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(WTOP)   American Psychiatric Association spins wheel, invents the next disorder that drug companies can start marketing to you: "Caffeine Use Disorder"   (wtop.com) divider line 115
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2014-01-31 12:55:13 PM

Jim_Callahan: So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you do need them. Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you do buy a car.


How many of these drug commercials do you see them comparing themselves to their competition? How many car ads do you see that do this?
 
2014-01-31 12:58:05 PM
grinding-journalist

PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


Warning! Common sense thinking like that, Sir, will undermine the entire socio-economic base major businesses and their lawyers depend on. You cannot be allowed to spread the concept of Intelligent Consideration.
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Many of you are probably not old enough to recall the time when caffeine or caffeine-like substances were added to nearly everything possible to give you that energy kick. It started in the 70's, after the economic crisis when folks were having to work harder and harder because Saudi Arabia had managed to shake the global economy by initiating the oil catastrophe.

It created a whole new merchandising factor in the form of Energy Drinks, or -- legal speed.

Prior to that, only one or two soft drinks had caffeine added, mainly Mountain Dew. Afterwards you had to carefully study the soda to find versions which did not have the stuff added. I mean, like pre-teens and teens, the target consumers, did not already have enough natural energy to cope with.

Just before that, soda machines were allowed into schools, under the understanding that sales of the product would help boost their income since the government, naturally, responding to the economic crisis, slashed the educational budgets.

Energy drinks just flourished after the first few managed to make it past the FDA. Though, they were helped along by the Great Coffee Crisis in the 80s, when suddenly it seemed there was a problem with global coffee bean producers, which doubled the cost of a pound of coffee.

By then it had been discovered that large amounts of caffeine could be delivered in scores of other products.

This created a new niche for companies to pile into with caffeine bearing products, including herbal versions -- the latter being considered 'organic' and presumably 'natural' and better for you.

Any form of artificial stimulant can become both physically and psychologically addicting. Any stimulant can affect people with a host of medical conditions ranging from the mild to the serious. There's a great range of psychological conditions which, while usually mild and not requiring treatment, can form a dependency on a nonprescription stimulant.

Naturally, there will be those businesses which will take advantage of this and promptly supply the masses with all they can handle and advertise the krap out of the products to make them seem even more appealing and safe.

A good example of this are your tobacco, booze and automobile industries.

Eventually, yeah, a new psychological condition will develop. Prior to the explosion of Super models, we never heard of Anorexia or Bulimia. When professional sports became a multi-billion dollar a year industry, suddenly we started hearing about steroids.

Don't forget that time, somewhere in the 80's, when anything herbal was the rage and folks started consuming various herbs in amounts which could cause harm. Not too many herbalists bothered to inform clients of the potential for abuse. Businesses jumped in selling packaged herbs and herbs in pill form.

Caffeine could and would be added to some for that energy 'kick' to bring the customers back. Yet, herbal products are not regulated by the FDA.

The increased use of the Internet promptly sprouted a mess of 'legal speed' sites ranging from herbs to pills.

So, across the span of less than 40 years, people grew up consuming stimulants the previous generation had never used.

Now it's been anchored both financially and traditionally into the culture.

Note: back when soft drinks were just catching on to caffeine, most kids were not allowed to drink coffee (an Adult drink). Their parents never realized that bottle of sweet soda they readily bought for the kids to guzzle held more caffeine per cup than brewed coffee.

More food for thought: as the caffeine/artificial stimulant consumption rose, so did ADD. A connection?
 
2014-01-31 01:00:35 PM

IronJelly: I have two serious questions: Does having this disorder qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?  Would quitting Caffeine qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?


Yes.
 
2014-01-31 01:04:10 PM

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.


Maybe I'm wildly ahead of the curve here, but I find it pretty mock-worthy to not already understand that caffeine is addictive. Newly discovered affliction? Wat? Caffeine addiction is nothing compared to heroin or smoking, but it is still clearly a thing. It's habitual, it has noticeable withdrawal symptoms, and it's easy to slip back into once you've quit.

The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.
 
2014-01-31 01:17:05 PM
The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.
 
2014-01-31 01:27:49 PM

bump: The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.


That's not dismissing addictiveness, I mean it's unlikely for drug companies to develop a methadone style ramp-down for caffeine withdrawal. Aspirin to deal with the symptoms is usually all it takes, so there's no market for them to develop anything more intensive.
 
2014-01-31 01:59:11 PM
My wife has always been amazed that I can drink coffee before bed and fall asleep almost immediately. And that I can get up on Saturday, eat a big breakfast and drink half a pot or more and then go take a nap. Or doze off with a cup in my hand. I'm sure it's genetic, my 85 year old mother does it, and her mother did it until she passed away at the tender age of 101. Grandma told stories about when she was growing up on the farm, starting the day off and ending it with coffee, that it was hard to get during WW1 and the Depression, many many coffee stories. She probably drank coffee on a daily basis for close to 90 years. My mom has been doing the same for 70+ years. It's an addiction I'm perfectly happy to have.
 
2014-01-31 02:15:12 PM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?



Usually it involves a flight of stairs.

Oh, nope, wait that's abortion, got my wires crossed.

You turn put Justin Bieber on repeat that's exacerbating
 
2014-01-31 04:16:59 PM
I avoided caffeine when pregnant - history of miscarriage and mid term loss.

First thing after giving birth was the sound of me calling for tea.

/ With no 4 daughter, they asked if I could wait until they had finished stitching me up post C-section.
// I said no...but they made me.
/// No 5 well, both he and I came close to death during surgery. But after we both were okay - tea please?
//// MOAR TEA
 
2014-01-31 05:30:50 PM

optimistic_cynic: Jim_Callahan: So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you do need them. Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you do buy a car.

How many of these drug commercials do you see them comparing themselves to their competition? How many car ads do you see that do this?


Quite a few for both.
/ priloc vs nexium
/ Ford vs Honda
/ ad nauseum
 
2014-01-31 05:58:32 PM

Kit Fister: So, what you're saying is, it's not normal to drink a pot of coffee and be able to promptly go to sleep and sleep like a baby?


Not abnormal, that's just good planning - the caffeine helps you sleep faster.
 
2014-01-31 06:58:17 PM

bump: The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.


Interesting, mine was adamant about gradually decreasing my dose. Still had the shakes for a few days, though.
 
2014-01-31 09:14:13 PM
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STICK IT IN THE VEIN!!!!!!
 
2014-01-31 10:48:36 PM

bump: The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.


Holy buckets.  I took Paxil 20 mg for years, and every time I tried to cut down the dose during that time I would turn into a monster.  Getting off that crap was only easy because it was replaced by Celexa.  Cold turkey on 60 mg??  I am so sorry.  I remember when I missed a single dose of Paxil I would feel dizzy and get farking electric shocks or something coursing through my body.  Fark Paxil, and fire that doctor.

/lost weight when I switched
//missing a dose of Celexa by accident doesn't make me want to kill myself either
 
2014-02-01 01:38:41 PM

mama2tnt: dok9874: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.

Butthead couldn't manage to find "decaf" ANYTHING while I was pregnant with his monster, so the baby's kidneys output so much liquid not only did it nearly end up killing me, the baby was born with a potassium deficiency.


Wow.  I didn't know water was caffeinated.  And that he forced you to drink caffeinated stuff.  But that begs the question:  Why on earth didn't you go shop for yourself in that entire 9 months?
 
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