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2014-01-31 01:52:32 PM
Dmytro Bulatov, 35, a member of Automaidan, a group of car owners

I'm so confused.  Is that like a motorcycle gang but with cars?
 
2014-01-31 01:52:51 PM
Probably tied him to a chair and made him watch Barney.
 
2014-01-31 01:53:58 PM
I hope he has health care.
 
2014-01-31 01:56:02 PM
We're from the government, and we're here to help, ourselves, to your ear.
 
2014-01-31 01:58:36 PM
America is an awesome place. That is all.
 
2014-01-31 01:58:55 PM
This is likely the last we will hear of this.
 
2014-01-31 01:59:58 PM
 You can kill a man but you can't kill what he stands for. Not unless you first break his spirit. That's a beautiful thing to see.


Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him.


img.fark.net


Where are we going?

To show you what im capable of.

What the hell are you doing?!

God's work, what else?
 
2014-01-31 02:02:05 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-01-31 02:05:16 PM
You know usually when you say something like "The opposition is gonna crcify me over this",  you don;t mean it LITERALLY
 
2014-01-31 02:06:30 PM
Subby hit the nail on the head with the headline,  it took a moment for it to sink in though.
 
2014-01-31 02:06:42 PM

uncleacid:


That's my first though as well. 8 days, supposedly crucified, and those are all the injuries suffered? No dehydration? No early malnutrition?
 
2014-01-31 02:07:46 PM
♫ Stuck in the middle with you... ♫
 
2014-01-31 02:10:24 PM
Fark is one place where (I'm pretty sure), the paid russian propagandists and "will shill for putin simply out of generalized blind hatred of the USA, the EU, and/or gays" types that infest, say, the CNN comment section are unlikely to show up.

still, as somebody with deep stakes in this matter, I'd like to cut off a few myths and misperceptions before they get started (though probably some posts will get in earlier than mine).

1.  no maidan protesters are legitimately "fascist" by any real definition of the term.  Russian news media have been pushing the meme that the protesters are "fascist", based on a deep misreading of history and a willingness to characterize right-wing nationalist groups such as Svoboda as "fascist" even though pretty much all groups at maidan have a basic aim of a government that resembles those of modern liberal democracies in Europe.  The claim that the maidan is "fascist" is particularly ludicrous as it comes from Putin's camp, when Russia (along with Belarus) with its cult of personality, invented enemies, indistinguishability of government and corporate (gazprom) interests, while not fascist, are certainly as proto-fascist as you will find in europe today.

2.  "ukraine is a cleft country." This is something your political science professor told you 20 years ago based on his half a paragraph of understanding of the country.   while there are some east-west splits in Ukraine, they are far less than "want to sound smart" commentators make them out to be.  For example, age is a far predictor of political proclivities in Ukraine that geography is.  incidentally, the situation is just like it is in the USA in this regard.  No  person in either Ukraine or the USA talks of splitting the country (we joke about it of course) based on voting patterns.

3.  there is a difference between "russian" and "russian speaking."   Russsian speaking Ukrainians in general no more want to join Russia politically than the Irish want to become English.  This kind of has relevance to #2 above too, but the last 10 years of polling especially show conclusively that the citizens of Ukraine, either Russian or Ukrainian spekaing as their first language, solidly view themselves politically as Ukrainian only.  The "let's join russia" party in Ukraine got zero seats in the last parliament.

4.  "they voted for this guy, so they get what they deserve."  yanukovich's election was mostly fair on the day. mostly.  however, not so the subsequent verkhovna rada (parliament) elections.  those were MASSIVELY rigged both directly and through candidate suppression and media control.  wthout that rigged parliament election, yanukovich could not have done what he did.  therefore the claim that the current regime's actions are that of a legitimately elected government and so the populace should just grin and bear it don't hold water.

5.  "ukrainians will flood europe."  nobody but nobody is talking about schengen membership for ukraine in the near future.  this is a myth invented by pro-russian provocateurs to scare off european support and cloud the issue.

6.  "ukraine's economy is tied to russias".   They certainly have important partnerships, but as a percentage of GDP, Ukraine both imports and exports to/from the EU more than it does to Russia.  Ukraine's economy right now is more tied to the EU than it is to Russia.

7.  "Russian speakers in Ukraine are Russian."    Only a relatively small percentage of Russian speakers in Ukraine are actually ethnically Russian.  The majority are Ukrainian (or mixed).    Just like the majority of English speakers in Scotland are not English.   Again, liars try to confuse the issue by conflating "Russian speaking", "Russian ethnicity", and "Pro Putin" to somehow imply that the majority of Ukrainians are pro-Putin.  in fact, only a miniscule percentage are.

8.  Ok, the myths above are pretty clear.  here's a more subtle one: the maidan is NOT about EU membership.  It started as such, but that was just the kindling.  It's really about corruption.   Yanukovich's government is notoriously corrupt.   Businesses have been expropriated and competition marginalized.  If you go to 'Epicenter', the Yanukovich-oligarch-friend owned version of 'Home Depot', you will find prices up to three times that of a US home depot for cheap chinese and Ukrainian made copies.  Ditto supermarkets.  Ditto everywhere else.   Corruption has lead to a lack of free market and it has stifled and boxed in Ukrainians.   That the police and judges are corrupt doesn't help.  The corruption started before Yanukovich, but it has reached a crescendo under him, and this is what it's about.

9.  Yulia doesn't matter.  yes yes, ukrainian girls are hot. yes yes the babe has nice hair. but in ukraine few care about her any more but the few die-hards from her party.  most recognize her to be an irrelevant opportunist and basically a dishonest person, though certainly not a crook on the scale of Yanukovich's cronies.  Ukrainians in general want to put her in the past.

10.  "It's a CIA plot." This is self evidently ridiculous, but this is the kind of crap that people in Russia actually think.  A lawmaker in St Petersburg is protesting at the US consulate or whatever against "US meddling." the fact that Russia has active spies in the Ukraine government and has been involved in this at every level doesn't seem to agitate whatever cell of his body is responsible for detecting hypocrisy.  The US has provided a bit of moral support, but that's mostly it.  The EU has done even less, for fear of getting their gas cut off by pooty-poot.   What the EU should do is freeze Ukrainian oligarch assets.  While this has happened to a tiny degree in Austria, basically the EU is too chickensht to take an ethically correct stance.  But why should we be surprised - it's not like they havent had an open door to russian and arab blood money to find their football teams ...


we now return to your usual ukraine thread comments of "ukrainian babes are hot" and "ukraine is not weak" and so forth.
 
2014-01-31 02:12:53 PM
Poor Ukraine.  Before WWI, they were a part of Europe, with much trade with western European countries.  Will the Iron Curtain ever be lifted there?
 
2014-01-31 02:16:33 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Fark is one place where (I'm pretty sure), the paid russian propagandists and "will shill for putin simply out of generalized blind hatred of the USA, the EU, and/or gays" types that infest, say, the CNN comment section are unlikely to show up.

still, as somebody with deep stakes in this matter, I'd like to cut off a few myths and misperceptions before they get started (though probably some posts will get in earlier than mine).

1.  no maidan protesters are legitimately "fascist" by any real definition of the term.  Russian news media have been pushing the meme that the protesters are "fascist", based on a deep misreading of history and a willingness to characterize right-wing nationalist groups such as Svoboda as "fascist" even though pretty much all groups at maidan have a basic aim of a government that resembles those of modern liberal democracies in Europe.  The claim that the maidan is "fascist" is particularly ludicrous as it comes from Putin's camp, when Russia (along with Belarus) with its cult of personality, invented enemies, indistinguishability of government and corporate (gazprom) interests, while not fascist, are certainly as proto-fascist as you will find in europe today.

2.  "ukraine is a cleft country." This is something your political science professor told you 20 years ago based on his half a paragraph of understanding of the country.   while there are some east-west splits in Ukraine, they are far less than "want to sound smart" commentators make them out to be.  For example, age is a far predictor of political proclivities in Ukraine that geography is.  incidentally, the situation is just like it is in the USA in this regard.  No  person in either Ukraine or the USA talks of splitting the country (we joke about it of course) based on voting patterns.

3.  there is a difference between "russian" and "russian speaking."   Russsian speaking Ukrainians in general no more want to join Russia politically than the Irish want to become English.  This ...


It's terrible, but I can't get interested in this story.  Read that whole thing though, and now I feel more familiar with it.

Still.  I want to give more farks than I do.  And I just can't seem to pay attention when the story plays on NPR.  Donno why.  Probably too few hot Ukrainian babes.
 
2014-01-31 02:21:35 PM

Carousel Beast: uncleacid:

That's my first though as well. 8 days, supposedly crucified, and those are all the injuries suffered? No dehydration? No early malnutrition?


The other opposition leader ended up dead.

Are you  seriously suggesting he ran nails through his palms HIMSELF?
 
2014-01-31 02:23:44 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Fark is one place where (I'm pretty sure), the paid russian propagandists and "will shill for putin simply out of generalized blind hatred of the USA, the EU, and/or gays" types that infest, say, the CNN comment section are unlikely to show up.

still, as somebody with deep stakes in this matter, I'd like to cut off a few myths and misperceptions before they get started (though probably some posts will get in earlier than mine).

1.  no maidan protesters are legitimately "fascist" by any real definition of the term.  Russian news media have been pushing the meme that the protesters are "fascist", based on a deep misreading of history and a willingness to characterize right-wing nationalist groups such as Svoboda as "fascist" even though pretty much all groups at maidan have a basic aim of a government that resembles those of modern liberal democracies in Europe.  The claim that the maidan is "fascist" is particularly ludicrous as it comes from Putin's camp, when Russia (along with Belarus) with its cult of personality, invented enemies, indistinguishability of government and corporate (gazprom) interests, while not fascist, are certainly as proto-fascist as you will find in europe today.

2.  "ukraine is a cleft country." This is something your political science professor told you 20 years ago based on his half a paragraph of understanding of the country.   while there are some east-west splits in Ukraine, they are far less than "want to sound smart" commentators make them out to be.  For example, age is a far predictor of political proclivities in Ukraine that geography is.  incidentally, the situation is just like it is in the USA in this regard.  No  person in either Ukraine or the USA talks of splitting the country (we joke about it of course) based on voting patterns.

3.  there is a difference between "russian" and "russian speaking."   Russsian speaking Ukrainians in general no more want to join Russia politically than the Irish want to become English.  This ...


IF I may add one more point:

Whatever started this conflict, it is almost certainly being exploited by Putin.   Putin Needs Ukraine for the same reason every would be  Russian Imperialist since Peter the Great Needed it.  With the exception of Rostov, Russia has no warm water ports.   If Putin's dream of restoring Russia to Superpower status has even a chance of becoming reality, he needs Ukraine to be either formally part of Russia or a satellite/puppet state.  It the Same reason they've been so supportive of the "Russian Separatists" in Georgia
 
2014-01-31 02:29:14 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Fark is one place where (I'm pretty sure), the paid russian propagandists and "will shill for putin simply out of generalized blind hatred of the USA, the EU, and/or gays" types that infest, say, the CNN comment section are unlikely to show up....


That was helpful, thanks!

Do you think the corrupt government was responsible for driving nails through this guy's hands? Because if so, that's pretty terrible and maybe we should care. What did this guy do to piss them off so much?
 
2014-01-31 02:37:26 PM

NickelP: Dmytro Bulatov, 35, a member of Automaidan, a group of car owners

I'm so confused.  Is that like a motorcycle gang but with cars?


Here's an little article about them and him specifically from when he dissapeared.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-activists-automaidan/25241507.h tm l

Sounds kinda like the "trucker convoy" without being so douchy, remember it is cold there, cars are warmer.
 
2014-01-31 02:45:06 PM
If he's the leader, maybe we should make him a crown.  I'm happy to do it but all I got to use are these thorn bushes out back.
 
2014-01-31 02:47:12 PM

Rincewind53: Are you seriously suggesting he ran nails through his palms HIMSELF?


I dunno who did it.  All I know is he can't play rugby anymore.
 
2014-01-31 02:48:05 PM
Speaking of Jesus Christ and the Ukraine...

What did the Spanish priest say to the Ukrainian gynecologist?
 
2014-01-31 02:50:01 PM
Who genuinely thinks that something like this could NOT happen here in the US?

If you do, you're deluding yourself. All it takes is for the leaders to think that they're above the law and can't feel the sting of retribution for arrogance to set in (Oh wait... it looks like we're nearly there, what with Senators threatening to throw reporters off balconies in the capitol... and thinking he can get away with it)

And this is why the founding fathers said "Hey, how do we make sure that the government that we create doesn't one day go around doing shiat like this... and by this we mean torturing, imprisoning, and oppressing people as a general matter of course?"

Then it dawned on them that Standing Armies and secret police are how government's enforce a reign of terror on the citizenry... and that the best way to help stop this was to put weapons in the hands of the citizenry so that they can shoot and KILL the functionaries and leadership of the government if they must to preserve freedom and individual liberties.

Alexander Hamilton explained this in 1788
If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

In short... so long as we have firearms, we can always shoot and kill our govt if they get out of control. If they disarm us... well then, they're the only ones with the guns.

We should take this as a lesson, people. There but for the grace of good planning go we.

And yes, I'm sure we'll hear "Herpa derp! Gun knut!" or "But but but drones!"

I'm neither a gun nut, nor do I believe for a minute that drones can beat an uprising in the us if one happens. I worked in the Intel field for the USAF and NSA as  crypto linguist and as an intel analyst. The government knows that an uprising here would result in a disastrous loss for the federal government. They've run the numbers a LOT and they know this for a fact. But the one and only reason is because of gun owners.
 
2014-01-31 02:51:53 PM
Once you're past random sniper fire and molotovs, it's a slippery slope..
 
2014-01-31 02:52:28 PM
The human race once again proves unworthy of preservation.
 
2014-01-31 02:56:51 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: The human race once again proves unworthy of preservation.


WEll, then, it probably doesn't matter that this happened to this guy, then, since he too is a member of such a horrible race, huh?
 
2014-01-31 03:01:33 PM
Meisaims: Do you think the corrupt government was responsible for driving nails through this guy's hands? Because if so, that's pretty terrible and maybe we should care. What did this guy do to piss them off so much?

Thanks for the good words.  It's not clear to me (though I haven't followed it so closely) who did it, but i heard something that he identified his assailants as being "Russians", but it's not particularly clear how accurate this info is or what exactly it refers to.

More interesting is the case of Tetyana Chornovol (look her up), somebody that I know fairly well and who in a just world would be up for every award in the book.   She was beaten severely by guys *driving a Porsche Cayenne Turbo* The thing about Ukraine is that due to auto import taxes, cars with big engines cost at least double what they do in the west.   So, if you have a Cayenne Turbo, either you both have enough money to buy a cayenne and have enough political clout to get around the actually quite stringent auto tax regime or you have a LOT of money.  The people who beat her up clearly weren't just "a bunch of pro government thugs acting on their own."

it also stands to note that basically every "pro government" "counter protest" in ukraine consists of hungry and poor farmers and unemployed people paid to protest.  while this sounds like a conspiracy theory, it has been very well documented.  next time you see a picture of such a 'spontaneous' protest, note the identical machine made signs and the lack of any enthusiasm whatsoever from the out of place and dazed looking 'supporters.'  they typically get about UAH 100 ($12)  for a few hours of support.

a few other things:

you might remember yuschenko, the orange revolution guy who got poisoned by a compound that pretty much only today's KGB has access to.  his government was relatively ineffective. but this can largely be put down to the fact that the guy was deeply sick from the poisoning for at least the first year and a half.  nobody was prosecuted, nobody found out, but it's hard to come up with a theory that doesn't name putin's russia as the direct cause of that.  and yanukovich's rise to power can be tied directly to yuschenko's ineffectiveness.  this is a real life conspiracy theory that actually has a lot of legs.

Basically, if you took all the paranoid overblown nonsense that certain americans scream about the Obama administration between "theyz comin to take our freedumz!" and "fascism is coming to amerikka" and take off only the batshiat craziest stuff, you'd get pretty much the situation in ukraine now.   and no, if the ukrainians had guns, it would not have helped the situation any.  there would be the same 'philosophical' division and same basic arguments and tactics on both sides, but also a lot more dead people and a lot more excuse for heavy handed government repression.
 
2014-01-31 03:02:50 PM
Did not get a good look at the picture of the guy. My antivirus went farking haywire when that site loaded. Anyone able to post a pic?
 
2014-01-31 03:05:44 PM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Speaking of Jesus Christ and the Ukraine...

What did the Spanish priest say to the Ukrainian gynecologist?


Somaticasual: Once you're past random sniper fire and molotovs, it's a slippery slope..


Non-sequitur punchline for the win!
 
2014-01-31 03:06:27 PM
Bell-fan: Stuff


I fail to see the derp in this. Seems reasonable.
 
2014-01-31 03:06:45 PM

Meisaims: Bomb Head Mohammed: Fark is one place where (I'm pretty sure), the paid russian propagandists and "will shill for putin simply out of generalized blind hatred of the USA, the EU, and/or gays" types that infest, say, the CNN comment section are unlikely to show up....

That was helpful, thanks!

Do you think the corrupt government was responsible for driving nails through this guy's hands? Because if so, that's pretty terrible and maybe we should care. What did this guy do to piss them off so much?


I think it's that he resisted them and pointed out when they were abusing their power and using public funds to do things like hold multi million dollar parties complete with prostitutes and drugs. But hey, that'd just from the allegations that the protestors are making and which have been verified by NPR. And yeah we should care... because this is what governments do when you don't hold them accountable, they become corrupt and arrogant and think that it's THEIR money to do with as they please.
 
2014-01-31 03:08:00 PM

Bell-fan: I'm neither a gun nut, nor do I believe for a minute that drones can beat an uprising in the us if one happens. I worked in the Intel field for the USAF and NSA as  crypto linguist and as an intel analyst. The government knows that an uprising here would result in a disastrous loss for the federal government. They've run the numbers a LOT and they know this for a fact. But the one and only reason is because of gun owners.


I want to thank you for the funniest thing I've read all week.  Just goes to show, people who are really smart in one field arereally dumb in another.

If you'd like a little history lesson, here's one:
Not only did the Founders not consider "secret police" to be a problem because "secret police" in anything  approaching the modern sense didn't exist for another century, but their conception of a "standing army" was almost embarrassingly outdated. To give you an idea of what I mean by that, the largest European "army" at the time was pitifully small by comparison. The entire British military presence in the United States during the Revolutionary war never exceeded 40,000 men. The majority of those soldiers were mercenaries anyway.

The fact of the matter is that your little fantasy about an uprising resulting in a "disastrous loss" for the Federal Government is silly. See, we've had a number of uprisings in this country. We called the largest one of those "The Civil War," and while it was quite disastrous, it ended in a  decided victory for the Federal Government. But the biggest problem with your fantasy is that you seem to presume that every gun owner is going to simultaneously rise up against the government. But gun owners are not a massive bloc, and they're not all the same.

36% of Americans are gun owners. Of those gun owners, only around 50% identify as conservative. 22% identify as liberal, and 27% as moderate. This means that in your conservative fantasy, there are going to be massive numbers of the gun owners actually  joining with the federal government. Or if your particular fantasy is reversed politically, you'll have 50% of gunowners joining the government. And at least a quarter of those are just going to stay out of the fight entirely, or may join the government's side simply to maintain the status quo. Your magical uprising would be crushed within a short time, leading to  disastrous results amongst those who rebelled, and victory by the government.

In short, your theory is laughable, uneducated, and wrong. Good day, sir.
 
2014-01-31 03:08:31 PM

lennavan: If he's the leader, maybe we should make him a crown.  I'm happy to do it but all I got to use are these thorn bushes out back.


William Jennings Bryan can help
 
2014-01-31 03:09:52 PM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Bell-fan: Stuff


I fail to see the derp in this. Seems reasonable.


*shrug* yeah. I'm just trying to state the truth... that every freaking time people say "Oh that's horrible, I'm just glad that that _can't happen here_" That sure enough it starts happening THERE.

People just do not want to learn the lessons of history. That the moment you say it can't happen... that's when you get complacent and it starts happening.

*sigh*
 
2014-01-31 03:11:33 PM

Rincewind53: Bell-fan: I'm neither a gun nut, nor do I believe for a minute that drones can beat an uprising in the us if one happens. I worked in the Intel field for the USAF and NSA as  crypto linguist and as an intel analyst. The government knows that an uprising here would result in a disastrous loss for the federal government. They've run the numbers a LOT and they know this for a fact. But the one and only reason is because of gun owners.

I want to thank you for the funniest thing I've read all week.  Just goes to show, people who are really smart in one field arereally dumb in another.

If you'd like a little history lesson, here's one:
Not only did the Founders not consider "secret police" to be a problem because "secret police" in anything  approaching the modern sense didn't exist for another century, but their conception of a "standing army" was almost embarrassingly outdated. To give you an idea of what I mean by that, the largest European "army" at the time was pitifully small by comparison. The entire British military presence in the United States during the Revolutionary war never exceeded 40,000 men. The majority of those soldiers were mercenaries anyway.

The fact of the matter is that your little fantasy about an uprising resulting in a "disastrous loss" for the Federal Government is silly. See, we've had a number of uprisings in this country. We called the largest one of those "The Civil War," and while it was quite disastrous, it ended in a  decided victory for the Federal Government. But the biggest problem with your fantasy is that you seem to presume that every gun owner is going to simultaneously rise up against the government. But gun owners are not a massive bloc, and they're not all the same.

36% of Americans are gun owners. Of those gun owners, only around 50% identify as conservative. 22% identify as liberal, and 27% as moderate. This means that in your conservative fantasy, there are going to be massive numbers of the gun owners actually  joining  ...


I admit I always grin when I see your posts.

Mostly because they tend to be very thoughtful and well laid out, and, well. Pratchett's my favorite author of all time, so yeah.
 
2014-01-31 03:12:33 PM
Comrades!
We must help Ukraine throw off the shackles of colonialist imperialism and unite with the the People's Socialist Republic of Transnistria! Long live the Revolution!

References:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/9881038/Welcome-to - Transnistria-a-Soviet-breakaway-territory-in-Eastern-Europe.html?frame =2486299

http://www.yomadic.com/transnistria/
 
2014-01-31 03:14:10 PM

Felgraf: I admit I always grin when I see your posts.

Mostly because they tend to be very thoughtful and well laid out, and, well. Pratchett's my favorite author of all time, so yeah.


I do try.

I'm afraid I got a little over-snarky, for which I apologize to  Bell-fan. Not my usual style.
 
2014-01-31 03:15:55 PM

WTFDYW: Did not get a good look at the picture of the guy. My antivirus went farking haywire when that site loaded. Anyone able to post a pic?


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-31 03:18:06 PM

Felgraf: Agent Smiths Laugh: The human race once again proves unworthy of preservation.

WEll, then, it probably doesn't matter that this happened to this guy, then, since he too is a member of such a horrible race, huh?


Best just to wipe the slate clean, then nobody (human) suffers anymore.
 
2014-01-31 03:19:39 PM

WTFDYW: Did not get a good look at the picture of the guy. My antivirus went farking haywire when that site loaded. Anyone able to post a pic?


A better site http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/31/ukraine-protestortort u redsayshewas.html

The reason your antivirus went off is due to

webantivirusproject.nl

http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show_mobile?name=e-webantivirusproje c t.nl">http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show_mobile?name=e-webantiviru sprojec t.nl

Norton Safe Web has analyzed e-webantivirusproject.nl for safety and security problems. Below is a sample of the threats that were found.
Summary
Computer Threats: 3
Identity Threats: 0
Annoyance factors: 0

I have tried to block that site but it has many variants.
 
2014-01-31 03:23:23 PM
This guy actually has an arrest warranty out for him now for "participating in mass protests" or some crap like that.

Because having the crap beaten out of you puts you outside the law in Soviet / gang-lead Ukraine.
 
2014-01-31 03:27:26 PM

tjfly: America is an awesome place. That is all.


Dude, you live in a police state. American cops just shoot you dead, plant a gun on you, and take a little vacation--- or ship you off to Gitmo and show you real torture if aren't a citizen.
 
2014-01-31 03:30:54 PM

neversubmit: WTFDYW: Did not get a good look at the picture of the guy. My antivirus went farking haywire when that site loaded. Anyone able to post a pic?

A better site http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/31/ukraine-protestortort u redsayshewas.html

The reason your antivirus went off is due to

webantivirusproject.nl

http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show_mobile?name=e-webantivirusproje c t.nl">http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show_mobile?name=e-webantiviru sprojec t.nl

Norton Safe Web has analyzed e-webantivirusproject.nl for safety and security problems. Below is a sample of the threats that were found.
Summary
Computer Threats: 3
Identity Threats: 0
Annoyance factors: 0

I have tried to block that site but it has many variants.


Thank you for a better article and an explanation of the antivirus deal. I opened another link Wednesday on fark that did the same thing.
 
2014-01-31 03:32:40 PM

Bell-fan: Who genuinely thinks that something like this could NOT happen here in the US?

If you do, you're deluding yourself. All it takes is for the leaders to think that they're above the law and can't feel the sting of retribution for arrogance to set in (Oh wait... it looks like we're nearly there, what with Senators threatening to throw reporters off balconies in the capitol... and thinking he can get away with it)

And this is why the founding fathers said "Hey, how do we make sure that the government that we create doesn't one day go around doing shiat like this... and by this we mean torturing, imprisoning, and oppressing people as a general matter of course?"

Then it dawned on them that Standing Armies and secret police are how government's enforce a reign of terror on the citizenry... and that the best way to help stop this was to put weapons in the hands of the citizenry so that they can shoot and KILL the functionaries and leadership of the government if they must to preserve freedom and individual liberties.

Alexander Hamilton explained this in 1788
If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

In short... so long as we have firearms, we can always shoot and kill our govt if they get out of control. If they disarm us... well then, they're the only ones with the guns.

We should take this as a lesson, people. There but for the grace of good planning go we.

And yes, I'm sure we'll hear "Herpa derp! Gun knut!" or "But but but drones!"

I'm neither a gun nut, nor do I believe for a minute that drones can beat an uprising in the us if one happens. I worked in the Intel field for the USAF and NSA as  crypto linguist and as an intel analyst. The government knows that an ...


heh... you're a funny guy. Your citizen rebellion fantasy sounds like you've seen too many bad '80s films.

/on a related note, "We The People" meant "white landowners", especially the really wealthy ones
 
2014-01-31 03:38:53 PM

WTFDYW: Did not get a good look at the picture of the guy. My antivirus went farking haywire when that site loaded. Anyone able to post a pic?


Mine too. Man that was some serious malware attempt...
 
2014-01-31 03:40:08 PM
i1207.photobucket.com

I said, "no Russian".
 
2014-01-31 03:43:11 PM
I get it!
Good one, Subbynskie.
 
2014-01-31 03:54:51 PM
Eh, he would have looked worse after an encounter with US police
 
2014-01-31 04:35:56 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Fark is one place where (I'm pretty sure), the paid russian propagandists and "will shill for putin simply out of generalized blind hatred of the USA, the EU, and/or gays" types that infest, say, the CNN comment section are unlikely to show up.

still, as somebody with deep stakes in this matter, I'd like to cut off a few myths and misperceptions before they get started (though probably some posts will get in earlier than mine).

1.  no maidan protesters are legitimately "fascist" by any real definition of the term.  Russian news media have been pushing the meme that the protesters are "fascist", based on a deep misreading of history and a willingness to characterize right-wing nationalist groups such as Svoboda as "fascist" even though pretty much all groups at maidan have a basic aim of a government that resembles those of modern liberal democracies in Europe.  The claim that the maidan is "fascist" is particularly ludicrous as it comes from Putin's camp, when Russia (along with Belarus) with its cult of personality, invented enemies, indistinguishability of government and corporate (gazprom) interests, while not fascist, are certainly as proto-fascist as you will find in europe today.

2.  "ukraine is a cleft country." This is something your political science professor told you 20 years ago based on his half a paragraph of understanding of the country.   while there are some east-west splits in Ukraine, they are far less than "want to sound smart" commentators make them out to be.  For example, age is a far predictor of political proclivities in Ukraine that geography is.  incidentally, the situation is just like it is in the USA in this regard.  No  person in either Ukraine or the USA talks of splitting the country (we joke about it of course) based on voting patterns.

3.  there is a difference between "russian" and "russian speaking."   Russsian speaking Ukrainians in general no more want to join Russia politically than the Irish want to become English.  This ...


lol, wut?
 
2014-01-31 04:40:59 PM
While you were obsessing over Jennifer Lawrence probably.
 
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