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(Stars and Stripes)   Sacrificing your life to save your unconscious platoon with only body armor and a helmet on while the rest of your uniform is in ashes or seared to your skin? That shiat's a Hero tag, plus a 21 gun salute from the heart   (stripes.com) divider line 44
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2014-01-31 10:24:41 AM
I was going to complain about this being tagged "politics," but I RTFA and the politics of the situation is about why the hell isn't this guy given the Medal of Honor?
 
2014-01-31 10:28:17 AM

show me: I was going to complain about this being tagged "politics," but I RTFA and the politics of the situation is about why the hell isn't this guy given the Medal of Honor?



/RIP
//Nice to see the hero tag being used legit for once
 
2014-01-31 10:29:51 AM
This tag is shared with garbagemen.

I think we seriously need to consider reviving the word "halth" to describe real heroic actions
 
2014-01-31 10:38:08 AM
Rest in Peace, Hero.

That is all.
 
2014-01-31 10:54:08 AM

cman: This tag is shared with garbagemen.

I think we seriously need to consider reviving the word "halth" to describe real heroic actions


it's also used ironically or to troll, but in this case, it's very properly used.

and he should get the Medal of Honor.
 
2014-01-31 11:03:30 AM
nobody wants to be reminded about Iraq.
 
2014-01-31 11:04:50 AM
Good lord. That's one of the most heroic things I've ever read about.
 
2014-01-31 11:16:24 AM

Nabb1: Good lord. That's one of the most heroic things I've ever read about.



Yes, that.
 
2014-01-31 12:05:18 PM
War is hell.
 
2014-01-31 12:06:21 PM
Now I have this image of a naked guy with just a helmet and a flackvest running around killing terrorists.
 
2014-01-31 12:09:20 PM
Get this man his Medal.

/actually I know nothing about its qualifications, but my lay opinion is that this should count.
//STFU Tony Perkins, soldiers who save lives have as much right to honor as those who take them.
 
2014-01-31 12:09:39 PM
RIP, Sgt. Cashe. Sounds like you were a better man than most.
 
2014-01-31 12:11:46 PM
grumpfuff:


/RIP
//Nice to see the hero tag being used legit for once


i thought it was used mainly for gays who are coming out of the closet.

this dude is a real hero.

RIP brother.  you made a difference.
 
2014-01-31 12:15:22 PM
I hate the cult of military hero-worship we have in the US.

But THAT is a hero.

As for the political side of the article, I don't think that having a long, drawn out process requiring lots of proof is wrong for the military's highest honor.  However, there is more to it than that.  The idea that "battlefield" is so strictly limited that such obvious heroism isn't recognized simply because the enemy attacked remotely instead of in person is ridiculous.   There was an attack.  His men were injured, many later died.  In agonizing pain, he sacrificed his life to save as many of his soldiers as he could.

Give him, and others exhibiting heroism in similar situations, their goddam medals, you incompetent bureaucratical farks.
 
2014-01-31 12:16:37 PM
/salute
 
2014-01-31 12:17:29 PM
>Wounded and drenched in diesel fuel, he pulled the Bradley's driver from his seat before the flames reached there, dragging him to safety.

Former Bradley driver here and I will confirm that is no small task. Imagine trying to pull prob 200+ lbs (at least) of free weight out of a  storm drain with only about a foot and a half of clearance (due to the hatch) using only your upper body strength (even standing on the armor skirt step up with leverage),  The fact that he did so with second and third degree burns over 90% of body is incredible and to go back and start helping clear out the troop compartment afterwards is beyond  incredible.

Give this soldier the MoH and let him rest in peace.
 
2014-01-31 12:17:46 PM
I think it's more that they couldn't tell if the pinging sound was rounds striking the Bradley or Cashe's big giant brass ball clanging together after being freed from his burned off pants.
 
2014-01-31 12:18:48 PM

show me: I was going to complain about this being tagged "politics," but I RTFA and the politics of the situation is about why the hell isn't this guy given the Medal of Honor?


Your first reaction was right. If there was any connection at all between the Army's stinginess in not giving this guy the medal and actual politicians, this story would belong here.
 
2014-01-31 12:22:35 PM
This soldier essentially gave his life saving two others.  His actions tried to save five more, but the same burns that took him took them.

MoH is well-warranted.  Get it done already before the sands of time cover it up.
 
2014-01-31 12:30:13 PM

xxmedium: Former Bradley driver here and I will confirm that is no small task. Imagine trying to pull prob 200+ lbs (at least) of free weight out of a  storm drain with only about a foot and a half of clearance (due to the hatch) using only your upper body strength (even standing on the armor skirt step up with leverage),  The fact that he did so with second and third degree burns over 90% of body is incredible and to go back and start helping clear out the troop compartment afterwards is beyond  incredible.


He didn't have the burns then.  He knowingly ran into an inferno while drenched in fuel after that to save more men.  In other words he chose to immolate himself in an attempt to save the lives of others. It's a situation where even the bravest of people couldn't be blamed if they saved themselves. He deserves more honor than any medal could bring him.
 
2014-01-31 12:31:24 PM
fark just a medal, this is the kind of bravery that should be taught in schools. This is the kind of action that I wouldn't have half the balls to do. This is what superheros look like in reality.

RIP sir. May you be a beacon of courage to all you left behind.
 
2014-01-31 12:32:20 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-31 12:34:24 PM
A HERO is someone that can get a war crimes conviction on those that started this mess.
 
Ab3
2014-01-31 12:36:53 PM
Wow. They really cleared the Cashe...


/I hate myself now...
//Aisle seat...
 
2014-01-31 12:37:53 PM
All I can think of is that this sounds like a really terrible way to die.
 
2014-01-31 12:38:30 PM

TonnageVT: fark just a medal, this is the kind of bravery that should be taught in schools. This is the kind of action that I wouldn't have half the balls to do. This is what superheros look like in reality.

RIP sir. May you be a beacon of courage to all you left behind.


Yeah, I agree.  If the politics of the situation won't give him the medal, then this guy's story should be required learning for all new army soldiers.
 
2014-01-31 12:41:23 PM

Wooly Bully: show me: I was going to complain about this being tagged "politics," but I RTFA and the politics of the situation is about why the hell isn't this guy given the Medal of Honor?

Your first reaction was right. If there was any connection at all between the Army's stinginess in not giving this guy the medal and actual politicians, this story would belong here.


From Wiki:
There are two distinct protocols for awarding the Medal of Honor. The first and most common is nomination and approval through the chain of command of the service member. The second method is nomination by a member of the U.S. Congress, generally at the request of a constituent, and the subsequent approval via a special Act of Congress.

Keep in mind, the time between the act, the nomination, and the awarding can be a long process at times.  They don't give out the Medal of Honor at the drop of a hat and on an expedited manner.
 
2014-01-31 12:43:32 PM
Being burned is the most painful experience I've ever had, and I only burnt my hand.  Burns over 90% of the body is so unfathomably painful that I'd cry if I allowed myself to think about it.

Here's to at least 24 hours of respectful tribute before the "Hero" tag is debased by some story about a burrito eating competition.
 
2014-01-31 12:56:36 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Keep in mind, the time between the act, the nomination, and the awarding can be a long process at times.  They don't give out the Medal of Honor at the drop of a hat and on an expedited manner.


I understand exactly what you are saying and agree with it. The thing is, though, that this happened in October 2005. I perhaps showed a bit too much outrage, because they are still in the process and he might still get it.
 
2014-01-31 12:59:59 PM

show me: I was going to complain about this being tagged "politics," but I RTFA and the politics of the situation is about why the hell isn't this guy given the Medal of Honor?


I can tell you the one big reason why he hasn't been awarded the MoH, but just go through the article again and see if you can see why he hasn't.

The fact that the Army only awarded him a Silver Star disgusts me to no end.  They give those things to people who have desk jobs in Afg/Irq and don't see any part of combat beyond getting fresh fruit at the chow hall.  Seriously, I knew an Army psychiatrist who never left base, was there for 12 months, and got home to a Silver Star waiting as a end of tour award.

/maybe it was a Bronze Star, but no big difference in my book.
 
2014-01-31 01:01:56 PM
poor guy. give him the medal and name a obstacle at Benning after him

side note, flammable/melty combat uniforms eventually went out of fashion, but it took a fark ton of messes like this to fix it
 
2014-01-31 01:17:21 PM

Captain Dan: Being burned is the most painful experience I've ever had, and I only burnt my hand.  Burns over 90% of the body is so unfathomably painful that I'd cry if I allowed myself to think about it.

Here's to at least 24 hours of respectful tribute before the "Hero" tag is debased by some story about a burrito eating competition.


True. For some reason the burrito eating thing made me burst out laughing.

This guy is a true hero though.
 
2014-01-31 01:39:54 PM
xxmedium:

Give this soldier the MoH and let him rest in peace.

I feel that he is resting in peace because he wouldn't give a crap about the trivialness of this debacle.
 
2014-01-31 01:49:50 PM
Wounded and drenched in diesel fuel, he pulled the Bradley's driver from his seat before the flames reached there, dragging him to safety.

And then he went back.

And then he went back.

And then he went back.

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You go back with the army you have, not with the army you wish you had.
 
2014-01-31 01:57:37 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Wooly Bully: show me: I was going to complain about this being tagged "politics," but I RTFA and the politics of the situation is about why the hell isn't this guy given the Medal of Honor?

Your first reaction was right. If there was any connection at all between the Army's stinginess in not giving this guy the medal and actual politicians, this story would belong here.

From Wiki:
There are two distinct protocols for awarding the Medal of Honor. The first and most common is nomination and approval through the chain of command of the service member. The second method is nomination by a member of the U.S. Congress, generally at the request of a constituent, and the subsequent approval via a special Act of Congress.

Keep in mind, the time between the act, the nomination, and the awarding can be a long process at times.  They don't give out the Medal of Honor at the drop of a hat and on an expedited manner.


I didn't know that. So apparently this has the potential to become an actual political story, but just hasn't yet.
 
2014-01-31 01:57:37 PM
QFSSC:

Sergeant First Class Cashe was initially slightly injured and drenched with fuel. Despite his condition, he bravely managed to get out of the gunner's hatch, crawl down the BFV and assist the driver out of the driver's hatch. The driver had been burned and Sergeant First Class Cashe extinguished his flames. The following minutes were crucial. Six soldiers and a translator were in the back of the Bradley. Flames had engulfed the entire vehicle from the bottom and were coming out of every portal. The squad leader inside the vehicle managed to open the troop hatch door to help the soldiers escape. Without regard for his personal safety, Sergeant First Class Cashe rushed to the back of the vehicle, reaching into the hot flames and started pulling out his soldiers. The flames gripped his fuel soaked uniform. Flames quickly spread all over his body. Despite the terrible pain, Sergeant First Class Cashe placed the injured soldier on the ground and returned to the burning vehicle to retrieve another burning soldier; all the while, he was still on fire. A crew from a trail Bradley arrived within moments and assisted with CASEVAC. During all this and with severe burns, Sergeant First Class Cashe bravely continued to take control of the chaos. Within minutes, the company First Sergeant was on the scene and began to evacuate the seriously injured soldiers. One of which was Sergeant First Class Cashe. In the end, the national translator was killed in action, and 10 soldiers were injured. Seven of the ten were very seriously injured. Sergeant First Class Cashe stayed a hero through it all. His injuries were the worst as he suffered form 2d and 3d degree burns over 72% of his body.
 
2014-01-31 02:13:56 PM

Mi-5: I can tell you the one big reason why he hasn't been awarded the MoH, but just go through the article again and see if you can see why he hasn't.

The fact that the Army only awarded him a Silver Star disgusts me to no end.  They give those things to people who have desk jobs in Afg/Irq and don't see any part of combat beyond getting fresh fruit at the chow hall.  Seriously, I knew an Army psychiatrist who never left base, was there for 12 months, and got home to a Silver Star waiting as a end of tour award.

/maybe it was a Bronze Star, but no big difference in my book.



It was a Bronze Star and they are different. The Bronze Star is awarded both for meritorious service in a combat zone and for valor (when worn with a "V" clasp). Many people think this is stupid because it mixes two different awards for different reasons. The Silver Star is awarded only for valor in action and is the third highest award. Not high enough for  Sgt Cashe IMO but definitely not interchangeable with a Bronze Star, especially not the service kind.
 
2014-01-31 03:07:26 PM

Emposter: I hate the cult of military hero-worship we have in the US.

But THAT is a hero.

As for the political side of the article, I don't think that having a long, drawn out process requiring lots of proof is wrong for the military's highest honor.  However, there is more to it than that.  The idea that "battlefield" is so strictly limited that such obvious heroism isn't recognized simply because the enemy attacked remotely instead of in person is ridiculous.   There was an attack.  His men were injured, many later died.  In agonizing pain, he sacrificed his life to save as many of his soldiers as he could.

Give him, and others exhibiting heroism in similar situations, their goddam medals, you incompetent bureaucratical farks.


^^^ this ^^^
 
2014-01-31 03:22:00 PM
Damn my room is dusty.

Someone should start a petition on WhiteHouse.gov
 
2014-01-31 03:25:41 PM

efgeise: Damn my room is dusty.


Seems to be going around...
 
2014-01-31 04:41:54 PM

Captain Dan: Being burned is the most painful experience I've ever had, and I only burnt my hand.  Burns over 90% of the body is so unfathomably painful that I'd cry if I allowed myself to think about it.

Here's to at least 24 hours of respectful tribute before the "Hero" tag is debased by some story about a burrito eating competition.


Me too! For about five years afterwards, I would damn near break down even hearing about burn victims. That really freaking hurts!
 
2014-01-31 09:58:45 PM
Wow.  Just wow.
 
2014-01-31 10:51:54 PM
Given the likelihood of increasing low-intensity asymmetrical combat in the future, don't they really need to abandon the "battlefield" requirement for the Medal of Honor? Hitting an IED in a hostile country when they're fighting an insurgency means they're in a "battlefield,' even if it's not a "battlefield" like we used to have back in the Olden Days. And apparently it's why this soldier wasn't nominated for MoH right from the start, because his commanders figured they were on their way back and not really in "combat" per se.

They were in combat. The rules have changed.
 
2014-02-01 12:14:29 AM

Captain Darling: Mi-5: I can tell you the one big reason why he hasn't been awarded the MoH, but just go through the article again and see if you can see why he hasn't.

The fact that the Army only awarded him a Silver Star disgusts me to no end.  They give those things to people who have desk jobs in Afg/Irq and don't see any part of combat beyond getting fresh fruit at the chow hall.  Seriously, I knew an Army psychiatrist who never left base, was there for 12 months, and got home to a Silver Star waiting as a end of tour award.

/maybe it was a Bronze Star, but no big difference in my book.


It was a Bronze Star and they are different. The Bronze Star is awarded both for meritorious service in a combat zone and for valor (when worn with a "V" clasp). Many people think this is stupid because it mixes two different awards for different reasons. The Silver Star is awarded only for valor in action and is the third highest award. Not high enough for  Sgt Cashe IMO but definitely not interchangeable with a Bronze Star, especially not the service kind.


My grandfather received the Bronze Star with Valor for being one of the survivors on the  Franklin in WW2 after it was hit. The ships Chaplin, Father O'Callahan, got the MoH for doing pretty much the same thing that Sgt. Cashe did; braving intense fires to save lives. There's no reason why the Sgt. shouldn't get the MoH here, especially given his conscious sacrifice.
 
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