of a lot easier than changing their lifestyle and bettering themselves.

Well, she won't necessarily get fatter as she gets older, but it's likely, PARTICULARLY if she's already comfortable calling herself Plus Size (instead of overweight or fat) and is doing the petition thing and so on.

What I always find interesting is how many fat people think they're really okay, and "of course I'm not MORBIDLY obese", as if that's some crazy extreme thing.  Nope, if you're 100 pounds over your ideal weight (textbook, not in your head or your high school weight) then you are morbidly obese, by farking definition.  Do something about it.

From a quick check, morbid obesity has climbed over 70% in the use in the last 15 years, to about 7% of the US population.  Factoring in farkstistics, at least 1 in 10 people reading this are morbidly obese right now.

But anyway, as I said, a few chunkier "princesses" in movies wo ...


I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(
 
2014-01-31 03:58:29 PM

Rik01: After reading the many Fark responses I'm impressed that so many actually agree with each other.

I'm from an older generation. Cell phones are still a bit of a mystery to me. I grew up riding my bike everywhere -- a single speed, fat tire equipped basic bike with a generator powered headlamp that actually wasn't worth the effort it took to make it work. When my family went shopping, we parked the car and walked from store to store. Everyone did. I still recall the sidewalks in town being crowded after 6 pm, something which no longer happens.

I recall the food in school being basic, plentiful, tasty and healthy. The majority of it made right on the grounds by 'Cafeteria Ladies' who were excellent cooks. There were no snack or soda machines. Physical Education was mandatory.

The majority of us kids were not allowed to sit glued to the TV all day. Our folks kicked us out of the house to go and play -- or, if we whined about it, then we could help clean the house. Boys mowed the lawns with motorized push mowers. (A chore I still despise to this day, loathing the scent of fresh cut grass.)

A large amount of us rode bikes to school. The bike racks were always packed. Many of us walked several blocks to centralized bus stops morning and evening, with our folks only showing up to get us if it was rainy or freezing. Some of us chained bikes to telephone poles at the stop.

There were two hamburger joints in town. Only one was a sit in. Their menus were limited. There were several full service restaurants and until some time in the 60's, no pizza places or sub shops.

For fun we went to the beach. We swam, beach combed, played and wore ourselves out all day. It was considered healthy. Elementary schools had playgrounds which kids played on even when school was closed. Kids played baseball, football, volleyball, made up games that involved a lot of running, climbed trees, built forts, fished, hiked and picnicked. The majority of their meals were home made.

The consumption ...


Wilford Brimley? Is that you?

I kid. I could not agree more.
 
2014-01-31 03:58:32 PM

Lusiphur: tlars699: You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?

I was going to post something similar, but they aren't actually the same size. Look at proportions of the upper arms to the face. The one on top is definitely less obese than the one on the bottom.


Less obese, maybe. Same dress size though.
Top one has an additional 3 " to her height, which makes a difference, and it doesn't help that bottom chick is pointing her head down to look demure.
 
2014-01-31 04:00:10 PM

AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.


Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)
 
2014-01-31 04:00:42 PM

Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough


So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.
 
2014-01-31 04:01:21 PM

Pilikia: Rik01: After reading the many Fark responses I'm impressed that so many actually agree with each other.

I'm from an older generation. Cell phones are still a bit of a mystery to me. I grew up riding my bike everywhere -- a single speed, fat tire equipped basic bike with a generator powered headlamp that actually wasn't worth the effort it took to make it work. When my family went shopping, we parked the car and walked from store to store. Everyone did. I still recall the sidewalks in town being crowded after 6 pm, something which no longer happens.

I recall the food in school being basic, plentiful, tasty and healthy. The majority of it made right on the grounds by 'Cafeteria Ladies' who were excellent cooks. There were no snack or soda machines. Physical Education was mandatory.

The majority of us kids were not allowed to sit glued to the TV all day. Our folks kicked us out of the house to go and play -- or, if we whined about it, then we could help clean the house. Boys mowed the lawns with motorized push mowers. (A chore I still despise to this day, loathing the scent of fresh cut grass.)

A large amount of us rode bikes to school. The bike racks were always packed. Many of us walked several blocks to centralized bus stops morning and evening, with our folks only showing up to get us if it was rainy or freezing. Some of us chained bikes to telephone poles at the stop.

There were two hamburger joints in town. Only one was a sit in. Their menus were limited. There were several full service restaurants and until some time in the 60's, no pizza places or sub shops.

For fun we went to the beach. We swam, beach combed, played and wore ourselves out all day. It was considered healthy. Elementary schools had playgrounds which kids played on even when school was closed. Kids played baseball, football, volleyball, made up games that involved a lot of running, climbed trees, built forts, fished, hiked and picnicked. The majority of their meals were home made.

The cons ...


It would be nice if you could bike everywhere in a city, and not have it take 3x as long as a car ride. I mean you can (should) do it, but 30 minutes by bike vs 10 minutes by car is still a 20 minutes difference. :\
 
2014-01-31 04:01:34 PM

Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.

My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?

No, and how many times are you going to shift the same set of goal posts?  It's over, Johnny.


Answer the goddamned question, you moran.
 
2014-01-31 04:03:08 PM

The_Hairy_Gooch: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.


THIS^^
Kids also smell hypocrisy, and much of their lives are driven by fairness.
 
2014-01-31 04:03:16 PM

tlars699: Two16: THIS:
[media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 590x804]



THIS:
[fc01.deviantart.net image 600x450]

You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?

Lusiphur: tlars699: You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?

I was going to post something similar, but they aren't actually the same size. Look at proportions of the upper arms to the face. The one on top is definitely less obese than the one on the bottom.



Huh, to me the one on top looks much larger.  Even with the girdle she's nearly as bulbous as the bottom woman; she seems to have much more to hide.  The bottom woman looks slightly healthier, truth be told.
 
2014-01-31 04:04:18 PM

baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.

My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?

No, and how many times are you going to shift the same set of goal posts?  It's over, Johnny.

Answer the goddamned question, you moran.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-31 04:04:42 PM

Bonzo_1116: It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?


Haven't our handicapped been thrown under enough buses?
 
2014-01-31 04:09:17 PM

timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)


Can't help you there, unfortunately.  Not that I see anything wrong with the vegan thing, I just don't see any way to be low-carb and vegan while maintaining your fat and protein intake.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I has some ideas.  You would have to REALLY love avocados I think.
 
2014-01-31 04:13:04 PM

gar1013: 2) Have some positive male characters who are scrawny geeks?


They did.

1.bp.blogspot.com

But by the middle of the movie, he's bulked up a little bit

26.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-31 04:16:20 PM

tlars699: Less obese, maybe. Same dress size though.
Top one has an additional 3 " to her height, which makes a difference, and it doesn't help that bottom chick is pointing her head down to look demure.


I don't know. A girdle can do a lot, but it's not magic. It won't make weight disappear, just put it in other places. To me, and this comes from having been married to a very obese woman once upon a time, there is no way to girdle that stomach away without creating odd lumps in other places. They might both wear the same size pants, but they certainly don't wear the same size dress.

Far Cough: Huh, to me the one on top looks much larger.  Even with the girdle she's nearly as bulbous as the bottom woman; she seems to have much more to hide.  The bottom woman looks slightly healthier, truth be told.


The top one has smaller arms and (from what can be seen) smaller thighs, as well as a less round face.
 
2014-01-31 04:17:18 PM

baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.
d
My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?

No, and how many times are you going to shift the same set of goal posts?  It's over, Johnny.

Answer the goddamned question, you moran.


Wow, you don't see that I answered your question in my first word?  It's only two little letters.  (Hint: look for the "No" in "No, and how many times are you going".)  You are too stupid for me to deal with, and have the honor of being the first person on my Fark ignore list; congratulations.  There was competition.
 
2014-01-31 04:19:33 PM

Rik01: Do you see a theme running through this rambling of my memories?


No
 
2014-01-31 04:20:27 PM

AngryDragon: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Can't help you there, unfortunately.  Not that I see anything wrong with the vegan thing, I just don't see any way to be low-carb and vegan while maintaining your fat and protein intake.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I has some ideas.  You would have to REALLY love avocados I think.


Vegetarian, not vegan. Vegan WAYYY too extreme for me, but good luck to them. Meat gives me chronic indigestion, so haven't had it in 20 years.

And I do love me some avocados:) Trouble is, I love bread. And couscous. And pasta.

/ Family inheritance are bowel and oesophageal issues.
// Preferred money, but what you gonna do?
 
2014-01-31 04:24:29 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: Two16: THIS:
[media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 590x804]



THIS:
[fc01.deviantart.net image 600x450]

You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?
Lusiphur: tlars699: You know these ladies are the same size, right? Just one has a classy dress/girdle combo?

I was going to post something similar, but they aren't actually the same size. Look at proportions of the upper arms to the face. The one on top is definitely less obese than the one on the bottom.


Huh, to me the one on top looks much larger.  Even with the girdle she's nearly as bulbous as the bottom woman; she seems to have much more to hide.  The bottom woman looks slightly healthier, truth be told.


Unfortunately, girdles =/= corsets. You can't make girth disappear with just a girdle.
Girdles just smooth it out, so you can't see the belly button divet through the dress.

So they are the same dress size, just that the top one is more controlled and classy.
The bottom one may look healthier because she is actually exposed, and you can tell she's not too cottage cheesy, nor does her tummy flab become a full apron. Her breasts are also fairly round and pert for being so large, whereas lady in dress doesn't have any cleavage (Because classy).

She's also in workout clothes... so, there's that to disrupt your perception. :\

/Speaking as a lady who could look like either in the photos, in photos.
 
2014-01-31 04:26:07 PM

Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.
d
My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?

No, and how many times are you going to shift the same set of goal posts?  It's over, Johnny.

Answer the goddamned question, you moran.

Wow, you don't see that I answered your question in my first word?  It's only two little letters.  (Hint: look for the "No" in "No, and how many times are you going".)  You are too stupid for me to deal with, and have the honor of being the first person on my Fark ignore list; congratulations.  There was competition.


Wow.
 
2014-01-31 04:26:17 PM

Two16: baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.

My six year old son dreams of being a pony. Is that poisonous as well?

No, and how many times are you going to shift the same set of goal posts?  It's over, Johnny.

Answer the goddamned question, you moran.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 422x237]


You Two?  You figured out how to post an image but can't find the word "no" at the beginning of a sentence?  What's wrong with you?
 
2014-01-31 04:26:52 PM

Rik01: After reading the many Fark responses I'm impressed that so many actually agree with each other.


Fabulous post.
 
2014-01-31 04:30:26 PM

tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(


Really, tlars?  It doesn't have to be a drastic formal diet of any kind.  Just cut down.  Reduce your intake just a little bit over time.    Skipping entire meals and/or days is also underrated in my opinion.  For me the only hard part is later at night.

Anyhow, good luck.
 
2014-01-31 04:30:41 PM
Jesus Christ, did you guys see the nose on that black girl?
 
2014-01-31 04:33:35 PM

timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)


Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.
 
2014-01-31 04:34:38 PM

meat0918: gar1013: 2) Have some positive male characters who are scrawny geeks?

They did.



But by the middle of the movie, he's bulked up a little bit


Obviously using dat dere Celltech or some other performance enhancing drugs.
 
2014-01-31 04:34:41 PM

Lusiphur: tlars699: Less obese, maybe. Same dress size though.
Top one has an additional 3 " to her height, which makes a difference, and it doesn't help that bottom chick is pointing her head down to look demure.

I don't know. A girdle can do a lot, but it's not magic.

True It won't make weight disappear, just put it in other places. To me, and this comes from having been married to a very obese woman once upon a time, there is no way to girdle that stomach away without creating odd lumps in other places.Only if you buy cheap or ill fitting one size fits all girdles. They might both wear the same size pants, but they certainly don't wear the same size dress.Possible, But unlikely. Pants are waist and hip measurements, and dress adds bust. This dress needs to account for pants size as it does not have a loose flowy skirt. It also seems to be tailored, so the top one may need -1" ease on the bust measurement, but since she has good underwear/posture it's hard to tell.

Far Cough: Huh, to me the one on top looks much larger.  Even with the girdle she's nearly as bulbous as the bottom woman; she seems to have much more to hide.  The bottom woman looks slightly healthier, truth be told.

The top one has smaller arms-No, she doesn't. She is not pinning them at her sides making the excess bulge out like bottom one. She is also angling them down so  you can't see if she has "wings". and (from what can be seen) smaller thighs, No. You admit this in pants size. they have the same measurement in this area, as well as her feet are not in the same position.One is cocked up, which brings her knees closer together.as well as a less round face.True, but some very thin people can have double chins, due to weak bone structure in the jaw/chin area. I feel that the bottom chick may have the misfortune of being one of these people, even if she was thin.
 
2014-01-31 04:37:48 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(

Really, tlars?  It doesn't have to be a drastic formal diet of any kind.  Just cut down.  Reduce your intake just a little bit over time.    Skipping entire meals and/or days is also underrated in my opinion.  For me the only hard part is later at night.

Anyhow, good luck.


Currently pregnant, so currently cutting down is not looked well upon, as I may lack nutrients for teh Babby.

What I should do is cut off the gym membership, join the Y and go swimming or just walking everyday- I do live in WI so there's that.
Wii Yoga makes me feel awesome. I should do more of that. Finding a when to do it would be nice. :(
 
2014-01-31 04:39:05 PM

Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.


A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*
 
2014-01-31 04:40:56 PM

tlars699: Far Cough: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(

Really, tlars?  It doesn't have to be a drastic formal diet of any kind.  Just cut down.  Reduce your intake just a little bit over time.    Skipping entire meals and/or days is also underrated in my opinion.  For me the only hard part is later at night.

Anyhow, good luck.

Currently pregnant, so currently cutting down is not looked well upon, as I may lack nutrients for teh Babby.

What I should do is cut off the gym membership, join the Y and go swimming or just walking everyday- I do live in WI so there's that.
Wii Yoga makes me feel awesome. I should do more of that. Finding a when to do it would be nice. :(


Sorry, "Cutting Down" is what I meant.
I do eat fairly healthily- I used to be very bad about this with my ex, due to self esteem issues and laziness in preparing food, and getting no help.

And of course caffiene is my vice. SODA!! Y U Taste so good?!?!


/I know I know, no excuses. XP
 
2014-01-31 04:42:38 PM

fruitloop: [i171.photobucket.com image 508x298]

Does Nani count?


Uh, dafuq? Nani and Lilo are actually relatively normally-proportioned. As was pointed out in TFA, Anna (recent Disney princess)'s eyeballs were bigger than her wrists. Try and imagine a human being with that for a second. Yeah. What we think of as 'thin' in cartoon land is more like 'grotesquely weird-shaped'.
 
2014-01-31 04:43:52 PM
On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.
 
2014-01-31 04:44:53 PM

timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*


I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

That said, if it happens to improve your own life, please, go for it.
 
2014-01-31 04:48:43 PM
If you don't want to have a double chin, try the following:

Stand up straight, and pretend you have an under-bite like a bulldog.

Turn your head/face so it is facing up, with the under-bite. You should feel a stretch in your front neck area all the way down to your clavicle.

Now flex your jaw further forward, and let it settle back to regular under-bite. 5-10 repetitions.

Relax your head to face forward. Twice a day will give you noticeable differences.

In our high-school, you could tell if a fat girl was in choir- she wouldn't have a prominent double chin due to this stretch.
 
2014-01-31 04:50:08 PM

thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.


YAY, YOU!
What's your end game?
 
2014-01-31 04:53:01 PM

tlars699: If you don't want to have a double chin, try the following:

Stand up straight, and pretend you have an under-bite like a bulldog.

Turn your head/face so it is facing up, with the under-bite. You should feel a stretch in your front neck area all the way down to your clavicle.

Now flex your jaw further forward, and let it settle back to regular under-bite. 5-10 repetitions.

Relax your head to face forward. Twice a day will give you noticeable differences.

In our high-school, you could tell if a fat girl was in choir- she wouldn't have a prominent double chin due to this stretch.


Thanks.  Trying this now for my proto geezer neck.  :)
 
2014-01-31 04:55:01 PM

Far Cough: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

That said, i ...


A very valid point is made here about weight and energy levels. I am definitely more sluggish since gaining weight. Of course, medication is drastic and has been for a while out of necessity (opiates, unfortunately, just what stupid body responded to in blind trials at pain clinic). Also, the inability to do much leads to body conversely becoming more sluggish, and energy levels plummeting - a vicious cycle I am kind of stuck with.

I just really want to be as healthy as possible within these limitations, and do what little I can.

/ miss yoga. and bike riding.
// no idea how much I miss long walks. letterbox and back is considered epic triumph most days...
 
2014-01-31 04:55:16 PM
Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.
 
2014-01-31 04:56:46 PM

thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.


That's fantastic!

I grew up in the 70's, a time when every class had a single "fat kid". Well, I was that fat kid. For most of my life I thought that being obese was "genetic" and that it was simply my lot in life because "some bodies are different". I had no significant health issues in my life... Until I hit my 40's. Well, predictably, my blood pressure skyrocketed, and I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome. I didn't think too much about it (after all, there was "nothing I could do about it"), until last November, when I went blind in one eye due to high-blood pressure/obesity (my sight is slowly starting to return, thankfully). Suddenly, I was much more motivated to lose weight, and have lost 25 pounds since December 01. What surprised me the most was how (relatively) easy it was to lose, in spite of my "bad genetics".
 
2014-01-31 04:58:27 PM
This count as a Princess?

www.qhatlas.com.au
 
2014-01-31 05:01:04 PM

tlars699: thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.

YAY, YOU!
What's your end game?


Thanks. I'm 5'10. I'm aiming for around 85kg (around 185 lbs). I've only just started some strength training in addition to the cardio I do, so hopefully I'll have a good physique at the end of the process. If I'm brutally honest, I want to look good naked.
 
2014-01-31 05:01:55 PM

timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

T ...


Have you spoken with a yoga instructor/doctor/chiropractic,(preferrably all at the same time, so they could debate about each set of theories in person, and end up helping you)?

Now obviously, you can't do it all on your own, and tons of poses out of the question, but there may be something to help build strength in your core, or stretch your back, aside from water exercises?
Can you do armwork? Do you need the electric chair for head support?

I'm sorry, normally not so invasive, but I strive to help people, particularly on problem solving.
 
2014-01-31 05:03:43 PM

tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.


Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.
 
2014-01-31 05:06:16 PM

thisispete: tlars699: thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.

YAY, YOU!
What's your end game?

Thanks. I'm 5'10. I'm aiming for around 85kg (around 185 lbs). I've only just started some strength training in addition to the cardio I do, so hopefully I'll have a good physique at the end of the process. If I'm brutally honest, I want to look good naked.


You know, if you really wanted a good physique, you would do that and wear weights through the day to simulate the weight you lost (I know, not realistic when taken literally, but you can add a good 20-30 lbs just with wrist/ankle weights).

And seriously, when you get to 200, you'll probably think you look good naked, anyway. Not saying to give up then, but if you have the male V, going on, you will win over thinner guys, hands down.

Mmmm Male V...

/I'll be in my bunk, ifn you please.
 
2014-01-31 05:07:23 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.

Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.


And the same to you!!
 
2014-01-31 05:07:59 PM

AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?


Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.
 
2014-01-31 05:14:23 PM

trappedspirit: Bonzo_1116: It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?

Haven't our handicapped been thrown under enough buses?


should have moved faster to get out of the way!

www.zillamag.com
 
2014-01-31 05:20:12 PM

tiamet4: AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?

Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.


Not directed at me, but...

a. The first looks like a waif, close to rail thin model territory (but not as bad)

b. The second looks like a thin woman.

c.  The third is overweight.

No way does a or b fit into "Plus Size" territory, even in the modeling world.  One should probably define the real goals and terms in pursuing this kind of agenda.  Of course that's hard considering the freedoms allowed in various animation styles, the way cartoons are expected to look, etc.

I think any or all are welcome as heroines, but cartoons often de-emphasize the bust on younger characters, so the third body type is likely to look worse than it does in that sketch.

I meant to mention the fat boy scout in "Up".  Not sure if he qualifies as a "hero" or not (I hated his character) but he was seriously overweight.

Hmm, come to think of it, why would the fat Princess movement be more important than a fat male hero movement.  There really aren't any of those either, unless you count Steven Seagal.  I still wish they'd do away with the "princess" concept rather than hardening it into an expectation.
 
2014-01-31 05:21:01 PM

tlars699: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the ...


Not at all invasive, else I wouldn't have posted.

Car accident eight years ago - hit from behind at 60 k while I was waiting to turn actress traffic (yay airbag/seatbelt) then pushed into oncoming traffic at full speed (unfortunately seatbelt airbag now out of commission, as they are one impact numbers - and there was the problem). So it was a 3 car write-off type car crash.  Collapsed spine in four vertebrae on RH side since (two burst, two bulging to be specific, though we suspect the MRI will show another burst). Sciatic nerve gets trapped. Leg goes numb intermittently, increasingly frequently. Paralysis likely at some point, but prognosis long term could be much worse than mere paralysis. No one knows, however.

Doctors amazed that I still work, because of pain levels. One burst disc can be crippling, but 2 or 3? Hell, bulging is dreadful. And the sciatic nerve thing I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. But I *HAVE* to, or go insane with it. Large amounts of opiates do 10%, Mindfulness/CBT 80%, having purpose, 100% (yes, I know;) ).

So, if I twist, I could pass out or throw up from pain. I do gentle physio type stretches twenty minutes each day, and try for morning and night repetitions, but some days are so bad I can't leave the bed. Hydro also helps, but pool costs ridiculous, beach hard to access. However, The Bloke (tm) working on above ground pool I can get into easily. (Below ground would be nice but we have no mortgage, and we wish to keep it that way thanks).

Head support not needed, no:) But sitting in one position is insanity. Reclining is best, so titling electric with high back support lets me work most of a day. Come home and straight to lying flat or very inclined, but still...

*'herbal remedies' (as hinted by one doctor, took me a while to realise not Chinese medicine but marijuana was meant) can be very helpful, but leave me non functional, so judicious bad day use only - especially as asthmatic*.

Also, happy pregnancy! Most amazing fun thing ever is having kids:) I have five kids, and the smallest was 2yo at accident - first time he wasn't with me. Hell, at the time of the accident I had just ridden my bike with kid trailer for a year and avoided the car...stupid house moving day! Three are adults now - hell, no 1 is 27 and getting married and talking babies...where did time go????
 
2014-01-31 05:21:41 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.

Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.


Thank you so much for kind thinkings:)
 
2014-01-31 05:22:36 PM

baconbeard: thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.

That's fantastic!

I grew up in the 70's, a time when every class had a single "fat kid". Well, I was that fat kid. For most of my life I thought that being obese was "genetic" and that it was simply my lot in life because "some bodies are different". I had no significant health issues in my life... Until I hit my 40's. Well, predictably, my blood pressure skyrocketed, and I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome. I didn't think too much about it (after all, there was "nothing I could do about it"), until last November, when I went blind in one eye due to high-blood pressure/obesity (my sight is slowly starting to return, thankfully). Suddenly, I was much more motivated to lose weight, and have lost 25 pounds since December 01. What surprised me the most was how (relatively) easy it was to lose, in spite of my "bad genetics".


Well done!!! That is amazing:)
 
2014-01-31 05:24:23 PM

tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/


Hang in there. A lot of toxins are fat soluble, and when you start to burn reserves of fat that you've had for years it releases a lot of crap into your blood stream that takes a toll on your immune system.

I don't have much to offer in the way of tips. Keep taking the vitamins, wash your hands like Howie Mandel, never touch your eyes or mouth, drink plenty of water, get plenty of sleep. Just know that eventually you will be able to work out without getting sick.
 
2014-01-31 05:26:11 PM

timelady: [uncool accident story]


Damn, I hope you can find some pain relief.
  can they do some kind of spinal implant?
 
2014-01-31 05:38:06 PM

LindenFark: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

Hang in there. A lot of toxins are fat soluble, and when you start to burn reserves of fat that you've had for years it releases a lot of crap into your blood stream that takes a toll on your immune system.

I don't have much to offer in the way of tips. Keep taking the vitamins, wash your hands like Howie Mandel, never touch your eyes or mouth, drink plenty of water, get plenty of sleep. Just know that eventually you will be able to work out without getting sick.


I wasn't aware of this. O_O
And there are people out there who revile the overweight, and tell them they should just kill themselves if they can't lose it.
I'm not for super-obese "acceptance" quite(respect you as a person? Of course. But yo' ass is Huge, and if you can't run 5 miles, don't talk to me about how you're healthy.), but seriously?! Thin people railing on the fatties can go fark themselves with pointy sticks!!1!

Especially Trainer Mom. *Shudders*
 
2014-01-31 05:38:16 PM

Far Cough: tiamet4: AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?

Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.

Not directed at me, but...

a. The first looks like a waif, close to rail thin model territory (but not as bad)

b. The second looks like a thin woman.

c.  The third is overweight.

No way does a or b fit into "Plus Size" territory, even in the modeling world.  One should probably define the real goals and terms in pursuing this kind of agenda.  Of course that's hard considering the freedoms allowed in various animation styles, the way cartoons are expected to look, etc.

I think any or all are welcome as heroines, but cartoons often de-emphasize the bust on younger characters, so the third body type is likely to look worse than it does in that sketch.

I meant to mention the fat boy scout in "Up".  Not sure if he qualifies as a "hero" or not (I hated his character) but he was seriously overweight.

Hmm, come to think of it, why would the fat Princess movement be more important than a fat male hero movement.  There really aren't any of those either, unless you count Steven Seagal.  I still wish they'd do away with the "princess" concept rather than hardening it into an expectation.


I think you're agreeing with me...

I think different body types for male and female heroines would be welcome. Honestly, as with the little boy in Up, however you feel about the health of a particular body type, you don't have to be a certain shape or size to have an adventure or have admirable qualities or have your thoughts and feelings matter enough to be the focus of a story.

That would be my goal and it's what I interpret the goal of the petition to be. Not so much "hey let's make morbid obesity look good" but let's show that everyone has value.
 
2014-01-31 05:42:07 PM

Bonzo_1116: timelady: [uncool accident story]

Damn, I hope you can find some pain relief.
  can they do some kind of spinal implant?


There is some work done with titanium discs. Hell, the engineers in my Uni school do a lot with rehab and engineering assisted devices. All the surgery we have tried has either failed or made things slightly worse, which you know is a risk going in.

So, in short, nothing can be done but pain relief and keep moving what you can:) But thanks so much for thought!

/ my doctor wants me to write a book on staying positive in face of stuff like this
// who has time, studying Honours to start my PhD and lecturing...plus research! Body is broken, brain still works:)
 
2014-01-31 05:43:40 PM
timelady: OMG, lady! Take it easy.

Are they going to replace the disks at all, or is it because the nerve is trapped that they can't?


Thank you on the well wishes. I have two already, so I know that they're pretty funny, and fun to have.
I'm hoping for a red headed girl, so I can give her my Grandma's name: Barbara; but really, I'm fine with anyone that's healthy. Bonus if they're happy. :)
 
2014-01-31 05:47:22 PM

timelady: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.

Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)


Eat a lot of coconut, avocado, eggs and fish, especially small, wild-caught fish. You don't have to eat meat (I recommend it), but at least eat eggs and fish. And buy the eggs with the highest omega-3 content you can find (300+ mg per egg). Yes, they cost more, but they are still cheap and very nutritious. Otherwise, cut the carbs, especially grains and refined sugars. That includes whole grains. And yes, I do mean completely.
 
2014-01-31 05:48:32 PM

tlars699: timelady: OMG, lady! Take it easy.

Are they going to replace the disks at all, or is it because the nerve is trapped that they can't?


Thank you on the well wishes. I have two already, so I know that they're pretty funny, and fun to have.
I'm hoping for a red headed girl, so I can give her my Grandma's name: Barbara; but really, I'm fine with anyone that's healthy. Bonus if they're happy. :)


Making kids happy is surprisingly easy - love em and set boundaries - firm but fair. Hugs galore and jokes all over the place.

Smiling through the teen years..well, there is a slightly harder going;))

Three down, two to go (youngest two 10 and 12, the others are 19, 21, 27 - four girls and my bonus boy). Sadly, two little girls and three miscarriages account for the gaps - everyone asks.

You sound like you have it nailed, fingers crossed for your redhead:)

To me - no, they can't. Too much nerve/muscle/tissue/bone/cartilage/disc damage to fix (if there was something else there to be broken, sure it would be;)) ). I am the one all specialists say, when looking at my file "Myyy, aren't you INTERESTING".

Yeah, I am, but prefer it to be my personality not my damage;)))
 
2014-01-31 05:51:27 PM

jxb465: timelady: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.

Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Eat a lot of coconut, avocado, eggs and fish, especially small, wild-caught fish. You don't have to eat meat (I recommend it), but at least eat eggs and fish. And buy the eggs with the highest omega-3 conte ...


Sorry, fish is no option. We have chooks of our own, and the cost of eggs when we have chooks (well, my dad has them so that counts) is crazy:)

But the rest I intend to try. Thanks for the good advice on this, from you and everyone.

Coconut - huh, wouldn't have thought of that. Fresh or dried?

Thank the gods for living in Australia, so much yummy fruit and veg options. But a and avocado season means they a bit pricey in their season - though we recently had a 99cent special at supermarket four houses away. Did we gorge for a week...we all LOVE them, so it got vicious;))
 
2014-01-31 05:52:55 PM

Wellon Dowd: Some girl role models for plus-sized gals.

[i.imgur.com image 774x1024]


Ariel Winter has definitely filled out during her time on "Modern Family" and as the voice of Princess Sofia, I could see that character going the same way.
 
2014-01-31 05:55:24 PM

timelady: Coconut - huh, wouldn't have thought of that. Fresh or dried?


Use this to cook with:

blog.fairwaymarket.com

It has no taste or smell and has lots of benefits over other types of oil.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/25/coconut-oil-benefits_n_41642 78 .html
 
2014-01-31 05:59:44 PM

The_Hairy_Gooch: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.


You missed a couple of my posts. I'm on the wagon with her.
 
2014-01-31 06:01:32 PM

tlars699: The_Hairy_Gooch: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.

THIS^^
Kids also smell hypocrisy, and much of their lives are driven by fairness.


You also missed a couple of my posts. Your assumption is completely incorrect.
 
2014-01-31 06:11:48 PM

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2014-01-31 06:12:17 PM

Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?



No, Shrek is not Disney, it is from DreamWorks.
 
2014-01-31 06:13:14 PM

jst3p: timelady: Coconut - huh, wouldn't have thought of that. Fresh or dried?

Use this to cook with:

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It has no taste or smell and has lots of benefits over other types of oil.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/25/coconut-oil-benefits_n_41642 78 .html


thanks, oh person in green fave colours (pre this thread I had you fave'd - though this thread has also hugely added to my list)
 
2014-01-31 06:13:24 PM
/trying to save it
 
2014-01-31 06:22:19 PM

dk47: /trying to save it


let it go man, it is doomed;))
 
2014-01-31 07:16:20 PM

baconbeard: We're through the looking-glass here, people.


Waal, she won't fit through the rabbit hole.
 
2014-01-31 07:30:05 PM
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2014-01-31 07:39:01 PM
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2014-01-31 07:56:54 PM
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2014-01-31 07:59:36 PM

SpectroBoy: If, as a parent, you think the worst message that Disney Princesses send is their body image expectations then you are not as good a parent as you imagine yourself.

Maybe you should be more concerned with the helpless little woman waiting in her slumber/castle/cage for the big brave handsome man to save her and then marrying him out of gratitude and fear.

just saying.


Every third movie made for the last decade has been the story of a latter-day Queen Boudicca who lays misogynistic enemies to waste with firearms, bows or broadsword but sure, make 50 more to get that Empowerment propaganda message out there.  And make her fall in love with a schlubby guy played by Jonah Hill to make it even more realistic.
 
2014-01-31 08:22:17 PM

Wellon Dowd: There are plenty of fatties out there serving as role models for porcine pre-pubescents.


Honey BooBoo?
 
2014-01-31 08:49:58 PM
 
2014-01-31 09:04:58 PM

jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.


It's not beautiful when Daddy eats your eyes.
 
2014-01-31 09:38:37 PM
Diversity is great except when it isnt.

Big girls can be attractive.  Skinny girls can be attractive.  biatches are never attractive after 15 minutes.

This all boils down to ease in judgement.  Getting to know someone takes time and effort.  It's easier to make judgments based on appearance.  Disney is just taking advantage of that laziness.
 
2014-01-31 10:07:32 PM
Jeez, this thread makes me feel sorry for kids these days.  They're born into a world where they're completely at the mercy of whatever carb-filled processed shiatfood their parents cram in the cupboard because they're working too much to cook properly.  A world where a big-screen TV and an XBOX is a given, while things like bicycles and dogs and time in nature are luxury items that many can't afford.  Even if they have bikes, the roads are too dangerous to bike on anyway.  A world where all their peer interactions involve the internet somehow...

...so they end up fat, and the old men here mock them and say, "hey!  You should have grown up with a stay-at-home mom who could spend 4 hours a day making real food!  Leave all your friends behind and go run around in the woods like a crazy hermit!"

Baby boomers.  You damn near ruined this world.  Stop blaming the kids who have to inherit your utter failure.

Also... i'm an artist.  Trust me, it's perfectly possible to draw a curvy, sorta-chubby character and still have them look vibrant and Disney-cute and nowhere near this uncanny valley you fear.  It just requires a different sort of stylization.

Christ.  I bet when people were asking for a black Disney princess, some douches were all, "look, there's a reason there are no black princesses, it's just that dark shades of brown don't, ah, mesh well with the typical color palette."
 
2014-01-31 10:45:45 PM
Five Tails of Fury: Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

Given how often I've tried to talk to a non-fat woman only to have her fat, self-hating, bitter friend pop up like an evil genie and chime in with "Leave us ALONE!!  Leave us ALONE!!", I'd be delighted if fat women performed mass suicide off of a cliff, or were pushed, or were shot en masse.
 
2014-01-31 11:02:58 PM
People are shallow and vain. The media isn't defining what they like, it's giving them what they want.
 
2014-02-01 04:44:11 AM

TheBigJerk: Hollie Maea: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Do you eat a lot of high glycemic index food?  That is a common cause of that, due to the pancreas overshooting insulin production.  Slower burning foods over a long period of time could help.

Probably?  I had a vegetarian week where I would eat and eat and feel like I hadn't eaten anything at all until I added some meat to it.

I am sure it is related to a family history rife with diabetes too.

Breads and sugars end up making a heavy appearance because of bad habits, (hate cooking) and, you know, America(fark yeah!).  But really it's meat that makes the pain stop.

And meat isn't slow-burning enough.


Yeah, your problem is pretty obvious. I had the same issue.

The suggestion about the high GI foods is dead on. You're going to kill yourself with the carbs if you keep at it, and I mean that literally, with your family history you are going to get type-2 diabetes if you keep going like you are.

Meat is actually plenty slow burning (all fats and proteins are), the problem is that you have to deprive your body of the carbs for a sustained period of time. Typically this is 3-5 days. Then your hunger pains will go away. If you want to make it go easy on yourself, just eat a farkload of cheese and meat and nothing else for 7 days.

Eventually your insulin levels will stabilize and you'll ditch the insane hunger pains. At that point, you're pretty much free from your body chemistry and everything else is just going to be your own emotional and mental issues with food. Which, I admit, is a big deal.

Anyway, TL;DR - put down the carbs. They are going to give you the diabeetus.
 
2014-02-01 07:23:51 AM

Marc L'Hommedieu: Jeez, this thread makes me feel sorry for kids these days.  They're born into a world where they're completely at the mercy of whatever carb-filled processed shiatfood their parents cram in the cupboard because they're working too much to cook properly.  A world where a big-screen TV and an XBOX is a given, while things like bicycles and dogs and time in nature are luxury items that many can't afford.  Even if they have bikes, the roads are too dangerous to bike on anyway.  A world where all their peer interactions involve the internet somehow...

...so they end up fat, and the old men here mock them and say, "hey!  You should have grown up with a stay-at-home mom who could spend 4 hours a day making real food!  Leave all your friends behind and go run around in the woods like a crazy hermit!"

Baby boomers.  You damn near ruined this world.  Stop blaming the kids who have to inherit your utter failure.

Also... i'm an artist.  Trust me, it's perfectly possible to draw a curvy, sorta-chubby character and still have them look vibrant and Disney-cute and nowhere near this uncanny valley you fear.  It just requires a different sort of stylization.

Christ.  I bet when people were asking for a black Disney princess, some douches were all, "look, there's a reason there are no black princesses, it's just that dark shades of brown don't, ah, mesh well with the typical color palette."


I spent 10 years working 60 hours a week, raising my son, and caring for an invalid wife.  Dinner was every day at 6 and it was almost always homemade, from scratch, even if it was leftovers.  Many times I fed his friends as well.  There was no carb/sugar filled/processed crap in our house because I didn't want him to grow up a fat bastard and it was my job to prepare him for life.  It can be done, you just have to make it a priority.

It's not the kids fault, I agree with that.  At some point though, you become responsible for yourself and you don't get to blame the world around you for the things that make you unhappy.
 
2014-02-01 08:39:57 AM

Two16: "Teen Starts Petition..."

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I don't care how bad the problem is (especially telling since I'm in the process of losing weight), trying to solve it by signing a petition to make it more socially acceptable is NOT THE SOLUTION.  Hell, the entire "let's make petitions to make the awful mean icky things in the world go away" movement is just reatarded if you ask me.  (Not that there aren't some with merit, like the Bieber expulsion one, but still.)
 
2014-02-01 09:25:16 AM

Two16: THIS:
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THIS:
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I'll have both. Make them work out and bring them to my double-wide bunk.

Incidentally I really like that chubby Ariel, and find Fiona the Ogre-Princess very attractive.
 
2014-02-01 09:47:38 AM
Yeah. Teach kids it's ok to be fat. Why not make her a smoker too?
 
2014-02-01 10:56:52 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah. Teach kids it's ok to be fat. Why not make her a smoker too?



Because that might kill her appetite!
 
2014-02-01 02:04:14 PM
As someone who has ranged from thin to overweight, 130-216 (I'm 5'10"), I can definitely opine that thinner is better on every level. At my heaviest I would "embrace my full figure" and learned how to be happy even while fat. There are lots of guys that like full figures, even fat women.

But physically, it didn't feel good to me. Sluggish, metabolism in the toilet, couldn't keep up with good sex. Aches and pains, flab flopping everywhere. Being slender is totally worth eating right and working out five times a week. I don't think there are women that really want to be fat, just like there aren't many drug addicts that want that money on their back. But humans are great at rationalizing. It's easier.
 
2014-02-01 08:49:40 PM

Witness99: But physically, it didn't feel good to me. Sluggish, metabolism in the toilet, couldn't keep up with good sex. Aches and pains, flab flopping everywhere. Being slender is totally worth eating right and working out five times a week. I don't think there are women that really want to be fat, just like there aren't many drug addicts that want that money on their back. But humans are great at rationalizing. It's easier.


You will be old one day.  Then what?
 
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