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(Huffington Post)   'Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the plumpest of them all?' 'Famed is thy girth, Majesty. But hold, a chunky maid I see. Rags cannot hide her heaving size. Alas, she is more fat than thee.'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 263
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2014-01-31 02:52:51 PM  

give me doughnuts: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


Or he could tell her the truth.


Thank you. And that truth is that unlike her siblings she did not inherit the metabolism that allows her to eat whatever she wants while at the same time not ever exercising and still stay reasonably healthy. 5'8" and 195lbs at 16 is NOT okay; it's the top of a slope that leads quickly down to a miserably unhealthy adulthood. Her grandfather (my father-in-law) topped out at 450+ pounds before he talked reluctant surgeons into giving him a gastric bypass. She needs real information, not about how she looks in a mirror, but about what she's doing to her body.
 
2014-01-31 02:53:03 PM  

jst3p: Archae hippy: jst3p: [i.huffpost.com image 850x396]


This lie is actually detrimental to society.

If you look at the pictures, those three body types are (or could be) beautiful.  If you keep it down to that level it doesn't harm society one bit.

The morbidly obese, however, are a drain on themselves and society and should encouraged to get down to the "fat" size in the picture.

The problem is it gets extrapolated:

[i1347.photobucket.com image 850x566]


Ummm... no. One of you are being lied to and you are believing it.


But all of these women are overweight, could be considered borderline "obese" (Or over, sorry, Nikole) and Plus sized.

WORDS!! THEY MEAN THINGS!!!
 
2014-01-31 02:53:48 PM  

Pilikia: Bonzo_1116: LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.

It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?

Mostly this. There are still serious health risks associated with being fit-fat, but mostly I agree with this.


I think some of the problem with teengirl self-image is that it's a problem to be a big person---not fat so much, but big.  The boys don't want to date a girl who is bigger/taller/maybe even stronger than them, and it farks with the heads of girls who can't help it if they're 5'10.  So they just give up and eat the ice cream.

she could take up a sport where being big helps, like basketball or rugby.  hell even long distance swimming.
 
2014-01-31 02:53:52 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Pilikia: ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^

I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

/6'5", 278lbs
//Should weigh 225lbs, but I eat too much and don't exercise enough

Sometimes being a parent means having to say NO. It sucks being a fat kid. It can fark with your psyche and self-esteem for decades, not to mention putting a kid on a path to an early death. I've struggled with weight my whole life. I went from 290 in high school to 170 by the time I was 21. I let it creep back up to 290 again in the last few years, and am halfway back to 170 again, hopefully for good. Fat isn't fun.


Good luck, I'm there with you. This time I'm counting belt notches instead of pounds, though. :-)
 
2014-01-31 02:54:14 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


Ditto.

I get it. we shouldn't fat shame people and they may be perfectly nice people. But this "Everyone is beautiful so that means the 300 pound fatty should be considered hot" shiat has to end.

It's not going to happen.
 
2014-01-31 02:54:34 PM  

AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is

Change your chemistry yourself.  Seriously.

I know I will be vilified by this, but anyone who is obese needs to try a low-carb diet.  It sounds insane and I thought so too.  I've been on it for 2 years at the recommendation of my doctor.  What I know is that before I tried it I weighed 250 lbs, had hypoglycemia (my doctor thought I was pre-diabetic), was always hungry, couldn't sleep at night, had high cholesterol, and felt like shiat constantly.

After I adopted it, my cholesterol normalized, my blood sugar has been normal for 2 years, I'm never hungry, have tons of energy, sleep all night without a problem, my sex drive is back to what it was like when I was 18 (I'm in my 40s), and I feel generally terrific.  And I lost 70 lbs without trying.  No crazy workouts or starving myself, all I did was change what I eat.  I actually have trouble maintaining 180 lbs while eating 2500 calories a day.

Do yourself a favor and try it.


The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake
 
2014-01-31 02:55:08 PM  
The dick wants what the dick wants.

Most of them don't want fatties.
 
2014-01-31 02:56:00 PM  
I won't lie I sometimes watch Cruvy Girls on NUVOtv. http://www.mynuvotv.com/show/cast?name=curvygirls&season=2
/If you just pay attention to their faces you won't notice the fat
\Yes you will
 
2014-01-31 02:56:44 PM  
Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.
 
2014-01-31 02:57:37 PM  
Fat princess was a seriously underrated game. Anyway, someone took an issue with that game too. Can't please some people so even bother trying.
 
2014-01-31 02:58:05 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Pilikia: Bonzo_1116: LisaSimpson: Can we have something in between embracing skeletal thin and obese?  Can we tell girls it's okay if you don't look like everyone on TV, but it's also important to eat healthy foods and get exercise?  Can I size 4, 6, 8 be okay?  That some people have larger frames than others and thus they will weigh more?  But it's still not healthy to weight 300 pounds?  Going one way or the other isn't helping anyone, and I feel like people don't seem to get that.  Also cartoons have proportionally wrong characters on purpose, so we don't have this weird uncanny valley.  Everyone calm down.

/It's already bad enough in "realistic" video games.

It would be better if the societal standard wasn't how a person *looks*, but if we judged them by what they can actually *do*.  I.e. instead of yammering on about dress sizes, the question would be: can you complete a 5k in less than an hour without collapsing at the finish?  can you do twenty situps in a row without giving yourself a hernia?

Mostly this. There are still serious health risks associated with being fit-fat, but mostly I agree with this.

I think some of the problem with teengirl self-image is that it's a problem to be a big person---not fat so much, but big.  The boys don't want to date a girl who is bigger/taller/maybe even stronger than them, and it farks with the heads of girls who can't help it if they're 5'10.  So they just give up and eat the ice cream.

she could take up a sport where being big helps, like basketball or rugby.  hell even long distance swimming.


This is good advice, but I think that ship has sailed. Have to grow the tree I have. She is turning into a little bit of a gym rat, though. She's wayyyy into theater, has a beautiful voice, so we had a frank discussion about how shiatty directors are about judging women by their looks. Her short-term goal is to slim down enough where she stops getting cast as the mom or the old lady on the bus. I know, it's shiatty, but it's what is currently motivating her.
 
2014-01-31 02:58:06 PM  

Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.


You sound fat.
 
2014-01-31 02:58:57 PM  

Dirty Doug: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

You sound fat.


I am, Dirty Doug, I am.
 
2014-01-31 02:59:33 PM  

Pilikia: Dirty Doug: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

You sound fat.

I am, Dirty Doug, I am.


Cursed manic typing. I see that you were talking to that other guy.
 
2014-01-31 02:59:49 PM  

TheBigJerk: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

----

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake


Have you ever actually truly restricted your food intake as an experiment?  like going backpacking for a few days carrying limited supplies, so you can't appease the hunger pangs, or fasting for a day or two only drinking water?

Your issue actually sounds pretty unusual.
 
2014-01-31 03:00:50 PM  
Pilikia:
Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

0/10


Thanks, 'cause I was about to bite.

Anyway, this thread puts me in a weird position, since I'm usually the one criticizing the fatties and telling them to stop lying to themselves that they can't lose weight if they just stop eating so damn much, calories are calories, etc.

But I wouldn't particularly mind a cartoon character who's not rail thin, whether man or woman.  Crazy obese would be bad, but there's nothing wrong with a slightly chubby (maybe 20 pounds) hero or heroine.

What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

It's a little like the Bond girls.  Every single time we hear how THIS time it's going to be strong independent Bond girl, not like the eye candy objects before her.  But it never is, because it's not how those movies work.

I love most Disney stuff, but the Princess thing has got to stop already.
 
2014-01-31 03:00:59 PM  
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Yeah, kids will LOVE that.
 
2014-01-31 03:02:08 PM  

mama2tnt: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: proteon: Frozen was an utter turd written in five minutes but it made millions (oh the subtle differences between brain-dead sidekicks).  Good luck petitioning Disney for anything they're not already giving you.

This. I like a musical, but holy hell, this had more songs than The Sound of Music, and all of them crap!

I love to sing, but only deaf people like to be around me when I do. DISNEY: create a nonmusical movie for me, because my singing sucks!


Lilo And Stitch
The Fox and the Hound
The Black Cauldron
Sort of non musical: 101 Dalmatians

There are a few...
 
2014-01-31 03:02:24 PM  

Pilikia: This is good advice, but I think that ship has sailed. Have to grow the tree I have. She is turning into a little bit of a gym rat, though. She's wayyyy into theater, has a beautiful voice, so we had a frank discussion about how shiatty directors are about judging women by their looks. Her short-term goal is to slim down enough where she stops getting cast as the mom or the old lady on the bus. I know, it's shiatty, but it's what is currently motivating her.


As long as it's not rooted in self-loathing, any motivation is good. Good luck to you and to her.

/unfortunately as a theater kid she's destined to be nuts at any size :)
//I kid
 
2014-01-31 03:02:34 PM  

Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?


No, because she was fat and unattractive. That would defeat the purpose. Missy Thang obviously wants big, beautiful princesses.
 
2014-01-31 03:03:29 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.


Why stop there? I say we demand complete and utter realism in our fantasy movies. No more magic, no more strange creatures, no more lands that don't actually exist.

The next Disney Princess movie should be about Jennifer Christianson, a borderline obese 14 year old who faces a number of "wacky" trials and tribulations while attempting to buy school supplies at the local mall in Topeka, Kansas.

If that doesn't scream "Blockbuster!", I don't know what does!
 
2014-01-31 03:03:29 PM  
If, as a parent, you think the worst message that Disney Princesses send is their body image expectations then you are not as good a parent as you imagine yourself.

Maybe you should be more concerned with the helpless little woman waiting in her slumber/castle/cage for the big brave handsome man to save her and then marrying him out of gratitude and fear.

just saying.
 
2014-01-31 03:05:21 PM  

Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.


I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.
 
2014-01-31 03:07:03 PM  

Far Cough: Pilikia:
Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

0/10

Thanks, 'cause I was about to bite.

Anyway, this thread puts me in a weird position, since I'm usually the one criticizing the fatties and telling them to stop lying to themselves that they can't lose weight if they just stop eating so damn much, calories are calories, etc.

But I wouldn't particularly mind a cartoon character who's not rail thin, whether man or woman.  Crazy obese would be bad, but there's nothing wrong with a slightly chubby (maybe 20 pounds) hero or heroine.

What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

It's a little like the Bond girls.  Every single time we hear how THIS time it's going to be strong independent Bond girl, not like the eye candy objects before her.  But it never is, because it's not how those movies work.

I love most Disney stuff, but the Princess thing has got to stop already.


Somebody here mentioned Nani from Lilo and Stitch. I could definitely see a move in her direction - strong, independent, muscular AND curvy. But what I DON'T need as the parent of a fat kid is a collective cultural "giving up" on the issue of overall physical health and fitness.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-31 03:07:48 PM  

Nogale: Infernalist: Doesn't Fiona of Shrek fame count?

No, because she was fat and unattractive. That would defeat the purpose. Missy Thang obviously wants big, beautiful princesses.


You mean this lovely lady?img.fark.net

Cameron Diaz? Before she was a stick?
 
2014-01-31 03:07:49 PM  

TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake


That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.
 
2014-01-31 03:10:36 PM  

AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake

That's my point though.  If you're eating salad all week, you're doing it wrong.  A day for me might look like:

Breakfast
Coffee with heavy cream
2 eggs with cheddar and mushrooms
4 slices of bacon

Lunch
Salad with lettuce, ranch, cheese, mushrooms, eggs or ham, cucumbers, chickpeas
or
Egg salad on a low carb wrap with real mayonnaise and a cheese stick
or
Tuna salad with swiss cheese on low carb bread with pickles

Dinner
8 or 12 ounce steak
2 cups cauliflower in butter

Desert
Homemade low-carb cheesecake

2500 calories, 30 carbs.  I eat like this every day and I'm never hungry.  Sometimes I can't even finish it all.


Keto here, too.
 
2014-01-31 03:11:34 PM  

TheBigJerk: I need a way to make eating salad all week not hurt. Preferably without crystal meth.


Coffee? Cigarettes?
Coffee has ALWAYS done it for me. Espresso shot with a little bit of milk and maybe some ice (more liquid helps it last longer rather than just throw it back and put it down.) Always would get me through to the next meal, especially when my husband and I did South Beach. I will say, South Beach really worked for us (me, for sure). I know not all diets work for everyone but the eating a little bit every few hours really made it all ok. Also, coffee works well (now) during my morning rush because I either don't have time to eat every few hours or sometimes I don't even realize that 6.45am has suddenly become 11.15am (no hunger pains).
 
2014-01-31 03:11:34 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

...Did I say rude? People can be goddamn cruel. Especially some of their housewives. Okay, so I've got a weight problem. That's my cross to bear. I dunno...
 
2014-01-31 03:14:13 PM  

HortusMatris: Son of Thunder: Pilikia: I have a teenage daughter who's knocking on the door to obese... and the last thing she needs is more affirmation, more "Honey, you're beautiful just the way you are." She certainly is, and smart and funny to boot, but that's not the point. The point is if she keeps going the way she's going she'll be 250 lbs with diabetes by the time she's 30. So no, no more farking self-esteem coddling. No farking plus-size princesses and no farking special rights for fat people. It's time to end this shiat.

Darn right.  You just go ahead and lie to your daughter and tell her that she's not beautiful unless she fits the adolescent fantasies of a collection of sweaty internet neckbeards.  Make sure to tie her sense of self-worth to her ability to look like people who won the genetic lottery, have enough money to hire full-time trainers, and then get the pictures of them airbrushed.

[blogs.discovermagazine.com image 250x179]


BHAHAHAA
 
2014-01-31 03:15:01 PM  

CarnySaur: baconbeard: We're through the looking-glass here, people.

Or funhouse mirror.


...I didn't mean to...
 
2014-01-31 03:15:05 PM  

baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.


I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.
 
2014-01-31 03:17:49 PM  
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Does the Prince get to be "realistic", too?
 
2014-01-31 03:18:18 PM  
Fat people already have their own game, what more do they want?
static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-31 03:18:52 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: Holy jesus, this thread is depressing.

So people want girls with actual, realistic body shapes to be included in a style of film that provides role models for kids and early-teens. And y'all are responding with "OMG fattie fat mcfattersons everywhere go take your fat selves and jump off a cliff, you'll splash nicely at the bottom."

What the f*ck is this, a gathering of fashion magazine editors? Photoshop experts afraid of losing their jobs?

Obesity isn't healthy at all, but neither is girls eating a lettuce leaf and puking their guts out in the school bathroom so they can be as skinny as whoever the anorexic-of-the-month on the cover of Vogue is. "Plus-sized" these days is what used to be healthy and attractive until some c*ckwaffle decided that if you can't play the ribs like a xylophone you're a fatty and how can you possibly eat that whole half bowl of salad don't you know you're disgusting?

I'm all for more realistic body shapes in kids' films. A couple of curves here and there aren't a bad thing compared to a waist you can fit a bracelet around.


Yeah, no. Realistic body shapes look like shiat in animation. Even if you can make them detailed enough to not look like shiat, you end up with uncanny valley. If you want realism, watch something filmed, not animated.
 
2014-01-31 03:19:07 PM  

TheBigJerk: AngryDragon: TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time.  Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is

Change your chemistry yourself.  Seriously.

I know I will be vilified by this, but anyone who is obese needs to try a low-carb diet.  It sounds insane and I thought so too.  I've been on it for 2 years at the recommendation of my doctor.  What I know is that before I tried it I weighed 250 lbs, had hypoglycemia (my doctor thought I was pre-diabetic), was always hungry, couldn't sleep at night, had high cholesterol, and felt like shiat constantly.

After I adopted it, my cholesterol normalized, my blood sugar has been normal for 2 years, I'm never hungry, have tons of energy, sleep all night without a problem, my sex drive is back to what it was like when I was 18 (I'm in my 40s), and I feel generally terrific.  And I lost 70 lbs without trying.  No crazy workouts or starving myself, all I did was change what I eat.  I actually have trouble maintaining 180 lbs while eating 2500 calories a day.

Do yourself a favor and try it.

The term "Fatkins diet" does not refer to fat people who lose weight on it, it refers to people staying or becoming fat on it.

I need a way to make eating salad all week not  hurt.  Preferably without crystal meth.

/ridethesnake


Chicken and fish.
 
2014-01-31 03:19:23 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 600x600]

Does the Prince get to be "realistic", too?


I like this. Both ways, nice.
 
2014-01-31 03:20:28 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Keto here, too


Yeah.  Say "Keto" around here though and you may as well admit have dragged a handicapped child's kitten 10 miles behind your 4MPG SUV before driving through an abortion clinic.

The conversation never goes well
 
2014-01-31 03:20:56 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because everything else about the movies are so realistic.

/go be fat somewhere else.

I really hate to be a dick, but -- ^^^THIS^^^


Thread over.  Being fat isn't noble.  It's an outward sign you don't give a shiat*.


*95% of the time.  Yes, there are the medically-stressed that may not have much say in the issue.
 
2014-01-31 03:21:27 PM  
If you're 13 years old and consider Disney princesses as role models you got more problems than being fat.

But still put the dingle-hopper down Fatty.
 
2014-01-31 03:23:18 PM  

Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.

I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.


Right, I forgot, this is Fark. If you let your 7 year old girl dream of being a "traditional" princess, you've condemned her to a life of low self-esteem, bad relationships, and utter and complete subservience to men.
 
2014-01-31 03:23:35 PM  
comps.fotosearch.com
 
2014-01-31 03:25:29 PM  

TheBigJerk: I'm just hungry, all the farking time. Stomach-churning, stabbing-pains, thinking about food every five minutes HUNGRY every goddamned second I haven't just stuffed it full of heavy stuff.

Still, acceptance is not the solution, better chemistry is.

 
Hey Jerk, I'm really curious about your condition.  How long have you waited for the hunger pangs to go away, before giving in and shoving in something?  For me they seem to go away in about 20 minutes or 1/2 an hour if I just hold out.  You're describing an awful lot of strong "pain" though, which I don't have.  I find the occasional pang a sign that I might actually be burning more than I take in for a change.  This generally works well as a weight loss method when I'm overweight -- Just Eat Less -- and I continue to love and eat my carbohydrates, just fewer of them.

As someone else said, your report of real "pain" seems unusual.
 
2014-01-31 03:26:23 PM  

Friend_Computer: If you're 13 years old and consider Disney princesses as role models you got more problems than being fat.

But still put the dingle-hopper down Fatty.


Baaaaaahahahahaha!
 
2014-01-31 03:30:18 PM  
Can I just point out that if you're a high-school junior and you still watch Disney Princess films, you may have issues that are completely unrelated to your size? Or is this a chicken-and-egg thing, where your size causes you to have less social prospects so you sit at home watching Disney movies, but you sit at home watching Disney movies which leads you to have few social prospects which leads you to compulsively overeat to deal with not having a life?

In all seriousness, though, it's an animated cartoon that has a specific style that is completely unrelated to actual body issues. It's like having a problem with mickey mouse because real mice aren't bipedal. If you want to have a conversation about negative values in Disney movies, let's focus more on the unrealistic standards of love and relationships, combined with a low-grade undercurrent of misogyny that Disney promotes (you NEED a handsome prince to validate you, and that means you'll find your ONE TRUE LOVE and live happily ever after!).

Whats more, Disney also creates absolutely unrealistic expectations of what a man should look and act like. I mean, for farks sake, the only man alive with a chin broader than most Disney prince characters is Jay Leno. The funny thing is, I don't see men complaining about it. It's a stylized archetype, and whether you want to admit it or not, and whether you think it's right or not, the current trend for archetypal beauty is a slim woman. I don't think this is because pop culture pushes this on us, but rather because we push it on pop culture. I mean, Barbie, a leading pop culture icon, went to "more realistic proportions", and that had zero effect on the zeitgeist. None. No one cared. Why? Because most people rightfully understand that not everyone is going to be stick thin and that's a-ok and it's also ok to have idealized archetypes that don't look like anyone actually could in reality. Also because most of the women crusading for fat-acceptance and the use of plus-size everything aren't just unconventionally attractive or curvy or full-figured: they're outright obese, and most people don't find that terribly attractive. Sorry, ladies, but that's the harsh truth, and it's exactly the same in reverse. People are not attracted to men with huge beer guts that hang over their belt buckles either.

So I guess my point is, stop trying to force a top-down cultural change just because you have self-esteem issues. That isn't how these things happen. Culture starts at the bottom and is co-opted once it's established (trust me, I do marketing for a living. It's damn near impossible to force these kinds of things.) If you want to be accepted, you have to put in the hard work of making being fat cool, at which point Disney will make a fat princess. The question is, do we really want to make obesity (not "plus-size", which is a weasel marketin term to make you feel better about being fat, and not "curvy", which used to mean a woman with a few extra pounds and not someone who is 50+ pounds overweight) cool?

/Also, Lilo was chubby, though technically she's not a princess
 
2014-01-31 03:30:38 PM  
Yet another thread where Farkers magically do not follow national obesity percentages and everyone is thin and trim.
Internet anonymity strikes again.
 
2014-01-31 03:32:19 PM  

baconbeard: Far Cough: baconbeard: Far Cough: What DOES bother me is the farking "Disney Princess" concept as a whole.  Marketing aside, the whole conforming feminization and de-powering of girls is farking annoying.  Ohhh, who will be the next Disney Princess to be featured on the collectible doll set and pink birthday tablecloths.  Ugh.

I take it you haven't seen a Disney Princess movie since sometime in the 90's.

I take it you didn't read my post.  Yes, yes, each new "Princess" is more athletic and smart and independent than the last, but just as with the Bond movies it all comes back to which faces will be on the kids' pink lunch bag this year, and which costume the girls will play dress-up with.  I'm not making this up and I'm talking about girls in my own extended family and those I see elsewhere.  Disney DOES run CONTESTS about who the next "Princess" will be, and little girls damn well know what the traditional Princess role is, a role that has NOT changed, even if the newest "Princess" rides her own horse and has unkempt hair.

Right, I forgot, this is Fark. If you let your 7 year old girl dream of being a "traditional" princess, you've condemned her to a life of low self-esteem, bad relationships, and utter and complete subservience to men.


Make up your mind, dude, am I out of touch because I haven't seen all the cool new untraditional Princess movies as you claimed, or are the regular old traditional princesses A-OK as role models, rendering your Weeners pointless?

And by the way, yes, having little girls dream of being princesses is farking poisonous.  Little boys don't dream of being princes, because princes don't DO ANYTHING.
 
2014-01-31 03:32:27 PM  
Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

i.dailymail.co.uk

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?
 
2014-01-31 03:35:55 PM  
I'm old, overweight, bald and male.  I am OUTRAGED that Disney princesses don't reflect my demographic.
 
2014-01-31 03:36:19 PM  

tiamet4: Given that most plus sized models are normal, healthy women, I don't see the issue.  It would be nice to see some variety in the shapes and sizes of the heroines of stories aimed at kids.  It's not that morbidly obese should be considered beautiful or admirable but that the girl who doesn't have a waist she can fit one hand around should have to be the sidekick or the villain all the time.

I remembered appreciating Lilo and Stitch for having and cute, chubby but active little girl with a sister who was athletic and strong and not whispy.  I also liked the voluptuous Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  It was nice to see that for a change.  Why not this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x406]

Is it really going to make little girls obese if a Disney princess looked like the 2nd or 3rd drawing instead of always the first?


If smoking is taboo in media because they don't want to encourage the unhealthy habit, why should obesity be any different?
 
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