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2014-01-31 10:33:02 AM  

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


I've read that it's illegal almost everywhere, save for the US and New Zealand.
 
2014-01-31 10:33:47 AM  

Onkel Buck: mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,

You sound like you could use a pill for all that negativity


A gramme is better than a damn.
 
2014-01-31 10:36:04 AM  

mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,



Did something harsh your mellow?   Chill,   have a bong hit.
 
2014-01-31 10:36:17 AM  
BRB, guys, anybody want something from Starbucks?

"Caffeine makes my neurons twinkle" -- Bonnie McCafferty, Chicago Tribune.
 
2014-01-31 10:38:08 AM  

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.


Strangely, I want to agree and disagree, take you seriously and accuse you of riding Poe's Law like a whipped horse.

So...good job, I guess.
 
2014-01-31 10:39:40 AM  
if this means I might hurt you before I get two cups of coffee this is what I have
 
2014-01-31 10:40:04 AM  

Sliding Carp: BRB, guys, anybody want something from Starbucks?

"Caffeine makes my neurons twinkle" -- Bonnie McCafferty, Chicago Tribune.


No thanks. I've already got an ice-coffee with ice-cubes made out of coffee. Seriously.
 
2014-01-31 10:42:13 AM  
Will my doctor prescribe cocaine to help me kick my coffee habit?
 
2014-01-31 10:42:25 AM  

foxyshadis: The actual medical-type people have had a name for this for many years: Adrenal fatigue.

THAT SAID GET DOWN THE COLOMBIANS WILL SEE YOU DIDYOUBRINGTHESTUFFHURRYNOWNOW


no man the best stuff come from the islands
 
2014-01-31 10:44:00 AM  
I miss the days when mild psychiatric disorders were considered character flaws, not disabilities.
 
2014-01-31 10:44:20 AM  

grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


When there are multiple drugs of comparable effectiveness and the patient just needs a drug, doctors will typically proscribe the cheaper one, because there's no real point in having people arbitrarily pay more for the same thing (even if you're one of the "everything's a sinister insurance company conspiracy" type of people that think doctors are evil... they don't get a cut of that, so ...).

However, if the drugs are of comparable effectiveness and the patient  specifically requests a more expensive one by name, the majority of the time a doctor will just give you that one, because (1) Placebo effect always helps so if you seem to feel confident in that one it can actually help the drug work and (2) especially at a large hospital, doctors tend not to have the hour to waste explaining to you the whole "it's the same, buy the cheaper one" deal and even if they did the idiot patients would then get pissy about being charged for a longer consult.

So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you  do need them.  Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you  do buy a car.
 
2014-01-31 10:45:57 AM  

GhostFish: jshine: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

You could always get more pregnant.

I think you're both operating under the common misconception that "exacerbate" simply means to increase or intensify. It doesn't.


Exacerbate means to make a problem worse, and pregnancy is certainly a problem.

/ though, the real misconception was that I was telling a joke
 
2014-01-31 10:46:00 AM  
www.redcarpetcrash.com
You do not have testicular cancer. You don't even have testiculars!
 
2014-01-31 10:47:29 AM  
C.U.D.?  Could be worse.  Could be C.H.U.D.
 
2014-01-31 10:54:14 AM  

skozlaw: I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs


Thomas Szasz? I thought you died two years ago!
 
2014-01-31 10:55:51 AM  

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


It's illegal basically EVERYWHERE expcet the US and...one other country? Denmark or the Netherlands or something because a couple big pharma companies have HQs there.

It's absolutely asinine.

Diogenes: He is also brutal on the visiting pharma reps.  Hates them like poison.  I saw him eviscerate one once.  Guy just strolled through the waiting area and right back into the offices and exam rooms.  "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!"  Guy was white as a sheet when he slinked out of the building.


I loved the doctor I worked for for the same reason- we were vascular surgery and as such dealt with the "blood chemicals" drugs on a daily basis, along with their reps. Without fail, every week a pretty blonde twentysomething would walk into the office thinking "vascular? this sale's already made, booyah!" and the conversation would invariably go something like this:

Rep: We have this new drug...
Dr: (interrupting) Ok fine, show me the data on your clinical trials vs what I currently prescribe for the same problem.
Rep: Um...I'm not sure I have...
Dr: You don't have any data? No numbers or trials to support your marketing dept's claim that this drug performs better than the one I've been prescribing with good results for my patients for years? Why should I start, then?
Rep: Um, well, this chart here...
Dr: ...is not pertinent to this discussion; that chart describes platelet accumulation under the influence of another drug in constricted or calcified veins under low blood pressure. Are you telling me you don't even know how to read your own materials?
Rep: Um, well...
Dr: Um,well, you better come back with some real answers, all you've done today is irritate me and waste my time.

/reps are only good for the free food
 
2014-01-31 10:57:27 AM  
This is old news. I was diagnosed with that several years ago, and my doctor prescribed Caffeine Usage Neutralization Therapy.
 
2014-01-31 10:57:37 AM  
jshine:  / though, the real misconception was that I was telling a joke

You're right. That was a misconception. For you.

/raspberry
 
2014-01-31 11:04:48 AM  
I don't have a problem. I like to start my days this way.

adam4d.com
 
2014-01-31 11:06:30 AM  
All I know is that if I stop all caffine use for 3 days and drink tons of water I STILL have headaches and am much more tired then I normally feel.

Afterwards it's gets better and I level off energy wise. Headaches go away as well.

Sure as hell sound like I am kicking an addiction to me. Also, considering I relpase after a few months each time, I aint doin' too sweet a job beating it.
 
2014-01-31 11:07:28 AM  
For most of my life it seems that caffeine has been the El Dorado for so many food and drug researchers trying to make their bones in the business. Given that so many have had their crack at it for the last 30 years and come up short, I'm not going to believe much that comes out on it.
 
2014-01-31 11:10:47 AM  

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.


A picture of the troll in question:

daniellerose.com
 
2014-01-31 11:12:51 AM  

skozlaw: I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs


This is a vague, non specific diagnosis and can include just about any behavior.
The DSM was written by people on the payroll to Big Pharma - 68% of the contributors, at least.
 
2014-01-31 11:13:21 AM  

Barnstormer: I miss the days when mild psychiatric disorders were considered character flaws, not disabilities.


4.bp.blogspot.com

YOU CLEARLY DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ROLE HERE, SOLDIER!
 
2014-01-31 11:14:43 AM  
http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx

To the DSM-5 User Community:
When the Fifth Edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) was released at the American Psychiatric Association's Annual Meeting in May 2013, it marked the end of more than a decade's journey in revising the criteria for the diagnosis and classification of mentaldisorders
[sic] ...

Crap - gotta start all over before the month is even out !!
 
2014-01-31 11:15:38 AM  

Son of Thunder: skozlaw: I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs

Thomas Szasz? I thought you died two years ago!


Wants a word from beyond the grave:

static.guim.co.uk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._D._Laing
 
2014-01-31 11:16:18 AM  

HailRobonia: This is old news. I was diagnosed with that several years ago, and my doctor prescribed Caffeine Usage Neutralization Therapy.


Did you go with the generic?
 
2014-01-31 11:17:15 AM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,


Did something harsh your mellow?   Chill,   have a bong hit.


Dude, don't you get it? He wants a bong hit but he can't get to it. There are white men. With guns. For all we know, he's being bong-blocked by Conquistadors, and those guys f*ck up entire civilizations, man.

Quick mrEdude, look at them - but you know, don't LOOK like you're looking at them. Are they wearing silly tin hats and puffy pantaloons? Got a little whiff of sea salt and fish about them? Setting fire to your curtains and pets and other flammables? Well don't panic, man, just be cool, be cool. Just tell them if they go next door, your neighbor totally knows where the Fountain of Youth is and he'll be glad to lead them right to it. Then just nod and smile and casually GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE before they start handing out the smallpox-soaked blankets. May the blessings of Hendrix and Leary go with you, amigo.
 
2014-01-31 11:25:08 AM  
Is this a "good drugs" disorder? Like, if I have it, will somebody prescribe me Xanax and Vicodin at the same time? If so, I'm all for pushing it into the mainstream.
 
2014-01-31 11:30:01 AM  
The APA can have my caffeine when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!


They can take our lives, but they'll never take our Red Bull!
 
2014-01-31 11:38:39 AM  

grinding_journalist: /reps are only good for the free food



My wife works in a specialty practice (retina).  She loves the free food. :)
 
2014-01-31 11:43:11 AM  
MORE COFFEE PLEASE

/LAUGHTER OL
 
2014-01-31 11:45:42 AM  

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


Late-term twinsies. Happened to my neighbour's niece. Tragic. She'd already bought the single stroller and everything.
 
2014-01-31 11:47:56 AM  

dok9874: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.


Butthead couldn't manage to find "decaf" ANYTHING while I was pregnant with his monster, so the baby's kidneys output so much liquid not only did it nearly end up killing me, the baby was born with a potassium deficiency.
 
2014-01-31 11:48:22 AM  
grinding_journalist:
/reps are only good for the free food

I've been told, and believe, that some of them do put out.

And all are nice eye candy.

/Used to hang out with medical equipment company people
 
2014-01-31 11:49:07 AM  
If I can't take
my coffee break
my coffee break
my coffee break

If I can't take
my coffee break
something within me dies!
 
2014-01-31 11:54:33 AM  

kwame: Legit disorder or not, there's something wrong with people who claim they can't be civil until they have their morning coffee.


It isn't a "claim", it's the Gospel Truth and there may be a natural law that governs it. Now Shut Up and Go Away until I finish this cup.
 
2014-01-31 11:57:46 AM  

ex-nuke: kwame: Legit disorder or not, there's something wrong with people who claim they can't be civil until they have their morning coffee.

It isn't a "claim", it's the Gospel Truth and there may be a natural law that governs it. Now Shut Up and Go Away until I finish this cup.


My caffeine addiction is not coffee, it's diet soda - and whether I'm drinking it or not, the monsters know not to approach me too early in the morning: I don't do mornings well, and the monsters all inherited that.

/Love the quiet of the mornings since they got old enough to figure it out.
 
2014-01-31 12:04:22 PM  

mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,


There are a LOT of things in the earth that aren't good for you. Arsenic, radon, cyanide, mercury....
 
2014-01-31 12:04:57 PM  

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


It can be illegal in canada all it wants. Ive seen lots of drug ads on american stations. Geuss how many canadian channels canadians watch?
 
2014-01-31 12:05:37 PM  

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, listening to medical profiteers conditions and mocking, this newly discovered created affliction simply perpetuates antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best scams in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid profit from those stricken enjoying said ailments pleasures is plain ignorant. Get mature and get a clue.

 

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.
 
2014-01-31 12:17:56 PM  
I hoping that the treatment is alcohol to depress the CNS.
 
2014-01-31 12:19:51 PM  
Mock away, but back in the day I worked for a shrink who was pushing the "caffeinism" diagnosis.  I thought it was bullshiat at first, too.  But he said a distinction had to be made between "normal" caffeine addiction, which is so common that something like 85% of the US population has it, and the people that he was studying.  Those folks were drinking up to forty cups of coffee a day and couldn't stop, despite the fact that they were getting into trouble being constantly irritable, not sleeping, and spending inordinate amounts of time in the bathroom.  I remember one woman was drinking ten 2-liter bottles of Mountain Dew a day, and couldn't stop even though she was enormous and her family was spending most of its food money on her soda habit.  Those are the folks this diagnosis is intended to identify, not your average Farker who is grumpy until he gets his morning joe.
 
2014-01-31 12:24:31 PM  
"Caffeine Use Disorder"?

Maybe there should be a product warning label: "Contents for ingestion only - If alertness persists, discontinue use and rise mug with fresh water."
 
2014-01-31 12:30:40 PM  

mama2tnt: dok9874: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.

Butthead couldn't manage to find "decaf" ANYTHING while I was pregnant with his monster, so the baby's kidneys output so much liquid not only did it nearly end up killing me, the baby was born with a potassium deficiency.


The first thing that started making my wife's stomach turn while she was pregnant was the smell of coffee.  So she had to stop drinking any of it and stay away.  First thing she got out of the hospital was a cup of coffee.
 
2014-01-31 12:31:42 PM  
I have two serious questions: Does having this disorder qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?  Would quitting Caffeine qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?
 
2014-01-31 12:44:14 PM  

IronJelly: I have two serious questions: Does having this disorder qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?  Would quitting Caffeine qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?


I've been led to understand that being in the Doctor's office qualifies you for mm in some areas.

Sadly, lacking that option, my mother (who had glaucoma) resorted to several expensive "well, try this" meds and a referral to a specialist. She resorted to calling a good friend with a green thumb. She was also a wicked-bad coffee drinker.

/miss ya mom
//coffee is proof God loves us and wants us to see daybreak with both eyes
///cuban coffee ftw
 
2014-01-31 12:45:54 PM  
I have court ordered 12-step 'sessions' in the next week (stupid, one-time mistake on my part so I'm not casting responsibility aside).

THE ONLY CURE:

I'll have to play the role of the 'newly enlightened, totally agreeable lemming' in order to endure what the state government mandates as the only 'cure' for my 'illness'.  I'm rehearsing my expressions, discovery of enlightenment and other sudden realizations of the 12 steps. Because, as the tax-funded dollars mandate, this is the cure - the only cure - for my illness (equally diagnosed by the legal system). This will include being prescribed prozaczoloftwelbutrinpaxillexiprogeodon making sure to report how one/all brought me into the light of health and wisdom.

Because it's the federally mandated only way.

I'll act/zombie my way through it - 'tis the legally required manner and ONLY road.
 
2014-01-31 12:47:00 PM  
I drink a large coffee almost every morning on my way to work.  around 10 AM I have a small cup with a third cup at noon and some days I have another around 2 PM.  Until recently I supervised hourly workers and I held myself to the same break schedules that they had.  I have just kept up with it since then.  Some days I don't drink coffee, and on the weekend I might have a cup or I might not.  I suffer no ill effects from stopping though.  I had a medication mix up a few years ago and my blood pressure went through the roof, I had to stop drinking coffee for a month while we tried to get the right medication and I had zero issues.  I know that caffeine addiction is a real thing but it seems to me that a lot of people are immune like me.
 
2014-01-31 12:55:13 PM  

Jim_Callahan: So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you do need them. Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you do buy a car.


How many of these drug commercials do you see them comparing themselves to their competition? How many car ads do you see that do this?
 
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