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2014-01-31 07:37:00 AM
I just got my "Restless Leg Syndrome" under medicated control, and now this? DAMN!
 
2014-01-31 07:42:35 AM
Can I get paid time off for this?
 
2014-01-31 08:02:11 AM
THISCOULDEXPLAINALOTOFTHINGSDOESANYONEELSEFEELIMPENDINGDOOMWHERE'STHEB ATHROOM?
 
2014-01-31 08:15:55 AM
Please don't submit these kinds of articles before I have had my first cup of coffee.
 
2014-01-31 08:44:24 AM
I think I'm terminal.
 
2014-01-31 08:49:35 AM
Over in 1, 2, and 3. I lol'd.
 
2014-01-31 09:01:36 AM
Not a "disorder", it's a "quality of life" issue.
 
2014-01-31 09:23:31 AM

MrBallou: Over in 1, 2, and 3. I lol'd.


Unfavorited :-(
 
2014-01-31 09:33:57 AM
I don't see the point in creating a new disorder for it. Addiction sufficiently covers what they're describing here, I'd say.
 
2014-01-31 09:34:10 AM
 
2014-01-31 09:34:36 AM
PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?
 
2014-01-31 09:34:38 AM
The drug has already been invented, it's called caffiene. You just have to discontinue use...IF YOU DARE!

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 
2014-01-31 09:40:26 AM
You know what else is a health problem?
 
2014-01-31 09:40:26 AM
Caffeine can constrict blood vessels.   While not as immediately dangerous as alcohol, it's as bad as some of the risks of cigarette smoking.

Yeah, I have a soda with caffeine once in a while, like a case lasts a year.
 
2014-01-31 09:41:52 AM
FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?
 
2014-01-31 09:42:54 AM
My doctor gave me pills for this,
I wash them down with 5-hour energy drinks.
 
2014-01-31 09:43:03 AM
Legit disorder or not, there's something wrong with people who claim they can't be civil until they have their morning coffee.
 
2014-01-31 09:43:16 AM
your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,
 
2014-01-31 09:43:54 AM
Since the new standard of "normal" is to have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder, when they finally get around to naming a disorder for those who don't, will the universe implode?
 
2014-01-31 09:43:58 AM
i26.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-31 09:44:10 AM

grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


In Canada it's illegal.
 
2014-01-31 09:44:28 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


You don't think a pregnancy can be made worse? Have you ever met a pregnant woman?
 
2014-01-31 09:44:48 AM
I worry more now about people with the disorder known as:

Hyper
Involuntary
Panic
Stress
Tension
Elevation
Response

because they drink large amounts of caffeine too.
 
2014-01-31 09:44:50 AM
I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs
 
2014-01-31 09:45:12 AM

grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


Yep.  My doctor has never slapped his head during a visit and said, "You know what?  There's a drug you need that totally escaped me until I saw this ad on TV last night!"

He is also brutal on the visiting pharma reps.  Hates them like poison.  I saw him eviscerate one once.  Guy just strolled through the waiting area and right back into the offices and exam rooms.  "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!"  Guy was white as a sheet when he slinked out of the building.

I love my doctor.
 
2014-01-31 09:45:19 AM

mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,


Calm down trigger.  If you didn't have the FDA you would be poisoned by mega corporations.  So chill
 
2014-01-31 09:45:39 AM
Maybe we'll see some class-action lawsuits against Big Coffee?
 
2014-01-31 09:46:01 AM

mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,


You sound like you could use a pill for all that negativity
 
2014-01-31 09:46:12 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


I'm sure Texas has some ideas.
 
2014-01-31 09:49:27 AM
The actual medical-type people have had a name for this for many years: Adrenal fatigue.

THAT SAID GET DOWN THE COLOMBIANS WILL SEE YOU DIDYOUBRINGTHESTUFFHURRYNOWNOW
 
2014-01-31 09:49:59 AM
You'll pry my coffee from my cold, dead hands.
 
2014-01-31 09:50:45 AM
So, what you're saying is, it's not normal to drink a pot of coffee and be able to promptly go to sleep and sleep like a baby?
 
2014-01-31 09:51:14 AM

Needlessly Complicated: You'll pry my coffee from my cold, dead

shaking hands.
 
rpm
2014-01-31 09:51:49 AM
Gee, a drug with withdrawal symptoms is addictive. STOP THE PRESSES!
 
2014-01-31 09:52:51 AM
 
2014-01-31 09:56:52 AM

Barfmaker: THISCOULDEXPLAINALOTOFTHINGSDOESANYONEELSEFEELIMPENDINGDOOMWHERE'STHE B ATHROOM?


What is sad is that I laughed my fat ass off at this comment. You now owe me one mechanical keyboard. The other thing is...I'm laughing my fat ass off because I'm reading this with my third cup of black coffee this morning. (And I make it Navy-style--strong enough to peel the paint off The Big Stick.)

Kit Fister: So, what you're saying is, it's not normal to drink a pot of coffee and be able to promptly go to sleep and sleep like a baby?


Are you saying my mother has a problem with caffeine? She could wake up at 2am, drink a cup of coffee, and fall asleep at 2.15am.
 
2014-01-31 09:57:03 AM

Diogenes: MrBallou: Over in 1, 2, and 3. I lol'd.

Unfavorited :-(


You're just overwrought. Maybe you should switch to decaf.
 
2014-01-31 09:58:54 AM
i.imgur.com

I can quit any time I want.
/I don't want to. I like getting paid.
 
2014-01-31 10:00:45 AM
ecx.images-amazon.com
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-31 10:00:52 AM
...and people think I am nuts when I make THX-1138 references...

/well... I am nuts anyway, but still
 
2014-01-31 10:01:32 AM
media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
 
2014-01-31 10:05:55 AM
If this means my coffee habit will be covered by my insurance, I'll be happy to be diagnosed with this "condition".

Well, unless Big Pharm insists I have to drink the most expensive brew available. If I have to start every morning with a big steaming cup of cat poop coffee, I'm going to develop a whole new set of neuroses.
 
2014-01-31 10:10:43 AM

Diogenes: Needlessly Complicated: You'll pry my coffee from my cold, dead shaking hands.


Well, I assumed my hands would stop shaking after I was dead....
 
2014-01-31 10:13:13 AM
gota be farking mental to ever want to go to a psychiatrist ...  ever...


is there a pill for wanting to go to one,  I wonder...
 
2014-01-31 10:14:02 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.
 
2014-01-31 10:15:16 AM
Even the smell of coffee has now evinced a Pavlovian response from my colon. And the business section of the newspaper jumps into my arms.

/be right back.
 
2014-01-31 10:19:08 AM
How can anyone trust anyone associated with any big pharmaceutical company, as in pretty much every psychiatrist. Research who writes the DSM and their affiliations.
 
2014-01-31 10:20:04 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


You could always get more pregnant.
 
2014-01-31 10:25:18 AM

jshine: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

You could always get more pregnant.


I think you're both operating under the common misconception that "exacerbate" simply means to increase or intensify. It doesn't.
 
2014-01-31 10:26:10 AM
I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.
 
2014-01-31 10:28:46 AM

mrEdude: plants the earth deems important enough to grow.


Dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Go smoke some of the other things the  "earth deemed important enough to grow" that will kill you. Farking moron.
 
2014-01-31 10:33:02 AM

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


I've read that it's illegal almost everywhere, save for the US and New Zealand.
 
2014-01-31 10:33:47 AM

Onkel Buck: mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,

You sound like you could use a pill for all that negativity


A gramme is better than a damn.
 
2014-01-31 10:36:04 AM

mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,



Did something harsh your mellow?   Chill,   have a bong hit.
 
2014-01-31 10:36:17 AM
BRB, guys, anybody want something from Starbucks?

"Caffeine makes my neurons twinkle" -- Bonnie McCafferty, Chicago Tribune.
 
2014-01-31 10:38:08 AM

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.


Strangely, I want to agree and disagree, take you seriously and accuse you of riding Poe's Law like a whipped horse.

So...good job, I guess.
 
2014-01-31 10:39:40 AM
if this means I might hurt you before I get two cups of coffee this is what I have
 
2014-01-31 10:40:04 AM

Sliding Carp: BRB, guys, anybody want something from Starbucks?

"Caffeine makes my neurons twinkle" -- Bonnie McCafferty, Chicago Tribune.


No thanks. I've already got an ice-coffee with ice-cubes made out of coffee. Seriously.
 
2014-01-31 10:42:13 AM
Will my doctor prescribe cocaine to help me kick my coffee habit?
 
2014-01-31 10:42:25 AM

foxyshadis: The actual medical-type people have had a name for this for many years: Adrenal fatigue.

THAT SAID GET DOWN THE COLOMBIANS WILL SEE YOU DIDYOUBRINGTHESTUFFHURRYNOWNOW


no man the best stuff come from the islands
 
2014-01-31 10:44:00 AM
I miss the days when mild psychiatric disorders were considered character flaws, not disabilities.
 
2014-01-31 10:44:20 AM

grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


When there are multiple drugs of comparable effectiveness and the patient just needs a drug, doctors will typically proscribe the cheaper one, because there's no real point in having people arbitrarily pay more for the same thing (even if you're one of the "everything's a sinister insurance company conspiracy" type of people that think doctors are evil... they don't get a cut of that, so ...).

However, if the drugs are of comparable effectiveness and the patient  specifically requests a more expensive one by name, the majority of the time a doctor will just give you that one, because (1) Placebo effect always helps so if you seem to feel confident in that one it can actually help the drug work and (2) especially at a large hospital, doctors tend not to have the hour to waste explaining to you the whole "it's the same, buy the cheaper one" deal and even if they did the idiot patients would then get pissy about being charged for a longer consult.

So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you  do need them.  Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you  do buy a car.
 
2014-01-31 10:45:57 AM

GhostFish: jshine: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

You could always get more pregnant.

I think you're both operating under the common misconception that "exacerbate" simply means to increase or intensify. It doesn't.


Exacerbate means to make a problem worse, and pregnancy is certainly a problem.

/ though, the real misconception was that I was telling a joke
 
2014-01-31 10:46:00 AM
www.redcarpetcrash.com
You do not have testicular cancer. You don't even have testiculars!
 
2014-01-31 10:47:29 AM
C.U.D.?  Could be worse.  Could be C.H.U.D.
 
2014-01-31 10:54:14 AM

skozlaw: I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs


Thomas Szasz? I thought you died two years ago!
 
2014-01-31 10:55:51 AM

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


It's illegal basically EVERYWHERE expcet the US and...one other country? Denmark or the Netherlands or something because a couple big pharma companies have HQs there.

It's absolutely asinine.

Diogenes: He is also brutal on the visiting pharma reps.  Hates them like poison.  I saw him eviscerate one once.  Guy just strolled through the waiting area and right back into the offices and exam rooms.  "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!"  Guy was white as a sheet when he slinked out of the building.


I loved the doctor I worked for for the same reason- we were vascular surgery and as such dealt with the "blood chemicals" drugs on a daily basis, along with their reps. Without fail, every week a pretty blonde twentysomething would walk into the office thinking "vascular? this sale's already made, booyah!" and the conversation would invariably go something like this:

Rep: We have this new drug...
Dr: (interrupting) Ok fine, show me the data on your clinical trials vs what I currently prescribe for the same problem.
Rep: Um...I'm not sure I have...
Dr: You don't have any data? No numbers or trials to support your marketing dept's claim that this drug performs better than the one I've been prescribing with good results for my patients for years? Why should I start, then?
Rep: Um, well, this chart here...
Dr: ...is not pertinent to this discussion; that chart describes platelet accumulation under the influence of another drug in constricted or calcified veins under low blood pressure. Are you telling me you don't even know how to read your own materials?
Rep: Um, well...
Dr: Um,well, you better come back with some real answers, all you've done today is irritate me and waste my time.

/reps are only good for the free food
 
2014-01-31 10:57:27 AM
This is old news. I was diagnosed with that several years ago, and my doctor prescribed Caffeine Usage Neutralization Therapy.
 
2014-01-31 10:57:37 AM
jshine:  / though, the real misconception was that I was telling a joke

You're right. That was a misconception. For you.

/raspberry
 
2014-01-31 11:04:48 AM
I don't have a problem. I like to start my days this way.

adam4d.com
 
2014-01-31 11:06:30 AM
All I know is that if I stop all caffine use for 3 days and drink tons of water I STILL have headaches and am much more tired then I normally feel.

Afterwards it's gets better and I level off energy wise. Headaches go away as well.

Sure as hell sound like I am kicking an addiction to me. Also, considering I relpase after a few months each time, I aint doin' too sweet a job beating it.
 
2014-01-31 11:07:28 AM
For most of my life it seems that caffeine has been the El Dorado for so many food and drug researchers trying to make their bones in the business. Given that so many have had their crack at it for the last 30 years and come up short, I'm not going to believe much that comes out on it.
 
2014-01-31 11:10:47 AM

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.


A picture of the troll in question:

daniellerose.com
 
2014-01-31 11:12:51 AM

skozlaw: I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs


This is a vague, non specific diagnosis and can include just about any behavior.
The DSM was written by people on the payroll to Big Pharma - 68% of the contributors, at least.
 
2014-01-31 11:13:21 AM

Barnstormer: I miss the days when mild psychiatric disorders were considered character flaws, not disabilities.


4.bp.blogspot.com

YOU CLEARLY DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ROLE HERE, SOLDIER!
 
2014-01-31 11:14:43 AM
http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx

To the DSM-5 User Community:
When the Fifth Edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) was released at the American Psychiatric Association's Annual Meeting in May 2013, it marked the end of more than a decade's journey in revising the criteria for the diagnosis and classification of mentaldisorders
[sic] ...

Crap - gotta start all over before the month is even out !!
 
2014-01-31 11:15:38 AM

Son of Thunder: skozlaw: I wish they'd stop trying to treat so-called "schizophrenics". It's an invented disorder that doesn't really exist. This is true because at one time it was not formally recognized as a disorder therefore it must be a fake thing that was created just to sell pills.

/ also, fark those farking pill-popper insomniacs, narcoleptics, sociopaths and paranoids and their "made-up" diseases that are just about marketing drugs

Thomas Szasz? I thought you died two years ago!


Wants a word from beyond the grave:

static.guim.co.uk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._D._Laing
 
2014-01-31 11:16:18 AM

HailRobonia: This is old news. I was diagnosed with that several years ago, and my doctor prescribed Caffeine Usage Neutralization Therapy.


Did you go with the generic?
 
2014-01-31 11:17:15 AM

AugieDoggyDaddy: mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,


Did something harsh your mellow?   Chill,   have a bong hit.


Dude, don't you get it? He wants a bong hit but he can't get to it. There are white men. With guns. For all we know, he's being bong-blocked by Conquistadors, and those guys f*ck up entire civilizations, man.

Quick mrEdude, look at them - but you know, don't LOOK like you're looking at them. Are they wearing silly tin hats and puffy pantaloons? Got a little whiff of sea salt and fish about them? Setting fire to your curtains and pets and other flammables? Well don't panic, man, just be cool, be cool. Just tell them if they go next door, your neighbor totally knows where the Fountain of Youth is and he'll be glad to lead them right to it. Then just nod and smile and casually GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE before they start handing out the smallpox-soaked blankets. May the blessings of Hendrix and Leary go with you, amigo.
 
2014-01-31 11:25:08 AM
Is this a "good drugs" disorder? Like, if I have it, will somebody prescribe me Xanax and Vicodin at the same time? If so, I'm all for pushing it into the mainstream.
 
2014-01-31 11:30:01 AM
The APA can have my caffeine when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!


They can take our lives, but they'll never take our Red Bull!
 
2014-01-31 11:38:39 AM

grinding_journalist: /reps are only good for the free food



My wife works in a specialty practice (retina).  She loves the free food. :)
 
2014-01-31 11:43:11 AM
MORE COFFEE PLEASE

/LAUGHTER OL
 
2014-01-31 11:45:42 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?


Late-term twinsies. Happened to my neighbour's niece. Tragic. She'd already bought the single stroller and everything.
 
2014-01-31 11:47:56 AM

dok9874: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.


Butthead couldn't manage to find "decaf" ANYTHING while I was pregnant with his monster, so the baby's kidneys output so much liquid not only did it nearly end up killing me, the baby was born with a potassium deficiency.
 
2014-01-31 11:48:22 AM
grinding_journalist:
/reps are only good for the free food

I've been told, and believe, that some of them do put out.

And all are nice eye candy.

/Used to hang out with medical equipment company people
 
2014-01-31 11:49:07 AM
If I can't take
my coffee break
my coffee break
my coffee break

If I can't take
my coffee break
something within me dies!
 
2014-01-31 11:54:33 AM

kwame: Legit disorder or not, there's something wrong with people who claim they can't be civil until they have their morning coffee.


It isn't a "claim", it's the Gospel Truth and there may be a natural law that governs it. Now Shut Up and Go Away until I finish this cup.
 
2014-01-31 11:57:46 AM

ex-nuke: kwame: Legit disorder or not, there's something wrong with people who claim they can't be civil until they have their morning coffee.

It isn't a "claim", it's the Gospel Truth and there may be a natural law that governs it. Now Shut Up and Go Away until I finish this cup.


My caffeine addiction is not coffee, it's diet soda - and whether I'm drinking it or not, the monsters know not to approach me too early in the morning: I don't do mornings well, and the monsters all inherited that.

/Love the quiet of the mornings since they got old enough to figure it out.
 
2014-01-31 12:04:22 PM

mrEdude: your govt is so bent and out of control, from the FDA to the DEA, that ridiclous, pointless and often dangerous drugs are pushed on you

while men with guns stand between you and plants the earth deems important enough to grow.

Another part of the greed and stupidity machine that will spell the end of mankind eventually,


There are a LOT of things in the earth that aren't good for you. Arsenic, radon, cyanide, mercury....
 
2014-01-31 12:04:57 PM

Russ1642: grinding_journalist: PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?

In Canada it's illegal.


It can be illegal in canada all it wants. Ive seen lots of drug ads on american stations. Geuss how many canadian channels canadians watch?
 
2014-01-31 12:05:37 PM

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, listening to medical profiteers conditions and mocking, this newly discovered created affliction simply perpetuates antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best scams in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid profit from those stricken enjoying said ailments pleasures is plain ignorant. Get mature and get a clue.

 

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.
 
2014-01-31 12:17:56 PM
I hoping that the treatment is alcohol to depress the CNS.
 
2014-01-31 12:19:51 PM
Mock away, but back in the day I worked for a shrink who was pushing the "caffeinism" diagnosis.  I thought it was bullshiat at first, too.  But he said a distinction had to be made between "normal" caffeine addiction, which is so common that something like 85% of the US population has it, and the people that he was studying.  Those folks were drinking up to forty cups of coffee a day and couldn't stop, despite the fact that they were getting into trouble being constantly irritable, not sleeping, and spending inordinate amounts of time in the bathroom.  I remember one woman was drinking ten 2-liter bottles of Mountain Dew a day, and couldn't stop even though she was enormous and her family was spending most of its food money on her soda habit.  Those are the folks this diagnosis is intended to identify, not your average Farker who is grumpy until he gets his morning joe.
 
2014-01-31 12:24:31 PM
"Caffeine Use Disorder"?

Maybe there should be a product warning label: "Contents for ingestion only - If alertness persists, discontinue use and rise mug with fresh water."
 
2014-01-31 12:30:40 PM

mama2tnt: dok9874: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.

Butthead couldn't manage to find "decaf" ANYTHING while I was pregnant with his monster, so the baby's kidneys output so much liquid not only did it nearly end up killing me, the baby was born with a potassium deficiency.


The first thing that started making my wife's stomach turn while she was pregnant was the smell of coffee.  So she had to stop drinking any of it and stay away.  First thing she got out of the hospital was a cup of coffee.
 
2014-01-31 12:31:42 PM
I have two serious questions: Does having this disorder qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?  Would quitting Caffeine qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?
 
2014-01-31 12:44:14 PM

IronJelly: I have two serious questions: Does having this disorder qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?  Would quitting Caffeine qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?


I've been led to understand that being in the Doctor's office qualifies you for mm in some areas.

Sadly, lacking that option, my mother (who had glaucoma) resorted to several expensive "well, try this" meds and a referral to a specialist. She resorted to calling a good friend with a green thumb. She was also a wicked-bad coffee drinker.

/miss ya mom
//coffee is proof God loves us and wants us to see daybreak with both eyes
///cuban coffee ftw
 
2014-01-31 12:45:54 PM
I have court ordered 12-step 'sessions' in the next week (stupid, one-time mistake on my part so I'm not casting responsibility aside).

THE ONLY CURE:

I'll have to play the role of the 'newly enlightened, totally agreeable lemming' in order to endure what the state government mandates as the only 'cure' for my 'illness'.  I'm rehearsing my expressions, discovery of enlightenment and other sudden realizations of the 12 steps. Because, as the tax-funded dollars mandate, this is the cure - the only cure - for my illness (equally diagnosed by the legal system). This will include being prescribed prozaczoloftwelbutrinpaxillexiprogeodon making sure to report how one/all brought me into the light of health and wisdom.

Because it's the federally mandated only way.

I'll act/zombie my way through it - 'tis the legally required manner and ONLY road.
 
2014-01-31 12:47:00 PM
I drink a large coffee almost every morning on my way to work.  around 10 AM I have a small cup with a third cup at noon and some days I have another around 2 PM.  Until recently I supervised hourly workers and I held myself to the same break schedules that they had.  I have just kept up with it since then.  Some days I don't drink coffee, and on the weekend I might have a cup or I might not.  I suffer no ill effects from stopping though.  I had a medication mix up a few years ago and my blood pressure went through the roof, I had to stop drinking coffee for a month while we tried to get the right medication and I had zero issues.  I know that caffeine addiction is a real thing but it seems to me that a lot of people are immune like me.
 
2014-01-31 12:55:13 PM

Jim_Callahan: So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you do need them. Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you do buy a car.


How many of these drug commercials do you see them comparing themselves to their competition? How many car ads do you see that do this?
 
2014-01-31 12:58:05 PM
grinding-journalist

PRESCRIPTION-ONLY DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO ADVERTISE ON TV.

What purpose could they POSSIBLY serve except to get someone to take a drug that their doctor doesn't think they need?


Warning! Common sense thinking like that, Sir, will undermine the entire socio-economic base major businesses and their lawyers depend on. You cannot be allowed to spread the concept of Intelligent Consideration.
________

Many of you are probably not old enough to recall the time when caffeine or caffeine-like substances were added to nearly everything possible to give you that energy kick. It started in the 70's, after the economic crisis when folks were having to work harder and harder because Saudi Arabia had managed to shake the global economy by initiating the oil catastrophe.

It created a whole new merchandising factor in the form of Energy Drinks, or -- legal speed.

Prior to that, only one or two soft drinks had caffeine added, mainly Mountain Dew. Afterwards you had to carefully study the soda to find versions which did not have the stuff added. I mean, like pre-teens and teens, the target consumers, did not already have enough natural energy to cope with.

Just before that, soda machines were allowed into schools, under the understanding that sales of the product would help boost their income since the government, naturally, responding to the economic crisis, slashed the educational budgets.

Energy drinks just flourished after the first few managed to make it past the FDA. Though, they were helped along by the Great Coffee Crisis in the 80s, when suddenly it seemed there was a problem with global coffee bean producers, which doubled the cost of a pound of coffee.

By then it had been discovered that large amounts of caffeine could be delivered in scores of other products.

This created a new niche for companies to pile into with caffeine bearing products, including herbal versions -- the latter being considered 'organic' and presumably 'natural' and better for you.

Any form of artificial stimulant can become both physically and psychologically addicting. Any stimulant can affect people with a host of medical conditions ranging from the mild to the serious. There's a great range of psychological conditions which, while usually mild and not requiring treatment, can form a dependency on a nonprescription stimulant.

Naturally, there will be those businesses which will take advantage of this and promptly supply the masses with all they can handle and advertise the krap out of the products to make them seem even more appealing and safe.

A good example of this are your tobacco, booze and automobile industries.

Eventually, yeah, a new psychological condition will develop. Prior to the explosion of Super models, we never heard of Anorexia or Bulimia. When professional sports became a multi-billion dollar a year industry, suddenly we started hearing about steroids.

Don't forget that time, somewhere in the 80's, when anything herbal was the rage and folks started consuming various herbs in amounts which could cause harm. Not too many herbalists bothered to inform clients of the potential for abuse. Businesses jumped in selling packaged herbs and herbs in pill form.

Caffeine could and would be added to some for that energy 'kick' to bring the customers back. Yet, herbal products are not regulated by the FDA.

The increased use of the Internet promptly sprouted a mess of 'legal speed' sites ranging from herbs to pills.

So, across the span of less than 40 years, people grew up consuming stimulants the previous generation had never used.

Now it's been anchored both financially and traditionally into the culture.

Note: back when soft drinks were just catching on to caffeine, most kids were not allowed to drink coffee (an Adult drink). Their parents never realized that bottle of sweet soda they readily bought for the kids to guzzle held more caffeine per cup than brewed coffee.

More food for thought: as the caffeine/artificial stimulant consumption rose, so did ADD. A connection?
 
2014-01-31 01:00:35 PM

IronJelly: I have two serious questions: Does having this disorder qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?  Would quitting Caffeine qualify me for Medicinal Marijuana?


Yes.
 
2014-01-31 01:04:10 PM

bump: I simply cannot believe the lack of emotional intelligence from the p0sts in this thread.

Way too many people suffer from serious, medical conditions and mocking this newly discovered affliction simply perpetuate antiquainted stereotypes. Our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and to NOT use our abilities to aid those stricken by said ailments is plain ignorant.

What they need is the help of the knowledgable and empathetic medical community, as well as programs (such as the well respected and proven 12-step methodologies) to improve those afflicted by yet another tramatic condition. The rest of you 'haters' are simply projecting your own self-loathing upon these victims. Get mature and get a clue.


Maybe I'm wildly ahead of the curve here, but I find it pretty mock-worthy to not already understand that caffeine is addictive. Newly discovered affliction? Wat? Caffeine addiction is nothing compared to heroin or smoking, but it is still clearly a thing. It's habitual, it has noticeable withdrawal symptoms, and it's easy to slip back into once you've quit.

The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.
 
2014-01-31 01:17:05 PM
The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.
 
2014-01-31 01:27:49 PM

bump: The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.


That's not dismissing addictiveness, I mean it's unlikely for drug companies to develop a methadone style ramp-down for caffeine withdrawal. Aspirin to deal with the symptoms is usually all it takes, so there's no market for them to develop anything more intensive.
 
2014-01-31 01:59:11 PM
My wife has always been amazed that I can drink coffee before bed and fall asleep almost immediately. And that I can get up on Saturday, eat a big breakfast and drink half a pot or more and then go take a nap. Or doze off with a cup in my hand. I'm sure it's genetic, my 85 year old mother does it, and her mother did it until she passed away at the tender age of 101. Grandma told stories about when she was growing up on the farm, starting the day off and ending it with coffee, that it was hard to get during WW1 and the Depression, many many coffee stories. She probably drank coffee on a daily basis for close to 90 years. My mom has been doing the same for 70+ years. It's an addiction I'm perfectly happy to have.
 
2014-01-31 02:15:12 PM

Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?



Usually it involves a flight of stairs.

Oh, nope, wait that's abortion, got my wires crossed.

You turn put Justin Bieber on repeat that's exacerbating
 
2014-01-31 04:16:59 PM
I avoided caffeine when pregnant - history of miscarriage and mid term loss.

First thing after giving birth was the sound of me calling for tea.

/ With no 4 daughter, they asked if I could wait until they had finished stitching me up post C-section.
// I said no...but they made me.
/// No 5 well, both he and I came close to death during surgery. But after we both were okay - tea please?
//// MOAR TEA
 
2014-01-31 05:30:50 PM

optimistic_cynic: Jim_Callahan: So... yeah, advertisements can serve the interests of the drug makers without "making you buy a drug you don't need" by influencing which of the competing drugs you select when you do need them. Same as a car commercial, they aren't expecting to convince you to go out and buy a new car every 30 minutes, they're just trying to get you to buy their brand, and the models they've got extra of this season, when you do buy a car.

How many of these drug commercials do you see them comparing themselves to their competition? How many car ads do you see that do this?


Quite a few for both.
/ priloc vs nexium
/ Ford vs Honda
/ ad nauseum
 
2014-01-31 05:58:32 PM

Kit Fister: So, what you're saying is, it's not normal to drink a pot of coffee and be able to promptly go to sleep and sleep like a baby?


Not abnormal, that's just good planning - the caffeine helps you sleep faster.
 
2014-01-31 06:58:17 PM

bump: The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.


Interesting, mine was adamant about gradually decreasing my dose. Still had the shakes for a few days, though.
 
2014-01-31 09:14:13 PM
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STICK IT IN THE VEIN!!!!!!
 
2014-01-31 10:48:36 PM

bump: The drug company angle is subby's invention, probably unlikely to happen because again, it's not freaking heroin or nicotine.

I was on 60 mg of Paxil for a year (did no good that I couid percieve). Then was told by a Dr. to 'just stop' - I voiced concern about 'withdrawals' which was greeted by claims of 'bs' from said Dr.

I tasted the gun metal of a .38 for over 2 weeks - but thank gawd it wasn't an addictive drug.


Holy buckets.  I took Paxil 20 mg for years, and every time I tried to cut down the dose during that time I would turn into a monster.  Getting off that crap was only easy because it was replaced by Celexa.  Cold turkey on 60 mg??  I am so sorry.  I remember when I missed a single dose of Paxil I would feel dizzy and get farking electric shocks or something coursing through my body.  Fark Paxil, and fire that doctor.

/lost weight when I switched
//missing a dose of Celexa by accident doesn't make me want to kill myself either
 
2014-02-01 01:38:41 PM

mama2tnt: dok9874: Mr. Right: FTA:  . . . even if they have another condition that may be exacerbated by the caffeine, such as a pregnancy,  . . .

How exactly does one exacerbate pregnancy?

For me, drinking anything caffeinated when I was pregnant made me nauseous.  And there's no need to encourage that kind of feeling when it's already a side effect of pregnancy.

Butthead couldn't manage to find "decaf" ANYTHING while I was pregnant with his monster, so the baby's kidneys output so much liquid not only did it nearly end up killing me, the baby was born with a potassium deficiency.


Wow.  I didn't know water was caffeinated.  And that he forced you to drink caffeinated stuff.  But that begs the question:  Why on earth didn't you go shop for yourself in that entire 9 months?
 
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