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2014-01-31 10:27:38 AM

WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: Extraditing her will cause a political crisis.

How do you figure?

Do you really think people here are going to be ok with shipping her off to an Italian prison after their bizarre 3rd world justice system decided they were going to convict on a do over?

Do you actually think she's going anywhere? They will request extradition. The USA, due to our standards of justice (protection from double jeopardy) will simply deny the request. It's actually a perfectly acceptable thing to do according to the existing treaties that are in place. The end.


A rather experienced lawyer disagrees with your take.
 
2014-01-31 10:27:55 AM
walktoanarcade:
You're predictable.

Brave card.
 
2014-01-31 10:28:17 AM

walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: The American people are going to take it up the pooper on everything else without lube, but WILL absolutely throw everything thing away to defend the honor of attractive murderous poonawny aka Amanda Knox, you heard it from HotWingConspiracy first.

You don't seem to be quoting me here.

By jove, I think you're right!   "political crisis", really? ;)

Yes. The Italians will demand extradition, and we have a treaty with them. Politicians will be involved.

Are you really farking dim? Are you aware of what happened when we jailed an Indian diplomat the other day? In matters of crime, things escalate pretty quickly. Pride, prestige, and rule of law are powerful motivators.

You said "crisis" which it isn't and cannot be.

Because you say so. Keep in mind that you're dim.

Now, if we started another war, that might be a crisis.

Mmm yes, lets quibble over the definition of crisis. That'll be cool.

And you call "me" dim?

Yes. Tedious as well, which is pretty impressive after just a few posts.

That's all you got?  To call names again, and the same ol' name? ;)

I guess I could just make stuff up and attribute it to you. You know, like you did.

Let it go; you said something hyperbolic and stupid, then got called on it.

Ah, a projector as well. But nobody should ever assume you're a troll, you're just here to tell it like it is. You're going to show this here website a thing or two about straight talk.

You're predictable.


NO YOU
 
2014-01-31 10:28:55 AM
Can anyone prove that Justin Bieber didn't do it?
Send him over there.
 
2014-01-31 10:29:16 AM

knight_on_the_rail: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: The American people are going to take it up the pooper on everything else without lube, but WILL absolutely throw everything thing away to defend the honor of attractive murderous poonawny aka Amanda Knox, you heard it from HotWingConspiracy first.

You don't seem to be quoting me here.

By jove, I think you're right!   "political crisis", really? ;)

Yes. The Italians will demand extradition, and we have a treaty with them. Politicians will be involved.

Are you really farking dim? Are you aware of what happened when we jailed an Indian diplomat the other day? In matters of crime, things escalate pretty quickly. Pride, prestige, and rule of law are powerful motivators.

And then what? The great Italian-American war of 2014?


No.
 
2014-01-31 10:29:30 AM

HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: HotWingConspiracy: walktoanarcade: The American people are going to take it up the pooper on everything else without lube, but WILL absolutely throw everything thing away to defend the honor of attractive murderous poonawny aka Amanda Knox, you heard it from HotWingConspiracy first.

You don't seem to be quoting me here.

By jove, I think you're right!   "political crisis", really? ;)

Yes. The Italians will demand extradition, and we have a treaty with them. Politicians will be involved.

Are you really farking dim? Are you aware of what happened when we jailed an Indian diplomat the other day? In matters of crime, things escalate pretty quickly. Pride, prestige, and rule of law are powerful motivators.

You said "crisis" which it isn't and cannot be.

Because you say so. Keep in mind that you're dim.

Now, if we started another war, that might be a crisis.

Mmm yes, lets quibble over the definition of crisis. That'll be cool.

And you call "me" dim?

Yes. Tedious as well, which is pretty impressive after just a few posts.

That's all you got?  To call names again, and the same ol' name? ;)

I guess I could just make stuff up and attribute it to you. You know, like you did.

Let it go; you said something hyperbolic and stupid, then got called on it.

Ah, a projector as well. But nobody should ever assume you're a troll, you're just here to tell it like it is. You're going to show this here website a thing or two about straight talk.

You're predictable.

NO YOU


Should we kiss now?
 
2014-01-31 10:29:35 AM
From some of the things I've read, the Italian government is unlikely to even request extradition.
 
2014-01-31 10:29:36 AM
walktoanarcade: It's a message board with different opinions. You're trying to control what I read and what I type, seek help.

Or you know, you could chat with someone else.


/she's not going to let you bang her
Yes, as you see I am either an idiot or a troll.

FTFY.

In the end, the truth reveals itself, I suppose.
 
2014-01-31 10:29:44 AM
I really don't get how they got to try her again anyway.  Then THIS TIME, she was found guilty.  When the last time, she was found so innocent, that they set her free and allowed her to leave the country.

That should have been the end of it.  In this country, it would have been.

And I think that will be the legal precedent on which she will not be extradited.  If she was found guilty, and fled the country, then yeah, we would send her back.  But our laws here say, "if you've been tried, and found innocent, you cannot be tried again."  So, no matter the outcome, there is no reason for us to send her back.
 
2014-01-31 10:30:59 AM
I wonder if she'll have body gaurds to keep the press away while she is walking between classes.

/although I work on the UW campus I doubt I could pick her out of the crowds of students.
//unless she's the one with all the press and photographers after her.
 
2014-01-31 10:31:00 AM

Kit Fister: Say what you want about the American justice system, but this case is a prime example of why Double Jeopardy is a valuable thing.


No, you see ... I've been told that they call it something different over there, so it's totally NOT double jeopardy, even though she spent 4 years in prison during two trials, was acquitted, then allowed to leave the country before they decided they needed to try again because people were pissed.
 
2014-01-31 10:31:38 AM
Differing opinions sure do smart, eh?

Ow ow ow..;

Her story is unbelievable. She either helped or watched, albeit stoney-eyed.
 
2014-01-31 10:33:10 AM
It's Europe. Can't they just solve it with a good game of soccer?
 
2014-01-31 10:34:27 AM

nekom: Not to mention that this is a country that jailed geologists for failing to predict an earthquake. As much contempt I have for our own justice system, theirs is FAR worse, and demonstrably so. No way in hell I'd extradite anyone to Italy if it were up to me.


Don't forget legalizing raping women wearing jeans.
 
Ant
2014-01-31 10:34:56 AM

walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)


This attitude is really tiring, and I'm sick of hearing it. The only reason to defend someone is because you want to have sex with them? Talk about projection. Maybe the only reason you would speak in support of someone is because you want to bang them, but not everyone is you.
 
2014-01-31 10:35:38 AM

HotWingConspiracy: WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: Extraditing her will cause a political crisis.

How do you figure?

Do you really think people here are going to be ok with shipping her off to an Italian prison after their bizarre 3rd world justice system decided they were going to convict on a do over?

Do you actually think she's going anywhere? They will request extradition. The USA, due to our standards of justice (protection from double jeopardy) will simply deny the request. It's actually a perfectly acceptable thing to do according to the existing treaties that are in place. The end.

A rather experienced lawyer disagrees with your take.


So let's watch and see what happens. Am I correct, or the "rather experienced lawyer"? Let's make a bet!
 
2014-01-31 10:37:06 AM

Por que tan serioso: the8re: It's simple: if other countries won't extradite to the US because capital punishment, then we should refuse to export Amanda because FARK YOU THAT'S WHY! double jeopardy.

Except that, as has been stated many many many times, it is not double jeopardy. At all. According to American law. Or Italian.


Double Jeopardy protection kicks in the minute there is a verdict of Not Guilty.  So long as that verdict was made by a court which had jurisdiction at the time then that's it.

The only way this wouldn't be Double Jeopardy as the US defines it is if the higher Italian court overturned the Not Guilty verdict because the lower court was bribed or similar.  If there was a risk she could have been convicted (or was "in jeopardy") and then she wasn't then the protection stands.

walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.


4/10.  Might get a few nibbles, but anybody who spent more than about five minutes reading the details of the events is going to know better.
 
2014-01-31 10:37:14 AM
She's guilty. Guilty of being smokin' hot.
 
2014-01-31 10:37:15 AM

walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.


I watched a news magazine (20/20?) special on this case around the time that the appeal found her not guilty.  The case was absolutely batshiat insane.  The prosecutor has some kind of fascination with Satanic rituals and has a history of trying to tie cases to satanism.  It was a miscarriage of justice from start to finish.  Anything that makes me glad to have the US justice system is fatally flawed.
 
2014-01-31 10:37:41 AM

Ant: walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

This attitude is really tiring, and I'm sick of hearing it. The only reason to defend someone is because you want to have sex with them? Talk about projection. Maybe the only reason you would speak in support of someone is because you want to bang them, but not everyone is you.


No, but it's true in a lot of cases.  (see Casey Anthony)

People will do mental gymnastics to defend an attractive person, sometimes. And you "heard" my post? Neat!
 
2014-01-31 10:37:41 AM

WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: WinoRhino: HotWingConspiracy: Extraditing her will cause a political crisis.

How do you figure?

Do you really think people here are going to be ok with shipping her off to an Italian prison after their bizarre 3rd world justice system decided they were going to convict on a do over?

Do you actually think she's going anywhere? They will request extradition. The USA, due to our standards of justice (protection from double jeopardy) will simply deny the request. It's actually a perfectly acceptable thing to do according to the existing treaties that are in place. The end.

A rather experienced lawyer disagrees with your take.

So let's watch and see what happens. Am I correct, or the "rather experienced lawyer"? Let's make a bet!


Well it looks like we won't know for months anyway, and all of this is depending on whether or not Italy actually chooses to file the paperwork.

Also, don't forget about reciprocity. They don't have to play ball if we don't.
 
2014-01-31 10:38:17 AM

walktoanarcade: Differing opinions sure do smart, eh?

Ow ow ow..;

Her story is unbelievable. She either helped or watched, albeit stoney-eyed.


Time to start over. Fortunately it is a relatively new account.
 
2014-01-31 10:40:27 AM

mjbok: walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.

I watched a news magazine (20/20?) special on this case around the time that the appeal found her not guilty.  The case was absolutely batshiat insane.  The prosecutor has some kind of fascination with Satanic rituals and has a history of trying to tie cases to satanism.  It was a miscarriage of justice from start to finish.  Anything that makes me glad to have the US justice system is fatally flawed.


If she's innocent, then here's to hoping she has the brains to get some modest plastic surgery and disappear into the fabric of either Canada or the U.S.
 
Ant
2014-01-31 10:41:17 AM

walktoanarcade: No, but it's true in a lot of cases.  (see Casey Anthony)


Casey Anthony was a demonstrably horrible person.
 
2014-01-31 10:42:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Well it looks like we won't know for months anyway, and all of this is depending on whether or not Italy actually chooses to file the paperwork.

Also, don't forget about reciprocity. They don't have to play ball if we don't.


You're absolutely right. But there are two different arguments here, and we haven't even seen what ultimately happens with her latest appeal. Anyhow, it will be a while from now.
 
2014-01-31 10:42:50 AM

Moopy Mac: walktoanarcade: Differing opinions sure do smart, eh?

Ow ow ow..;

Her story is unbelievable. She either helped or watched, albeit stoney-eyed.

Time to start over. Fortunately it is a relatively new account.


I chat with plenty of people here and read lots of what they say and vice versa. I see no need to create another handle.    That others wrongly use the "troll" label to dismiss contrary doesn't scare me off.
 
2014-01-31 10:43:25 AM

jonas opines: walktoanarcade: It's a message board with different opinions. You're trying to control what I read and what I type, seek help.

Or you know, you could chat with someone else.


/she's not going to let you bang her
Yes, as you see I am either an idiot or a troll.

FTFY.

In the end, the truth reveals itself, I suppose.


Having noticed this guy and a few of his comments in a few threads for the first time yesterday, I've been wondering which of those was true. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably both; about 75% the former and 25% the latter. Either way he obviously adds nothing to the conversation, so why don't we all do the right thing and just put him on ignore, shall we?
 
2014-01-31 10:43:52 AM
Whoops, "contrary to their position,..doesn't scare me off."

Grow some thicker skin, some of you.
 
2014-01-31 10:45:08 AM

Por que tan serioso: the8re: It's simple: if other countries won't extradite to the US because capital punishment, then we should refuse to export Amanda because FARK YOU THAT'S WHY! double jeopardy.

Except that, as has been stated many many many times, it is not double jeopardy. At all. According to American law. Or Italian.


Source?
 
2014-01-31 10:45:18 AM

yukichigai: Por que tan serioso: the8re: It's simple: if other countries won't extradite to the US because capital punishment, then we should refuse to export Amanda because FARK YOU THAT'S WHY! double jeopardy.

Except that, as has been stated many many many times, it is not double jeopardy. At all. According to American law. Or Italian.

Double Jeopardy protection kicks in the minute there is a verdict of Not Guilty.  So long as that verdict was made by a court which had jurisdiction at the time then that's it.

The only way this wouldn't be Double Jeopardy as the US defines it is if the higher Italian court overturned the Not Guilty verdict because the lower court was bribed or similar.  If there was a risk she could have been convicted (or was "in jeopardy") and then she wasn't then the protection stands.

walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.

4/10.  Might get a few nibbles, but anybody who spent more than about five minutes reading the details of the events is going to know better.


Except that in her case there was never a not guilty verdict. Sooooooo....not double jeopardy. At all. Under American law. Or Italian.
 
2014-01-31 10:45:21 AM

walktoanarcade: Differing opinions sure do smart, eh?


Not at all, I feel rather satisfied.  I didn't assume anything about you until you incrementally showed what you were.  If anyone was to bother to read the series of exchanges, they'd see one person interested in thinking and one person determined not to.  Troll or fool, the reason doesn't matter anywhere near as much as the observable behavior.
 
2014-01-31 10:45:29 AM
When the world ends I'm moving to Italy.  It's still the 1980s there.
 
2014-01-31 10:48:49 AM

Tom_Slick: From some of the things I've read, the Italian government is unlikely to even request extradition.


I think this is the most likely scenario.  With the massively negative US reaction to several other Italian trainwreck court decisions (particularly jailing seismologists for not predicting an earthquake) Italy's diplomatic wing has to be scrambling to try and repair the damage that's done to the international image of their legal system.  I'm sure the willingness of other countries to let them handle things via their legal system is at an all-time low.  Asking the US to extradite someone for one of their more ridiculous court fiascos isn't going to help with that.
 
2014-01-31 10:49:08 AM

jonas opines: walktoanarcade: Differing opinions sure do smart, eh?

Not at all, I feel rather satisfied.  I didn't assume anything about you until you incrementally showed what you were.  If anyone was to bother to read the series of exchanges, they'd see one person interested in thinking and one person determined not to.  Troll or fool, the reason doesn't matter anywhere near as much as the observable behavior.


I matter so little you just had to tell me so. ;)

Unlike most of you, my manner isn't the same for every thread because every thread is different. I put far more work into some posts than others, that's for sure.
 
Ant
2014-01-31 10:49:25 AM

walktoanarcade: People will do mental gymnastics to defend an attractive person, sometimes.


It sounds like you're doing the opposite
 
2014-01-31 10:49:50 AM

nekom: HotWingConspiracy:
Do you really think people here are going to be ok with shipping her off to an Italian prison after their bizarre 3rd world justice system decided they were going to convict on a do over?

Not to mention that this is a country that jailed geologists for failing to predict an earthquake.  As much contempt I have for our own justice system, theirs is FAR worse, and demonstrably so.  No way in hell I'd extradite anyone to Italy if it were up to me.


Dafuq?

Surely you jest.

/not calling you Shirley
 
2014-01-31 10:50:29 AM

Jizz Master Zero: Having noticed this guy and a few of his comments in a few threads for the first time yesterday, I've been wondering which of those was true. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably both; about 75% the former and 25% the latter. Either way he obviously adds nothing to the conversation, so why don't we all do the right thing and just put him on ignore, shall we?


In general, I suspect that most trolls are also fools, because people tend to seek negative attention mostly when they're incapable of providing anything that allows them to receive positive attention.  Not absolute by any stretch of the imagination, but I suspect that it applies here.
 
2014-01-31 10:50:52 AM

Ant: walktoanarcade: People will do mental gymnastics to defend an attractive person, sometimes.

It sounds like you're doing the opposite


Are you calling yourself ugly?
 
2014-01-31 10:51:58 AM
I'd take a chance with her.  It might be epic, or I might get killed.  The odds are still in favor of a great time.  Crazy murderess sex.  Would you take that chance?
 
2014-01-31 10:53:01 AM

Kentucky Fried Children: If Knox was a smart girl, the minute she was released after the first jail stint she would've moved to a country with no extradition treaty with the Italians. But she didn't, and chose to stay in the US where we have a strong bilateral history of extradition with them.

Stupid.


This.

Either that or when she was released and found out that they were going to retry her, she should have started working and saving every penny she made so that when it appeared that a verdict was close she could have flown off to a country with no extradition to Italy with some money in her pocket.

But anyway, the U.S isn't going to extradite her, and the Italians are only going to push for extradition for show. What is probably going to happen is that the U.S and the Italians are going to work out a deal were she serves her sentence in an American jail under reduced charges and American sentencing standards. She will probably get time served credited for the time she spent in jail in Italy awaiting trial and won't serve anytime in an American jail.
 
2014-01-31 10:53:46 AM

Por que tan serioso: Except that in her case there was never a not guilty verdict. Sooooooo....not double jeopardy.


A not-guilty verdict isn't the only way jeopardy is attached.
 
2014-01-31 10:54:02 AM

Por que tan serioso: Except that in her case there was never a not guilty verdict. Sooooooo....not double jeopardy. At all. Under American law. Or Italian.


Her guilty verdict was over-turned and she was acquitted.  You are wrong.  http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/15/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox/
 
2014-01-31 10:54:29 AM

walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.


Is there some proof she was in the apartment at the time it happened?
 
Ant
2014-01-31 10:56:14 AM

walktoanarcade: Whoops, "contrary to their position,..doesn't scare me off."


Contrary, with good arguments is OK. Contrary with bad arguments, or contrary just for the sake of holding an opposing view is annoying.
 
2014-01-31 10:56:23 AM

mjbok: Por que tan serioso: Except that in her case there was never a not guilty verdict. Sooooooo....not double jeopardy. At all. Under American law. Or Italian.

Her guilty verdict was over-turned and she was acquitted.  You are wrong.  http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/15/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox/


From a different article:

In the immediate aftermath of Thursday's guilty verdict, many legal commentators and Knox's own legal team have consoled themselves with the notion that she is protected under the concept of double jeopardy - which is enshrined in the US Constitution.
That means she could not be tried on the same charge twice.
But, the US-Italy extradition treaty protects US citizens from prosecution in Italy only against crimes of which the defendant has been tried under in the United States' legal system.

This is not the case with Knox - who has gone through three trials, all in Italy.
Furthermore, Dershowitz doubts if Knox even qualifies for double jeopardy because she was found guilty first and her acquittal was heard in an intermediate appeals court.
'If that happened in the U.S., it wouldn't be double jeopardy,' he said.
 
2014-01-31 10:57:05 AM

sovietski: nekom: HotWingConspiracy:
Do you really think people here are going to be ok with shipping her off to an Italian prison after their bizarre 3rd world justice system decided they were going to convict on a do over?

Not to mention that this is a country that jailed geologists for failing to predict an earthquake.  As much contempt I have for our own justice system, theirs is FAR worse, and demonstrably so.  No way in hell I'd extradite anyone to Italy if it were up to me.

Dafuq?

Surely you jest.

/not calling you Shirley


If that's in response to the earthquake part, yes, Italy charged 7 earthquake scientists with manslaughter for not successfully predicting a quake that killed like 300 people.
 
2014-01-31 10:57:50 AM

sovietski: nekom: HotWingConspiracy:
Do you really think people here are going to be ok with shipping her off to an Italian prison after their bizarre 3rd world justice system decided they were going to convict on a do over?

Not to mention that this is a country that jailed geologists for failing to predict an earthquake.  As much contempt I have for our own justice system, theirs is FAR worse, and demonstrably so.  No way in hell I'd extradite anyone to Italy if it were up to me.

Dafuq?

Surely you jest.

/not calling you Shirley


http://bit.ly/1eDcMZB
 
2014-01-31 10:58:25 AM

mjones73: walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.

Is there some proof she was in the apartment at the time it happened?


Heh, so much for her defense that she was too stoned to notice anything(which is a lame excuse anyway).

Which is it? She had all her mental faculties and was somewhere else, or she was hopelessly drunk/stoned/otherwise drugged up and failed to notice a killing in the same room, or a nearby room.
 
Ant
2014-01-31 10:59:24 AM

Rapmaster2000: When the world ends I'm moving to Italy.  It's still the 1980s there.


Do you think they've discovered hypnosis-assisted repressed memory recovery yet?
 
2014-01-31 10:59:44 AM

walktoanarcade: mjones73: walktoanarcade: Someone REALLY wants to bang her. ;)

Anyway, there's no way she didn't know of or participate in the murder, and if the accused were a male or ugly woman, no one would care.

If the killing took place inside an epically huge mansion, then maybe I would believe her bullshiat story.

Is there some proof she was in the apartment at the time it happened?

Heh, so much for her defense that she was too stoned to notice anything(which is a lame excuse anyway).

Which is it? She had all her mental faculties and was somewhere else, or she was hopelessly drunk/stoned/otherwise drugged up and failed to notice a killing in the same room, or a nearby room.


Just asking, I didn't follow the case closely enough to know.
 
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