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2014-01-30 06:08:38 PM
Guilty!
Not guilty!
Guilty!

/Sorry, Italy. You roose. Fark yourselves, you incompetent freaks.
 
2014-01-30 06:10:33 PM

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


And you obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about.
 
2014-01-30 06:11:10 PM

CleanAndPure: No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.


False. Their stories were mostly consistent, and anyway this isn't evidence of murder.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

False. There is a tiny amount of blood in the sink which could easily be overlooked.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

False. Kercher's blood was not on the knife and subsequent tests confirmed that in both appeals. And there is no evidence that it was cleaned by bleach. Also the witness that said Knox purchased bleach recanted.

Was spotted arguing by people.

So what.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

False. She saw the murder scene when police broke down the door.

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

The police abused her into naming the innocent man by questioning her for hours on end while denying her sleep and food with no attorney present and no translator, and the "lost" the interrogation tapes.
 
2014-01-30 06:11:23 PM

R.A.Danny: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.


Ummmm, an Appeal Court and a Supreme Court reviewing cases isn't double jeopardy, no matter how easy a sound bite that makes.
 
2014-01-30 06:11:46 PM
Italian justice at it's finest. I definitely feel sorry for the Kerchers, but Amanda Knox never should have been prosecuted in the first place.
 
2014-01-30 06:12:16 PM

Gyrfalcon: Didn't the "evidence" in this case come down to "someone said she once heard Knox say something bad about the victim" and also she didn't "act right" after the homicide; so clearly she's a depraved killer?


That, and Satan.

SRSLY.

This was the initial prosecutor on the case, farking nut job. I can't imagine most US courts letting his "Satanic ritual" case proceed.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliano_Mignini

*Offer not valid in Arkansas.
 
2014-01-30 06:12:26 PM

R.A.Danny: Does she still have a passport?

The United States maintains diplomatic relations but, according to the above-mentioned list, does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (except Hong Kong), Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia,[7]Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Vietnam, Yemen, and the countries formerly part of Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia.


The question is not whether they have extradition treaties with the US, but rather if they have extradition treaties with Italy. She can't go anywhere the Italians might call on another country to box her up and ship her to Rome.
 
2014-01-30 06:13:28 PM

Cletus C.: Acquit her, convict her, let her stay here, extradite her. I don't much care. Whatever keeps her whiny face out of the spotlight forever is what I support.

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2014-01-30 06:14:40 PM

wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.


The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.
 
2014-01-30 06:15:08 PM

flondrix: Oldiron_79: Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Are you saying that the US government is willing to use force to protect another government's right to commit double jeopardy against an American citizen?


The question is whether or not the appeals court decision was an "acquittal" within the meaning of the pertinent law. The fancy law talking types say it's not 100% clear, but that the appeals court decision did not constitute an "acquittal" because it wasn't considered a "final decision." The law seems to be against her, but it looks just enough like what we think of as double jeopardy to give a judge or the state department a plausible diplomatically inoffensive excuse to refuse to extradite.
 
2014-01-30 06:16:07 PM

Pimparoo: Seems like most of Europe is desperate not to let a little thing like "the truth" get in the way of a great story.


They do have a history of that . . .
upload.wikimedia.org
...but so do most places in the world.
 
2014-01-30 06:17:07 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What_do_you_want_now: /Evidence was she had a fingerprint on a knife she owned in her apartment
//AFAIK wasn't even the murder weapon.

It was confirmed to not be the murder weapon. The murder weapon has never been found or presented in the case, as I understand it.

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

No, staying the US is her best option, but she can probably never leave. The US is not likely to extradite her simply because she was previously acquitted and to do so would violate our own principles of not allowing double jeopardy. Then you combine that with the extremely weak and mishandled evidence in the case and she's going to be ok staying here.


The us sends drones to execute its own citizens without trial It doesn't give a damn about whatever ideals we claim to believe in
 
2014-01-30 06:17:54 PM
I think it's pretty remarkable how calm and collected the Kerchers have been through all this.

(I remember this thread when the appeal went through, with angry folks outraged when people called her a killer, saying "The court has cleared her! How dare you!".

Are those same people all going to call her a killer now, or have the rules changed?)
 
2014-01-30 06:20:09 PM

LemSkroob: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.


i wonder how they work that into the man they have in prison (the drifter fellow) who admitted to the murder? Knox was arguing with kercher, then some guy dove in through the window and started raping and stabbing kercher and knox just figured she'd go with it (oh and then knox's BF also stabbed kercher a few times, because he didn't want to be the only guy there who hadn't stabbed someone?)
 
2014-01-30 06:25:47 PM

ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente:

Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.

You've got nothing.

On the contrary - I have two things you don't. An independent unbiased mind and the good sense not to argue with someone who doesn't - you.


You're response to this thread and apparent willingness to keep the conversation going seem to indicate that you're wrong on both points.
 
2014-01-30 06:26:33 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What_do_you_want_now: /Evidence was she had a fingerprint on a knife she owned in her apartment
//AFAIK wasn't even the murder weapon.

It was confirmed to not be the murder weapon. The murder weapon has never been found or presented in the case, as I understand it.

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

No, staying the US is her best option, but she can probably never leave. The US is not likely to extradite her simply because she was previously acquitted and to do so would violate our own principles of not allowing double jeopardy. Then you combine that with the extremely weak and mishandled evidence in the case and she's going to be ok staying here.


The US extradited John Demjanjuk  to Germany after he was acquitted in an Israeli court.
 
2014-01-30 06:27:56 PM

CleanAndPure: DarkSoulNoHope: CleanAndPure: She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

If it wasn't made public, how the fark do you know about it?!

It was part of the evidence presented in court. Part of her original trial. She referenced things that she shouldn't have known if she wasn't there.

Example, where wounds were on body... and facts like nothing was stolen.


So they made it public then?  Which is it, you change your story more than what you claim Knox did.
 
2014-01-30 06:28:38 PM

tlchwi02: LemSkroob: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.

i wonder how they work that into the man they have in prison (the drifter fellow) who admitted to the murder? Knox was arguing with kercher, then some guy dove in through the window and started raping and stabbing kercher and knox just figured she'd go with it (oh and then knox's BF also stabbed kercher a few times, because he didn't want to be the only guy there who hadn't stabbed someone?)


Exactly. Rude Guede's DNA was under Kercher's fingernails, and in her vagina. He had a history of burglary and the house had been broken into. He was caught trying to flee to Germany and was arrested days before the murder with a knife in his possession. Then he confessed to the murder and didn't name either Knox or Sollecito as accomplices. But we are expected to believe that actually all three of them murdered Kercher together, and then Knox and Sollecito cheerfully stuck around while their accomplice fled the country? And why wouldn't Guede name his accomplices if he was going to confess? Or are we supposed to believe that Guede broke into the wrong house and then decided to fark a corpse and scratch himself with her fingernails?
 
2014-01-30 06:28:41 PM

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American woman would never do anything wrong overseas.


FTFY
 
2014-01-30 06:31:06 PM
And the American general public finally gets to understand just a little bit what it's like to be black and poor in the U.S.
 
2014-01-30 06:31:53 PM
So, Hayden is going to get a 2nd movie out of this?

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2014-01-30 06:34:26 PM

MagicianNamedGob: tlchwi02: LemSkroob: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.

i wonder how they work that into the man they have in prison (the drifter fellow) who admitted to the murder? Knox was arguing with kercher, then some guy dove in through the window and started raping and stabbing kercher and knox just figured she'd go with it (oh and then knox's BF also stabbed kercher a few times, because he didn't want to be the only guy there who hadn't stabbed someone?)

Exactly. Rude Guede's DNA was under Kercher's fingernails, and in her vagina. He had a history of burglary and the house had been broken into. He was caught trying to flee to Germany and was arrested days before the murder with a knife in his possession. Then he confessed to the murder and didn't name either Knox or Sollecito as accomplices. But we are expected to believe that actually all three of them murdered Kercher together, and then Knox and Sollecito cheerfully stuck around while their accomplice fled the country? And why wouldn't Guede name his accomplices if he was going to confess? Or are we supposed to believe that Guede broke into the wrong house and then decided to fark a corpse and scratch himself with her fingernails?


Get out of my head!
 
2014-01-30 06:34:39 PM
The old gang bang motive passed the smell test with the new jury, after it didn't, after it did.  These Italians seem really confused.  My uncle just got back from a Switzerland/Italy trip.  He said crossing the border into Italy reminded him of crossing the border into Tijuana.  It's sort of like Western Europe's Mexico these days.
 
2014-01-30 06:34:47 PM
 
2014-01-30 06:35:01 PM

MagicianNamedGob: tlchwi02: LemSkroob: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.

i wonder how they work that into the man they have in prison (the drifter fellow) who admitted to the murder? Knox was arguing with kercher, then some guy dove in through the window and started raping and stabbing kercher and knox just figured she'd go with it (oh and then knox's BF also stabbed kercher a few times, because he didn't want to be the only guy there who hadn't stabbed someone?)

Exactly. Rude Guede's DNA was under Kercher's fingernails, and in her vagina. He had a history of burglary and the house had been broken into. He was caught trying to flee to Germany and was arrested days before the murder with a knife in his possession. Then he confessed to the murder and didn't name either Knox or Sollecito as accomplices. But we are expected to believe that actually all three of them murdered Kercher together, and then Knox and Sollecito cheerfully stuck around while their accomplice fled the country? And why wouldn't Guede name his accomplices if he was going to confess? Or are we supposed to believe that Guede broke into the wrong house and then decided to fark a corpse and scratch himself with her fingernails?


Uh. Excuse me. You seem to be ignoring some highly probative evidence there counselor. For example:

1) She did cartwheels at the police station.

WHAT say you to that, SIR?
 
2014-01-30 06:35:59 PM
I realize she's pretty hot looking but going to these lengths to secure her as their sex slave for life is a bit too obvious.
 
rka
2014-01-30 06:37:46 PM

PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.


Not being a US citizen maybe you don't quite get the mindset here.

The US gives fark-all about honoring extradition treaties with Italy.

There is ZERO chance a US court grants an extradition for a US citizen to face a corrupt Italian kangaroo court (which is basically the entire Italian legal system) for a crime the Italians set her free on once already.

Warlordtrooper: The us sends drones to execute its own citizens without trial It doesn't give a damn about whatever ideals we claim to believe in


It cares even less what other countries believe in. Is there a way to negative care? Can we actually care so little we go below zero? Yes? Then that's what the US feels about Italy in this case.

The US sends drones to kill its own citizen? Well, lets just say I wouldn't want to be an Italian living in the flight path of the US base at Aviano. Whoops! Guess I dropped one there. Soooorrry.
 
2014-01-30 06:39:38 PM

ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.


Fear not Foxy Knoxy, if you get a hankering for some Braciole there will be no need to hop the pond.

/if you catch my drift
 
2014-01-30 06:41:18 PM
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2014-01-30 06:42:15 PM
Pleading ignorance here.  What is the difference between having her sentence vacated and acquitted.  Since it was thrown out by the higher Italian court, would it still be double jeopardy or is it just a retrial and not double jeopardy?
 
2014-01-30 06:42:36 PM

hardinparamedic: TheBigJerk: Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.

50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.

If you want to lose what little faith you can have in the US Justice system, watch West of Memphis, about the prosecution and incarceration of the West Memphis 3.

There are still people locally who argue they are guilty because they worshipped satan, and other nonsense that was quite literally beaten out of a borderline mentally retarded, scared teenager in a 20 hour interrogation.

Their case was literally "They play DooM, listen to devil music, and have long hair." And one of them got the death penalty for it.


Oh when we compare countries we can use examples from 50+ years ago for one and present day for the other and pretend that's legit?  When can we get to Germany?
 
2014-01-30 06:42:49 PM

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


Nah, here's the relevant part from our extradition treaty with Italy:

ARTICLE VI
Non Bis in Idem
(Not Twice in Same, for a translation)
Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested.

So, since they released her, they can't request us to send her to them.  Pretty sure that's a standard clause in all our extradition treaties.  Since double jeopardy is expressly forbidden by the Constitution, having a treaty that allows other governments to subject the citizenry to double jeopardy would probably get thrown out pretty quickly.
 
2014-01-30 06:43:03 PM

rka: PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.

Not being a US citizen maybe you don't quite get the mindset here.

The US gives fark-all about honoring extradition treaties with Italy.

There is ZERO chance a US court grants an extradition for a US citizen to face a corrupt Italian kangaroo court (which is basically the entire Italian legal system) for a crime the Italians set her free on once already.


This is actually call for John Kerry, not the courts.

I very much doubt he'll order her extradition, but that would actually be very unusual in the context of modern extraditions from the US to Italy: the only recent example where an extradition request was declined was when it was about several CIA agents. Usually, it's goes through without ruffling any feathers whatsoever, no matter how you wish to paint the Italian judicial system (which isn't particularly corrupt, no matter what you wish to pretend)
 
2014-01-30 06:43:34 PM

MagicianNamedGob: tlchwi02: LemSkroob: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The prosecution has already changed their theory, again. Now they say it was "an argument" that started everything.

i wonder how they work that into the man they have in prison (the drifter fellow) who admitted to the murder? Knox was arguing with kercher, then some guy dove in through the window and started raping and stabbing kercher and knox just figured she'd go with it (oh and then knox's BF also stabbed kercher a few times, because he didn't want to be the only guy there who hadn't stabbed someone?)

Exactly. Rude Guede's DNA was under Kercher's fingernails, and in her vagina. He had a history of burglary and the house had been broken into. He was caught trying to flee to Germany and was arrested days before the murder with a knife in his possession. Then he confessed to the murder and didn't name either Knox or Sollecito as accomplices. But we are expected to believe that actually all three of them murdered Kercher together, and then Knox and Sollecito cheerfully stuck around while their accomplice fled the country? And why wouldn't Guede name his accomplices if he was going to confess? Or are we supposed to believe that Guede broke into the wrong house and then decided to fark a corpse and scratch himself with her fingernails?


I'm not going to comment on the whole troll vs not a troll controversy upthread, but unless you spent time there, or actively read them online it's hard to fathom how batshiat crazy the European tabloids (UK especially) got with this story..

Regardless of troll v not a troll, rest assured there is a sizable number of the European public who actually believe this shiat.
 
2014-01-30 06:47:06 PM

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.


The fact that the trial occurred in Italy is enough reason for me.
 
2014-01-30 06:48:36 PM

LrdPhoenix: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Nah, here's the relevant part from our extradition treaty with Italy:

ARTICLE VI
Non Bis in Idem (Not Twice in Same, for a translation)
Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested.

So, since they released her, they can't request us to send her to them.  Pretty sure that's a standard clause in all our extradition treaties.  Since double jeopardy is expressly forbidden by the Constitution, having a treaty that allows other governments to subject the citizenry to double jeopardy would probably get thrown out pretty quickly.


This wasn't a second trial or a retrial, it was part of the normal appeals process of the tri-part judicial system in Italy. You may disagree with the system, or the verdict, but this isn't double jeopardy. It's not an unusual situation, and will of course have be anticipated within the extradition treaty. Kerry won't extradite, but it's not because of "double jeopardy", because this isn't.
 
2014-01-30 06:51:50 PM
Keep defending the murderer, Farkers! You all have your law GEDs after all.
 
2014-01-30 06:52:47 PM
It's kind of funny for Anericans to call someone's judicial system corrupt.
 
2014-01-30 06:53:00 PM

MagicianNamedGob: PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.

You're wrong about that. Italy refuses to extradite murderers to the U.S. on  human rights grounds because we have the death penalty. The U.S. will almost certainly refuse to extradite Knox. The consensus opinion is that the U.S. will cite double jeopardy as a "polite" way to say no. But if it wants to make a statement it will refuse on the grounds that the evidence against her was insufficient. E.U. countries and the U.s. refuse extraditions to each other some what regularly.


Well, the extradition treaty with them (Article IX) states that extradition can be refused if the offense is punishable by death in the country requesting extradition and not in the country that extradition is being requested from, so they have that right.  Of course, Article VI, which I posted above, also gives right to refuse in the case of double jeopardy, so we have that right as well.

borg: The US extradited John Demjanjuk to Germany after he was acquitted in an Israeli court.


Those were two separate charges for two separate things (Well, similar, but separate.  Israel thought he a specific nazi guard at a concentration camp who he likely wasn't, Germany thought he was a totally different nazi guard at another concentration camp) made by two separate governments.
 
2014-01-30 06:54:35 PM

doubled99: Keep defending the murderer, Farkers! You all have your law GEDs after all.


I don't see anybody defending Rudy Guede
 
2014-01-30 06:54:58 PM
I just love how everyone is happy to believe the Italian prosecutors are lying scumbags, but the defence team and defendants must be angels telling the complete truth and incapable of lying themselves.

There's a simple solution. Send her to Guantanamo Bay. Still on US territory and facing Italian-style American justice for the next ten years. She must be a threat and need locking up, right?
 
2014-01-30 06:55:34 PM
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Lifetime idea of the victims last moments

She did make maxims top 100 at 92 i think before she was released, if she was ugly would it be as big of a story?
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But like many good things in live you could get herpes
 
2014-01-30 06:56:34 PM

hardinparamedic: it does not work like that. The US will not turn American citizens over to other countries for trial or incarceration unless they are citizens of that country and not American.


If an American murders someone in, say, the UK, manages to get back to the USA before the police discover the murder, and the UK presents solid evidence to the US State department, you're saying the American gets off scott free?
 
Boe
2014-01-30 06:56:48 PM

indylaw: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Maybe the not-guilty opinions have something to do with the almost complete lack of evidence, or the fact that the original trial was laced with theories about satanic/Freemason ritual sex abuse.

Or Americans are just assholes. Let's go with that.


Or the fact that this is the same justice system that convicted and jailed scientists for not predicting earthquakes.
 
2014-01-30 06:58:16 PM

doubled99: Keep defending the murderer, Farkers! You all have your law GEDs after all.



American or Italian GED?
 
2014-01-30 06:59:25 PM

doglover: It's kind of funny for Anericans to call someone's judicial system corrupt.


our courts have done bad things, and yes we've convicted innocent people wrongly, and not convicted people , like Casey Anthony and ok Simpson that we probably should have...

But yes, the Italian court system is a terrible joke, and far worse...
I know this goes against the everything European is better worldview some espouse, but it's still true, make peace with it...
 
2014-01-30 06:59:36 PM

ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente:

Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.

You've got nothing.



On the contrary - I have two things you don't. An independent unbiased mind and the good sense not to argue with someone who doesn't - you.


Pfft.
Clown.

/I know you can defend yourself Maud Dib, but the troll got me! He got me. I'm sorry. It's just he thinks he's the Brain, but he's Pinky. Narf.
 
2014-01-30 07:01:53 PM

LrdPhoenix: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Nah, here's the relevant part from our extradition treaty with Italy:

ARTICLE VI
Non Bis in Idem (Not Twice in Same, for a translation)
Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested. So, since they released her, they can't request us to send her to them.  Pretty sure that's a standard clause in all our extradition treaties.  Since double jeopardy is expressly forbidden by the Constitution, having a treaty that allows other governments to subject the citizenry to double jeopardy would probably get thrown out pretty quickly.


The legal question there is whether the appeals court decision constitutes an "acquittal" within the meaning of the treaty. It's not 100% clear. Italy argues it wasn't because it wasn't considered a "final decision.
 
2014-01-30 07:02:13 PM

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-30 07:02:39 PM

ElPresidente: I just love how everyone is happy to believe the Italian prosecutors are lying scumbags, but the defence team and defendants must be angels telling the complete truth and incapable of lying themselves.

There's a simple solution. Send her to Guantanamo Bay. Still on US territory and facing Italian-style American justice for the next ten years. She must be a threat and need locking up, right?


You sound unbiased.
 
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