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2014-01-30 05:09:47 PM  
14 votes:
The Italian justice system seems, from an outside observer's viewpoint, to be not only completely incompetent and capricious, but deeply corrupt.
2014-01-30 05:09:09 PM  
13 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.
2014-01-30 05:18:17 PM  
8 votes:
Lock her ass up with the seismologists who failed to predict an earthquake. Italian justice obviously knows better than any experts.
2014-01-30 05:16:57 PM  
7 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.




Maybe the not-guilty opinions have something to do with the almost complete lack of evidence, or the fact that the original trial was laced with theories about satanic/Freemason ritual sex abuse.

Or Americans are just assholes. Let's go with that.
2014-01-30 05:15:08 PM  
6 votes:
Didn't the "evidence" in this case come down to "someone said she once heard Knox say something bad about the victim" and also she didn't "act right" after the homicide; so clearly she's a depraved killer?
2014-01-30 05:10:56 PM  
6 votes:
What a farce. Though the person I feel really bad for here is Sollecito -- he's an Italian citizen and can't get away, whereas it'll be a cold day in hell before Knox is extradited. So he's going back to the slammer just so the Italian justice system doesn't have to admit how much they farked up the initial investigation. At this rate, the actual murderer is going to be out in a year or two, whereas Knox and Sollecito are going to be pursued by this for the rest of their natural lives.
2014-01-30 05:10:35 PM  
6 votes:
Does anyone other than the Italians, actually think that the Italian justice system didn't horribly botch the hell out of the entire case?
2014-01-30 05:09:48 PM  
6 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


Clearly you haven't paid much attention at all. I'd go in to expansive detail on why this is not only a gross miscarriage of justice but I'm close to clocking out for the day.

Really, there wasn't 1 piece of empirical evidence that could reliably link Amanda Knox to the murder.

/Evidence was she had a fingerprint on a knife she owned in her apartment
//AFAIK wasn't even the murder weapon.
2014-01-30 05:54:23 PM  
5 votes:

CleanAndPure: She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?


If it wasn't made public, how the fark do you know about it?!
2014-01-30 05:13:02 PM  
5 votes:
I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.
2014-01-30 06:28:38 PM  
4 votes:

tlchwi02: LemSkroob: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.

i wonder how they work that into the man they have in prison (the drifter fellow) who admitted to the murder? Knox was arguing with kercher, then some guy dove in through the window and started raping and stabbing kercher and knox just figured she'd go with it (oh and then knox's BF also stabbed kercher a few times, because he didn't want to be the only guy there who hadn't stabbed someone?)


Exactly. Rude Guede's DNA was under Kercher's fingernails, and in her vagina. He had a history of burglary and the house had been broken into. He was caught trying to flee to Germany and was arrested days before the murder with a knife in his possession. Then he confessed to the murder and didn't name either Knox or Sollecito as accomplices. But we are expected to believe that actually all three of them murdered Kercher together, and then Knox and Sollecito cheerfully stuck around while their accomplice fled the country? And why wouldn't Guede name his accomplices if he was going to confess? Or are we supposed to believe that Guede broke into the wrong house and then decided to fark a corpse and scratch himself with her fingernails?
2014-01-30 05:31:19 PM  
4 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


Eh?  Read what Douglas Child has written about the Italy legal system.  It's as corrupt as they get, and Knox was lucky to get out of there.
2014-01-30 05:18:47 PM  
4 votes:

The Dog Ate My Homework: Pfft. No way an intelligent, cute, white chick would do something like that. Now if it had been some "thug" black dude...well...


I think it is more a complete lack of evidence.

And that the real murderer is already in prison for the crime.
2014-01-30 05:18:19 PM  
4 votes:
Dear Ms. Knox,

Congratulations!  You have been selected as one of the winners of a free Playstation 4.  You can pick it up during normal business hours at the following address:

Via Gino dall'Oro, 14, Roma, Italy
+39 06 245 6011
 
Best wishes,
Polizia di Stato
Sony
2014-01-30 05:12:47 PM  
4 votes:

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


It seems there is some leeway on that one. Italy will not allow someone to be sent here if they face the death penalty for example, and the US may take umbrage at the double jeopardy in this case.
2014-01-30 05:12:42 PM  
4 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


No, Americans believe that DNA evidence is pretty much the same the wide world over, and even Americans overseas are not immune to leaving DNA evidence behind if they stab someone to death. Or do they believe that Americans can levitate and magically erase DNA where you come from?
2014-01-30 05:06:17 PM  
4 votes:
Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.
2014-01-30 11:25:15 PM  
3 votes:
It's really depressing to me that so many people are just mentally deranged (the conspiracy theorists!) or utterly incapable of critical thinking.

The cops clearly captured the murderer within days and he's currently serving time for the murder. None of the rest of the case makes any modicum of sense. There is no established motive, there's no confession, there's no murder weapon, there's no DNA evidence. There is literally nothing, in fact the man that was charged and sentence to murder didn't even implicate Amanda until after the police turned her into a suspect and went to interrogate him again!

To me, the above is the most telling incongruity. If they had Guede in custody and he was going to charged with murder, then wouldn't it be in his best interest to implicate the others in the murder? He could have even concocted a story like, "I was having sex with Meridith and then those two devil worshipping evil doers came in and attacked us - I fled for my life!" I mean, he'd have to be pretty creative/and or stupid, to think that something like that would fly with the police - but hey, evidently that was almost EXACTLY the scenario that the prosecution first proposed.

To me, the above is just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Not even very much, it just examines what we might consider people acting in their own rational self interest. It doesn't make sense for Guede to avoid the opportunity to shift blame from himself to others, assuming that he knew they were also present at the murder. It would logically be his first, best move to either shift suspicion or get a lighter sentence. The fact that it was actually the police who instigated this instead of him is absolutely bizarre.

The only conclusion you can logically make from the above is that there was no one that Guede was aware of that he could shift blame to, because he was alone when he committed the crime. The police literally handed him a reduced sentence on a platter for no other reason than the prosecutor seemed to be insane?
2014-01-30 06:11:10 PM  
3 votes:

CleanAndPure: No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.


False. Their stories were mostly consistent, and anyway this isn't evidence of murder.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

False. There is a tiny amount of blood in the sink which could easily be overlooked.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

False. Kercher's blood was not on the knife and subsequent tests confirmed that in both appeals. And there is no evidence that it was cleaned by bleach. Also the witness that said Knox purchased bleach recanted.

Was spotted arguing by people.

So what.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

False. She saw the murder scene when police broke down the door.

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

The police abused her into naming the innocent man by questioning her for hours on end while denying her sleep and food with no attorney present and no translator, and the "lost" the interrogation tapes.
2014-01-30 06:07:06 PM  
3 votes:

TheBigJerk: Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.

50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.


If you want to lose what little faith you can have in the US Justice system, watch West of Memphis, about the prosecution and incarceration of the West Memphis 3.

There are still people locally who argue they are guilty because they worshipped satan, and other nonsense that was quite literally beaten out of a borderline mentally retarded, scared teenager in a 20 hour interrogation.

Their case was literally "They play DooM, listen to devil music, and have long hair." And one of them got the death penalty for it.
2014-01-30 05:41:35 PM  
3 votes:

R.A.Danny: Does she still have a passport?

The United States maintains diplomatic relations but, according to the above-mentioned list, does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (except Hong Kong), Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia,[7]Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Vietnam, Yemen, and the countries formerly part of Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia.


Micronesia looks nice.
It may be more relevant to see which nations have extradition treaties with Italy though.
2014-01-30 05:41:27 PM  
3 votes:
No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

Was spotted arguing by people.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

Keep telling yourselves there is no evidence. Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.

No. I don't believe in double jeopardy... but if you look at unbiased sources instead of just American media you will see it is actually a quite clear case against her.
2014-01-30 05:15:35 PM  
3 votes:

wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.


The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.
2014-01-30 05:14:55 PM  
3 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


Can't tell if you're trolling or not, but there's literally no evidence tending to show that she was involved in the killing that doesn't have a much more likely and mundane explanation.

/Not to mention that there's a completely unrelated person (whose guilt is beyond doubt) already convicted of the crime.
2014-01-30 05:13:07 PM  
3 votes:
And in other news:

http://www.google.com
2014-01-30 05:10:29 PM  
3 votes:

ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.


I like how the article makes it clear (a couple times) that she doesn't plan on going back.  Is there really anybody reading the article who thinks "OMG, now she has to go back to Italy and go to prison!"

Assuming she really is innocent...I think I'd just kick back and enjoy life as a "wanted murderer in Italy".  Might as well own it.  Of course, I'd be wary of ever traveling out of the country.  Not sure I'd ever trust any other country to NOT pack me up and send me to Italy.
2014-01-30 05:09:38 PM  
3 votes:
i.chzbgr.com

/go f yourselves, shiatty Italian justice system
2014-01-30 05:07:48 PM  
3 votes:
Thanks for the link to NBC's front page! No, don't mind me, Fark.  I'll find my way from here.
2014-01-30 05:06:56 PM  
3 votes:
And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.
2014-01-30 10:57:55 PM  
2 votes:
walktoanarcade:Why would I want her to be guilty?   There's lots of questionable stuff that I can and cannot prove, but none of it makes me want for any of the good to be bad. Just like people may fascinate, offend, amaze, or even scare me, none of them (owed of a pretty face, no less) make me want to banish my logic and go for the sleazy, easy balm of brainless witch-hunting.

But you really seem to be banishing your logic to go for the sleazy, easy balm of brainless witch-hunting.  Perhaps it's not you, though.  Perhaps, given that you paid attention to the media at the inception of this case, you've simply been exposed for too long to the sleazy and brainless witch-hunting brought to you by people who really, really REALLY want this bitatch to be guilty.  Consider the various narratives in the Trayvon Martin case, and how they were formed by the media's presentation of the case, and how many people came up with unshakeable convictions regarding the case based off of incomplete, and in some cases quite skewed presentations.

I barely knew about this case until a Fark link last year regarding the over-turning of the previous guilty verdict.  I don't know if that's really an advantage, but I can say this, by the time I started to read about it it seems that both sides, for and against her guilt, are pretty well on the table, and after reading them, the actual facts of the case, I cannot see how Anybody, looking at this with an objective mind, can find the prosecution's original story credible.  The amount of work she'd have to do to not leave any trace of her involvement in the argument or sex game leading up to the death, the total lack of physical evidence tying her to the crime -- she would have to be a genius, and a complete sociopath, to pull that off, and nothing else other than this case corroborates the idea that she is..  But she also has to be so bad at it that she screams "bitatch be guilty" from a mile away.  The alternative, as I see it, is that the prosecution's story is false, she didn't do it, the girl was murdered by one guy, and then this was driven largely by tabloids and one crazy-arse prosecutor to get the idea that she had anything to do with it.

There is a murder investigation going right now in my home town.  A very pretty female is accused of killing a middle-aged man.  She was found in Florida with weapons and drugs in her car, and one has been identified as probably the murder weapon.  I'm willing to believe she killed that guy, despite her being pretty.  Knox's case doesn't have anything to do with what she looks like.  It just looks absurd.  That's it.

Somebody posted this link above, with a good breakdown of what I see is the flaws:  http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html

Look it over, and see if you can reconcile it with your hunch that she just seems guilty.  Or, if you know something the rest of us don't debunk the things mentioned in the link and offer a reasonable explanation.  There are reasonable explanations against all the reasons that people think Knox has been acting guilty.  They've been offered up several times in this thread.  What's missing are the reasonable explanation against all the physical evidence, based in our observable, physical reality, that it's virtually impossible that Knox killed that girl.  Can you fill that void?
2014-01-30 08:42:21 PM  
2 votes:
this thread is terrible and i farking hate all of you
2014-01-30 07:47:31 PM  
2 votes:

MagicianNamedGob: jso2897: MagicianNamedGob: PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.

You're wrong about that. Italy refuses to extradite murderers to the U.S. on  human rights grounds because we have the death penalty. The U.S. will almost certainly refuse to extradite Knox. The consensus opinion is that the U.S. will cite double jeopardy as a "polite" way to say no. But if it wants to make a statement it will refuse on the grounds that the evidence against her was insufficient. E.U. countries and the U.s. refuse extraditions to each other some what regularly.

This is why they did this - they were able to save face, in the knowledge that they won't be extraditing her, and they don't have to deal with the backfire from that. It was an empty gesture to make a corrupt, perverted old prosecutor feel better about himself - and it costs only the expense of the trial.

They are also putting an innocent Italian man in prison.


This. He's the guy I feel the most sorry for in this media circus of a case. But I guess to the Italians, he's just another statistic that "balances out" the rights and wrongs of their broken justice system.
Boe [TotalFark]
2014-01-30 06:56:48 PM  
2 votes:

indylaw: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Maybe the not-guilty opinions have something to do with the almost complete lack of evidence, or the fact that the original trial was laced with theories about satanic/Freemason ritual sex abuse.

Or Americans are just assholes. Let's go with that.


Or the fact that this is the same justice system that convicted and jailed scientists for not predicting earthquakes.
2014-01-30 06:43:03 PM  
2 votes:

rka: PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.

Not being a US citizen maybe you don't quite get the mindset here.

The US gives fark-all about honoring extradition treaties with Italy.

There is ZERO chance a US court grants an extradition for a US citizen to face a corrupt Italian kangaroo court (which is basically the entire Italian legal system) for a crime the Italians set her free on once already.


This is actually call for John Kerry, not the courts.

I very much doubt he'll order her extradition, but that would actually be very unusual in the context of modern extraditions from the US to Italy: the only recent example where an extradition request was declined was when it was about several CIA agents. Usually, it's goes through without ruffling any feathers whatsoever, no matter how you wish to paint the Italian judicial system (which isn't particularly corrupt, no matter what you wish to pretend)
2014-01-30 06:11:46 PM  
2 votes:
Italian justice at it's finest. I definitely feel sorry for the Kerchers, but Amanda Knox never should have been prosecuted in the first place.
2014-01-30 06:06:37 PM  
2 votes:
Acquit her, convict her, let her stay here, extradite her. I don't much care. Whatever keeps her whiny face out of the spotlight forever is what I support.

www.etonline.com
2014-01-30 05:58:41 PM  
2 votes:

Starshines: kwame: CleanAndPure: I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.

The media and Americans are making unfounded assumptions about her.

And your counter is another unfounded assumption.

Well, OK then.

What unfounded assumptions are Americans making about her?  That she shouldn't be convicted with "evidence" that's patently absurd?


You fail to understand:  If an American points out the lack of actual evidence supporting the Knox conviction, it's proof of American hegemony something something.  So there.
2014-01-30 05:45:11 PM  
2 votes:

Moopy Mac: Gyrfalcon: Didn't the "evidence" in this case come down to "someone said she once heard Knox say something bad about the victim" and also she didn't "act right" after the homicide; so clearly she's a depraved killer?

She was tried by the Italian (and English) tabloids.


And also by a prosecutor with a history of inventing fantastic conspiracies around the crimes he investigates with no meaningful evidence that more people are involved, and who when caught out in lies tends to create even more fabulous lies - one of the best examples being when his claims about Franscesco Narducci's body being stolen/swapped turned out to be wrong, that of course meant the body must have been swapped twice to explain why the actual expert tested the exhumed body and confirmed the identity.
2014-01-30 05:32:58 PM  
2 votes:
With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.
2014-01-30 05:31:37 PM  
2 votes:

ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.

[googledrive.com image 240x313]

Oooo...rush me to the Burns Unit.

/when your IQ increases to match your age, call me
//not holding my breath


Did you even read about the case?
Because your ignorance in the matter is astounding, unless you're propping up a troll account with your own level of derp, which has reached potato-like levels, btw.


In other words....
www.applehammerwebdesign.com
2014-01-30 05:29:19 PM  
2 votes:
For someone who travels as much as Knox did, it must kind of suck to know she'll never be able to leave the United States again.
2014-01-30 05:20:30 PM  
2 votes:

wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.


It was. The prosecutor has a long history of full bore crazy. Their 'justice system' is third world at best. Read Douglas Preston's Monster of Florence if you have any doubt.
2014-01-30 05:18:51 PM  
2 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


If you're trolling:
Good job man, epic response levels.

If you're not:
So you agree with the prosecutor that, despite zero evidence of her guilt AND the conviction of ANOTHER defendant who carried out the murder by himself, that Amada Knox is a secret Satan worshiper who killed her victim as part of a Satanic ritual?
2014-01-30 05:18:41 PM  
2 votes:

CleanAndPure: R.A.Danny: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.

I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.


Yeah except that unlike the OJ trial, the cops already had the crack-head rapist who actually committed the crime in jail
2014-01-30 05:16:47 PM  
2 votes:

CleanAndPure: but she's as guilty as OJ



No.
2014-01-30 05:14:00 PM  
2 votes:

What_do_you_want_now: /Evidence was she had a fingerprint on a knife she owned in her apartment
//AFAIK wasn't even the murder weapon.


It was confirmed to not be the murder weapon. The murder weapon has never been found or presented in the case, as I understand it.

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


No, staying the US is her best option, but she can probably never leave. The US is not likely to extradite her simply because she was previously acquitted and to do so would violate our own principles of not allowing double jeopardy. Then you combine that with the extremely weak and mishandled evidence in the case and she's going to be ok staying here.
2014-01-30 05:12:12 PM  
2 votes:

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


I realize there is a difference of opinion from overseas, but I don't get it. This isn't an OJ style case where there is definitive motive. I'd say there is legit reasonable doubt from the details I've heard, and she'd have to be quite the psychopath to have done what they claim. I simply find that unlikely.
2014-01-30 05:09:19 PM  
2 votes:

ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.


Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.
2014-01-30 05:08:55 PM  
2 votes:
I swear I just read that the prosecution did absolutely nothing to change their case this time around, even though their Supreme Court told them to fark off.

If Knox's lawyers appeal it, hopefully when it gets to them this time, they choose to take the prosecution's legal briefs with them to the bathroom, just to save the toilet paper.
2014-01-31 09:30:23 AM  
1 vote:
 Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.


Yes, it is.  Mignini is determined to find a sex orgy based murder.
2014-01-31 07:47:50 AM  
1 vote:

walktoanarcade: jonas opines: Can you fill that void?

Seriously, though, does it matter? Is Italy going to kidnap her?


There's an Italian man likely to spend 25 years in prison for no better reason than, apparently, "there was something in (his girlfriend's) eyes" that people didn't like.  Just because it doesn't affect me directly, I can still find that horrifying.  Because if it happens once, it can probably happen again.  And again and again.
2014-01-31 05:47:50 AM  
1 vote:

ElPresidente: Using a child's cartoon as a basis for an argument to try to prove you're intellectually superior is no way to go through life, son.


Here's a hint: I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended to be an argument. It's uncanny how some will act like jackasses and then will be terribly put off that so many people respond with little more than pointing and laughing. It's as if they think they're entitled to something better. From down in the hole you dug yourself into, condescension isn't really an option.
2014-01-31 12:13:09 AM  
1 vote:

spiderpaz: hardinparamedic: TheBigJerk: Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.

50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.

If you want to lose what little faith you can have in the US Justice system, watch West of Memphis, about the prosecution and incarceration of the West Memphis 3.

There are still people locally who argue they are guilty because they worshipped satan, and other nonsense that was quite literally beaten out of a borderline mentally retarded, scared teenager in a 20 hour interrogation.

Their case was literally "They play DooM, listen to devil music, and have long hair." And one of them got the death penalty for it.

Oh when we compare countries we can use examples from 50+ years ago for one and present day for the other and pretend that's legit?  When can we get to Germany?


20+ years ago.   The West Memphis 3 were convicted in '94 (I had to look that up).  You are confusing who was talking about what, I was speaking of when "Satanic cult" was a popular meme across America.   Hardinparamedickindly pointed out that when you actually stop and think about it, that period never really stopped.  Just trying to write this paragraph I realized, "nope, every way I try to describe the period of evangelical hysteria I am thinking of fails because the description is not clearly different from current evangelical hysteria."

Now this case is also Red State Retard-land we're talking about.  It is one case which was a small-town railroading of locals.  NOT an international case involving the highest court in the land.  Yet it still happened in America and according to the wikisthe farking best the (pretty clearly innocent) defendants could get after 20 years of fighting (it ended in 2011, less than three years ago) was a plea-bargain where the state said, "kiss my boots and say this was all your fault and I'll let you go," and they said, "yes master *kiss* *kiss*."

Hmm, speaking of unnecessarily creepy fanfiction...sorry about that.

Now this was largely tangential, the differences between these two gross miscarriages of justice are obvious, but it is a reminder, we got problems right here at home too.

And both of them stem from shiatbag fundies being anywhere near things better handled by adults.
2014-01-30 10:53:57 PM  
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SlothB77: She's smoking hot, so she's staying put right here in the USA.


That would be British smoking hot, right?
2014-01-30 10:07:43 PM  
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The_Original_Roxtar: AMANDA KNOX MURDERED TRAYVON MARTIN!


Not bad but needs more Nancy Grace.
2014-01-30 08:53:48 PM  
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MagicianNamedGob: Bungles: hardinparamedic: Bungles: China White Tea: Bungles:

This isn't double jeopardy,


You do understand that words have meanings, right?

Yes, and if you actually read my posts (and the 99% of the posts on virtually any int.law forum with a Knox thread) you'll see why few would say it is.

So she was never declared not guilty on an appeal of the case, and then tried again for the same charge she was found not guilty on?

No, that's the point. She was "Acquitted pending appeal", which gives her travel rights, and which some of the more lightweight news channels reported as "acquitted", because there's no exact analogue in the US. I made this point repeatedly in the last thread an age ago, that the trial was still technically on-going, and was repeatedly shouted down with the "She's free! She's cleared! Shut up!" shouting.

It was the second stage in a tri-part review. It's the same trial. The equivalent in the US would be like saying verdict and sentencing are different trials in the US, because they often happen separately. They're not. They're stages in the same trial, it's just the US chooses to usually separate them.


This is nothing to do with my opinion on her guilt or innocence, it's just the bald facts of what's actually, technically, going on here.

It's less clear than this. You're right that there's no American analog which is what makes this tricky. In the U.S. an appellate court would not review evidence, it would say that the trial was procedurally defective and order a do-over. But the Italian appeals court did consider evidence and ruled that there was not enough evidence needed to convict Knox and Solecito and thus acquitted them. No new trial needed. But as you point out, that decision was subject to appeal. The U.S. may (and according to many experts will) say that an acquittal by a fact finder triggers double jeopardy. But for what it's worth apparently Alan Dershowitz thinks you're right.


Given that this isn't a new thing in the Italian court system to happen (it's pretty regular for internal trials to bounce through the stringed-out appeal system), unless the diplomats were drunk in the early 80s when the treaty was drafted, I can't see how the possibility of a normal part of the Italian system - if thought by the US to be double jeopardy - wouldn't have been explicitly outlined as such in the agreement.

US extradition treaties don't tend to be sloppy.
2014-01-30 08:34:56 PM  
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hardinparamedic: Bungles: China White Tea: Bungles:

This isn't double jeopardy,


You do understand that words have meanings, right?

Yes, and if you actually read my posts (and the 99% of the posts on virtually any int.law forum with a Knox thread) you'll see why few would say it is.

So she was never declared not guilty on an appeal of the case, and then tried again for the same charge she was found not guilty on?


No, that's the point. She was "Acquitted pending appeal", which gives her travel rights, and which some of the more lightweight news channels reported as "acquitted", because there's no exact analogue in the US. I made this point repeatedly in the last thread an age ago, that the trial was still technically on-going, and was repeatedly shouted down with the "She's free! She's cleared! Shut up!" shouting.

It was the second stage in a tri-part review. It's the same trial. The equivalent in the US would be like saying verdict and sentencing are different trials in the US, because they often happen separately. They're not. They're stages in the same trial, it's just the US chooses to usually separate them.


This is nothing to do with my opinion on her guilt or innocence, it's just the bald facts of what's actually, technically, going on here.
2014-01-30 08:21:58 PM  
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2014-01-30 08:15:32 PM  
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keepitcherry: Cyclometh: The Italian justice system seems, from an outside observer's viewpoint, to be not only completely incompetent and capricious, but deeply corrupt.

So what you're saying is it's just like ours?


Nah, Italy has the US beat by miles in the "shiatty justice system" department.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/us-italy-earthquake-court- id USBRE89L13V20121022

The US justice system is shiat, but Italy is pants-on-head farktarded.
2014-01-30 08:14:08 PM  
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Bungles: She won't be extradited, but that will be because John Kerry chooses not to, rather than his hand being forced by pretending this is a double jeopardy issue.


It is double jeopardy under our law - just as the death penalty is, under theirs. And the John Kerry crap is just paranoid nonsense.
You admit that there is no real chance that Knox will ever be extradited, but invent a convenient plot by The Evil John Kerry.
So, you have created a narrative where you can be dead wrong, but still call yourself right.
Well - no point in my arguing with you further.
2014-01-30 08:03:49 PM  
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walktoanarcade: Why is it so hard to believe?   The debil [sic] part is probably pure bunk, but what if it isn't? Some sick bastards actually do kill people in "rituals" on a fairly regular basis. Maybe you're weary and remember the cult hysteria of the 80s deep down inside?

It isn't like I'm faulting anyone for thinking she's innocent, as she may well be. Her story perfectly tickles my "Bitach Be-Guitly" bone.


Are you sure it doesn't tickle your "I want this bitach to be guilty" bone?  I wouldn't fault you, it's highly salacious, would make a great movie.  We all like lurid stories.  Perhaps, though, we should define what you mean when you refer to the sick bastards who actually do kill people in rituals on a fairly regular basis.  What rituals?  What's a "regular basis" to you?  I see a lot of that crap on TV shows, but very rarely in real life except for in travesties of justice like the afore-mentioned West Memphis 3 back in the '80s.

I was friends with the local fetish troupe back in college (well, mostly due to my eventually-to-be-wife) and I have trouble believing the sex game idea from my experience with them.  Because as a group they were both careful, and consensual, and, as a group, most everybody who was not into that scene balked at the idea.

That is, of course, purely anecdotal, and if there was much of anything other than a couple loose connections and some shaky aspects of her interrogation story, I'd be less inclined to discount the idea.  But there really isn't, and as documented there's another person who really Does seem to have killed the girl, under much more common (but admittedly mundane and less-lurid) motives of robbery and rape.
2014-01-30 07:45:15 PM  
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jso2897: MagicianNamedGob: PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.

You're wrong about that. Italy refuses to extradite murderers to the U.S. on  human rights grounds because we have the death penalty. The U.S. will almost certainly refuse to extradite Knox. The consensus opinion is that the U.S. will cite double jeopardy as a "polite" way to say no. But if it wants to make a statement it will refuse on the grounds that the evidence against her was insufficient. E.U. countries and the U.s. refuse extraditions to each other some what regularly.

This is why they did this - they were able to save face, in the knowledge that they won't be extraditing her, and they don't have to deal with the backfire from that. It was an empty gesture to make a corrupt, perverted old prosecutor feel better about himself - and it costs only the expense of the trial.


They are also putting an innocent Italian man in prison.
2014-01-30 07:34:53 PM  
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CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


I'm British and I think the British media have done everything but brand her as a witch because the victim was British. The US media seemed to want the trial to go on forever ending with her conviction. Then they could play the victim card. Truth told, nobody is sure whether she did it unless they had a horse in the race, in which case she's either an angel or a demon in human form.
2014-01-30 07:32:20 PM  
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flondrix: Bungles: Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.

In the US legal system, once there is an acquittal, the prosecution cannot "appeal"--at least for that crime.  The courts can try for a second round with charges like "violating the victim's civil rights" or "interfering with a crime scene" or some such.


But she wasn't tried in the US, she was tried in a country with a tri-part judicial system with in-built rounds of appeal. That isn't double jeopardy, nor would it be a surprise to the people who drafted the treaty. It's the natural course.

To make it equivalent, it would be like someone in Italy being outraged that someone in the US wasn't sentenced at verdict - and therefore should be set free - but rather at a later sentencing hearing, as if they're two separate trials. They aren't, they're part of the same multi-step process. It's exactly the same thing here: it's a multi-part judicial process.
2014-01-30 07:31:57 PM  
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walktoanarcade: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

I think she's guilty. I listened to it at the start and I simply cannot believe her story, she had to be in on it, actively too.

She's attractive, so that makes her innocent to some. Look at how Casey Anthony got away with it.


You know, it's interesting you say that, because I've seen a couple of these threads, and that seems to be the standard reason that people believe that she is guilty.  Because they simply cannot believe her, and she just Has to be in on it, actively.  And that the only reason anyone thinks she's innocent is because she's pretty.

But I admit that I have my own biases.   One of which is that anytime somebody comes out and says that an American college student, male or female, murdered somebody in a satanic sex ritual gone wrong, I'm going to have something of an immediate rejection of that.  Particularly when that appears to be the major foundation of the case.
2014-01-30 07:27:02 PM  
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MagicianNamedGob: PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.

You're wrong about that. Italy refuses to extradite murderers to the U.S. on  human rights grounds because we have the death penalty. The U.S. will almost certainly refuse to extradite Knox. The consensus opinion is that the U.S. will cite double jeopardy as a "polite" way to say no. But if it wants to make a statement it will refuse on the grounds that the evidence against her was insufficient. E.U. countries and the U.s. refuse extraditions to each other some what regularly.


This is why they did this - they were able to save face, in the knowledge that they won't be extraditing her, and they don't have to deal with the backfire from that. It was an empty gesture to make a corrupt, perverted old prosecutor feel better about himself - and it costs only the expense of the trial.
2014-01-30 07:22:59 PM  
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ElPresidente: I just love how everyone is happy to believe the Italian prosecutors are lying scumbags, but the defence team and defendants must be angels telling the complete truth and incapable of lying themselves.

There's a simple solution. Send her to Guantanamo Bay. Still on US territory and facing Italian-style American justice for the next ten years. She must be a threat and need locking up, right?


Oooooo. Too far playing the Gitmo card.

I live with my mom
2014-01-30 07:12:34 PM  
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doglover: It's kind of funny for Anericans to call someone's judicial system corrupt.


It's funny you think the Italian justice system is better than the United States, buddy.

Hint: Every single piece of evidence in this case would have been thrown out in the US Justice System as tainted and/or illegally obtained.
2014-01-30 06:59:25 PM  
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doglover: It's kind of funny for Anericans to call someone's judicial system corrupt.


our courts have done bad things, and yes we've convicted innocent people wrongly, and not convicted people , like Casey Anthony and ok Simpson that we probably should have...

But yes, the Italian court system is a terrible joke, and far worse...
I know this goes against the everything European is better worldview some espouse, but it's still true, make peace with it...
2014-01-30 06:58:16 PM  
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doubled99: Keep defending the murderer, Farkers! You all have your law GEDs after all.



American or Italian GED?
2014-01-30 06:42:49 PM  
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Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


Nah, here's the relevant part from our extradition treaty with Italy:

ARTICLE VI
Non Bis in Idem
(Not Twice in Same, for a translation)
Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested.

So, since they released her, they can't request us to send her to them.  Pretty sure that's a standard clause in all our extradition treaties.  Since double jeopardy is expressly forbidden by the Constitution, having a treaty that allows other governments to subject the citizenry to double jeopardy would probably get thrown out pretty quickly.
2014-01-30 06:42:15 PM  
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Pleading ignorance here.  What is the difference between having her sentence vacated and acquitted.  Since it was thrown out by the higher Italian court, would it still be double jeopardy or is it just a retrial and not double jeopardy?
rka
2014-01-30 06:37:46 PM  
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PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.


Not being a US citizen maybe you don't quite get the mindset here.

The US gives fark-all about honoring extradition treaties with Italy.

There is ZERO chance a US court grants an extradition for a US citizen to face a corrupt Italian kangaroo court (which is basically the entire Italian legal system) for a crime the Italians set her free on once already.

Warlordtrooper: The us sends drones to execute its own citizens without trial It doesn't give a damn about whatever ideals we claim to believe in


It cares even less what other countries believe in. Is there a way to negative care? Can we actually care so little we go below zero? Yes? Then that's what the US feels about Italy in this case.

The US sends drones to kill its own citizen? Well, lets just say I wouldn't want to be an Italian living in the flight path of the US base at Aviano. Whoops! Guess I dropped one there. Soooorrry.
2014-01-30 06:17:54 PM  
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I think it's pretty remarkable how calm and collected the Kerchers have been through all this.

(I remember this thread when the appeal went through, with angry folks outraged when people called her a killer, saying "The court has cleared her! How dare you!".

Are those same people all going to call her a killer now, or have the rules changed?)
2014-01-30 06:12:16 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: Didn't the "evidence" in this case come down to "someone said she once heard Knox say something bad about the victim" and also she didn't "act right" after the homicide; so clearly she's a depraved killer?


That, and Satan.

SRSLY.

This was the initial prosecutor on the case, farking nut job. I can't imagine most US courts letting his "Satanic ritual" case proceed.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliano_Mignini

*Offer not valid in Arkansas.
2014-01-30 06:11:23 PM  
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R.A.Danny: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.


Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.
2014-01-30 06:10:33 PM  
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CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


And you obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about.
2014-01-30 06:08:38 PM  
1 vote:
Guilty!
Not guilty!
Guilty!

/Sorry, Italy. You roose. Fark yourselves, you incompetent freaks.
2014-01-30 06:06:24 PM  
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R.A.Danny: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

It seems there is some leeway on that one. Italy will not allow someone to be sent here if they face the death penalty for example, and the US may take umbrage at the double jeopardy in this case.


THIS.  Also, there's plenty to cast doubt on Italy's entire judicial system.  This is the country that jailed geologists for failing to predict an earthquake, after all.
2014-01-30 06:06:11 PM  
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hardinparamedic: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Name a product besides ice, natural gas, and assholes

The Canadians gave us Celene Dion and Justin Bieber.



Covered under "assholes"
2014-01-30 06:04:21 PM  
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Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.


50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.
2014-01-30 06:03:37 PM  
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patrick767: If the case is as weak as has been portrayed, why the fark does a jury convict her? Again. Just wondering...


Ask the McMartins.
2014-01-30 06:01:04 PM  
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A nice summation of the the cases for/against conviction.  By US standards, there is reasonable doubt.  Not every country operates on the principles of assumed innocence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8803077/Amand a- Knox-Guilty-or-innocent-five-reasons-why.html
2014-01-30 05:57:01 PM  
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Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


EXTRADITION TREATIES DON'T WORK LIKE THAT
2014-01-30 05:56:48 PM  
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Seems like most of Europe is desperate not to let a little thing like "the truth" get in the way of a great story.
2014-01-30 05:51:23 PM  
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2014-01-30 05:48:50 PM  
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Baz744: Any law talking types know enough about extradition law to give an assessment of whether or not she'll be extradited?


The American Bar Association's Journal has an article about it here.

Long and short of it: We'll find out.
2014-01-30 05:47:56 PM  
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Besides, if we didn't extradite the guy who blew up a Cuban airliner, we're not going to extradite Knox.
2014-01-30 05:46:51 PM  
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She's guilty?

1.bp.blogspot.com

Sounds legit.
2014-01-30 05:45:14 PM  
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CleanAndPure: DERP




Your lack of any kind of corroborating links is not surprising.
2014-01-30 05:44:09 PM  
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Our diplomatic treaty specifically excludes extradition in instances of double jeopardy.
2014-01-30 05:43:08 PM  
1 vote:
This thread was good for finding three (probable) ALTs and color-coding them as such.
2014-01-30 05:34:38 PM  
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Starshines: What unfounded assumptions are Americans making about her? That she shouldn't be convicted with "evidence" that's patently absurd?


Pay attention.  I'm just pointing out how hollow the troll's comments are.
2014-01-30 05:34:37 PM  
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So in Italy a trial can be a "2 out of 3 falls" match?
2014-01-30 05:33:45 PM  
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keepitcherry: Cyclometh: The Italian justice system seems, from an outside observer's viewpoint, to be not only completely incompetent and capricious, but deeply corrupt.

So what you're saying is it's just like ours?


No, it's worse.  The official position in Italy is that sometimes they convict the innocent and sometimes the guilty go free, so that makes it all OK.

While that can happen, Italy accepts the mistakes as "balance," and feels that makes it alright.

Mignini is a fool and a clown who is still searching for some sexual base for every case.
2014-01-30 05:30:56 PM  
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2014-01-30 05:29:27 PM  
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Evil Mackerel: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

I think there might be a place she could hold up at in Russia.


Actually Russia is probably about the best country that doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and most of the EU countries like Italy, most of the other options are like Iran, countries without a central govt in Sub Saharan Africa like Somalia, Best Korea, Cuba, etc.
2014-01-30 05:28:59 PM  
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Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.
2014-01-30 05:23:33 PM  
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Skeptos: There's an argument floating around that the throwing out of the verdict wasn't technically an acquittal under Italian law, so the retrial didn't violate double jeopardy and hence extradition would still be legal under US law.


Amittedly they define things very differently, but they did pull her out of prison and let her come back to the US which is pretty telling.
2014-01-30 05:17:52 PM  
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What and Amanda Knox might look like. Nice one NBC.......

media2.s-nbcnews.com
2014-01-30 05:17:36 PM  
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Wow this thread went full retard from post 2. I had no idea the italian DA even knew fark existed.
2014-01-30 05:17:33 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: Didn't the "evidence" in this case come down to "someone said she once heard Knox say something bad about the victim" and also she didn't "act right" after the homicide; so clearly she's a depraved killer?


She was tried by the Italian (and English) tabloids.
2014-01-30 05:17:15 PM  
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ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.


googledrive.com
2014-01-30 05:16:00 PM  
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in a capital crime Italy will need to present the evidence and prove that Knox is guilty.  Amanda's lawyers will be able to keep this in the appeals court for decades.

The state of Texas would have already executed her, but the Federal Government will have to look at this and the relevant laws.  The only way she is going back to Italy is if she waves her rights to appeal.
2014-01-30 05:13:00 PM  
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CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.
2014-01-30 05:12:32 PM  
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R.A.Danny: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.


I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.
2014-01-30 05:08:45 PM  
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I'd stab her forty times if you know what I mean.

/and I think you do
2014-01-30 05:08:03 PM  
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This one doesn't even link to the Amanda Knox case.
2014-01-30 05:07:11 PM  
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I'm sure she'll be booking that flight to Rome right now.
 
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