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2014-01-30 10:13:43 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: this thread is terrible and i farking hate all of you


Look, I just want to see her grainy amateur fetish prison sex tapes uploaded to xhamster. After that you can convict her of dognapping for all I care. Is that really so wrong?
 
2014-01-30 10:14:13 PM  
All the more reason for Americans to stay the fark out of Italy.
 
2014-01-30 10:20:57 PM  

Bungles: jso2897: Bungles: flondrix: Bungles: Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.

In the US legal system, once there is an acquittal, the prosecution cannot "appeal"--at least for that crime.  The courts can try for a second round with charges like "violating the victim's civil rights" or "interfering with a crime scene" or some such.

But she wasn't tried in the US, she was tried in a country with a tri-part judicial system with in-built rounds of appeal. That isn't double jeopardy, nor would it be a surprise to the people who drafted the treaty. It's the natural course.

To make it equivalent, it would be like someone in Italy being outraged that someone in the US wasn't sentenced at verdict - and therefore should be set free - but rather at a later sentencing hearing, as if they're two separate trials. They aren't, they're part of the same multi-step process. It's exactly the same thing here: it's a multi-part judicial process.


Doesn't matter what the Italians think. We do not have a fully observed extradition treaty with them. they routinely refuse to extradite Americans who might face the death penalty - and America would be entirely within it's rights to withold extradition.
The Italians don't care that the DP is legal; under our system - and we don't care if double jeopardy is allowed under theirs.

This isn't double jeopardy, and the US has regularly extradited to Italy (with the sole time it wasn't observed because of it involved CIA agents). The only clause in the treaty even relating to anything like what you'd call "double jeopardy" is about crimes that have already been through the court system in the US/Italy and essentially would be retried in the country of extradition. Which isn't the case here.

You're not speaking from a position of knowledge here, you're making things up. It doesn't help Knox's case for her supporters just to make stuff up.


Why would that matter in a court of law?
 
2014-01-30 10:29:05 PM  

Bungles: jso2897: Bungles: jso2897: Bungles: flondrix: Bungles: Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.


So are you going on record as predicting she will be extradited?

Good lord no, I think it very, very unlikely she'll be extradited, but that's for political reasons at the discretion of John Kerry, not because of issues of alleged "double jeopardy".

MagicianNamedGob:

I think you are speaking without knowledge. Here is the opinion of someone with knowledge:

It is unlikely that Knox, who lives in Seattle, Washington, will return to Italy to serve additional prison time because U.S. law dictates that a person cannot be tried twice on the same charge, a legal expert told CNN. He believes that if Italy were to ask for extradition, U.S. officials would deny the request. "She was once put in jeopardy and later acquitted," said Sean Casey, a former prosecutor who is now a partner at Kobre & Kim in New York. "Under the treaty, extradition should not be granted."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-retrial /


That's not a common view. Is Mr Casey an expert in extradition law?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10607883/ Wh at-next-for-Amanda-Knox.html

Some lawyers and supporters of Ms Knox have argued that having been acquitted in 2011, she would be protected under the US Constitution from "double jeopardy" - being tried twice for the same charge.
Yet the US-Italy extradition treaty only protects Americans from extradition to face prosecution again in Italy for an offence that has already been dealt with by the US legal system. "This is not applicable in this situation," said Professor Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University.
For extradition candidates like Ms Knox who have already been convicted, the treaty states that Italy must merely produce "a brief statement of the facts of the case," as well as the text of the ...


Lurch goes from being a butler to Boss Extraditor.  Only in America, man, only in America!
 
2014-01-30 10:33:58 PM  
no nok nok jokes
 
2014-01-30 10:35:15 PM  
Since she's local to my region, I can't really give an opinion without bias.  I have my doubts about almost everything to do with the case, from motive and evidence, to the prosecutor's public standing.  The local media also have a huge spin on her being not guilty.
 
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2014-01-30 10:42:53 PM  

zimbomba63: Bungles: You're not speaking from a position of knowledge here, you're making things up. It doesn't help Knox's case for her supporters just to make stuff up.

Why would that matter in a court of law?


Well, strictly speaking it's true. It doesn't help.

It doesn't hurt either. It's utterly irrelevant.
 
2014-01-30 10:53:57 PM  

SlothB77: She's smoking hot, so she's staying put right here in the USA.


That would be British smoking hot, right?
 
2014-01-30 10:57:55 PM  
walktoanarcade:Why would I want her to be guilty?   There's lots of questionable stuff that I can and cannot prove, but none of it makes me want for any of the good to be bad. Just like people may fascinate, offend, amaze, or even scare me, none of them (owed of a pretty face, no less) make me want to banish my logic and go for the sleazy, easy balm of brainless witch-hunting.

But you really seem to be banishing your logic to go for the sleazy, easy balm of brainless witch-hunting.  Perhaps it's not you, though.  Perhaps, given that you paid attention to the media at the inception of this case, you've simply been exposed for too long to the sleazy and brainless witch-hunting brought to you by people who really, really REALLY want this bitatch to be guilty.  Consider the various narratives in the Trayvon Martin case, and how they were formed by the media's presentation of the case, and how many people came up with unshakeable convictions regarding the case based off of incomplete, and in some cases quite skewed presentations.

I barely knew about this case until a Fark link last year regarding the over-turning of the previous guilty verdict.  I don't know if that's really an advantage, but I can say this, by the time I started to read about it it seems that both sides, for and against her guilt, are pretty well on the table, and after reading them, the actual facts of the case, I cannot see how Anybody, looking at this with an objective mind, can find the prosecution's original story credible.  The amount of work she'd have to do to not leave any trace of her involvement in the argument or sex game leading up to the death, the total lack of physical evidence tying her to the crime -- she would have to be a genius, and a complete sociopath, to pull that off, and nothing else other than this case corroborates the idea that she is..  But she also has to be so bad at it that she screams "bitatch be guilty" from a mile away.  The alternative, as I see it, is that the prosecution's story is false, she didn't do it, the girl was murdered by one guy, and then this was driven largely by tabloids and one crazy-arse prosecutor to get the idea that she had anything to do with it.

There is a murder investigation going right now in my home town.  A very pretty female is accused of killing a middle-aged man.  She was found in Florida with weapons and drugs in her car, and one has been identified as probably the murder weapon.  I'm willing to believe she killed that guy, despite her being pretty.  Knox's case doesn't have anything to do with what she looks like.  It just looks absurd.  That's it.

Somebody posted this link above, with a good breakdown of what I see is the flaws:  http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html

Look it over, and see if you can reconcile it with your hunch that she just seems guilty.  Or, if you know something the rest of us don't debunk the things mentioned in the link and offer a reasonable explanation.  There are reasonable explanations against all the reasons that people think Knox has been acting guilty.  They've been offered up several times in this thread.  What's missing are the reasonable explanation against all the physical evidence, based in our observable, physical reality, that it's virtually impossible that Knox killed that girl.  Can you fill that void?
 
2014-01-30 11:10:48 PM  
Well, bye.
 
2014-01-30 11:17:06 PM  
Good luck ever getting Snowden if the US does not extradite Knox.
 
2014-01-30 11:21:15 PM  
My favorite. People who blithely diarrhea ignorance and garbage for the soul purpose of "fishing" for outraged responses so you can be hi fived, and patted on the back for skills in trolling, and if you dare dream of challenging any aspect of their complete garbage you are dismissed as "having fallen for troll bait"

License to just be an ugly asshole on the internet. You are so farking cool, you're nine popped collars cool.
 
2014-01-30 11:25:15 PM  
It's really depressing to me that so many people are just mentally deranged (the conspiracy theorists!) or utterly incapable of critical thinking.

The cops clearly captured the murderer within days and he's currently serving time for the murder. None of the rest of the case makes any modicum of sense. There is no established motive, there's no confession, there's no murder weapon, there's no DNA evidence. There is literally nothing, in fact the man that was charged and sentence to murder didn't even implicate Amanda until after the police turned her into a suspect and went to interrogate him again!

To me, the above is the most telling incongruity. If they had Guede in custody and he was going to charged with murder, then wouldn't it be in his best interest to implicate the others in the murder? He could have even concocted a story like, "I was having sex with Meridith and then those two devil worshipping evil doers came in and attacked us - I fled for my life!" I mean, he'd have to be pretty creative/and or stupid, to think that something like that would fly with the police - but hey, evidently that was almost EXACTLY the scenario that the prosecution first proposed.

To me, the above is just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Not even very much, it just examines what we might consider people acting in their own rational self interest. It doesn't make sense for Guede to avoid the opportunity to shift blame from himself to others, assuming that he knew they were also present at the murder. It would logically be his first, best move to either shift suspicion or get a lighter sentence. The fact that it was actually the police who instigated this instead of him is absolutely bizarre.

The only conclusion you can logically make from the above is that there was no one that Guede was aware of that he could shift blame to, because he was alone when he committed the crime. The police literally handed him a reduced sentence on a platter for no other reason than the prosecutor seemed to be insane?
 
2014-01-30 11:30:08 PM  

MayoSlather: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

I realize there is a difference of opinion from overseas, but I don't get it. This isn't an OJ style case where there is definitive motive. I'd say there is legit reasonable doubt from the details I've heard, and she'd have to be quite the psychopath to have done what they claim. I simply find that unlikely.



I'm wondering how common this sort of 'justice' is for foreigners charged with any sort of major crime in Italy. I doubt if it's at all common - my assumption is that this is simply revenge for that cable car incident a decade or two ago.

Having said that, the court case was clearly a sham.
 
2014-01-30 11:41:02 PM  

jonas opines: Can you fill that void?


I can and I will with jelly beans.

Seriously, though, does it matter? Is Italy going to kidnap her?  If not, she should change her name and dye her hair and be done with it.

While on some level I'd love to pretend a familiarity with the case, I cannot, but I am going on my first impression of the case when it was new years ago based on information I read and heard at the time. At the time it seemed feasible that she committed the murder.

And there is one thing I can offer, but I don't pretend that I have anything concrete, it's something in her eyes.   I know something of how people react to the unexpected and something about her is off.

Maybe I'm wrong, but (get ready for a cliche) I come from a long line of people good at detecting bullshiat.  I could be perfectly wrong of course, and I admit that I haven't read a ton on the case, nothing new especially.
 
2014-01-30 11:44:42 PM  
I get the feeling that the Italian legal system is just going to rule in favor of whichever country most recently did a diplomatic full court press
 
2014-01-31 12:01:02 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Mmmk.  How about this detailed breakdown...

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html

How's that work for you?


Thank you posting that link. My heart wants to cry for Amanda Knox now.
 
2014-01-31 12:02:01 AM  

Marmilman: Thank you for posting that link. My heart wants to cry for Amanda Knox now.


FTFM
 
2014-01-31 12:03:41 AM  

R.A.Danny: Does she still have a passport?

The United States maintains diplomatic relations but, according to the above-mentioned list, does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (except Hong Kong), Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia,[7]Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Vietnam, Yemen, and the countries formerly part of Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia.



But the question is....... do any of Those countries have an extradition treaty with Italy???
 
2014-01-31 12:07:56 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Mmmk.  How about this detailed breakdown...

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html

How's that work for you?


Works very well. Thanks.
 
2014-01-31 12:13:09 AM  

spiderpaz: hardinparamedic: TheBigJerk: Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.

50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.

If you want to lose what little faith you can have in the US Justice system, watch West of Memphis, about the prosecution and incarceration of the West Memphis 3.

There are still people locally who argue they are guilty because they worshipped satan, and other nonsense that was quite literally beaten out of a borderline mentally retarded, scared teenager in a 20 hour interrogation.

Their case was literally "They play DooM, listen to devil music, and have long hair." And one of them got the death penalty for it.

Oh when we compare countries we can use examples from 50+ years ago for one and present day for the other and pretend that's legit?  When can we get to Germany?


20+ years ago.   The West Memphis 3 were convicted in '94 (I had to look that up).  You are confusing who was talking about what, I was speaking of when "Satanic cult" was a popular meme across America.   Hardinparamedickindly pointed out that when you actually stop and think about it, that period never really stopped.  Just trying to write this paragraph I realized, "nope, every way I try to describe the period of evangelical hysteria I am thinking of fails because the description is not clearly different from current evangelical hysteria."

Now this case is also Red State Retard-land we're talking about.  It is one case which was a small-town railroading of locals.  NOT an international case involving the highest court in the land.  Yet it still happened in America and according to the wikisthe farking best the (pretty clearly innocent) defendants could get after 20 years of fighting (it ended in 2011, less than three years ago) was a plea-bargain where the state said, "kiss my boots and say this was all your fault and I'll let you go," and they said, "yes master *kiss* *kiss*."

Hmm, speaking of unnecessarily creepy fanfiction...sorry about that.

Now this was largely tangential, the differences between these two gross miscarriages of justice are obvious, but it is a reminder, we got problems right here at home too.

And both of them stem from shiatbag fundies being anywhere near things better handled by adults.
 
2014-01-31 12:14:07 AM  
jonas opines:

...possible that Knox killed that girl.  Can you fill that void?

No one can fill her void until she speaks the whole Truth to the world.

In the US, being present or in [another room] during the murder and not stopping it or immediately calling the Law, covering up evidence, absconding from the scene, etc is enough to convict for that murder.

she & Ralph left their victim rotting in a pool of blood and degradation for others to find, blamed one person after another, etc.
If she had confessed and told the whole story truthfully, she might have got 5-10 yrs.
In the US & most other civilised nations, the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.
 
2014-01-31 12:39:40 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: And before you GRAMMAR NAZIs chime in.  Looks like I farked up the there/their/they're shiat

~~America is there their  sore soar spot.   They can't beat the king baby



Because we're on top.
 
2014-01-31 12:41:55 AM  
~~Knox ~~Knox ,
who is it,
-- Its 28 years of hardtime

~~Knox ~~Knox
who is it.

/ flaps, don't even know how to make a ~~Knox  joke, never mind
 
2014-01-31 12:45:29 AM  
Italy, if you knew how to stick to your guns you wouldn't look like such pussies.
 
2014-01-31 01:12:56 AM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Good luck ever getting Snowden if the US does not extradite Knox.


Those are... well... freakin' nothing alike, man. One's whistleblowing and international espionage. The other is someone ending up dead after what seems to be incredibly bizarre circumstances.

As for the Brits in this thread crying how Americans are defending a murderer, there are far more terrible things you should be decrying in this situation. Your Southern European buddies shiatfarked this situation so much that no one... Kercher, Knox, the public of three different nations... will get an ounce of true justice in any of this. If the conviction holds up under appeal, it will be because the Italians got around to making a theory stick to the wall. If it's struck down or if the US tells Italy to shove their extradition order up their asses, then a murderer might have gotten away with the crime. Of course, we'll never know, which is why Knox isn't the biggest villain in all of this. 

Sometimes it's hard to remember that Italy is actually a Western post-industrial nation.
 
2014-01-31 01:21:43 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: All the more reason for Americans to stay the fark out of Italy.


This.  I do my best to avoid third world shiat-hole countries like Italy.
 
2014-01-31 02:05:20 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What_do_you_want_now: /Evidence was she had a fingerprint on a knife she owned in her apartment
//AFAIK wasn't even the murder weapon.

It was confirmed to not be the murder weapon. The murder weapon has never been found or presented in the case, as I understand it.

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

No, staying the US is her best option, but she can probably never leave. The US is not likely to extradite her simply because she was previously acquitted and to do so would violate our own principles of not allowing double jeopardy. Then you combine that with the extremely weak and mishandled evidence in the case and she's going to be ok staying here.

The us sends drones to execute its own citizens without trial It doesn't give a damn about whatever ideals we claim to believe in


2/10 ... weaksauce
 
2014-01-31 02:28:24 AM  
I find her quite foxy.
 
2014-01-31 02:34:22 AM  

flondrix: The Fett: Not every country operates on the principles of assumed innocence.


Neither does America.

At trial the presumption is not guilty and the assumption is guilty, no assumption no trial.

Outside the phrase "presumption of innocence" innocence and innocent are not legal terms
and have no legal meaning.

There is no search for or finding of innocent in our legal system.
 
2014-01-31 02:35:30 AM  
I can just see Italy's shiat judicial system if it went her way...


i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-31 02:48:17 AM  

zepillin: There is no search for or finding of innocent in our legal system.


Jury nullification being the rare exception.

"He's not guilty cause he's innocent, your law sucks and we are changing it."

I've always kinda liked that idea.
 
2014-01-31 04:39:39 AM  

TwistedFark: It's really depressing to me that so many people are just mentally deranged (the conspiracy theorists!) or utterly incapable of critical thinking.

The cops clearly captured the murderer within days and he's currently serving time for the murder. None of the rest of the case makes any modicum of sense. There is no established motive, there's no confession, there's no murder weapon, there's no DNA evidence. There is literally nothing, in fact the man that was charged and sentence to murder didn't even implicate Amanda until after the police turned her into a suspect and went to interrogate him again!

To me, the above is the most telling incongruity. If they had Guede in custody and he was going to charged with murder, then wouldn't it be in his best interest to implicate the others in the murder? He could have even concocted a story like, "I was having sex with Meridith and then those two devil worshipping evil doers came in and attacked us - I fled for my life!" I mean, he'd have to be pretty creative/and or stupid, to think that something like that would fly with the police - but hey, evidently that was almost EXACTLY the scenario that the prosecution first proposed.

To me, the above is just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Not even very much, it just examines what we might consider people acting in their own rational self interest. It doesn't make sense for Guede to avoid the opportunity to shift blame from himself to others, assuming that he knew they were also present at the murder. It would logically be his first, best move to either shift suspicion or get a lighter sentence. The fact that it was actually the police who instigated this instead of him is absolutely bizarre.

The only conclusion you can logically make from the above is that there was no one that Guede was aware of that he could shift blame to, because he was alone when he committed the crime. The police literally handed him a reduced sentence on a platter for no other reason than the prosecutor ...


 I can understand people that only ever heard whatever the local news media in some places decided to run with might believe she is the murderer, because some of them obviously created a very biased view of the events, so if you don't bother to dig into the details away from that, it is understandable you might think that, as that is what the news media wanted you to believe because it sells more copies.

However anyone that examines the basic details and timeline of the case and thinks Knox is guilty is about as sensible as a 9/11 truther, or a Moon landing hoax believer.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:01 AM  

zepillin: zepillin: There is no search for or finding of innocent in our legal system.

Jury nullification being the rare exception.

"He's not guilty cause he's innocent, your law sucks and we are changing it."

I've always kinda liked that idea.


Jury nullification doesn't mean anything of the sort, it is just a natural feature of a jury trial that generally the jury can find the defendant guilty or not guilty for any reasons they want  - like they might find the defendant not guilty because the victim was black, as happened many times in the past. Jury nullification isn't a good/bad thing, it can be abused just as easily as used for positive purposes.
 
2014-01-31 05:47:50 AM  

ElPresidente: Using a child's cartoon as a basis for an argument to try to prove you're intellectually superior is no way to go through life, son.


Here's a hint: I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended to be an argument. It's uncanny how some will act like jackasses and then will be terribly put off that so many people respond with little more than pointing and laughing. It's as if they think they're entitled to something better. From down in the hole you dug yourself into, condescension isn't really an option.
 
2014-01-31 06:13:51 AM  

Snarfangel: doubled99: Keep defending the murderer, Farkers! You all have your law GEDs after all.


American or Italian GED?



I dunno......


///......AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh.............
 
2014-01-31 06:42:52 AM  
WHERE ARE THE PICS OF THE CHICK SHE MURDERED???

SHE was the HOT one!
 
2014-01-31 07:27:13 AM  
Hey Italy we will hand her over to you as soon as France sends Polanski back
 
2014-01-31 07:47:50 AM  

walktoanarcade: jonas opines: Can you fill that void?

Seriously, though, does it matter? Is Italy going to kidnap her?


There's an Italian man likely to spend 25 years in prison for no better reason than, apparently, "there was something in (his girlfriend's) eyes" that people didn't like.  Just because it doesn't affect me directly, I can still find that horrifying.  Because if it happens once, it can probably happen again.  And again and again.
 
2014-01-31 07:57:29 AM  

Cletus C.: Acquit her, convict her, let her stay here, extradite her. I don't much care. Whatever keeps her whiny face out of the spotlight forever is what I support.

[www.etonline.com image 640x380]


It would appear that, until recently, the most popular method was by facing her towards the headboard.
 
2014-01-31 08:28:00 AM  

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


Like Roman Polanski had to flee Italy to avoid extradition to the U.. S.?
 
2014-01-31 08:28:28 AM  
plus she's not even remotely hot, you basement dwelling losers. farkin delusional.
 
2014-01-31 08:33:28 AM  
FWIW... there has actually been no "double jeopardy" thing.

She was tried and found guilty. She appealed, and the appeal was upheld. The Italian prosecution appealed against the appeal, and that appeal was upheld; i.e. the original appeal was quashed, thus the original trial result stood.

There has been one trial, not two.
 
2014-01-31 09:15:19 AM  
I don't care who she may have killed. I just want her to pose nude.

Is that so much to ask?
 
2014-01-31 09:30:23 AM  
 Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.


Yes, it is.  Mignini is determined to find a sex orgy based murder.
 
2014-01-31 09:40:57 AM  

JSTACAT: jonas opines:

...possible that Knox killed that girl.  Can you fill that void?

No one can fill her void until she speaks the whole Truth to the world.

In the US, being present or in [another room] during the murder and not stopping it or immediately calling the Law, covering up evidence, absconding from the scene, etc is enough to convict for that murder.

she & Ralph left their victim rotting in a pool of blood and degradation for others to find, blamed one person after another, etc.
If she had confessed and told the whole story truthfully, she might have got 5-10 yrs.
In the US & most other civilised nations, the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.


Except that there's no good evidence that either Knox or Sollecito were present during the murder or had anything to do with it.
 
2014-01-31 09:41:12 AM  

ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente:

Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.

You've got nothing.

On the contrary - I have two things you don't. An independent unbiased mind and the good sense not to argue with someone who doesn't - you.


You've already been outed....


*plonk*

No time for tards.
 
2014-01-31 09:47:00 AM  

JSTACAT: What most Americans fail to realise is that sexual excess and unclean-ness are quite repulsive to Europeans & other cultures.[ongoing 3ways-4ways with casual pickups at a tavern, drugs, weapons, etc]

She was supposedly a -student- not a ho.

I blame her Mother 100% for sending her there and failing to raise her with some kind of moral structure. [like mother, like daughter]

Falsely framing a casual sex partner[bar owner] for the murder did not win her any sympathy either.
If this had happened in the US she would have been convicted, albeit less colorfully.

She will be extradited in about 18 mo.[after final appeal] Read the US law.
Most folks know what she & the 4 some were up to & how it got out of hand.
That was no problem for Italian Polizza to figure out.
They got a little outraged & bumbled a bit, but no one was fooled by her stories.

if this sounds harsh, it is what 90% of those who heard the news think....


Not harsh, crazy. It's bullshiat. It shows many Europeans to be as sexist, xenophobic, gullible puritans as any provincial American.
 
2014-01-31 10:22:42 AM  

MagicianNamedGob: JSTACAT: j the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.

Except that there's no good evidence that either Knox or Sollecito were present during the murder or had anything to do with it.


They both confessed they were at least in earshot.
Amanda bears the burden to "tell all" especially now, she has nothing to lose by truth, and a clear conscience to gain.

If she wants to rescue [if you could call it that] her time on the world stage, now is the time to come clean and demonstrate the power of conscience and ethics, even the Power of G-D.
That is what i sincerely hope for her.
When/if she tells ALL the truth, it will ring clear and loud as genuine.
 
2014-01-31 10:33:51 AM  

JSTACAT: MagicianNamedGob: JSTACAT: j the admissions and evidence would have resulted in a conviction.

Except that there's no good evidence that either Knox or Sollecito were present during the murder or had anything to do with it.

They both confessed they were at least in earshot.
Amanda bears the burden to "tell all" especially now, she has nothing to lose by truth, and a clear conscience to gain.

If she wants to rescue [if you could call it that] her time on the world stage, now is the time to come clean and demonstrate the power of conscience and ethics, even the Power of G-D.
That is what i sincerely hope for her.
When/if she tells ALL the truth, it will ring clear and loud as genuine.


Here's the truth: it's happened numerous times before, but it has been said the Italian investigators tend to get their jobs because of people they know, not because of competence.  When there's something that's a high profile case, all of the fark ups are revealed, so they leak "information" to the press and try to pin guilt on whoever they have in custody.  Usually the judges are friends of the prosecutors and investigators, so the verdict they want is often ready to go, so long as the media plays along.  This international case, though, put too much pressure on the system, and there was serious doubt about Knox having anything to do with Kercher's death.

What we do know, though, is that, historically, this has been the case.

Really, people need to read The Monster of Florence before they make any comments on Knox's guilt.
 
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