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(Huffington Post)   'Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the plumpest of them all?' 'Famed is thy girth, Majesty. But hold, a chunky maid I see. Rags cannot hide her heaving size. Alas, she is more fat than thee.'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 263
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2014-01-31 04:34:41 PM

Lusiphur: tlars699: Less obese, maybe. Same dress size though.
Top one has an additional 3 " to her height, which makes a difference, and it doesn't help that bottom chick is pointing her head down to look demure.

I don't know. A girdle can do a lot, but it's not magic.

True It won't make weight disappear, just put it in other places. To me, and this comes from having been married to a very obese woman once upon a time, there is no way to girdle that stomach away without creating odd lumps in other places.Only if you buy cheap or ill fitting one size fits all girdles. They might both wear the same size pants, but they certainly don't wear the same size dress.Possible, But unlikely. Pants are waist and hip measurements, and dress adds bust. This dress needs to account for pants size as it does not have a loose flowy skirt. It also seems to be tailored, so the top one may need -1" ease on the bust measurement, but since she has good underwear/posture it's hard to tell.

Far Cough: Huh, to me the one on top looks much larger.  Even with the girdle she's nearly as bulbous as the bottom woman; she seems to have much more to hide.  The bottom woman looks slightly healthier, truth be told.

The top one has smaller arms-No, she doesn't. She is not pinning them at her sides making the excess bulge out like bottom one. She is also angling them down so  you can't see if she has "wings". and (from what can be seen) smaller thighs, No. You admit this in pants size. they have the same measurement in this area, as well as her feet are not in the same position.One is cocked up, which brings her knees closer together.as well as a less round face.True, but some very thin people can have double chins, due to weak bone structure in the jaw/chin area. I feel that the bottom chick may have the misfortune of being one of these people, even if she was thin.
 
2014-01-31 04:37:48 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(

Really, tlars?  It doesn't have to be a drastic formal diet of any kind.  Just cut down.  Reduce your intake just a little bit over time.    Skipping entire meals and/or days is also underrated in my opinion.  For me the only hard part is later at night.

Anyhow, good luck.


Currently pregnant, so currently cutting down is not looked well upon, as I may lack nutrients for teh Babby.

What I should do is cut off the gym membership, join the Y and go swimming or just walking everyday- I do live in WI so there's that.
Wii Yoga makes me feel awesome. I should do more of that. Finding a when to do it would be nice. :(
 
2014-01-31 04:39:05 PM

Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.


A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*
 
2014-01-31 04:40:56 PM

tlars699: Far Cough: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

/Not a 100 lbs over yet...
//too close :(

Really, tlars?  It doesn't have to be a drastic formal diet of any kind.  Just cut down.  Reduce your intake just a little bit over time.    Skipping entire meals and/or days is also underrated in my opinion.  For me the only hard part is later at night.

Anyhow, good luck.

Currently pregnant, so currently cutting down is not looked well upon, as I may lack nutrients for teh Babby.

What I should do is cut off the gym membership, join the Y and go swimming or just walking everyday- I do live in WI so there's that.
Wii Yoga makes me feel awesome. I should do more of that. Finding a when to do it would be nice. :(


Sorry, "Cutting Down" is what I meant.
I do eat fairly healthily- I used to be very bad about this with my ex, due to self esteem issues and laziness in preparing food, and getting no help.

And of course caffiene is my vice. SODA!! Y U Taste so good?!?!


/I know I know, no excuses. XP
 
2014-01-31 04:42:38 PM

fruitloop: [i171.photobucket.com image 508x298]

Does Nani count?


Uh, dafuq? Nani and Lilo are actually relatively normally-proportioned. As was pointed out in TFA, Anna (recent Disney princess)'s eyeballs were bigger than her wrists. Try and imagine a human being with that for a second. Yeah. What we think of as 'thin' in cartoon land is more like 'grotesquely weird-shaped'.
 
2014-01-31 04:43:52 PM
On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.
 
2014-01-31 04:44:53 PM

timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*


I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

That said, if it happens to improve your own life, please, go for it.
 
2014-01-31 04:48:43 PM
If you don't want to have a double chin, try the following:

Stand up straight, and pretend you have an under-bite like a bulldog.

Turn your head/face so it is facing up, with the under-bite. You should feel a stretch in your front neck area all the way down to your clavicle.

Now flex your jaw further forward, and let it settle back to regular under-bite. 5-10 repetitions.

Relax your head to face forward. Twice a day will give you noticeable differences.

In our high-school, you could tell if a fat girl was in choir- she wouldn't have a prominent double chin due to this stretch.
 
2014-01-31 04:50:08 PM

thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.


YAY, YOU!
What's your end game?
 
2014-01-31 04:53:01 PM

tlars699: If you don't want to have a double chin, try the following:

Stand up straight, and pretend you have an under-bite like a bulldog.

Turn your head/face so it is facing up, with the under-bite. You should feel a stretch in your front neck area all the way down to your clavicle.

Now flex your jaw further forward, and let it settle back to regular under-bite. 5-10 repetitions.

Relax your head to face forward. Twice a day will give you noticeable differences.

In our high-school, you could tell if a fat girl was in choir- she wouldn't have a prominent double chin due to this stretch.


Thanks.  Trying this now for my proto geezer neck.  :)
 
2014-01-31 04:55:01 PM

Far Cough: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

That said, i ...


A very valid point is made here about weight and energy levels. I am definitely more sluggish since gaining weight. Of course, medication is drastic and has been for a while out of necessity (opiates, unfortunately, just what stupid body responded to in blind trials at pain clinic). Also, the inability to do much leads to body conversely becoming more sluggish, and energy levels plummeting - a vicious cycle I am kind of stuck with.

I just really want to be as healthy as possible within these limitations, and do what little I can.

/ miss yoga. and bike riding.
// no idea how much I miss long walks. letterbox and back is considered epic triumph most days...
 
2014-01-31 04:55:16 PM
Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.
 
2014-01-31 04:56:46 PM

thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.


That's fantastic!

I grew up in the 70's, a time when every class had a single "fat kid". Well, I was that fat kid. For most of my life I thought that being obese was "genetic" and that it was simply my lot in life because "some bodies are different". I had no significant health issues in my life... Until I hit my 40's. Well, predictably, my blood pressure skyrocketed, and I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome. I didn't think too much about it (after all, there was "nothing I could do about it"), until last November, when I went blind in one eye due to high-blood pressure/obesity (my sight is slowly starting to return, thankfully). Suddenly, I was much more motivated to lose weight, and have lost 25 pounds since December 01. What surprised me the most was how (relatively) easy it was to lose, in spite of my "bad genetics".
 
2014-01-31 04:58:27 PM
This count as a Princess?

www.qhatlas.com.au
 
2014-01-31 05:01:04 PM

tlars699: thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.

YAY, YOU!
What's your end game?


Thanks. I'm 5'10. I'm aiming for around 85kg (around 185 lbs). I've only just started some strength training in addition to the cardio I do, so hopefully I'll have a good physique at the end of the process. If I'm brutally honest, I want to look good naked.
 
2014-01-31 05:01:55 PM

timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

T ...


Have you spoken with a yoga instructor/doctor/chiropractic,(preferrably all at the same time, so they could debate about each set of theories in person, and end up helping you)?

Now obviously, you can't do it all on your own, and tons of poses out of the question, but there may be something to help build strength in your core, or stretch your back, aside from water exercises?
Can you do armwork? Do you need the electric chair for head support?

I'm sorry, normally not so invasive, but I strive to help people, particularly on problem solving.
 
2014-01-31 05:03:43 PM

tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.


Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.
 
2014-01-31 05:06:16 PM

thisispete: tlars699: thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.

YAY, YOU!
What's your end game?

Thanks. I'm 5'10. I'm aiming for around 85kg (around 185 lbs). I've only just started some strength training in addition to the cardio I do, so hopefully I'll have a good physique at the end of the process. If I'm brutally honest, I want to look good naked.


You know, if you really wanted a good physique, you would do that and wear weights through the day to simulate the weight you lost (I know, not realistic when taken literally, but you can add a good 20-30 lbs just with wrist/ankle weights).

And seriously, when you get to 200, you'll probably think you look good naked, anyway. Not saying to give up then, but if you have the male V, going on, you will win over thinner guys, hands down.

Mmmm Male V...

/I'll be in my bunk, ifn you please.
 
2014-01-31 05:07:23 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.

Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.


And the same to you!!
 
2014-01-31 05:07:59 PM

AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?


Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.
 
2014-01-31 05:14:23 PM

trappedspirit: Bonzo_1116: It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?

Haven't our handicapped been thrown under enough buses?


should have moved faster to get out of the way!

www.zillamag.com
 
2014-01-31 05:20:12 PM

tiamet4: AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?

Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.


Not directed at me, but...

a. The first looks like a waif, close to rail thin model territory (but not as bad)

b. The second looks like a thin woman.

c.  The third is overweight.

No way does a or b fit into "Plus Size" territory, even in the modeling world.  One should probably define the real goals and terms in pursuing this kind of agenda.  Of course that's hard considering the freedoms allowed in various animation styles, the way cartoons are expected to look, etc.

I think any or all are welcome as heroines, but cartoons often de-emphasize the bust on younger characters, so the third body type is likely to look worse than it does in that sketch.

I meant to mention the fat boy scout in "Up".  Not sure if he qualifies as a "hero" or not (I hated his character) but he was seriously overweight.

Hmm, come to think of it, why would the fat Princess movement be more important than a fat male hero movement.  There really aren't any of those either, unless you count Steven Seagal.  I still wish they'd do away with the "princess" concept rather than hardening it into an expectation.
 
2014-01-31 05:21:01 PM

tlars699: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Far Cough: timelady: Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Easy: Cheese Cheese Cheese.  Eggs Eggs Eggs.  You did say "vegetarian" and not "vegan", right?

If vegan, you could always overload on faux meat preparations (and tempeh and tofu) and of course beans and nuts.  I'm guessing a jar of peanut butter is okay on Atkins?

But I'm all pro-carb myself.

A good point. I hear people raving about energy and health on low carb.With all my body is battling with meds and pain, I could do with some of that, besides the weight thing:) 7 kilos USED to be so easy to shift. I was such an avid bike rider before the car accident....an electric wheelchair is actually not much of a substitute.

/ But damn good fun up the hills where I work (at a uni).
// my students envy me at that point *bfeg*

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the ...


Not at all invasive, else I wouldn't have posted.

Car accident eight years ago - hit from behind at 60 k while I was waiting to turn actress traffic (yay airbag/seatbelt) then pushed into oncoming traffic at full speed (unfortunately seatbelt airbag now out of commission, as they are one impact numbers - and there was the problem). So it was a 3 car write-off type car crash.  Collapsed spine in four vertebrae on RH side since (two burst, two bulging to be specific, though we suspect the MRI will show another burst). Sciatic nerve gets trapped. Leg goes numb intermittently, increasingly frequently. Paralysis likely at some point, but prognosis long term could be much worse than mere paralysis. No one knows, however.

Doctors amazed that I still work, because of pain levels. One burst disc can be crippling, but 2 or 3? Hell, bulging is dreadful. And the sciatic nerve thing I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. But I *HAVE* to, or go insane with it. Large amounts of opiates do 10%, Mindfulness/CBT 80%, having purpose, 100% (yes, I know;) ).

So, if I twist, I could pass out or throw up from pain. I do gentle physio type stretches twenty minutes each day, and try for morning and night repetitions, but some days are so bad I can't leave the bed. Hydro also helps, but pool costs ridiculous, beach hard to access. However, The Bloke (tm) working on above ground pool I can get into easily. (Below ground would be nice but we have no mortgage, and we wish to keep it that way thanks).

Head support not needed, no:) But sitting in one position is insanity. Reclining is best, so titling electric with high back support lets me work most of a day. Come home and straight to lying flat or very inclined, but still...

*'herbal remedies' (as hinted by one doctor, took me a while to realise not Chinese medicine but marijuana was meant) can be very helpful, but leave me non functional, so judicious bad day use only - especially as asthmatic*.

Also, happy pregnancy! Most amazing fun thing ever is having kids:) I have five kids, and the smallest was 2yo at accident - first time he wasn't with me. Hell, at the time of the accident I had just ridden my bike with kid trailer for a year and avoided the car...stupid house moving day! Three are adults now - hell, no 1 is 27 and getting married and talking babies...where did time go????
 
2014-01-31 05:21:41 PM

Far Cough: tlars699: Far Cough:

I really wonder about those "energy" claims.  I suspect it's just because they lost weight!  I felt much more energetic when I was thinner, and I just lost weight by cutting down, skipping meals, and avoiding late snacking.  (If anything, I became too thin.)  Junk food is junk food, sure, but carbohydrates are not the enemy.

I wonder if fatigue is also driven by hormones, like hunger.

I did feel more energetic, up until collapsing with exhaustion. Maybe my body wanted to keep the reserves, and counteracted their loss through an alternate hormone since I could ignore the hunger one somewhat?

I do know that when you diet and hit ketosis your body purposely puts more hunger hormones in your system, which is why the dude walking when he was hungry and counteracting those with endorphins etc., is so successful.

/Can't remember if that was you. Sorry.

Not me, no; as I said I'm all pro-carb and have never done Atkins.  I know it "works" for lots of people but I still subscribe to the "but it's because you're eating fewer calories, stupid" line of thought.

I can't speak to the hormone issues.

I hope you have a smooth pregnancy, and I hope Ms. timelady gets healthier.  Best to you both.


Thank you so much for kind thinkings:)
 
2014-01-31 05:22:36 PM

baconbeard: thisispete: On 1 January 2013 I weighed 178.8 kg (394 lbs). I made a resolution last year and am into my second year of weight loss. This morning I weighed 121.6 kg (268 lbs). I'm achieving my weight loss through diet and exercise. Mainly diet.

For the longest time I believed being fat was my lot in life. My destiny. I grew up a chubby kid, a fat teenager and an obese adult. And it was something I surrendered myself to. I had accepted my body. What changed was coming across the accounts of other men around my size who succeeded in losing weight. And I feel so much better now even though my journey is not yet complete.

I've come to realise the big danger of the body acceptance/health at any size movement is that it encourages people to surrender their agency over their bodies. It's an unfounded declaration of powerlessness. Naturally, I don't think people of size should be actively discriminated against, nor do I think they should be vilified. It wasn't hate or disgust that motivated me. But obesity is not a good thing and in the grand scheme of things, I have found that changing my ways was easier than I thought.

That's fantastic!

I grew up in the 70's, a time when every class had a single "fat kid". Well, I was that fat kid. For most of my life I thought that being obese was "genetic" and that it was simply my lot in life because "some bodies are different". I had no significant health issues in my life... Until I hit my 40's. Well, predictably, my blood pressure skyrocketed, and I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome. I didn't think too much about it (after all, there was "nothing I could do about it"), until last November, when I went blind in one eye due to high-blood pressure/obesity (my sight is slowly starting to return, thankfully). Suddenly, I was much more motivated to lose weight, and have lost 25 pounds since December 01. What surprised me the most was how (relatively) easy it was to lose, in spite of my "bad genetics".


Well done!!! That is amazing:)
 
2014-01-31 05:24:23 PM

tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/


Hang in there. A lot of toxins are fat soluble, and when you start to burn reserves of fat that you've had for years it releases a lot of crap into your blood stream that takes a toll on your immune system.

I don't have much to offer in the way of tips. Keep taking the vitamins, wash your hands like Howie Mandel, never touch your eyes or mouth, drink plenty of water, get plenty of sleep. Just know that eventually you will be able to work out without getting sick.
 
2014-01-31 05:26:11 PM

timelady: [uncool accident story]


Damn, I hope you can find some pain relief.
  can they do some kind of spinal implant?
 
2014-01-31 05:38:06 PM

LindenFark: tlars699: I do, but then I come down with the flu. Every time. No matter how many vitamin supplements I take prior. FLU. And then I get off track, because I'm too tired for a month after the fact. :/

Hang in there. A lot of toxins are fat soluble, and when you start to burn reserves of fat that you've had for years it releases a lot of crap into your blood stream that takes a toll on your immune system.

I don't have much to offer in the way of tips. Keep taking the vitamins, wash your hands like Howie Mandel, never touch your eyes or mouth, drink plenty of water, get plenty of sleep. Just know that eventually you will be able to work out without getting sick.


I wasn't aware of this. O_O
And there are people out there who revile the overweight, and tell them they should just kill themselves if they can't lose it.
I'm not for super-obese "acceptance" quite(respect you as a person? Of course. But yo' ass is Huge, and if you can't run 5 miles, don't talk to me about how you're healthy.), but seriously?! Thin people railing on the fatties can go fark themselves with pointy sticks!!1!

Especially Trainer Mom. *Shudders*
 
2014-01-31 05:38:16 PM

Far Cough: tiamet4: AngryDragon: tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?

If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?

Do the second and third drawings really look obese to you?  Is the first one really the only one that looks healthy?

If so, I think you've proved my point.

Not directed at me, but...

a. The first looks like a waif, close to rail thin model territory (but not as bad)

b. The second looks like a thin woman.

c.  The third is overweight.

No way does a or b fit into "Plus Size" territory, even in the modeling world.  One should probably define the real goals and terms in pursuing this kind of agenda.  Of course that's hard considering the freedoms allowed in various animation styles, the way cartoons are expected to look, etc.

I think any or all are welcome as heroines, but cartoons often de-emphasize the bust on younger characters, so the third body type is likely to look worse than it does in that sketch.

I meant to mention the fat boy scout in "Up".  Not sure if he qualifies as a "hero" or not (I hated his character) but he was seriously overweight.

Hmm, come to think of it, why would the fat Princess movement be more important than a fat male hero movement.  There really aren't any of those either, unless you count Steven Seagal.  I still wish they'd do away with the "princess" concept rather than hardening it into an expectation.


I think you're agreeing with me...

I think different body types for male and female heroines would be welcome. Honestly, as with the little boy in Up, however you feel about the health of a particular body type, you don't have to be a certain shape or size to have an adventure or have admirable qualities or have your thoughts and feelings matter enough to be the focus of a story.

That would be my goal and it's what I interpret the goal of the petition to be. Not so much "hey let's make morbid obesity look good" but let's show that everyone has value.
 
2014-01-31 05:42:07 PM

Bonzo_1116: timelady: [uncool accident story]

Damn, I hope you can find some pain relief.
  can they do some kind of spinal implant?


There is some work done with titanium discs. Hell, the engineers in my Uni school do a lot with rehab and engineering assisted devices. All the surgery we have tried has either failed or made things slightly worse, which you know is a risk going in.

So, in short, nothing can be done but pain relief and keep moving what you can:) But thanks so much for thought!

/ my doctor wants me to write a book on staying positive in face of stuff like this
// who has time, studying Honours to start my PhD and lecturing...plus research! Body is broken, brain still works:)
 
2014-01-31 05:43:40 PM
timelady: OMG, lady! Take it easy.

Are they going to replace the disks at all, or is it because the nerve is trapped that they can't?


Thank you on the well wishes. I have two already, so I know that they're pretty funny, and fun to have.
I'm hoping for a red headed girl, so I can give her my Grandma's name: Barbara; but really, I'm fine with anyone that's healthy. Bonus if they're happy. :)
 
2014-01-31 05:47:22 PM

timelady: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.

Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)


Eat a lot of coconut, avocado, eggs and fish, especially small, wild-caught fish. You don't have to eat meat (I recommend it), but at least eat eggs and fish. And buy the eggs with the highest omega-3 content you can find (300+ mg per egg). Yes, they cost more, but they are still cheap and very nutritious. Otherwise, cut the carbs, especially grains and refined sugars. That includes whole grains. And yes, I do mean completely.
 
2014-01-31 05:48:32 PM

tlars699: timelady: OMG, lady! Take it easy.

Are they going to replace the disks at all, or is it because the nerve is trapped that they can't?


Thank you on the well wishes. I have two already, so I know that they're pretty funny, and fun to have.
I'm hoping for a red headed girl, so I can give her my Grandma's name: Barbara; but really, I'm fine with anyone that's healthy. Bonus if they're happy. :)


Making kids happy is surprisingly easy - love em and set boundaries - firm but fair. Hugs galore and jokes all over the place.

Smiling through the teen years..well, there is a slightly harder going;))

Three down, two to go (youngest two 10 and 12, the others are 19, 21, 27 - four girls and my bonus boy). Sadly, two little girls and three miscarriages account for the gaps - everyone asks.

You sound like you have it nailed, fingers crossed for your redhead:)

To me - no, they can't. Too much nerve/muscle/tissue/bone/cartilage/disc damage to fix (if there was something else there to be broken, sure it would be;)) ). I am the one all specialists say, when looking at my file "Myyy, aren't you INTERESTING".

Yeah, I am, but prefer it to be my personality not my damage;)))
 
2014-01-31 05:51:27 PM

jxb465: timelady: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.

Yeah, now do me a vegetarian option....I am interested in low carb, but am hugely put off by the meat frenzy.

Seriously, try keeping your weight down when disabled, spinal condition means chronic pain and it is just getting worse. Mild hydrotherapy is about it, but time and money issues with pools is a problem. The beach is not far but wheelchairs and sand...yeah. Medication to help take merest edge off pain to keep me functional and working (despite all medical advice to just accept and stay on pension - damn that) means I am always nauseous and food is only thing to quell that.

 And yet, 47 years old, been (increasingly, it is degenerative) like this for 8 years, and at 5'9" I am 72 kilos - have been for a couple of years. I want to be 63 kilos again. That is low but comfy for my back. So anyone got any low carb ideas for a vegetarian?

/don't be hatin' on the vego thang, Fark:)

Eat a lot of coconut, avocado, eggs and fish, especially small, wild-caught fish. You don't have to eat meat (I recommend it), but at least eat eggs and fish. And buy the eggs with the highest omega-3 conte ...


Sorry, fish is no option. We have chooks of our own, and the cost of eggs when we have chooks (well, my dad has them so that counts) is crazy:)

But the rest I intend to try. Thanks for the good advice on this, from you and everyone.

Coconut - huh, wouldn't have thought of that. Fresh or dried?

Thank the gods for living in Australia, so much yummy fruit and veg options. But a and avocado season means they a bit pricey in their season - though we recently had a 99cent special at supermarket four houses away. Did we gorge for a week...we all LOVE them, so it got vicious;))
 
2014-01-31 05:52:55 PM

Wellon Dowd: Some girl role models for plus-sized gals.

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Ariel Winter has definitely filled out during her time on "Modern Family" and as the voice of Princess Sofia, I could see that character going the same way.
 
2014-01-31 05:55:24 PM

timelady: Coconut - huh, wouldn't have thought of that. Fresh or dried?


Use this to cook with:

blog.fairwaymarket.com

It has no taste or smell and has lots of benefits over other types of oil.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/25/coconut-oil-benefits_n_41642 78 .html
 
2014-01-31 05:59:44 PM

The_Hairy_Gooch: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.


You missed a couple of my posts. I'm on the wagon with her.
 
2014-01-31 06:01:32 PM

tlars699: The_Hairy_Gooch: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

So you admit to being over weight yourself, yet you have no inclination to change your habits yet maintain she should change hers. There are health risks with being over weight at any age. It could be beneficial to both of you if you take on you weight challenge as a team. By cooking healthy meals and changing both of your lifestyle habits it wouldn't end up being such a struggle. Your body will adjust naturally. I know I'm going to come across as a jerk by saying this, but kids normally take on their parents habits and if you want to change hers and give her a push in the right direction she, and you, may one day gain the healthy physique you are looking to obtain by changing your habits.

THIS^^
Kids also smell hypocrisy, and much of their lives are driven by fairness.


You also missed a couple of my posts. Your assumption is completely incorrect.
 
2014-01-31 06:11:48 PM

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Thank you for saving this thread.
 
2014-01-31 06:12:17 PM

Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?



No, Shrek is not Disney, it is from DreamWorks.
 
2014-01-31 06:13:14 PM

jst3p: timelady: Coconut - huh, wouldn't have thought of that. Fresh or dried?

Use this to cook with:

[blog.fairwaymarket.com image 260x260]

It has no taste or smell and has lots of benefits over other types of oil.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/25/coconut-oil-benefits_n_41642 78 .html


thanks, oh person in green fave colours (pre this thread I had you fave'd - though this thread has also hugely added to my list)
 
2014-01-31 06:13:24 PM
/trying to save it
 
2014-01-31 06:22:19 PM

dk47: /trying to save it


let it go man, it is doomed;))
 
2014-01-31 07:16:20 PM

baconbeard: We're through the looking-glass here, people.


Waal, she won't fit through the rabbit hole.
 
2014-01-31 07:30:05 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-31 07:39:01 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-31 07:56:54 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-31 07:59:36 PM

SpectroBoy: If, as a parent, you think the worst message that Disney Princesses send is their body image expectations then you are not as good a parent as you imagine yourself.

Maybe you should be more concerned with the helpless little woman waiting in her slumber/castle/cage for the big brave handsome man to save her and then marrying him out of gratitude and fear.

just saying.


Every third movie made for the last decade has been the story of a latter-day Queen Boudicca who lays misogynistic enemies to waste with firearms, bows or broadsword but sure, make 50 more to get that Empowerment propaganda message out there.  And make her fall in love with a schlubby guy played by Jonah Hill to make it even more realistic.
 
2014-01-31 08:22:17 PM

Wellon Dowd: There are plenty of fatties out there serving as role models for porcine pre-pubescents.


Honey BooBoo?
 
2014-01-31 08:49:58 PM
 
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