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(WTOP)   American Psychiatric Association spins wheel, invents the next disorder that drug companies can start marketing to you: "Caffeine Use Disorder"   (wtop.com) divider line 20
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2014-01-31 09:34:36 AM  
5 votes:
PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?
2014-01-31 09:33:57 AM  
4 votes:
I don't see the point in creating a new disorder for it. Addiction sufficiently covers what they're describing here, I'd say.
2014-01-31 10:55:51 AM  
2 votes:

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


It's illegal basically EVERYWHERE expcet the US and...one other country? Denmark or the Netherlands or something because a couple big pharma companies have HQs there.

It's absolutely asinine.

Diogenes: He is also brutal on the visiting pharma reps.  Hates them like poison.  I saw him eviscerate one once.  Guy just strolled through the waiting area and right back into the offices and exam rooms.  "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!"  Guy was white as a sheet when he slinked out of the building.


I loved the doctor I worked for for the same reason- we were vascular surgery and as such dealt with the "blood chemicals" drugs on a daily basis, along with their reps. Without fail, every week a pretty blonde twentysomething would walk into the office thinking "vascular? this sale's already made, booyah!" and the conversation would invariably go something like this:

Rep: We have this new drug...
Dr: (interrupting) Ok fine, show me the data on your clinical trials vs what I currently prescribe for the same problem.
Rep: Um...I'm not sure I have...
Dr: You don't have any data? No numbers or trials to support your marketing dept's claim that this drug performs better than the one I've been prescribing with good results for my patients for years? Why should I start, then?
Rep: Um, well, this chart here...
Dr: ...is not pertinent to this discussion; that chart describes platelet accumulation under the influence of another drug in constricted or calcified veins under low blood pressure. Are you telling me you don't even know how to read your own materials?
Rep: Um, well...
Dr: Um,well, you better come back with some real answers, all you've done today is irritate me and waste my time.

/reps are only good for the free food
2014-01-31 09:45:12 AM  
2 votes:

grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


Yep.  My doctor has never slapped his head during a visit and said, "You know what?  There's a drug you need that totally escaped me until I saw this ad on TV last night!"

He is also brutal on the visiting pharma reps.  Hates them like poison.  I saw him eviscerate one once.  Guy just strolled through the waiting area and right back into the offices and exam rooms.  "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!"  Guy was white as a sheet when he slinked out of the building.

I love my doctor.
2014-01-31 09:44:48 AM  
2 votes:
I worry more now about people with the disorder known as:

Hyper
Involuntary
Panic
Stress
Tension
Elevation
Response

because they drink large amounts of caffeine too.
2014-01-31 09:01:36 AM  
2 votes:
Not a "disorder", it's a "quality of life" issue.
2014-01-31 01:17:05 PM  
1 votes:
The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.
2014-01-31 12:58:05 PM  
1 votes:
grinding-journalist

PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


Warning! Common sense thinking like that, Sir, will undermine the entire socio-economic base major businesses and their lawyers depend on. You cannot be allowed to spread the concept of Intelligent Consideration.
________

Many of you are probably not old enough to recall the time when caffeine or caffeine-like substances were added to nearly everything possible to give you that energy kick. It started in the 70's, after the economic crisis when folks were having to work harder and harder because Saudi Arabia had managed to shake the global economy by initiating the oil catastrophe.

It created a whole new merchandising factor in the form of Energy Drinks, or -- legal speed.

Prior to that, only one or two soft drinks had caffeine added, mainly Mountain Dew. Afterwards you had to carefully study the soda to find versions which did not have the stuff added. I mean, like pre-teens and teens, the target consumers, did not already have enough natural energy to cope with.

Just before that, soda machines were allowed into schools, under the understanding that sales of the product would help boost their income since the government, naturally, responding to the economic crisis, slashed the educational budgets.

Energy drinks just flourished after the first few managed to make it past the FDA. Though, they were helped along by the Great Coffee Crisis in the 80s, when suddenly it seemed there was a problem with global coffee bean producers, which doubled the cost of a pound of coffee.

By then it had been discovered that large amounts of caffeine could be delivered in scores of other products.

This created a new niche for companies to pile into with caffeine bearing products, including herbal versions -- the latter being considered 'organic' and presumably 'natural' and better for you.

Any form of artificial stimulant can become both physically and psychologically addicting. Any stimulant can affect people with a host of medical conditions ranging from the mild to the serious. There's a great range of psychological conditions which, while usually mild and not requiring treatment, can form a dependency on a nonprescription stimulant.

Naturally, there will be those businesses which will take advantage of this and promptly supply the masses with all they can handle and advertise the krap out of the products to make them seem even more appealing and safe.

A good example of this are your tobacco, booze and automobile industries.

Eventually, yeah, a new psychological condition will develop. Prior to the explosion of Super models, we never heard of Anorexia or Bulimia. When professional sports became a multi-billion dollar a year industry, suddenly we started hearing about steroids.

Don't forget that time, somewhere in the 80's, when anything herbal was the rage and folks started consuming various herbs in amounts which could cause harm. Not too many herbalists bothered to inform clients of the potential for abuse. Businesses jumped in selling packaged herbs and herbs in pill form.

Caffeine could and would be added to some for that energy 'kick' to bring the customers back. Yet, herbal products are not regulated by the FDA.

The increased use of the Internet promptly sprouted a mess of 'legal speed' sites ranging from herbs to pills.

So, across the span of less than 40 years, people grew up consuming stimulants the previous generation had never used.

Now it's been anchored both financially and traditionally into the culture.

Note: back when soft drinks were just catching on to caffeine, most kids were not allowed to drink coffee (an Adult drink). Their parents never realized that bottle of sweet soda they readily bought for the kids to guzzle held more caffeine per cup than brewed coffee.

More food for thought: as the caffeine/artificial stimulant consumption rose, so did ADD. A connection?
2014-01-31 11:25:08 AM  
1 votes:
Is this a "good drugs" disorder? Like, if I have it, will somebody prescribe me Xanax and Vicodin at the same time? If so, I'm all for pushing it into the mainstream.
2014-01-31 10:57:27 AM  
1 votes:
This is old news. I was diagnosed with that several years ago, and my doctor prescribed Caffeine Usage Neutralization Therapy.
2014-01-31 10:44:20 AM  
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


When there are multiple drugs of comparable effectiveness and the patient just needs a drug, doctors will typically proscribe the cheaper one, because there's no real point in having people arbitrarily pay more for the same thing (even if you're one of the "everything's a sinister insurance company conspiracy" type of people that think doctors are evil... they don't get a cut of that, so ...).

However, if the drugs are of comparable effectiveness and the patient  specifically requests a more expensive one by name, the majority of the time a doctor will just give you that one, because (1) Placebo effect always helps so if you seem to feel confident in that one it can actually help the drug work and (2) especially at a large hospital, doctors tend not to have the hour to waste explaining to you the whole "it's the same, buy the cheaper one" deal and even if they did the idiot patients would then get pissy about being charged for a longer consult.

So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you  do need them.  Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you  do buy a car.
2014-01-31 10:44:00 AM  
1 votes:
I miss the days when mild psychiatric disorders were considered character flaws, not disabilities.
2014-01-31 10:28:46 AM  
1 votes:

mrEdude: plants the earth deems important enough to grow.


Dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Go smoke some of the other things the  "earth deemed important enough to grow" that will kill you. Farking moron.
2014-01-31 10:14:02 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.
2014-01-31 10:05:55 AM  
1 votes:
If this means my coffee habit will be covered by my insurance, I'll be happy to be diagnosed with this "condition".

Well, unless Big Pharm insists I have to drink the most expensive brew available. If I have to start every morning with a big steaming cup of cat poop coffee, I'm going to develop a whole new set of neuroses.
2014-01-31 09:50:45 AM  
1 votes:
So, what you're saying is, it's not normal to drink a pot of coffee and be able to promptly go to sleep and sleep like a baby?
2014-01-31 09:44:50 AM  
1 votes:
I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs
2014-01-31 09:43:03 AM  
1 votes:
Legit disorder or not, there's something wrong with people who claim they can't be civil until they have their morning coffee.
2014-01-31 08:44:24 AM  
1 votes:
I think I'm terminal.
2014-01-31 08:15:55 AM  
1 votes:
Please don't submit these kinds of articles before I have had my first cup of coffee.
 
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