Bungles: jso2897: Bungles: flondrix: Bungles: Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.In the US legal system, once there is an acquittal, the prosecution cannot "appeal"--at least for that crime. The courts can try for a second round with charges like "violating the victim's civil rights" or "interfering with a crime scene" or some such.But she wasn't tried in the US, she was tried in a country with a tri-part judicial system with in-built rounds of appeal. That isn't double jeopardy, nor would it be a surprise to the people who drafted the treaty. It's the natural course.To make it equivalent, it would be like someone in Italy being outraged that someone in the US wasn't sentenced at verdict - and therefore should be set free - but rather at a later sentencing hearing, as if they're two separate trials. They aren't, they're part of the same multi-step process. It's exactly the same thing here: it's a multi-part judicial process.Doesn't matter what the Italians think. We do not have a fully observed extradition treaty with them. they routinely refuse to extradite Americans who might face the death penalty - and America would be entirely within it's rights to withold extradition.The Italians don't care that the DP is legal; under our system - and we don't care if double jeopardy is allowed under theirs.This isn't double jeopardy, and the US has regularly extradited to Italy (with the sole time it wasn't observed because of it involved CIA agents). The only clause in the treaty even relating to anything like what you'd call "double jeopardy" is about crimes that have already been through the court system in the US/Italy and essentially would be retried in the country of extradition. Which isn't the case here.You're not speaking from a position of knowledge here, you're making things up. It doesn't help Knox's case for her supporters just to make stuff up.
Bungles: jso2897: Bungles: jso2897: Bungles: flondrix: Bungles: Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.So are you going on record as predicting she will be extradited?Good lord no, I think it very, very unlikely she'll be extradited, but that's for political reasons at the discretion of John Kerry, not because of issues of alleged "double jeopardy".MagicianNamedGob:I think you are speaking without knowledge. Here is the opinion of someone with knowledge:It is unlikely that Knox, who lives in Seattle, Washington, will return to Italy to serve additional prison time because U.S. law dictates that a person cannot be tried twice on the same charge, a legal expert told CNN. He believes that if Italy were to ask for extradition, U.S. officials would deny the request. "She was once put in jeopardy and later acquitted," said Sean Casey, a former prosecutor who is now a partner at Kobre & Kim in New York. "Under the treaty, extradition should not be granted."http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-retrial /That's not a common view. Is Mr Casey an expert in extradition law?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10607883/ Wh at-next-for-Amanda-Knox.htmlSome lawyers and supporters of Ms Knox have argued that having been acquitted in 2011, she would be protected under the US Constitution from "double jeopardy" - being tried twice for the same charge.Yet the US-Italy extradition treaty only protects Americans from extradition to face prosecution again in Italy for an offence that has already been dealt with by the US legal system. "This is not applicable in this situation," said Professor Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University.For extradition candidates like Ms Knox who have already been convicted, the treaty states that Italy must merely produce "a brief statement of the facts of the case," as well as the text of the ...
zimbomba63: Bungles: You're not speaking from a position of knowledge here, you're making things up. It doesn't help Knox's case for her supporters just to make stuff up.Why would that matter in a court of law?
SlothB77: She's smoking hot, so she's staying put right here in the USA.
MayoSlather: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.I realize there is a difference of opinion from overseas, but I don't get it. This isn't an OJ style case where there is definitive motive. I'd say there is legit reasonable doubt from the details I've heard, and she'd have to be quite the psychopath to have done what they claim. I simply find that unlikely.
jonas opines: Can you fill that void?
Giant Clown Shoe: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.Mmmk. How about this detailed breakdown...http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.htmlHow's that work for you?
Marmilman: Thank you for posting that link. My heart wants to cry for Amanda Knox now.
R.A.Danny: Does she still have a passport?The United States maintains diplomatic relations but, according to the above-mentioned list, does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (except Hong Kong), Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia,Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Vietnam, Yemen, and the countries formerly part of Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia.
spiderpaz: hardinparamedic: TheBigJerk: Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.50s. Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.If you want to lose what little faith you can have in the US Justice system, watch West of Memphis, about the prosecution and incarceration of the West Memphis 3.There are still people locally who argue they are guilty because they worshipped satan, and other nonsense that was quite literally beaten out of a borderline mentally retarded, scared teenager in a 20 hour interrogation.Their case was literally "They play DooM, listen to devil music, and have long hair." And one of them got the death penalty for it.Oh when we compare countries we can use examples from 50+ years ago for one and present day for the other and pretend that's legit? When can we get to Germany?
Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: And before you GRAMMAR NAZIs chime in. Looks like I farked up the there/their/they're shiat~~America is there their sore soar spot. They can't beat the king baby
The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Good luck ever getting Snowden if the US does not extradite Knox.
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: All the more reason for Americans to stay the fark out of Italy.
Warlordtrooper: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What_do_you_want_now: /Evidence was she had a fingerprint on a knife she owned in her apartment//AFAIK wasn't even the murder weapon.It was confirmed to not be the murder weapon. The murder weapon has never been found or presented in the case, as I understand it.Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.No, staying the US is her best option, but she can probably never leave. The US is not likely to extradite her simply because she was previously acquitted and to do so would violate our own principles of not allowing double jeopardy. Then you combine that with the extremely weak and mishandled evidence in the case and she's going to be ok staying here.The us sends drones to execute its own citizens without trial It doesn't give a damn about whatever ideals we claim to believe in
flondrix: The Fett: Not every country operates on the principles of assumed innocence.
zepillin: There is no search for or finding of innocent in our legal system.
TwistedFark: It's really depressing to me that so many people are just mentally deranged (the conspiracy theorists!) or utterly incapable of critical thinking.The cops clearly captured the murderer within days and he's currently serving time for the murder. None of the rest of the case makes any modicum of sense. There is no established motive, there's no confession, there's no murder weapon, there's no DNA evidence. There is literally nothing, in fact the man that was charged and sentence to murder didn't even implicate Amanda until after the police turned her into a suspect and went to interrogate him again!To me, the above is the most telling incongruity. If they had Guede in custody and he was going to charged with murder, then wouldn't it be in his best interest to implicate the others in the murder? He could have even concocted a story like, "I was having sex with Meridith and then those two devil worshipping evil doers came in and attacked us - I fled for my life!" I mean, he'd have to be pretty creative/and or stupid, to think that something like that would fly with the police - but hey, evidently that was almost EXACTLY the scenario that the prosecution first proposed.To me, the above is just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Not even very much, it just examines what we might consider people acting in their own rational self interest. It doesn't make sense for Guede to avoid the opportunity to shift blame from himself to others, assuming that he knew they were also present at the murder. It would logically be his first, best move to either shift suspicion or get a lighter sentence. The fact that it was actually the police who instigated this instead of him is absolutely bizarre.The only conclusion you can logically make from the above is that there was no one that Guede was aware of that he could shift blame to, because he was alone when he committed the crime. The police literally handed him a reduced sentence on a platter for no other reason than the prosecutor ...
zepillin: zepillin: There is no search for or finding of innocent in our legal system.Jury nullification being the rare exception."He's not guilty cause he's innocent, your law sucks and we are changing it."I've always kinda liked that idea.
ElPresidente: Using a child's cartoon as a basis for an argument to try to prove you're intellectually superior is no way to go through life, son.
Snarfangel: doubled99: Keep defending the murderer, Farkers! You all have your law GEDs after all.American or Italian GED?
walktoanarcade: jonas opines: Can you fill that void?Seriously, though, does it matter? Is Italy going to kidnap her?
Cletus C.: Acquit her, convict her, let her stay here, extradite her. I don't much care. Whatever keeps her whiny face out of the spotlight forever is what I support.[www.etonline.com image 640x380]
Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.
JSTACAT: jonas opines:...possible that Knox killed that girl. Can you fill that void?No one can fill her void until she speaks the whole Truth to the world.In the US, being present or in [another room] during the murder and not stopping it or immediately calling the Law, covering up evidence, absconding from the scene, etc is enough to convict for that murder.she & Ralph left their victim rotting in a pool of blood and degradation for others to find, blamed one person after another, etc.If she had confessed and told the whole story truthfully, she might have got 5-10 yrs.In the US & most other civilised nations, the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.
ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente:Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.You've got nothing.On the contrary - I have two things you don't. An independent unbiased mind and the good sense not to argue with someone who doesn't - you.
JSTACAT: What most Americans fail to realise is that sexual excess and unclean-ness are quite repulsive to Europeans & other cultures.[ongoing 3ways-4ways with casual pickups at a tavern, drugs, weapons, etc]She was supposedly a -student- not a ho.I blame her Mother 100% for sending her there and failing to raise her with some kind of moral structure. [like mother, like daughter]Falsely framing a casual sex partner[bar owner] for the murder did not win her any sympathy either.If this had happened in the US she would have been convicted, albeit less colorfully.She will be extradited in about 18 mo.[after final appeal] Read the US law.Most folks know what she & the 4 some were up to & how it got out of hand.That was no problem for Italian Polizza to figure out.They got a little outraged & bumbled a bit, but no one was fooled by her stories.if this sounds harsh, it is what 90% of those who heard the news think....
MagicianNamedGob: JSTACAT: j the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.Except that there's no good evidence that either Knox or Sollecito were present during the murder or had anything to do with it.
JSTACAT: MagicianNamedGob: JSTACAT: j the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.Except that there's no good evidence that either Knox or Sollecito were present during the murder or had anything to do with it.They both confessed they were at least in earshot.Amanda bears the burden to "tell all" especially now, she has nothing to lose by truth, and a clear conscience to gain.If she wants to rescue [if you could call it that] her time on the world stage, now is the time to come clean and demonstrate the power of conscience and ethics, even the Power of G-D.That is what i sincerely hope for her.When/if she tells ALL the truth, it will ring clear and loud as genuine.
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