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2014-01-31 09:38:23 AM  
I'd mention very recent history.  But we're not allowed to do that anymore b-b-because of some guy.
 
2014-01-31 09:40:25 AM  
Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.
 
2014-01-31 09:41:48 AM  
All the Republicans hear is "Blah blah blah"
 
2014-01-31 09:42:01 AM  

Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.


Exactly, it was all white when they did it.  Now it's not O-Tay.
 
2014-01-31 09:44:25 AM  

Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.


Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.
 
2014-01-31 09:48:49 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.


This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.
 
2014-01-31 09:49:53 AM  

Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.


And we're not allowed to call out the ones who are because it's mean.
 
2014-01-31 09:50:33 AM  

cman: Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.


I'm wont to agree with you, because I feel that the GOP's biggest gripe with Obama's is being a Democrat not being black, but there is certainly a tinge of racism in some of the GOP's criticisms of Obama.
 
2014-01-31 09:50:45 AM  
Can someone please post up the number of Executive orders that the last three Administrations authorized? Because, as I recall, GW was awfully fond of them...
 
2014-01-31 09:52:01 AM  

Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.


You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.
 
2014-01-31 09:52:06 AM  
Ooops, hit "Add Comment" too early.

That said, hating the man simply because he's a member of the Democratic party is bigotry as well.
 
2014-01-31 09:52:06 AM  

hubiestubert: Can someone please post up the number of Executive orders that the last three Administrations authorized? Because, as I recall, GW was awfully fond of them...


I warned you.
 
2014-01-31 09:53:23 AM  

Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.


Not racist, but #1 with racists.

Their main problem is that he's a Democrat. They've viciously attacked every one of those since Carter.

Obama's being Blah just gives them an additional avenue to whip up hate against him and they haven't neglected using it.
 
2014-01-31 09:54:05 AM  

hubiestubert: Can someone please post up the number of Executive orders that the last three Administrations authorized? Because, as I recall, GW was awfully fond of them...


Link
 
2014-01-31 09:54:09 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.


Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.
 
2014-01-31 09:54:46 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: cman: Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

I'm wont to agree with you, because I feel that the GOP's biggest gripe with Obama's is being a Democrat not being black, but there is certainly a tinge of racism in some of the GOP's criticisms of Obama.


Indeed, there are racist people on the right. There are a lot of bigots on the right. However not everything is about him being black, which is what Hollie Maea thinks this is the reason why they are biatching at him for threatening to use executive orders.
 
2014-01-31 09:56:04 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.

You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.


It's a reflexive response to the irrationality of their...distaste...for Obama.  Worse than I've ever seen (though many disagree with that).

Their reactions and behavior leave us with two possible things to conclude:  Racism, or hypocrisy and flat-out dishonesty.  In some cases there's some overlap.

So if you rule out racism for some, we're left with the conclusion that they're assholes.

It's not a pretty picture.
 
2014-01-31 09:56:42 AM  
same with the "czars."

farking selective memory. how does it work?
 
2014-01-31 09:57:30 AM  

Kome: Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.


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2014-01-31 09:57:44 AM  

Diogenes: It's a reflexive response to the irrationality of their...distaste...for Obama.  Worse than I've ever seen (though many disagree with that).

Their reactions and behavior leave us with two possible things to conclude:  Racism, or hypocrisy and flat-out dishonesty.  In some cases there's some overlap.

So if you rule out racism for some, we're left with the conclusion that they're assholes.

It's not a pretty picture.


I'm thinking it's more about the polarization of this nation.  His skin color doesn't help, but I'm pretty confident they'd be making a lot of the same (wrong) arguments if the president looked like Reagan.
 
2014-01-31 09:57:46 AM  

cman: However not everything is about him being black, which is what Hollie Maea thinks this is the reason why they are biatching at him for threatening to use executive orders.


Or, you know, Hollie was exaggerating for humorous effect on Fark by highlighting a particularly pernicious aspect of the Republican party that is so blatantly obvious - a lot of it in recent years caught on tape or in photographs or in print - in spite of repeated denial by both Republican leadership and conservative media that it even exists. Because that's how I took it.
 
2014-01-31 09:58:44 AM  

Diogenes: cman: Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.

You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.

It's a reflexive response to the irrationality of their...distaste...for Obama.  Worse than I've ever seen (though many disagree with that).

Their reactions and behavior leave us with two possible things to conclude:  Racism, or hypocrisy and flat-out dishonesty.  In some cases there's some overlap.

So if you rule out racism for some, we're left with the conclusion that they're assholes.

It's not a pretty picture.


Indeed

GOP irrational hatred of Obama is the biggest threat to our nations security and stability.
 
2014-01-31 09:59:53 AM  

Kome: cman: However not everything is about him being black, which is what Hollie Maea thinks this is the reason why they are biatching at him for threatening to use executive orders.

Or, you know, Hollie was exaggerating for humorous effect on Fark by highlighting a particularly pernicious aspect of the Republican party that is so blatantly obvious - a lot of it in recent years caught on tape or in photographs or in print - in spite of repeated denial by both Republican leadership and conservative media that it even exists. Because that's how I took it.


Usually, when one plays the race card on the left on Fark, they are damn serious about it. They dont joke around with it.
 
2014-01-31 10:01:09 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Diogenes: It's a reflexive response to the irrationality of their...distaste...for Obama.  Worse than I've ever seen (though many disagree with that).

Their reactions and behavior leave us with two possible things to conclude:  Racism, or hypocrisy and flat-out dishonesty.  In some cases there's some overlap.

So if you rule out racism for some, we're left with the conclusion that they're assholes.

It's not a pretty picture.

I'm thinking it's more about the polarization of this nation.  His skin color doesn't help, but I'm pretty confident they'd be making a lot of the same (wrong) arguments if the president looked like Reagan.


Yeah, they've reached peak Rovian.  Divide the nation then blame the opposition for being divisive.  But that takes us back to hypocrisy and dishonesty.

So let's say race is a catalyst, or a weighting factor.  Or a foot in the door, at the very least.
 
2014-01-31 10:01:32 AM  

Kome: cman: However not everything is about him being black, which is what Hollie Maea thinks this is the reason why they are biatching at him for threatening to use executive orders.

Or, you know, Hollie was exaggerating for humorous effect on Fark by highlighting a particularly pernicious aspect of the Republican party that is so blatantly obvious - a lot of it in recent years caught on tape or in photographs or in print - in spite of repeated denial by both Republican leadership and conservative media that it even exists. Because that's how I took it.


For some reason the "smart" button doesn't show up on my iPad.  But if it did, I would press it.
 
2014-01-31 10:01:51 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: cman: Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

I'm wont to agree with you, because I feel that the GOP's biggest gripe with Obama's is being a Democrat not being black, but there is certainly a tinge of racism in some of the GOP's criticisms of Obama.


While there is certainly a lot of racially tinged commentary from private citizens, and support to various PACs and organizations, the leadership in the GOP hasn't made outright racist attacks on the President.

Taken money FROM folks who are outright racists, sure. But the leadership has more an issue with Obama derailing their clever plan to evicerate Hillary, and then flouting their plan to put Romney in office as an update to their plan to put a complicit Quaylebot 3000 into office.

He's a Democrat, and thus the root of all ebbil. They've established sides, and if'n he's a fer it, they's gots to be ag'in it. If Obama announced a CDC lab had a cure for all cancer tomorrow, there'd be hue and cry about putting chemotherapy job creators out of business, and how Un-American it would be to use such a cure. It's pure obstructionism, just looking for justifications, as opposed to fundamental differences in ideology or policy. It is politics as games play.
 
2014-01-31 10:05:30 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-31 10:05:30 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-31 10:09:24 AM  
It's so sad and predictable that every time criticism is raised against Barack Obama, it is to the same line of defense that liberals retreat: "Oh, the racists we must deal with. Oh, the GOP just hates him because he's black. Oh, oh, oh." And the truth is that nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that it is the liberals themselves who see Barack Obama's blackness as something to defend, something they must be ashamed of. It is like a short man who knows he is short and as a result becomes hypersensitive to the fact, imagines every chuckle, every rolled eye, every pat on the head to be somehow diminutive, demeaning, insulting. How terrible it must be to go through life riddled with such self-doubt and paranoia, such a desperate need to defend against every imagined slight. I feel sad for people such as this.

For it is not Obama's blackness that conservatives decry. Race is irrelevant. Conservatives are concerned with something that goes much, much deeper than race. They are concerned with the ineffable, inexorable quality of the man himself, the very essence of his character, those darkest recesses of his soul from which the fire of his intellect and honor takes root. It is his very heart that is at question, you see. Conservatives have looked deep into this man's eyes, as our former president did with Putin, but instead of steadfast conviction, they have seen only emptiness. A void. Because yes, it is true that all men are created equal. It is true. But within that equality there are the true men of greatness, those men who possessed that unfathomable, undefinable, unreplicable element that raised them up, made them more than just a man. That je ne sais quoi, for lack of a better term. Not to say that it's French, of course. Whatever it is, though, Obama does not have it, and without it he can never truly lead.

The irony here is that, in many ways, it would be better if this was about race. If it was only Obama's race that was a problem, we could hold seminars. Engage in sensitivity trainings. Possibly wear tinted glasses or explore surgical options such as what Michael Jackson once used. But no, it's not that simple. Because one cannot simply correct a quality that by its very essence cannot be defined. This...this is a failure of the man, not the man's skin. As such, it is therefore, and sadly, a failure of the whole.
 
2014-01-31 10:09:57 AM  

cman: Usually, when one plays the race card on the left on Fark, they are damn serious about it. They dont joke around with it.


Yea, with broad statements like that, it's hard to imagine why anyone would accuse conservatives of being prejudiced.
 
2014-01-31 10:11:01 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's so sad and predictable that every time criticism is raised against Barack Obama, it is to the same line of defense that liberals retreat: "Oh, the racists we must deal with. Oh, the GOP just hates him because he's black. Oh, oh, oh." And the truth is that nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that it is the liberals themselves who see Barack Obama's blackness as something to defend, something they must be ashamed of. It is like a short man who knows he is short and as a result becomes hypersensitive to the fact, imagines every chuckle, every rolled eye, every pat on the head to be somehow diminutive, demeaning, insulting. How terrible it must be to go through life riddled with such self-doubt and paranoia, such a desperate need to defend against every imagined slight. I feel sad for people such as this.

For it is not Obama's blackness that conservatives decry. Race is irrelevant. Conservatives are concerned with something that goes much, much deeper than race. They are concerned with the ineffable, inexorable quality of the man himself, the very essence of his character, those darkest recesses of his soul from which the fire of his intellect and honor takes root. It is his very heart that is at question, you see. Conservatives have looked deep into this man's eyes, as our former president did with Putin, but instead of steadfast conviction, they have seen only emptiness. A void. Because yes, it is true that all men are created equal. It is true. But within that equality there are the true men of greatness, those men who possessed that unfathomable, undefinable, unreplicable element that raised them up, made them more than just a man. That je ne sais quoi, for lack of a better term. Not to say that it's French, of course. Whatever it is, though, Obama does not have it, and without it he can never truly lead.

The irony here is that, in many ways, it would be better if this was about race. If it was only Obama's race that was a problem, we could ...


WHo'd you steal that from?
 
2014-01-31 10:11:37 AM  

Kome: cman: Usually, when one plays the race card on the left on Fark, they are damn serious about it. They dont joke around with it.

Yea, with broad statements like that, it's hard to imagine why anyone would accuse conservatives of being prejudiced.


...?
 
2014-01-31 10:15:02 AM  

Diogenes: So let's say race is a catalyst, or a weighting factor.  Or a foot in the door, at the very least.


I'd say race is a factor for hardcore racists, but for hardline republicans, it's because he's the opposition party.  Since 9/11 this country has just spun out of control, and each side getting increasingly more restless and angry at the other side.
 
2014-01-31 10:18:29 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.

You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.


In much the same fashion that you dismiss the left by making the broad, unsupported statement you just made?
 
2014-01-31 10:18:37 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.

You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.


You're in fantasy land again. It's way too early to be this high.
 
2014-01-31 10:18:56 AM  
Fainting goats have more stamina than the GOP
 
2014-01-31 10:20:07 AM  

cman: Kome: cman: However not everything is about him being black, which is what Hollie Maea thinks this is the reason why they are biatching at him for threatening to use executive orders.

Or, you know, Hollie was exaggerating for humorous effect on Fark by highlighting a particularly pernicious aspect of the Republican party that is so blatantly obvious - a lot of it in recent years caught on tape or in photographs or in print - in spite of repeated denial by both Republican leadership and conservative media that it even exists. Because that's how I took it.

Usually, when one plays the race card on the left on Fark, they are damn serious about it. They dont joke around with it.


**ERROR** Post contains phrase "race card" - invalid syntax. Please resend in Adult English.
 
2014-01-31 10:20:48 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.


It actually has been working great.
 
2014-01-31 10:21:07 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Since 9/11 this country has just spun out of control, and each side getting increasingly more restless and angry at the other side.


Except on one side, one party was ticked at the other for lying to get us into wars that has cost us billions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and tens of thousands of innocent lives in the countries we invaded in spite of massive protestations by the general public that we did not want to go to war. On the other, one party is ticked at the other for wanting to make sure every American has access to health care as a means to both save the country some money and to save American lives in spite of massive support the idea has garnered from the general public.

You know, sure, they're both angry at each other. But quantitatively and qualitatively, the anger is dramatically different. One is arguably much more justified than the other. "Hey, I'm mad you punched that guy in the face" and "Hey, I'm mad you gave that guy with diabetes some insulin so his foot doesn't fall off" aren't really equivalent enough to try to pin this entirely on "well, this is what the opposition party just does."
 
2014-01-31 10:21:28 AM  

cman: Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot.


Irrationaly?
 
2014-01-31 10:21:30 AM  

jso2897: cman: Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.

You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.

In much the same fashion that you dismiss the left by making the broad, unsupported statement you just made?


Touche
 
2014-01-31 10:21:36 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

This may shock you, but my job description is not "Independent outreach coordinator for the Democratic Party".

And no, not everyone on the right is a bigot. But a hell of a lot of them are, and the Republican Party panders to them.

You're right. You represent a normal Democrat. Normal Democrats like to dismiss the right outright by screaming "racism" at everything.


Wait... Are you complaining that Democrats make generalizations about Republicans by making a generalization about Democrats?

Whiplash can be a serious medical condition. You should have yourself checked out. I am concerned about you.
 
2014-01-31 10:22:06 AM  

Kome: RedPhoenix122: Since 9/11 this country has just spun out of control, and each side getting increasingly more restless and angry at the other side.

Except on one side, one party was ticked at the other for lying to get us into wars that has cost us billions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and tens of thousands of innocent lives in the countries we invaded in spite of massive protestations by the general public that we did not want to go to war. On the other, one party is ticked at the other for wanting to make sure every American has access to health care as a means to both save the country some money and to save American lives in spite of massive support the idea has garnered from the general public.

You know, sure, they're both angry at each other. But quantitatively and qualitatively, the anger is dramatically different. One is arguably much more justified than the other. "Hey, I'm mad you punched that guy in the face" and "Hey, I'm mad you gave that guy with diabetes some insulin so his foot doesn't fall off" aren't really equivalent enough to try to pin this entirely on "well, this is what the opposition party just does."


I didn't say all the anger was unjustified.  I'm just saying we're being played.
 
2014-01-31 10:22:10 AM  
Oblahma needs to remember everything bad with America started in January of 2009.

-Iraq War
-Income Inequality
-Ghey
-Secular Government
-Black Presidents
-Photo Ops
-Umbrellas
-Divorce Rates
-Welfare
-Food Stamps
-Minorities wantin' education
 
2014-01-31 10:22:30 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.

It actually has been working great.


This - perhaps he should try reading some polls that haven't been unskewed.
 
2014-01-31 10:22:45 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Since 9/11 this country has just spun out of control, and each side getting increasingly more restless and angry at the other side.


So you're saying both sides are bad?
 
2014-01-31 10:23:34 AM  

Kome: RedPhoenix122: Since 9/11 this country has just spun out of control, and each side getting increasingly more restless and angry at the other side.

Except on one side, one party was ticked at the other for lying to get us into wars that has cost us billions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and tens of thousands of innocent lives in the countries we invaded in spite of massive protestations by the general public that we did not want to go to war. On the other, one party is ticked at the other for wanting to make sure every American has access to health care as a means to both save the country some money and to save American lives in spite of massive support the idea has garnered from the general public.

You know, sure, they're both angry at each other. But quantitatively and qualitatively, the anger is dramatically different. One is arguably much more justified than the other. "Hey, I'm mad you punched that guy in the face" and "Hey, I'm mad you gave that guy with diabetes some insulin so his foot doesn't fall off" aren't really equivalent enough to try to pin this entirely on "well, this is what the opposition party just does."


Afghanistan war was more than justified. Giving safe haven to a man who funded terrorist attacks against us is something we could not ignore
 
2014-01-31 10:23:44 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.


i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-31 10:23:50 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: hubiestubert: Can someone please post up the number of Executive orders that the last three Administrations authorized? Because, as I recall, GW was awfully fond of them...

Link


I was assured that it wasn't the number of executive orders, but the content of them.

Of course, when challenged on which ones were bad, the poster fled the thread, but clearly, he must be right.
 
2014-01-31 10:24:42 AM  

cman: Hollie Maea: Those presidents were white, though. Every one of them.

Thats a good way to bring Independents to vote for your causes. Just irrationally call everyone on the right a bigot. Thats the key to winning elections.


The difficulty for you is that it's actually not always irrational, and is more than counterbalanced by the steady stream of entirely irrational and often conflicting accusations (Marxist, Muslim, America-hater, anti-colonialist, Stalinist, dictator, communist, socialist, to name but a few) that flow from the right.
 
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